Chapter 435 " I Can Guess How You're Feeling" Discussion
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@HTC:
Eventually is the operative word. There's no doubt in my mind that BB is very close to Yonko level, but i think he's not there, yet.
I don´t want to argue here because on that field your guess is as good as mine at the moment.
I quite agree, with the exception of the bolded part. Though i agree that he may try and claim WB's position, i believe he won't do so just yet: i think he means to take on "heavier and heavier" opponents first (and becoming a shichibukai in the process), and then "move" for bigger prizes. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd turn on the shichibukai too, after becoming one himself.
That´s what I meant. Blackbeard aims for the very top (his own words from Jaya) and he doesn´t act foolishly. If you aim for the top you should be capable to do more then becoming Shichibukai. But if it serves his plans then Blackbeard will have no problems pretending to be on Shichibukai level. He already pretended to be on the level of a regular Whitebeard pirate while he back then was far superior already.
If WB is the strongest man in the world, he should be stronger then the other 3 of the Yonko, no? I would say BB would go after one of those 3 before going after WB, no?
That´s exactly what I´m trying to say actually. If Teach is about to be a threat to Whitebeard who´s the strongest man in One Piece then Teach then he´s an even bigger threat to the other three. Which then means he would be on Yonko level. Remember a chain is always a strong as it´s weakest link. ;)
@ WHITEBEARD:
The Yonko are said to be on the same level as Whitebeard who is said to be the worlds strongest man. The Shichibukai are said to be super strong pirates but not amongst the strongest men of the world. Therefore = Yonko > Shichibukai.
If that was a little bit short you can also read the following reasons why I think that makes sense. I´m putting it in a spoiler tag because it is a bit long. :happy:
! The reason why I take the Yonko to be stronger as the Shichibukai and the Marine HQ is because so far the Yonko have been established to be Pirates that clearly are enemies to each other.
! Shanks himself said that Whitebeards ship is an enemy ship. Furthermore the Gorosei are very concerned between those two making contact. Is it because they fear a war between them? Possible but unlikely since them being enemies means that you oppose each other. So it´s not like it´s some sort of revolutional new development to the Gorosei.
! The other guess is that they fear contact between the two of them because they are affraid that they might work together. If Newgate and Shanks unite, they might be too powerful for the WG to handle.
! The Marine HQ is a military branch that holds together as one big oranisation. The Shichibukai, though still self-centered pirates at least don´t seem to be enemies to each other. They are still part of a group that has special privileges granted by the WG.
! The Yonko however (as far as they´ve been discribed so far) don´t seem to be one group in the same context as the Marine HQ or the Shichibukai. It´s easy for the WG to name them as Yonko because their power and acts seem to be on one level but they don´t strike as people that have agreed to be part of a group that is named Yonko. Remember Garp saying, "we call them the Yonko"? He didn´t say "they are the Yonko". For a pirate to be considered Shichibukai you have to get special privileges by the WG. For a Yonko I don´t think this is necessary. They just do what they do and are being labeled as something that probably doesn´t even matter to them.
! To get to the point. The term Yonko might summarize Newgate, Shanks and the other two but it´s not like they are working together because of that. I take the Yonko to be rivaling themselves ("enemy ship") and that in that condition they are still on equal level to the Marine HQ and the Shichibukai. Or to spin the web further. I think that one Emperor by himself (including his crew of course) is equal to the Marine HQ or the Shichibukai.
! If all 4 of them would work together, the Marine HQ AND the Shichibukai together probably could not stop them. The Gorosei are already scared to death that just two of them work together. Imagine their fear if all 4 of them unite.
! Therefore I assume that the Marine HQ and the Shichibukai just can counter the power of one Emperor (crew as always included). Which then again means Yonko > Shichibukai. -
I loved this chapter, actually I did a top 10 or was it 12 comments on it in Mangahelpers. I just can't help but laugh at Sanji's bounty. The look on it IS PRICELESS!
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At least there's still Naruto…
that's Blasphemy!
anyway, hopefully next week we will get to see the new mugiwara's ship…. can't wait to see the head of the ship...... will it be just the same as the going merry? or a different one?
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Battle Franky:
But, is that The quiz or just a page saying we will have one next week?
'Cause, if that is the quiz, doesn't that mean that someone got the chapter already? (it has happened before that we got the chap a week before, hasn't it?) -
Oh, well that definitely would be a new concept then. I don´t know if that would be proper Strawhat behaviour though. Do you mean that they should kidnap their next crewmate against his will. Or should they just kidnap somebody temporarily to protect him/her for as long the arc takes to finish?
In this special case, they'd be one in the same. They'd be protecting Franky but he'd eventually accept that he can't go back and that he's doing the best thing by being with the Mugiwara.
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actually, in a real world sense, being a mugiwara isn't the best solution… the best solution is to hide away just like Robin did..... or something like that......
being with the mugiwaras is more dangerous than running away and hiding.
because with Luffy having a 300mil berri bounty........ you did think they will always be chase down by marines, shichibukais and bounty hunters alike....
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But they're strong so it would be a wise choice.
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actually, in a real world sense, being a mugiwara isn't the best solution… the best solution is to hide away just like Robin did..... or something like that......
being with the mugiwaras is more dangerous than running away and hiding.
because with Luffy having a 300mil berri bounty........ you did think they will always be chase down by marines, shichibukais and bounty hunters alike....
they can protect him. if they can't protect him or retrieve him then the franky family definitely can't and if they heard about franky being captured the first thing they'd do is attempt to retrieve him thus just endangering themselves.
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they can protect him. if they can't protect him or retrieve him then the franky family definitely can't and if they heard about franky being captured the first thing they'd do is attempt to retrieve him thus just endangering themselves.
I agree though….. that's why the Franky Family is begging Luffy to bring Franky along in his journey..... :)
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I take it there's no new chapter this week? There's no sense in starting a new thread over such a question, so I decided to ask it here.
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Considering that Blackbeard is up for a Shichibukai position soon, and that Mihawk is at least equal to Shanks, that's two possible Shichibukai that rival members of the emperor's in power, at a mimimum. It's very possible that there are other Shichibukai on this upper tier as well.
It's stupid to try to assign a set power level to a group like this. The Shichibukai are basically extremely high level pirates that have signed contracts with the marines to pirate only outlying islands and hunt other pirates, and in return, receive amnesty, but it makes no judgement whatsoever on thier individual power aside from extremely high.
The Admirals, the Emperors, and the Shichibukai are probably all on average at the same level. The Shichibukai have the most members of these three subsets, so their lower end is going to be lower, but at least thier top 3-4 members are most likely right there with the Emperors in power, with the other half being that next tier down.
If anything, the Shichibukai strike me as pirates that all had the potential to be Emperor's on the grandline, but for whatever reason they lacked some important quality (like charisma, drive, interest, etc.) that would have allowed them to gather the power and influence like Whitebeard and Shanks and truly stand up alone to the WG.
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If anything, the Shichibukai strike me as pirates that all had the potential to be Emperor's on the grandline, but for whatever reason they lacked some important quality (like charisma, drive, interest, etc.) that would have allowed them to gather the power and influence like Whitebeard and Shanks and truly stand up alone to the WG.
the only reason I could think of for a pirate to work for the marines is that they might be using the Shichibukai title as a guise to their own agenda…. just like what Crocodile did in Alabasta.......
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that's Blasphemy!
anyway, hopefully next week we will get to see the new mugiwara's ship…. can't wait to see the head of the ship...... will it be just the same as the going merry? or a different one?
hmm, the ship will have a galionfigur looking like jenna jameson,
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the only reason I could think of for a pirate to work for the marines is that they might be using the Shichibukai title as a guise to their own agenda…. just like what Crocodile did in Alabasta.......
Well yeah, undoubtedly. But it depends on the agenda, they aren't all going to be super evil schemes and agendas.
Like Mihawk's I honestly think is as simple as "I'm bored. All I care about is swordsmanship. Everyone else just leave me alone and let me do what I want to do when I want to do it." And here's a man that has the power to be one of the Emperor's, but most likely he just totally lacks any drive and interest in living that kind of life.
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I agree…... not all has agendas.... but judging from the way Don talks about the a new pirate age..... he seems to have something planned....
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Ugh, I just woke up from a messed up dream. I dreamt that Shanks' dad was Roger's brother and was the one that injured Whitebeard. That's why when Shanks met with Whitebeard he said, "Looking at your face makes this wound from that bastard ache,", and why Shanks had a curative for it.
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@ WHITEBEARD:
The Yonko are said to be on the same level as Whitebeard who is said to be the worlds strongest man. The Shichibukai are said to be super strong pirates but not amongst the strongest men of the world. Therefore = Yonko > Shichibukai.
If that was a little bit short you can also read the following reasons why I think that makes sense. I´m putting it in a spoiler tag because it is a bit long. :happy:
Yea well I know that but shanks is going toe to toe with whitebeard, hawkeyes is stronger then shanks so what does that tell you.
and the way I understand it is that there on whitebeards level cuz of their strong pirate crews. not cuz they can macth whitebeard in one on one combat. (shanks is able to but the other 2 I dont think so) -
Yea well I know that but shanks is going toe to toe with whitebeard, hawkeyes is stronger then shanks so what does that tell you.
and the way I understand it is that there on whitebeards level cuz of their strong pirate crews. not cuz they can macth whitebeard in one on one combat. (shanks is able to but the other 2 I dont think so)We don't know that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks. All we know is they used to duel. That doesn't mean Mihawk won. They probably came out in draws, if they were fighting seriously at all.
Or Shanks may have even beaten him, but that doesn't make him a better swordsman. Shanks isn't gonna announce to the world that he beat Mihawk, because he couldn't care less.
We also don't know anything about the other Emperors, so you're making a big assumption on that. Crescent-Moon Gary kind of looks like Roger's son, as well…
As for Shanks going equal with Whitebeard, Whitebeard is old, he's injured, he's got more medical equipment than a terminal cancer patient, and he's a 20 foot tall guy fighting a 6 foot tall one. The 6 foot tall one would have the advantage if he's strong enough. I mean, look how easily Luffy knocked out Dorry.
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Yea well I know that but shanks is going toe to toe with whitebeard, hawkeyes is stronger then shanks so what does that tell you.
and the way I understand it is that there on whitebeards level cuz of their strong pirate crews. not cuz they can macth whitebeard in one on one combat. (shanks is able to but the other 2 I dont think so)There is nothing proof that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks.
In my finnish translation (that has been translated by professionals )
Shanks ask Mihawk that if he want a rematch.
And Mihawk answers that he don't wan't anymore conclusion because Shanks only got a one arm.So basically:
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@Fire Fist:
We don't know that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks. All we know is they used to duel. That doesn't mean Mihawk won. They probably came out in draws, if they were fighting seriously at all.
Or Shanks may have even beaten him, but that doesn't make him a better swordsman. Shanks isn't gonna announce to the world that he beat Mihawk, because he couldn't care less.
We also don't know anything about the other Emperors, so you're making a big assumption on that. Crescent-Moon Gary kind of looks like Roger's son, as well…
As for Shanks going equal with Whitebeard, Whitebeard is old, he's injured, he's got more medical equipment than a terminal cancer patient, and he's a 20 foot tall guy fighting a 6 foot tall one. The 6 foot tall one would have the advantage if he's strong enough. I mean, look how easily Luffy knocked out Dorry.
Shanks duel him when he had his arm now he dosent have his arm i think it was his good arm he lost so what does that tell you. and sanks is a swordsman mihawk is the strongest swordsman, so its only fiting that he be stronger then shanks the swordsman.
shanks with no handicap cant beat mihawk .what makes you think shanks with a handicap can.
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Shanks duel him when he had his arm now he dosent have his arm i think it was his good arm he lost so what does that tell you. and sanks is a swordsman mihawk is the strongest swordsman, so its only fiting that he be stronger then shanks the swordsman.
Uh, that tells me nothing. Are you on crack? Shanks knocks people down when he walks by. Mihawk doesn't do that. He intimidates people, but it's not the same thing.
Losing an arm means nothing. He already fought with one hand, he's had 8 years, and right now, he's fighting so intensely with Whitebeard the sky is splitting. If he can fight that well with his right hand, then he was obviously ambidextrous from the start.
"World's Strongest Swordsman" is a title. I can acknowledge someone as the "World's strongest man", but that doesn't make it true. A bunch of people can do the same thing, which is the case here. But there are always people that are stronger or better swordsmen out there, they just don't want the publicity, or simply don't give a rat's ass.
Finally, Shanks uses more than his sword to fight. He even said:
Shanks: Pardon.
I had to use a bit of intimidation… this being an enemy ship and all.When he used his "ambition", he said that. Apparently it's a combat tactic. So his sword is not the only thing he uses.
Also, I want you to point out exactly where it said Mihawk was not beaten by Shanks. Anywhere. Before or after his arm was lost.
Can't do it. Cause it was never said. All that was said was they dueled.
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Shanks duel him when he had his arm now he dosent have his arm i think it was his good arm he lost so what does that tell you.
Ahem, where was it ever said that Mihawk is stronger then Shanks? That was never ever said in the manga so it doesn´t count.
And I sure hope you don´t go by the fact that Mihawk is the world strongest swordsman because by that logic he would be even superior to Whitebeard who´s not the world strongest man.
Remember, Mihawk himself said that becoming Pirate King is a task that´s far more difficult to accomplish then suprassing Mihawk. And that´s probably of the likes of Whitebeard, Shanks etc.
And about the strong crews etc. Shouldn´t you actually wait to see those two guys in action before you judge them? Actually in One Piece the pirate crews always work like that, that the captain is the strongest. And they wouldn´t get labeled as emperors if their crews would be that what determines the strenght. It is sooo not One Piece.
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@Fire Fist:
Uh, that tells me nothing. Are you on crack? Shanks knocks people down when he walks by. Mihawk doesn't do that. He intimidates people, but it's not the same thing.
Losing an arm means nothing. He already fought with one hand, he's had 8 years, and right now, he's fighting so intensely with Whitebeard the sky is splitting. If he can fight that well with his right hand, then he was obviously ambidextrous from the start.
"World's Strongest Swordsman" is a title. I can acknowledge someone as the "World's strongest man", but that doesn't make it true. A bunch of people can do the same thing, which is the case here. But there are always people that are stronger or better swordsmen out there, they just don't want the publicity, or simply don't give a rat's ass.
Finally, Shanks uses more than his sword to fight. He even said:
Shanks: Pardon.
I had to use a bit of intimidation… this being an enemy ship and all.When he used his "ambition", he said that. Apparently it's a combat tactic. So his sword is not the only thing he uses.
Also, I want you to point out exactly where it said Mihawk was not beaten by Shanks. Anywhere. Before or after his arm was lost.
Can't do it. Cause it was never said. All that was said was they dueled.
why would Mihawk need to intamidate a bunch of rats like DON,LUFFY,AND,ZORO that pose no threat to him:wassat: . and all the guys that shanks knocked out where no names on whitebeard ship. you wont hear anything about them. just like the contless mass of marines luffy smashed.
and in duels someone loses and someone wins and bet that title was on the line when they dueled.
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why would Mihawk need to intamidate a bunch of rats like DON,LUFFY,AND,ZORO that pose no threat to him:wassat: . and all the guys that shanks knocked out where no names on whitebeard ship. you wont hear anything about them. just like the contless mass of marines luffy smashed.
and in duels someone loses and someone wins and bet that title was on the line when they dueled.
No names? Ah, but, remember Rockstar's conversation with Marco?
Rockstar: I'm a new recruit to the Red-Hair Pirates. But when I was solo… I was pretty famous, I think. Hey, have you heard of the name Rockstar?
Marco: Nope. Never heard of you.
Rockstar's bounty was 98 million. That says a crapload about the fighting ability of Whitebeard's crew.
As for duels, duels can end in a draw. Try dueling someone in a game of chess. sometimes a stalemate happens. That's just the way it works.
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Ahem, where was it ever said that Mihawk is stronger then Shanks? That was never ever said in the manga so it doesn´t count.
And I sure hope you don´t go by the fact that Mihawk is the world strongest swordsman because by that logic he would be even superior to Whitebeard who´s not the world strongest man.
Remember, Mihawk himself said that becoming Pirate King is a task that´s far more difficult to accomplish then suprassing Mihawk. And that´s probably of the likes of Whitebeard, Shanks etc.
Ahem, Mihawk is the "World's Greatest Swordsman" Shanks is a swordsman what does that tell you?:wassat:
Whitebeard is NOT a swordsman he uses a kwan do that is NOT a sword. Whitebeard is the "strongest man in the world" he is ABOVE evry character in One Piece period.
Also becoming Pirate king does not mean you are going to be automatically stronger than Mihawk in strength, it just means that it is a much harder task (adventure).
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Ahem, Mihawk is the "World's Greatest Swordsman" Shanks is a swordsman what does that tell you?:wassat:
Whitebeard is NOT a swordsman he uses a kwan do that is NOT a sword. Whitebeard is the "strongest man in the world" he is ABOVE evry character in One Piece period.
Also becoming Pirate king does not mean you are going to be automatically stronger than Mihawk in strength, it just means that it is a much harder task (adventure).
These are all titles given to people. How long have these titles been in effect? For years. Whitebeard is old and sick now. Mihawk is a lazy bastard and probably hasn't trained in forever. Shanks has obviously trained, because he can use his sword with his right arm now instead of his left, which was his sword arm before the Lord of the Coast ate it.
Titles can be given at a young age. Unless they're called out to be defending, these titles are kept.
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Also becoming Pirate king does not mean you are going to be automatically stronger than Mihawk in strength, it just means that it is a much harder task (adventure).
So what you are saying is that Gold Roger was equally strenght with Mihawk.
You couldn't be more wrong.
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@Fire Fist:
These are all titles given to people. How long have these titles been in effect? For years. Whitebeard is old and sick now. Mihawk is a lazy bastard and probably hasn't trained in forever. Shanks has obviously trained, because he can use his sword with his right arm now instead of his left, which was his sword arm before the Lord of the Coast ate it.
Titles can be given at a young age. Unless they're called out to be defending, these titles are kept.
It's very arrogant to assume that Mihawk has never trained and that Shanks has. The reason he was so "lazy" at Baratie was probably because he didn't need to use much effort.
Meanwhile, Shanks could just be a skilled enough swordsman to at least block with one arm. But of course, we don't know how the battle went after that clash. However, I think he can assume that Mihawk would block it all the same.
Plus, the titles didn't have any date on them–they were in little boxes. It's like the narrator saying that Whitebeard is the "strongest man in the world." You can't argue with the box...it knows everything.
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It's very arrogant to assume that Mihawk has never trained and that Shanks has. The reason he was so "lazy" at Baratie was probably because he didn't need to use much effort.
Meanwhile, Shanks could just be a skilled enough swordsman to at least block with one arm. But of course, we don't know how the battle went after that clash. However, I think he can assume that Mihawk would block it all the same.
Plus, the titles didn't have any date on them–they were in little boxes. It's like the narrator saying that Whitebeard is the "strongest man in the world." You can't argue with the box...it knows everything.
I'm not arguing with the box, I'm saying that we don't know how long those titles have been effect. Whitebeard has obviously been the "Strongest Man in the World" for 22 years, since Roger's death. A shitload happens in 22 years. 22 years ago, I was born. Challenger exploded. There was no internet. Cell phones were brand new and as big as a shampoo bottle. CD's were brand new and limited. We didn't have personal computers, only business ones. There was no internet. Anime was drastically different. Look at Dr. Slump and One Piece. That's what 22 years has brought us.
The One Piece world is no different. In 22 years, there's probably someone stronger than Whitebeard, but they haven't bothered to challenge him yet. And there's probably a better Swordsman than Mihawk. Same circumstances. And I'm not talking about Luffy and Zoro, there could easily be others.
I mean, look at Norland's ability. There have always been strong swordsmen in the One Piece world.
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@Fire Fist:
The One Piece world is no different. In 22 years, there's probably someone stronger than Whitebeard, but they haven't bothered to challenge him yet. And there's probably a better Swordsman than Mihawk. Same circumstances. And I'm not talking about Luffy and Zoro, there could easily be others.
Yeah, things can change, but the arguments that "things have changed since this fact was established" renders all facts useless. I mean, Mihawk could get shot in the leg and ruins Zoro's fight with him. But that would suck wouldn't it?
It's possible that there are stronger people then these guys, but it can't just come out of nowhere. And anyway, my argument is assuming that Shanks "trained" and got stronger then Mihawk over the years.
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@Fire Fist:
No names? Ah, but, remember Rockstar's conversation with Marco?
Rockstar: I'm a new recruit to the Red-Hair Pirates. But when I was solo… I was pretty famous, I think. Hey, have you heard of the name Rockstar?
Marco: Nope. Never heard of you.
Rockstar's bounty was 98 million. That says a crapload about the fighting ability of Whitebeard's crew.
As for duels, duels can end in a draw. Try dueling someone in a game of chess. sometimes a stalemate happens. That's just the way it works.
marco has a name im talking about the guys knocked out on the floor that says alot about whitebeards crew since most of them where out cold.:getlost:
and as for duels this is not chess. darws happen but not all the time when it come down to a fight.
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marco has a name im talking about the guys knocked out on the floor that says alot about whitebeards crew since most of them where out cold.:getlost:
and as for duels this is not chess. darws happen but not all the time when it come down to a fight.
You don't get it…
By Marco saying he had never heard of Rockstar, a person with a 98 million bounty, he's indicating that his subordinates have equal to or higher bounties than that. In other words, his subordinates are on par or stronger than Rockstar. Which means that even though they're nameless, they're heavy-duty fighters.
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@Fire Fist:
You don't get it…
By Marco saying he had never heard of Rockstar, a person with a 98 million bounty, he's indicating that his subordinates have equal to or higher bounties than that. In other words, his subordinates are on par or stronger than Rockstar. Which means that even though they're nameless, they're heavy-duty fighters.
no one was talking about rockstar?:wassat: you dont get it IM tell you that most of marco subordinates were out cold. so what does that tell you about a yonkou crew when it comes down to face a HOLLYWOOD pirate like shanks or mihawk. it means they wont do you any good.
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Ahem, where was it ever said that Mihawk is stronger then Shanks? That was never ever said in the manga so it doesn´t count.
And I sure hope you don´t go by the fact that Mihawk is the world strongest swordsman because by that logic he would be even superior to Whitebeard who´s not the world strongest man.
Remember, Mihawk himself said that becoming Pirate King is a task that´s far more difficult to accomplish then suprassing Mihawk. And that´s probably of the likes of Whitebeard, Shanks etc.
And about the strong crews etc. Shouldn´t you actually wait to see those two guys in action before you judge them? Actually in One Piece the pirate crews always work like that, that the captain is the strongest. And they wouldn´t get labeled as emperors if their crews would be that what determines the strenght. It is sooo not One Piece.
1st off whitebeards not a swordsman.
2nd off becoming pirate king is a harder task meaing adventure instead of just training and fighting the guy who has the title.
3rd of all shanks is a swordsman ,is he the strongest one no is mihawk the strongest one at of them all YES. -
1st off whitebeards not a swordsman.
2nd off becoming pirate king is a harder task meaing adventure instead of just training and fighting the guy who has the title.
3rd of all shanks is a swordsman ,is he the strongest one no is mihawk the strongest on at of them all YES.I don´t understand why it is so hard to understand that Mihawk is just the strongest on one field but he´s not the strongest man in the world. That IS Whitebeard. It is a fact!
Let´s explain it differently. Who´s the strongest swordfighter of the Strawhats? It´s Zoro. Who´s the strongest sniper of the same crew? It´s Usopp. So Luffy is neither the strongest swordsman nor the strongest sniper of the crew. Does that make him a weaker fighter then the two of them? Hell no! Luffy is the strongest man in the crew in terms of fighting.
Note that strong on a certain field does not mean physical strenght. In context with sniping, swordfighting, heck even fighting it actually means best instead of phyiscally strongest.
And now lets get back to the big guys. Mihawk is definitely the best swordfighter in the One Piece world. It is an established fact. But that doesn´t mean that he is the strongest man in One Piece. That is so far Whitebeard. Could Mihawk defeat Shanks in a swordfight? Of course if he really is the best swordsman. Could he do the same to Whitebeard? Of course since Whitebeard isn´t established to be a swordsman himself. The fact is that just because he is better with the sword it doesn´t mean that in an all out fight where anything goes (they are pirates after all. And on top of the the 4 strongest out there) Whitebeard not Shanks couldn´t defeat Mihawk.
I just think that people are putting too much weight on the strongest swordsman thing. So far there´s been three "the worlds strongest" in One Piece.
Mihawk, the worlds strongest swordsman.
Aokiji, the worlds strongest Marine officer.
Whitebeard, the worlds strongest man.And even if you would have ten other guys who are the worlds strongest on their respective fields, like sniping, kickboxing etc. it wouldn´t make them the all out strongest in the world. The sniper would own the swordfighter on long range, the swordfighter would own the sniper on short range. Just imagine you have ten "the worlds strongest (in their fields)" and they go out to determine who´s the best of them. What do you think they are going to be labeled afterwards? If for instance the worlds strongest swordsman takes down the worlds strongest sniper, do you think he´s going to earn the title of the worlds strongest sniper too, even though he didn´t use any fire weapon? Or vice versa, if the sniper snipes the swordsman, do you think he´s going to take the position of the worlds strongest swordsman? Of course not!
What am I trying to say with all that? Quite easy. If there would be a fight between ten worlds strongest guys, then the only title the winner and last man standing could gain is the one of the worlds strongest man, because he can take down all the rest fighting (no matter what weapons the others use). That´s what makes him the worlds strongest.
And Whitebeard definitely has been established as that very person. And Shanks and the other two are on that very same level. Whitebeard may be the best. But being on the same level doesn´t mean to be totally equal.
And Mihawk has not been established as being on the same level as Whitebeard in an all out fight where anything goes. The swordmanship alone does not make you the worlds strongest man!
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I don´t understand why it is so hard to understand that Mihawk is just the strongest on one field but he´s not the strongest man in the world. That IS Whitebeard. It is a fact!
Let´s explain it differently. Who´s the strongest swordfighter of the Strawhats? It´s Zoro. Who´s the strongest sniper of the same crew? It´s Usopp. So Luffy is neither the strongest swordsman nor the strongest sniper of the crew. Does that make him a weaker fighter then the two of them? Hell no! Luffy is the strongest man in the crew in terms of fighting.
Note that strong on a certain field does not mean physical strenght. In context with sniping, swordfighting, heck even fighting it actually means best instead of phyiscally strongest.
And now lets get back to the big guys. Mihawk is definitely the best swordfighter in the One Piece world. It is an established fact. But that doesn´t mean that he is the strongest man in One Piece. That is so far Whitebeard. Could Mihawk defeat Shanks in a swordfight? Of course if he really is the best swordsman. Could he do the same to Whitebeard? Of course since Whitebeard isn´t established to be a swordsman himself. The fact is that just because he is better with the sword it doesn´t mean that in an all out fight where anything goes (they are pirates after all. And on top of the the 4 strongest out there) Whitebeard not Shanks couldn´t defeat Mihawk.
I just think that people are putting too much weight on the strongest swordsman thing. So far there´s been three "the worlds strongest" in One Piece.
Mihawk, the worlds strongest swordsman.
Aokiji, the worlds strongest Marine officer.
Whitebeard, the worlds strongest man.And even if you would have ten other guys who are the worlds strongest on their respective fields, like sniping, kickboxing etc. it wouldn´t make them the all out strongest in the world. The sniper would own the swordfighter on long range, the swordfighter would own the sniper on short range. Just imagine you have ten "the worlds strongest (in their fields)" and they go out to determine who´s the best of them. What do you think they are going to be labeled afterwards? If for instance the worlds strongest swordsman takes down the worlds strongest sniper, do you think he´s going to earn the title of the worlds strongest sniper too, even though he didn´t use any fire weapon? Or vice versa, if the sniper snipes the swordsman, do you think he´s going to take the position of the worlds strongest swordsman? Of course not!
What am I trying to say with all that? Quite easy. If there would be a fight between ten worlds strongest guys, then the only title the winner and last man standing could gain is the one of the worlds strongest man, because he can take down all the rest fighting (no matter what weapons the others use). That´s what makes him the worlds strongest.
And Whitebeard definitely has been established as that very person. And Shanks and the other two are on that very same level. Whitebeard may be the best. But being on the same level doesn´t mean to be totally equal.
And Mihawk has not been established as being on the same level as Whitebeard in an all out fight where anything goes. The swordmanship alone does not make you the worlds strongest man!
NO ONE SAID mihawk can beat whitebeard.:wassat: and the way I understand it is that there on whitebeards level cuz of their strong pirate crews. not cuz they can macth whitebeard in one on one combat. sorry im not in the mood to write an easy im too lazy .
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NO ONE SAID mihawk can beat whitebeard.:wassat: and the way I understand it is that there on whitebeards level cuz of their strong pirate crews. not cuz they can macth whitebeard in one on one combat. sorry im not in the mood to write an easy im too lazy .
But that´s exactly what doesn´t work in One Piece. In One Piece it is always the captain that is the strongest. Furthermore it has been said that Shanks and not his crew is on the level of Whitebeard. Same counts for the other two guys.
True you didn´t say that Mihawk could beat Whitebeard, but the way you said it you made it seem as if he is better then Shanks, which except for just the swordfighting isn´t an established fact in the story and therefore is just fan speculation with no evident back up.
Whitebeard is the strongest. The other three Emepors are on his level. Weaker but same level. Mihawk has never been said to be on that level. If he´s not on Whitebeards level, then he isn´t on Shanks level EVEN if he can beat him with the sword. That´s the whole point.
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so why isnt there a chapter this week?
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But that´s exactly what doesn´t work in One Piece. In One Piece it is always the captain that is the strongest. Furthermore it has been said that Shanks and not his crew is on the level of Whitebeard. Same counts for the other two guys.
True you didn´t say that Mihawk could beat Whitebeard, but the way you said it you made it seem as if he is better then Shanks, which except for just the swordfighting isn´t an established fact in the story and therefore is just fan speculation with no evident back up.
Whitebeard is the strongest. The other three Emepors are on his level. Weaker but same level. Mihawk has never been said to be on that level. If he´s not on Whitebeards level, then he isn´t on Shanks level EVEN if he can beat him with the sword. That´s the whole point.
Shanks main weapon is a sword. if shanks is close to whitebeard level then mihawk is also close to it 2 since he can beat/equal shanks. and the only reason why the yonkou are on whitebeard level is cuz they live like kings in the lower half of the grand line. it was nver stated that they can match whitebeard in 1 on 1 combat. your point holds no water.
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@Fire Fist:
These are all titles given to people. How long have these titles been in effect? For years. Whitebeard is old and sick now. Mihawk is a lazy bastard and probably hasn't trained in forever. Shanks has obviously trained, because he can use his sword with his right arm now instead of his left, which was his sword arm before the Lord of the Coast ate it.
Titles can be given at a young age. Unless they're called out to be defending, these titles are kept.
Obviously these World titles have been in effect for years! Hell, Whitebeard himself talks about the "LEGENDARY duels" between Shanks and Mihawk. "Hawkeye's" is the "World's Greatest Swordsman" Oda said this himself and Mihawk told Zoro he will wait for him "AS THE STRONGEST." So please don't give me that crap that Mihawk doesn't train and Shanks does, that is just your fanboyism speaking.
"Hawkeye's" till this day is "ABOVE ALL THE WORLD'S SWORDSMAN!"
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So what you are saying is that Gold Roger was equally strenght with Mihawk.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Show me where in my post did I say that mihawk was Greater than Gold Roger?
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Oda can do whatever he wants with Mihawk since he has revealed hardly anything about his fights and who he has fought.
All we know is Shanks and Mihawk were rivals until Mihawk rose as the better swordsman. In the last chapter we saw what shanks and whitebeard did, so if Mihawk uses a sword better than shanks who knows what Mihawk could have caused.
Don't forget that Mihawk is zoros goal so Mihawk has to be as powerful as the big boys.
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Whitebeard is the strongest. The other three Emepors are on his level. Weaker but same level. Mihawk has never been said to be on that level. If he´s not on Whitebeards level, then he isn´t on Shanks level EVEN if he can beat him with the sword. That´s the whole point.
But wait….Mihawk and the emperors have never been mentioned together. In fact, during the time that Mihawk was in the stories the emperors have yet to exist.
Besides, if Whitebeard and Shanks and Mihawk got into a couple of duels, doesn't that mean that Mihawk is at "emperor level?" It doesn't sounds like there was a clear loser in them, especially since duels unlike sparing are usually to the death.
Also, you know, the "level" that each shichibukai/admiral/emperor is at probably depends on....the man in that title. Croc was a wimp compared to these men, while Mihawk is ungodly strong.The weakest of these groups probably won't be any one of the three groups, but the people in them.
I.E quit whining about which group in stronger. Since the numbers are uneven yet "equal", odds are the individual strength greatly varies among them. Mihawk is a shining example--if the shichibukai are a "weaker" group, then why is Mihawk so damn strong?
I think the point of all this mystery is that these guys are strong, but we don't know how. All this mystery will make them interesting opponents. However, there's no reason why a shichibukai can't be stronger then an emperor or anything. They're all strong, and we'll see how strong they are later.
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You should all quit trying to predict Oda, next thing you know your wrong in what you said
You guys go using the little information we have combined with your personal thoughts and them we have those Mihawk is as strong as WB or Shanks is weaker them Mihawk now that he lost an arm
And none of those are true or at least totally true, WB is the strongest man alive (it's clearly said) and Shanks well it's unrevealed if his capacity did indeed become affected by losing the right arm
And this week is becoming boring, no One Piece chapter (if it wasn't for Naruto and Gantz it would have been total boredom)
I can only imagine the next chapter and the revelation of the next ship and the answer to FF "Will you take Brother with you Strawhat?"
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If Mihawk was that strong, the Five stars wouldn't worry so much about getting another Shika to balance the power equation.
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If Mihawk was that strong, the Five stars wouldn't worry so much about getting another Shika to balance the power equation.
Your talking about one man, groups are what make the powers balance out as far as equation is concerned.
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well next week i hope we get to see blackbeard and ace fight or whitebeard and shanks fight. and not some lame ship.
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I think the point of all this mystery is that these guys are strong, but we don't know how. All this mystery will make them interesting opponents. However, there's no reason why a shichibukai can't be stronger then an emperor or anything. They're all strong, and we'll see how strong they are later.
Exactly.
We know Mihawk is at least on the same teir as the Emperor's, and if BB becomes a Shichibukai, then there's you a second Shichibukai is that same tier as well.
And the whole point is simply that the Emperor's are not this imaginary super tier that is above the admirals and the Shichibukai. They are all badasses, period. You cannot judge them on title, you have to judge them on an individual basis.
There will most likely be several (the top 3 or 4) of the Shichibukai who are in the same league as the Emperor's, and possibly all of the Admirals are there as well. And that's assuming that the other two Emperor's are on the same level as Shanks, although it would not surprise me to find that they are weaker.
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stop me if its been brought up already but after seeing what happened when franky's ships where mis-used dont you think he'd want to make sure something he's built wont be mis-used again.