I went rogue.
Assin' Around…
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I went rogue.
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XD very hilarious fanarts
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Looks like we have someone else to add to the TOP TIER ART section
great drawings man, really really good
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Thanks.
I's just assin' around to keep the art skills up, and I also do it to get these sick ideas out of my head. These things all come to me as I read this insane comic book.
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It's great to see you back here, Steve. I miss lookin' at your kickass art, I seemed to have misplaced your dA (I think you had one, at least…). You were responsible for this, right?
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THAT'S ONE!
You can find all my…well, actually some tard got mods to withdraw some of my work, but all the available OP fan wanky is at FWANKY HOUSE on dA.
http://fwankyhouse.deviantart.com/
Most is 3 years old, just posted for the hell of it. I started doing new F'wanky F'art recently.
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man i always think of shit to draw and never can. These ideas are genius
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Yeah, you make me ashamed to have abandoned the pencil/pen for digital. I can't draw anything with my actual hand anymore, I have to use the pen tool in photoshop. Your style is really awesome, and makes me wish I didn't abandon traditional means.
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Thanks guys.
I just have moments of Afflatus when I read words. Probably some kind of cognative slippage as well.
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I just hope the staff here don't get in your grill, you're cool to have around.
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Hey! You finally made a topic here. Nice to see you.
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There's always Kaizoku-Fansubs.
I post there and they love me lock-stock-and-barrel. If mods don't like me there they definitely never show it by erasing art. Those guys are very open to my crank outs.
Hey! You finally made a topic here. Nice to see you.
YOU!
I used to post here over a year ago but it got crazy and hostile. My presence divides people into haters and lovers.
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the mods probably wont
though i got an infraction for saying Genkishi was gay in KHR thread…>.>so watch yah back
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OMG! All really good! I love Life Lesson # 27! XD These are all ingenious! I can never think of ideas, all day long thinking….But I have to admit, I don't really understand what's going on in the Chopper pic, its' still funny though.:) Lesson 4 is sooooo disgusting, but its freaking funnyyy! XD
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YOU!
I used to post here over a year ago but it got crazy and hostile. My presence divides people into haters and lovers.
That's a shame, but I guess it could not be helped. Your stuff is a bit more family friendly now.
On a side note, ever since I saw your work and after you gave me that advice on DA, you inspired me to work on my nib lines alot harder…. though it's still a pain to make lines without dragging my hand. I have my entire life to learn though.
Looking forward to more mindfucks and humor.
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whats all this talk about lines?
lessons i should learn?
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On a side note, ever since I saw your work and after you gave me that advice on DA, you inspired me to work on my nib lines alot harder…. though it's still a pain to make lines without dragging my hand.
What nibs are you using now? I am trying to remember the notes on dA, but my memory is like… as big as a shoebox, each memory being one shoe.
Did you try the Japo nibs with good black ink on a 2-ply that is not grainy?
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whats all this talk about lines?
lessons i should learn?
I share my knowledge freely. Seems every few weeks I am detailing stuff for people who want advice.
I use Tachikawa nibs, G, 3, 5 I believe. I use the spoon nib for speedlines. The nikko Maru is great for detail, but is probably the most prone to weather like a typical Hunt nib from America-England.
Use Wins-Newt India Black Waterproof ink. Best! Doesn;t erase at all. The other inks on the market are for suckers aside from super black black from Speedball for lettering. Lettering nibs tend to let all other inks clog or slip, but then again, Speedball makes the nibs and ink so they work together.
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What nibs are you using now? I am trying to remember the notes on dA, but my memory is like… as big as a shoebox, each memory being one shoe.
Did you try the Japo nibs with good black ink on a 2-ply that is not grainy?
It was basically that long convo we had on one of your DA account's front page, not a note.
I use Nikko brand in G-Nib, Maru(have to buy another pack) and several Speedball nibs. As for paper, I'm stuck with Strathmore 300 series Bristol Smooth. My art store did not seem to have the 500 series.
That's it XD
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Good timing. I just opened a year old ass-big pack of Strathmore today to do the Chopper stuff. IT'S WONDERFUL! Inks like a friggin' dream…
Aw, the tag says Strathmore Bristol 345-2
I assume it is 300 series 2 play, thus 300 and 2. 45 is the designation of the pressing technique. I ordered rough, but got kid. Called Cold press and Hot press in the day... hot press=smooth because the heat "melts" the fibers to a plate finish.
Nikko is the same as Tachikawa in most all aspects. I love their Maru to death. Don;t forget to pull toward you and not go sideways.
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i use pencils and perminant markers cause im a broke mofo
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i use pencils and perminant markers cause im a broke mofo
DOH! Markers are so easy, but they just don;t have the lines and textures. When you can get a small $5 bottle of WN ink, a holder, and a pack of Tachikawa G-nibs, 5 or 3, with some Strathmore 300 series 2 ply smooth or rough paper you can try working the lines like I do. My aim is to find out how Oda does it, though the Japanese have a heavy handed inking style most times as they drag the nibs everywhere, not lifting for breaks to allow interpretive light break forms on leading edges to light sources.
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i cant find anywhere that sells that stuff…damn walmart, staples, hobby store. Ima ask my old art teacher if i see her on monday
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The Strathmore and WN ink is everywhere in the USA at MICHAELS (half assed) ART STORE (for old ladies and sappy housewives). I wanted to write them last year and say, "Will you just let me friggin' set up an art department for kids who want to do comic books, dammit?!"
The nibs you must get online, because art stores are limited. You can get all the nibs and holders at AKADOT RETAIL.
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thanks, will do after i try to get this job
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the mods probably wont
though i got an infraction for saying Genkishi was gay in KHR thread…>.>so watch yah back
Har, I got two infractions! I'm the man!
…Wait, that's not a good thing!
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I thought I was the only one that felt that way about Micheals XD The one here in Dade Florida is like a furneral home store.
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I thought I was the only one that felt that way about Micheals XD The one here in Dade Florida is like a furneral home store.
Everytime I went in there with long hair and a trenchcoat you could see the middle aged cashiers put their hand on the emergency cop button. It's all flower and framing detritus, sprinkles and stickers for tiny girls… barf. Now I go in with short hair and a suit and they all swoon, it's ridiculous. When I ask about info on their meager supply of illustration materials they never know anything.
What's insane to me is that there are hordes of kids every year that want to learn to draw comics and no where to get the proper supplies or books. Michaels could clean up and help enlarge the talent base and industry if they just stocked another hundred small items that would take up about 10 feet of isle space.
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P R E A C H
a lot of stores could do that
i hate bein followed in stores, just cause im black and sag my pants. But i dont think its happened in Mitchels, i havent been in one in like a year. I feel dumb going in there.
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I'm curious what your opinion is on digital, Steve. Do you feel it's not a true medium like some artists and that you have to draw in real life for it to be true, or do you feel anyone can be an artist using anything, as long as they're producing art? I'd love to be good with my traditional drawings, ever since pre-school I've showed, in the words of the man, "talent", and won several contests… but as I got older and my mind got more open to just how bad my art looks, I ultimately stopped, often becoming frustrated with trying to improve.
Then I got into drawing on the computer with the mouse and making lines with the pen tool in photoshop, I'm a lot better on it than in real life (tons, actually)... but it takes a real long time compared to an actual pen on paper to draw the picture. All in all, I don't know if I should go back to bettering myself with traditional drawing, or if I should stick with my slow digital method and just hopefully getting better over time and being able to do it faster.
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It all rests on what you hope to accomplish with your art.
Whatever you want to improve at you need to do A LOT, and use progressive knowledge in your efforts. Digital art is one kind of art, but it has limitations. What I did in 7 hours today would take a computer artist several days and it might not even get close in the complexity of textures.
Traditional art materials, if you use them right, were meant to maximize time and benefits for the business and enjoyment of art as a palpable, unique product. Computers have created new tools in about 2 decades while trad tools have honed over thousands of years and are made to work with the human body through trail and effort. Great artists have all made art with trad tools in the past, so nothing is stopping anyone from doing so now except their own will power.
An art teacher of mine said you have 10,000 bad drawings inside you, so when those are done you will begin to achieve excellence in some way. If you need to get there, you need to move faster.
I'm not a fan of computers except for formating and finishing art with color and text or a few small tricks. Even tones look cheap on computer unless the tone artist agonizes, which takes more effort than cutting tone sheets. In final it is about achieving goals, so whatever works. if it's art as a business then if it helps make art that earns money it's good enough. But, if you want enjoyment from art you should use anything you realize makes your efforts rewarding. The permanence of tangible art is pleasing to me because I can carry the unique effort around or give it as a give that isn't just a piece of printer paper.
You can definitely move faster finishing art with nibs and brushes but the learning curve is great. It took me about 2 months hard work with horrid efforts every day to get any handle on inking implements. Then it took years to develop control that I would consider pleasing, and I am stull developing as I do fan art to break down a style of work.
The bigger concern for any artist that settles on tools should be information. There is so much complexity in perspectives, anatomy, details of effects and nature, that you spend your whole life studying form and light. And it takes years to regurgitate the information and use it in your work. Sometimes it doesn't come right away but settles somewhere in the mind and resurfaces years later when you don't expect it. So gather far more information than you need, and always keep working at building skills by doing. People aren't born artists, they are made artist by their efforts in art and observation, among other things. The tools just help bring that out for the artist's purpose.
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If you are curious how I did the art, I did 7 drawings in 7 hours, but almost half that time was used sleeping, doing stuff around the house, talking on the phone, scanning, etc. I did each drawing from start to end in half an hour if the breaks were eliminated.The first step was one rough done on printer paper. That was then a template for all others. Using a lightbox I cleaned up the first drawing's rough. That cleaned drawing was then lightboxed to create the second, then lightboxed the second to clean up, and so forth. Then I lightboxed each drawing tighter on 2-ply. Then I inked in stages, using two nibs for the drawings, and then a brush and large rapidograph to fill in black. Erased. Scanned. Arranged.
30 minutes is rather fast for finished, inked art like that, but there is no real perspective or complicated detail.
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these are great!
profanity + one piece is always awesome.
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Wow, you seem like a good person for advice. What do you use to shade in black areas?( already asked e1n) I'm such a noob, I don't even know where to start, and I'm broke 90% of the time to boot.
To enter this conversation, I have to say that my Michaels just sucks.PERIOD. Every time I go for that WN ink, they always have the same 2 colors, for like 3-4 months in a row, always saying, "Oh, we'll restock soon, honey." And they never EVER know what the heck youre talking about when you use any "artist" terms, when I say "Nib" they ask, "sketching pencil?"( I know tihs is an exaggeration), but they should know when you ask for something specific, you dont want to be shown anything less or anything more. Plus everything there is just tooo…..expensive. You guys buying all this stuff must be rich. But back to the point, Michaels sucks.
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He said he uses brushes for dark areas(e1n does too).
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WOw pros among themself. I still use a pencil, a fineliner and some black blue and grey wooden pencils for drawing (maybe that's why I suck :D).
But just to state the obvious. steve you are REALY good (and a bit disturbing). Looking forward to more (or sometimes some advise maybe. I know virtually NOTHING about drawing equipment).
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I use wood pencils–Tombow. They are about $1 a piece, but are the best pencils in the world.
Mechanicals work, but I never liked the feel of them or the line I get. With wood pencils of various softness (6B-3H) you can virtually INK without ink. However, wood pencils cost more, and you have to get sharpening to a routine with an electric sharpener mounted on the table above the drawing hand. That way you just do a quick movement to sharpen and you are back at the art.
Wow, you seem like a good person for advice. What do you use to shade in black areas?
If I was just doing some junk art I would encircle the black areas and fill in computer. As it is I ink the art and then take a very cheap COSMO #4 Sable I got from Michaels for $6 or so and fill in most of the black areas, then go around edges completing those areas with a rapidograph.
Art supplies are expensive generally. If you are serious about it as a hobby I suggest finding and spending $1500+ on stuff, and you'll have most of that for a lifetime:
Alvin Ensign table - $650
Good chair that is comfortable - $200
Templates, different sized rulers - $300
Eraser (electric and regular), electric sharpener, dust brush, shelves, paper, tape dispensers, tape, scissors, exactos - $200
Nibs, a couple real brushes, inks, holders - $200
2 clamp lamps, plexiglass for table top, light box light and hanging supplies - $200
Various bits - $300You might spend $2000 to have a very good set up, but once you do you have most of it for a lifetime if you are prudent in use. You will need more pencils, ink, nibs, paper, but the rest should last. It all helps you get going and work better by giving you posture, duration, and tools for the final finish you desire.
How much do you spend on a computer that lasts 2 years, maybe 5 years? I purchased my table 12 years ago, and it'll last another 20. The chair is that old too and just needs reupholstering every so often. Templates, rulers, etc. all last if taken good care of.
I made a list of books for someone a few months back. If you want an excellent library without buying trash books I can post it here if I find it again. There really are only about $500 worth of books to buy. The rest are pretty much trash. Those books are for life drawing, human figure, comic book work, inking, animation. After that you just need reference books of real life stuff and people's artwork.
Anyway, if you really want to make a serious hobby of art, or even try for a career through hobby, spend the cash and get the set up. After that you only have to concentrate on your own efforts to work at it as much as possible every day. Art is a coordination sport–you need to exercise it, build the skill, and keep it in use. If you are drawing 30 minutes a day you will have to expect to slowly develop and maybe mature by age 60. If you draw 2 hours a day you might be able to get really good by age 40. If you draw 10 hours a day and are 16 or 18 you could become incredible by 23 or 25, maybe sooner. The mind is better for art learning around 16-23, after that you can still learn quite well, with maturity tending to come around age 26, and 35/40, in most artists I have know and seem. Something in the mind comes together at those ages, maybe some level of development after doing the art for so long.
I found the book list....
Blair, Preston. Cartoon Animation. Laguna Beach: Walt Foster Publishing, 1994.
Block, Bruce. The Visual Story. Boston: Focal Press, 2001.
Bridgman, George. Bridgman’s Complete Guide To Drawing From Life. New York: Wing Books. 1992.
Canemaker, John. Paper Dreams: The Art & Artists Of Disney Storyboards. New York: Hyperion, 1999.
Eisner, Will. Comics And Sequential Art. New York: W.W. Norton, 2008.
Hamm, Jack. Cartooning The Head & Figure. New York: Grosset and Dunlap, 1967.
Hamm, Jack. How To Draw Animals. New York: Perigee, 1969.
Hogarth, Burne. Drawing Dynamic Hands. New York: Watson-Guptill, 1977.
Hogarth, Burne. Drawing The Human Head. New York: Watson-Guptill, 1965.
Hogarth, Burne. Dynamic Anatomy. New York: Watson-Guptill, 1958.
Hogarth, Burne. Dynamic Figure Drawing. New York: Watson-Guptill, 1970.
Hogarth, Burne. Dynamic Light And Shade. New York: Watson-Guptill, 1981.
Hogarth, Burne. Dynamic Wrinkles And Drapery. New York: Watson-Guptill, 1992.
Fabri, Ralph. Artist’s Guide To Composition. New York: Watson-Guptill, 1970.
Katz, Steven D. Film Directing Shot By Shot: Visualizing From Concept To Screen. Studio City: Michael Wiese
Productions, 1991.
Katz, Steven D. Film Directing Cinematic Motion: A Workshop For Staging Scenes. Studio City: Michael Wiese
Productions, 1992.
Lee, Stan & John Buscema. How To Draw Comics The Marvel Way. New York: Fireside Press/Simon and
Schuster, 1984.
Loomis, Andrew. Figure Drawing For All It’s Worth. New York: Viking Press, 1943.
Mascelli, Joseph V. The Five C’s Of Cinematography. Beverly Hills: Silman-James Press, 1965.
McKee, Robert. Story. New York: Harper-Collins, 1997.
Thomas, Frank and Ollie Johnston. The Illusion Of Life: Disney Animation. New York: Hyperion, 1981.
Vogler, Christopher. The Writer’s Journey. Studio City: Michael Wiese Productions, 1998.
Watson, Ernest. Composition In Landscape And Still Life. New York: Dover Publications, 2007.
Watson, Ernest W. Creative Perspective For Artists And Illustrators. New York: Dover Publications, 1992.
Whitaker, Harold and John Palas. Timing For Animation. Boston: Focal Press, 2002.
Williams, Richard. The Animator’s Survival Kit. London: Faber and Faber LTD., 2001.These include writing books, timing for animation, and so forth. I also recommend the INK & TONES book by How to draw MANGA, as well as their perspective books. If you want one book on inking, get the Klaus Janson book from DC Comics--brilliant. However, the MANGA book is great for inking and tones, and I recommend both.
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Wow, thanks for the info. I will try to get on to that ASAP, as soon as I get some money…
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When I was in art school everything seemed endlessly expensive because I had so little cash. But, I should have spent all my money on excellent art supplies instead of dumb crap like movies, comics, restaurants, etc.
The one thing I think i didn't mention is - AN AWESOME COPIER.
For most of you I bet a simple 8x11" thing is perfect. Get something that goes in 1 percent increments, or forget it. You can enlarge things you like, piece them with stuff you don't, and create an excellent under drawing to lightbox.
I'm still without my dream copier and relying on crap copiers. If I could get one copier I would get a Canon Imagerunner that does up to 11x17". They cost $1700 though, and I can never yet justify the expense.
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Speaking of books, I found some of those on your list
These are out of print are they are free and legal. All Andrew Loomis books.
http://www.placidchaos.com/AM/index.php?title=andrew_loomis&more=1&c=1&tb=1&I dunno if this one is legal, but this site supports piracy anyways. If it's a problem, I would take it down (warn me mods).
Drawing Dynamic Hands:
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thanks Hiroy!
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But, I should have spent all my money on excellent art supplies instead of dumb crap like movies, comics, restaurants, etc.
Sure that's a smart thing tos ay in a manga forum?
But seriously. thanks for the advise. I don't wanna realy spend TO much. It's just a hobby not a life fulfilling passion on my watch. Is there anything you could suggest a stingy non beliver like me regarding drawing material?
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Regarding which kinds of drawing materials? I talked bout papers and nibs/inks above. And pencils.
Speaking of books, I found some of those on your list
These are out of print are they are free and legal. All Andrew Loomis books.
http://www.placidchaos.com/AM/index.php?title=andrew_loomis&more=1&c=1&tb=1&I dunno if this one is legal, but this site supports piracy anyways. If it's a problem, I would take it down (warn me mods).
Drawing Dynamic Hands:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/961563/Drawing-Dynamic-HandsGET THEM! Download them! Someone had those books up a few years ago and were legally told to remove them. So get them incase they get repealed again. My dad had a 1957 copy of FIGURE DRAWING so I was set, and that is his best all around book. They are all magnificent books!
The Hogarth book is illegally up because it is still in print. Loomis for some reason got stymied from reprinting, which is an F'N shame for the art world. Hogarth has an odd style but the information is universal and his books are some of the few priceless drawing books available today. If you learn Hogarths info and translate it to whatever you do, you have it made. He was a legend in his time, doing Tarzan and Olympics drawings.
The books I listed about writing and cinematic stuff might not be stuff you want to know unless going into animation or you want to write and direct films.
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Yeah, I'm currently getting All Hogarth books. After learning some things from Dynamic hands, I had to get the rest. It's pretty intense. It's a shame I'm downloading them, but that would get rid of the troubles of library deadlines.
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I batted out this quickie, but it really needs yesterday's Chopper piece to be completed first.
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Cute. Robin and Franky really has that patently love vibe.