Okay so, at this point I am pretty sure that Kitsune is Mafia, keep reading for why that is. I believe that Kitsune's tactic was to claim cop, get a cross claim and try to provoke a townie lynch. Of course that would have been difficult, since Kitsune has been under heat since day 1 really, and a cross claim just means one party's words against another. So, to me their fail safe plan was to kill the investigative role and win the game on day 4. Following that train of thought leads me down a two way street. The question I am trying to answer is, who is Kitsune's partner?
Is it Starla? Well, to be honest that is the obvious choice. Kitsune named them in their report, and in turn Starla has been ridiculously trusting and defensive of them to the point of comical misunderstanding of the situation. Case in point…
@starlalilymoon:
…Then again, maybe Kitsune isn't town and is putting up a good front. Hopefully, when he tells me about the night actions those suspicions can be put to rest.
Starla suspects Kitsune, and wants them to reveal what info they have so that their suspicions can be put to rest… and then...
@Kitsune:
starla: I am not going to reveal what I have at this time, sorry.
@starlalilymoon:
Awww, oki.
That's it? That's the finale of the "people reveal what you know" saga? Oh maybe Starla still suspects him, but accepts that town shouldn't reveal too much.
@starlalilymoon:
So, it's either Shuhan/kmo, Shuhan/Kitsune (Very not likely), Kitsune/kmo?
I'm leaning towards Shuhan/kmo. We really need to figure out who is one of the mafia. I do suspect Shuhan because of his vote yesterday.
To be clear, this was before Kitsune's "reveal". When did I come into the equation?
@starlalilymoon:
Hmmm, this is getting hard. Wish we had more information. Since kmo has spoken it makes it even harder to pin down. Though only one thing is certain Shuhan voting for Kitsune is highly suspicious. Especially because we at MYLO. And since I have the power of the vote being a vanilla townie, I will indeed not make a vote for this day.
Also, still waiting for Kitsune to give his information out. A Kitsune/Shuhan team be interesting but I doubt a mafia would vote for one of their own like that. Maybe it's a Shuhan/Fizzie or Shuhan/kmo? I'm leaning towards more Shuhan and Fizzie being the mafia then Shuhan and kmo. Just a vibe/feeling I guess.
Huschel is low on my list at the moment, along with Kitsune, unless Kitsune does not give the info out that he promised, so that will give me suspicions about him.
As far as I can tell, this is the first time I entered the "prestigious Starla's" suspects list. But, hey what's that?
… unless Kitsune does not give the info out that he promised, so that will give me suspicions about him.
Weird right?
That's just one aspect of it. There is more weirdness going on. Like…
@starlalilymoon:
… It is obvious that I'm town – I hinted at being vanilla on day 0. I didn't want to vote out kev which I regret. Kitsune's report shows I'm innocent. Both you and Kitsune think I'm town. I never once was accused by Shuhan or kmo till today when we running out of townies. I also realized my mistake in revealing I'm vanilla and try to claim the special role to protect the other two. I also think someone claiming a role on Day 3 should be trusted...
This whole para seems off. I mean no one really suspected Starla by this point. The closest we have are two posts:
@Shuhan:
… my picks are either Kitsune/Huschel, or my currently growing suspicion Kitsune/Starlalilymoon.
@kmohyudin:
Now, the question is, who is your partner? Starla I think because of the various missteps and you claiming their innocence, but boy did you mess up.
Both framed as more of a possibility than a suspicion. You are free to make your own conclusion, but this seems a waaaaaaaay overblown defensive response than is necessitated. I mean I can see agreeing with someone and giving out arguments as to why that's the case but as someone wise once said…
@starlalilymoon:
Especially since I think voting for someone when we were not 100% sure makes it seem you wanted someone dead to win.
That's just the tip of the iceberg and more of some subtle things I noticed. Of course there is more obvious stuff if you reread, but, its exhausting to compile it, and I think everyone knows what I am talking about.
But, that's a little too obvious. So, let's take a different perspective.
I think we can safely assume that at this point these pair of Mafia are unlikely at best.
1. Me - Starla (Starla would have hammered)
2. Me - Huschel (Huschel would have hammered)
3. Me - Kitsune (yeah, I probably wouldn't have called him on his bullshit)
4. Shuhan - Kitsune (Shuhan has been going after Kitsune since Day 1 I think, and today with another town vote we would have gotten his buddy)
5. Shuhan - Starla (Starla would have hammered)
6. Shuhan - Huschel (Huschel would have hammered)
7. Huschel - Starla (Either could have hammered)
So, the only possible pairs that remain are…
1. Kitsune - Starla
2. Kitsune - Huschel
3. Me - Shuhan
BTW, I know from my POV that it's not me, so to me (and Shuhan), Kitsune is MATHEMATICALLY and LOGICALLY 100% mafia. I have talked about Kitsune - Starla, but what about Huschel?
Well... let's take a looksie:
1. Initially went with Kitsune's role claim (#155, I am tired of quoting, OKAY!?)
2. Had an argument with Kitsune on day 2
3. Started the wagon on Kevo out of seemingly the blue (which I like to imagine is the color of his eyes)
4. Has been subtly role fishing (I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt regarding our situation. I know he is smart enough to note it)
5. Being a passive leader, which is more of a mafia play
He is harder to pin down, but that is exactly the type of play I would imagine coming from the partner of a maverick role claimer. Thing is, I can't see a Kitsune - Starla partnership in light of the "go all in to get the last power role" tactic that I think is being carried forward here. Either it's a Huschel - Kitsune instead, or Starla is seriously messing up. That's why we need the investigative role, otherwise tomorrow, it will be a coin toss (in my eyes, which also happen to be blue, FYI).
Does this make sense? NEITHER of Huschel or Starla are confirmed mafia to me.
On that note, about a possible me and Shuhan mafia duo, well I don't like to go too defensive, but:
1. Shuhan was "cleared" by Kitsune. Yeah, he could be a "Godfather" in this bizarro land, but then again, imagine the series of fortunate events that would need to make this happen:
- Mafia need to pick Godfather
- We need have a Cop role randomly assigned to us (FYI, about a 25% chance now that one of the roles is confirmed roleblocker)
- Shuhan needed to be the mafia who was the Godfather, and not me
- Cop needed to have targeted a Godfather (I was the #1 suspect on Kitsune's list two days standing, if Shuhan was the Godfather, he would have acted like the more obvious choice)
2. Me and Shuhan were on the opposite side of selection of roles on Day 0 (he was pushing for a cop, I wanted to go random). Which by the way, if we were in fact mafia, almost EVERYONE would have been willing to pick a cop, had I NOT suggested going random. We needed five votes, we had three (Huschel, Fizzie, and Starla; me and Shuhan could have forced the role)
I can keep on going, but seriously, that's not what today should be about. Today is about Kitsune, so, Starla or Huschel, whichever one of you is town, please tell me what is still keeping you from voting? I would like to discuss that…
Also, excuse the wall of text. Too much to unpack :(
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@starlalilymoon:
Then they should come forth with a solid counterclaim that debunks Kitsune, but since that never happened; I feel like Kitsune is telling the truth.
I have explained why that's a terrible idea many times now. Would you mind pointing me to the part where my explanation doesn't make sense so I can give a more suitable response? Otherwise, you are kinda forcing me to go in circles here…
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Wow, wall of text might have been understating this... sorry guys...