Dwarf, fairy, giant, ogre, just to name a few… Pretty much any intelligent humanoid creature.
The same thing can be said about monkeys. And we have giants already. And an ogre hardly would give anyone enlightment.
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The same thing can be said about monkeys. And we have giants already. And an ogre hardly would give anyone enlightment.
I didn't say it needs to give enlightment, I just mentioned possibilities for Hito Hito no Mi models. Also, it doesn't matter if we have giants, we also have humans. There are dogs in nature and Inu Inu no Mi as well.
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Can you think of any other kind?
Well, there could be a variety of other mythical models - that there is a Daibutsu implies there could be other models for religious figures, but there could also be figures for ones from popular culture (the hito hito no mi, model: hero) or folklore concepts (model: vampire, or model: yeti).
There could also be an ancient zoan version, like the neanderthal.
There could also be versions for some (or even all) of the other humanoid races in One Piece.
And really, whatever random models Oda comes up with and wants to include.
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Well, there could be a variety of other mythical models - that there is a Daibutsu implies there could be other models for religious figures, but there could also be figures for ones from popular culture (the hito hito no mi, model: hero) or folklore concepts (model: vampire, or model: yeti).
There could also be an ancient zoan version, like the neanderthal.
There could also be versions for some (or even all) of the other humanoid races in One Piece.
And really, whatever random models Oda comes up with and wants to include.
Yeah I wouldn't dream of saying that Oda couldn't make a new hito hito model just because of his creativity alone.
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I didn't say it needs to give enlightment, I just mentioned possibilities for Hito Hito no Mi models. Also, it doesn't matter if we have giants, we also have humans. There are dogs in nature and Inu Inu no Mi as well.
But giants, ogres, fairies and dwarfs cannot be considered humans because they aren't humans by the very definition of human.
@Whackadoodle:Well, there could be a variety of other mythical models - that there is a Daibutsu implies there could be other models for religious figures, but there could also be figures for ones from popular culture (the hito hito no mi, model: hero) or folklore concepts (model: vampire, or model: yeti).
There are already a Vampire DF. Not-Canon, but it does, so it will probably don't appear in the main story as a Human DF.
There could also be versions for some (or even all) of the other humanoid races in One Piece.
This would remove their uniqueness that Oda loved to develop for they.
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Vegapunk is probably just someone who can read poneglyphs, and all the technology he "invented" is long lost technology from the ancient Kingdom. Vegapunk is just a fraud.
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But giants, ogres, fairies and dwarfs cannot be considered humans because they aren't humans by the very definition of human.
And Daibutsu is a statue. The point is Oda can go with it in any way he wants, and if he decides that a giant, for example, is good enough to be considered a model of a human, then he'll do it. And it's not hard to see why, considering giants are literally modeled after humans.
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And Daibutsu is a statue. The point is Oda can go with it in any way he wants, and if he decides that a giant, for example, is good enough to be considered a model of a human, then he'll do it. And it's not hard to see why, considering giants are literally modeled after humans.
And my point is that creating a DF that allows someone to turn into one of the major races would be a waste considering they are there. We already have Hajrudin in the SH Fleet and will certainly overshadow anyone who could have eaten this hypotethical fruit, not to mention Dory and Broggy already. Same thing to Leo.
And besides, Oda states in the SBS that he just gave the Hito Hito because he didn't knew if a buddha could be considered a human or a mythical beast so he just put there for the hell of it. He hardly have plans to do something similar like that. And when a human eat a Zoan he could at least turn into a hybrid form that makes different for the other animals. -
And my point is that creating a DF that allows someone to turn into one of the major races would be a waste considering they are there. We already have Hajrudin in the SH Fleet and will certainly overshadow anyone who could have eaten this hypotethical fruit, not to mention Dory and Broggy already. Same thing to Leo.
And besides, Oda states in the SBS that he just gave the Hito Hito because he didn't knew if a buddha could be considered a human or a mythical beast so he just put there for the hell of it. He hardly have plans to do something similar like that. And when a human eat a Zoan he could at least turn into a hybrid form that makes different for the other animals.I don't get your objection. You asked for ideas for new models, and you were offered some. Whether it'll appear or not doesn't matter.
And your second paragraph kinda proves my point, because Oda will put in that category anything he wants and that at least loosely connects with humans. -
Oda was way too creative of a mind to rule out other human based devil fruits, not saying its gonna happen but who knows
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There is only one of these fruit in the world and Chopper already ate it. The Sengoku's version is the mythical version.
Tons of different human like races in one piece most are likely related to humans so they could give a intelligence boost to a human that eats them.
With devil fruit awakening no fruit is useless since they would give a healing boost as well like the guards in impel down and they could make more animals into Chopper's that can talk.
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I don't get your objection. You asked for ideas for new models, and you were offered some. Whether it'll appear or not doesn't matter.
And your second paragraph kinda proves my point, because Oda will put in that category anything he wants and that at least loosely connects with humans.But a Buddha makes more sense than a ogre and a fairy mind you. If those would appear it wouldn't be a model for the Hito Hito.
@sanji''s_dad:Tons of different human like races in one piece most are likely related to humans so they could give a intelligence boost to a human that eats them.
You're saying…There is a Hito Hito to any human race, that by the way is a stupid idea considering it wouldn't do anything elso but to turn into one of many other members of same race, just to give they a smart boost?
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But a Buddha makes more sense than a ogre and a fairy mind you. If those would appear it wouldn't be a model for the Hito Hito.
Why. A Daibutsu is not even a creature. I mentioned beings, real or not (in the OP world), that are actually modeled after humans.
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Why. A Daibutsu is not even a creature. I mentioned beings, real or not (in the OP world), that are actually modeled after humans.
The definition of Buddha is someone who reached full enlightment, in other words an ascended human. Also, doesn't an ape DF could count as a Hito Hito by your definition?
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The definition of Buddha is someone who reached full enlightment, in other words an ascended human. Also, doesn't an ape DF could count as a Hito Hito by your definition?
A daibutsu is a big statue that's a depiction of buddha, and Sengoku is a gigantic moving golden statue that shoots shockwaves out of his palms (how is THAT related to his fruit??). As long as it resembles a human, Oda can put it there just by wanting to.
As for the ape, it entirely depends on Oda, but I'm going to say no, because an ape is categorized as an animal. If anything he's a type of a monkey, despite the resemblance to humans. All the things I mentioned are creatures modeled after humans, who have the capacity to do anything a human can intelligence-wise (well, maybe except for the ogre, but Oars Jr. is still a lot more intelligent than any ape out there). -
A daibutsu is a big statue that's a depiction of buddha, and Sengoku is a gigantic moving golden statue that shoots shockwaves out of his palms (how is THAT related to his fruit??). As long as it resembles a human, Oda can put it there just by wanting to.
As for the ape, it entirely depends on Oda, but I'm going to say no, because an ape is categorized as an animal. If anything he's a type of a monkey, despite the resemblance to humans. All the things I mentioned are creatures modeled after humans, who have the capacity to do anything a human can intelligence-wise (well, maybe except for the ogre, but Oars Jr. is still a lot more intelligent than any ape out there).What is modeled after a human anyway? The Vampire is already part of the Batto Batto family and last time I checked, Humans are Animals as well.
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What is modeled after a human anyway? The Vampire is already part of the Batto Batto family and last time I checked, Humans are Animals as well.
The vampire is not canon like you said (I don't even remember it). Humans are animals, but pop culture differentiates between humans and other animals.
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The vampire is not canon like you said (I don't even remember it). Humans are animals, but pop culture differentiates between humans and other animals.
Modeled after a human means taking a human and adding irregular features to it, like making it miniature, or giant, or adding wings to it.Jabra's DF could be considered a Hito DF by this definition then, because werewolf. And on the second paragraph you just described Leo, Hajrudin and pretty much Calgara.
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Jabra's DF could be considered a Hito DF by this definition then, because werewolf.
He's not a warewolf, he's just a wolf. He used his hybrid form to fight Sanji.
And on the second paragraph you just described Leo, Hajrudin and pretty much Calgara.
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He's not a warewolf, he's just a wolf. He used his hybrid form to fight Sanji.
Yes.
Yes.
And yes. That proves that there are no other Hito Hito and Fairies and Ogres doesn't exists.
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And yes. That proves that there are no other Hito Hito and Fairies and Ogres doesn't exists.
How so? a phoenix is a mythical creature even in OP, yet there's a DF for it. How does that prove that there are no other hito hito? as I said in the beginning there are dogs and DF for dogs at the same time. And again, I'm not trying to prove the likelihood of my examples being shown in the series, I'm trying to explain what it means for something to be a model for the Hito Hito no Mi.
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How so? a phoenix is a mythical creature even in OP, yet there's a DF for it.
I didn't mentioned a phoenix.
How does that prove that there are no other hito hito? as I said in the beginning there are dogs and DF for dogs at the same time. And again, I'm not trying to prove the likelihood of my examples being shown in the series, I'm trying to explain what it means for something to be a model for the Hito Hito no Mi.
That is because there are many species on the Canis family, but there is only one specimen in the Homo Sapien family. And considering Chopper doesn't have a model, but the Zou Zou even though doesn't have a model but an ancient model, the Daibutsu Model is the only Hito Hito outside of it.
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I didn't mentioned a phoenix.
I know, I guess I didn't understand the end of your sentence.
That is because there are many species on the Canis family, but there is only one specimen in the Homo Sapien family. And considering Chopper doesn't have a model, but the Zou Zou even though doesn't have a model but an ancient model, the Daibutsu Model is the only Hito Hito outside of it.
A cow is a cow, but Kaku's giraffe fruit was a model of the Ushi Ushi fruit.
Chopper doesn't have a model because there's actually such a thing as a general human appearance, while dogs come in many (named) forms, but it doesn't mean it can't have models- there's model Daibutsu, so why not others? if I told you there's an angel zoan, and that it has to be a model of some other existing fruit, which fruit would you choose for it to be modeled after? and giants? and dwarves?
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A cow is a cow, but Kaku's giraffe fruit was a model of the Ushi Ushi fruit.
A Bison isn't a cow either, but they are all Ruminants like goats and sheeps.
Chopper doesn't have a model because there's actually such a thing as a general human appearance, while dogs come in many (named) forms, but it doesn't mean it can't have models- there's model Daibutsu, so why not others? if I told you there's an angel zoan, and that it has to be a model of some other existing fruit, which fruit would you choose for it to be modeled after? and giants? and dwarves?
The Daibutsu model is the only model shown -so far-, and whether or not there will be others, it's really not hard to imagine new models for it.By the way, A wolf isn't a dog by itself. Outside of the Mytical version of the Hito Hito, Human is the only Human that exists. Giants and Dwarves are already classified as non-humans.
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A Bison isn't a cow either, but they are all Ruminants like goats and sheeps.
By the way, A wolf isn't a dog by itself. Outside of the Mytical version of the Hito Hito, Human is the only Human that exists. Giants and Dwarves are already classified as non-humans.
So a hito hito model doesn't have to be strictly a hypothetical sub-species of a human, but rather anything that resembles a human is a possible model. Like a giant, dwarf, daibutsu, angel, whatever. Anything humanoid and intelligent.
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But a Buddha makes more sense than a ogre and a fairy mind you. If those would appear it wouldn't be a model for the Hito Hito.
You're saying…There is a Hito Hito to any human race, that by the way is a stupid idea considering it wouldn't do anything elso but to turn into one of many other members of same race, just to give they a smart boost?
I am not the first person to suggest it and the only reason it has been suggested is because of what Oda said about it making people smarter also i have nothing to lose by being wrong since it''s not like i am betting anything on it so it''s no different than suggesting someone as a new nakama.
Vegapunk could naturally be that smart or even be from the future with a time travelling devil fruit but he could have been smart before he ate it as well and it just made him more intelligent.
Strength,agility and intelligence are the main stats in some role playing games and people that use intelligence cannot take as many hits as Strength and agility normally dodges attacks but with Vegapunk making cyborgs he could just make himself a robot suit or turn himself into something like Kuma/Franky to get stronger.
He could eaten a paramecian devil fruit that just makes you super smart as well would be useful for learning new things faster or inventing stuff.
Vegapunk could have eaten Chopper's fruit in the future then made a time machine to travel back in time to fix something bad that is going to happen in the past.
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The thing about the different humanoid species in the One Piece world is that they can interbreed with one another, which suggests that they're more like races (or breeds) than separate species.
All of the Zoan fruits with different models have so far been different species, but even then, there are a few exceptions.
Lassoo had the Dachshund model, which isn't a separate species, but a breed of Canis familiaris. If we assume Dalmatian has a Dalmatian model (and Minochihuahua the Chihuahua model), then we'd have two (three) fruits with the same species but different breeds.
And the Daibutsu model, while literally meaning 'statue of Buddha', I believe can be taken to mean just 'Buddha', in which case, he's not even a different breed but the same species as regular humans (just enlightened).I wouldn't be surprised if Oda were to introduce a Giant model Human Fruit or something similar. That said, I don't think he will, since it doesn't provide for anything particularly interesting.
And just because a fruit doesn't have a model in its name, doesn't mean there are no other fruits with the same name but different models. The Horse Horse fruit was introduced before we saw Minozebra, who can be assumed to have (or if some theories are correct, be the product of) the Zebra model Horse Fruit.
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@Bond:
And the Daibutsu model, while literally meaning 'statue of Buddha', I believe can be taken to mean just 'Buddha', in which case, he's not even a different breed but the same species as regular humans (just enlightened).
Actually, Daibutsu means "Big/Great Buddha."
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Hito Hito No Mi Model Jesus.
One of the Gorosei has Hito Hito no Mi model Gandhi
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It isn't more common in Japan when someone of lesser standing marries to a higher family to take the better family name, regardless of sex?
Granted, I've only seen it in anime (Gendo Ikari, Azami Nakiri and Youchiro Yukihara) but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiroemon_Kimura this dude did it as well.
Using tv tropes only to list examples: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheMaidenNameDebate
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Also Sabo's full name being Sally Sabo would be something that Ace would had made fun of.
You are exactly correct. The eldest sister of my mother-in-law, since there were no brothers, inherited, and her husband was adopted into their family in order to keep the family name intact.
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That's not how that works even in royalty. A queen or princess marrying outside the family (when they uh…did that...lol) meant the dynasty name changed.
Take a look at the British royalty.
You see like a bunch of different dynasty names right? Windsor....Stuart....Tudor....York...Lancaster...and so on. And you think these are all different dynasties? Nope! A couple of those name changes were brought about because a female member of the bloodline passed the crown to an unrelated male (though the offspring would continue the bloodline).
But ancestry wise? Allll those dynasties of England/Britian lead back to William the Conquerer. It's the same bloodline still to this day with Liz II.Now the idea that Oda might ignore that for the King making a deal with Stelly? Sure maybe. But it's not at all necessary for Oda to twist that to being the case.
Yes people have said that, people on this forum who are probably very wrong about that. No idea why you'd base a theory on those shaky weak grounds.
The WG is completely all about keeping the Ancient Weapons asleep, or at the least Pluton. Not seeing how Alabasta having the burial site is proof of open conspiracy.
The Poneglyph kind of is/was…...but? Honestly I'm even doubting that right now given how Cobra apparently doesn't see an issue with chatting with the Gorosei or whoever about it.
I'm more partial to the WG knowing Alabasta has one, and maybe twisting the legacy of the AK by telling subsequent kings and queens of Alabasta something like "Oh yeah, you're supposed to guard it and keep it safe....from ANYONE."What the hell are you talking about? Roger didn't do shit with Pluton. He found out where it was is all.
Alabasta somewhere like we ourselves found out.
You edited out the part of my post that was saying it was most likely a condition the old king had for them getting married but the English royals also did marry into other royal family''s to get land in exchange so its makes sense for the them to take the mans last name in that case plus they had a different religion than the Japanese had so they had different rules for getting married.
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The queen is a royal she gets to keep her last name since it was most likely a condition the old king had for them getting married normally the woman would have taken the man's last name so Smelly would have taken the queens last name so Smelly most likely had a different last name before the marriage.
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So a hito hito model doesn't have to be strictly a hypothetical sub-species of a human, but rather anything that resembles a human is a possible model. Like a giant, dwarf, daibutsu, angel, whatever. Anything humanoid and intelligent.
A ruminant is an herbivore animal with a digestive organ divided into four chambers that performs microbial digestion in the first chamber that it's the rume. So all these animals fits the description. The other ones doesn't fit into the Hito category except the Daibutsu.
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A ruminant is an herbivore animal with a digestive organ divided into four chambers that performs microbial digestion in the first chamber that it's the rume. So all these animals fits the description. The other ones doesn't fit into the Hito category except the Daibutsu.
Yes but it's not the ruminant fruit, it's the cow fruit, i.e the model doesn't have to be a sub-species of its general name, and again, why don't they fit the description, and what description? because humans are not ruminants.
Look, I tried my best to explain why models match their fruit's name, and if you don't want to agree with me after taking up a whole page on this thread then that's fine. I don't feel like continuing this discussion for the second day.
