how many graphic novels are currently released in north america? I was thinking about starting to buy them, but I was wondering how daunting a task it will be. ( went with Dr Slump instead, cause that's harder to find. I can get FMA anywhere) I'm not a big manga reader; does english manga get ruined, like Dub anime, or is it basicly the same as the jap?
Full Metal Alchemist Discussion
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8 just came out
_ Originally Posted by mr.allsunday
Nice job jumping on the bandwagon there Aethos, I can only wish I was as cool as you_
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From what I can tell the FMA manga has a pretty good translation. Give it a shot, if you're not intimidated by the price. There may be only 8 volumes out here so far, but in Japan they're like on 13. And waaaaaaaay off from being finished.
Right now the manga is currently in THE BIG Ishvara flashback. Which means a lot of things are finally going to be explained. Some things already have been.
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I still need to catch up, but I've been reading a few of the recent chapters. Basque Grand is awesome beyond all expectations.
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ah, only 8. that's not that bad. I thought it would be in the teens.
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Hey, there's only 60 chapters.
Caught up with One Piece at 405.'How Careless!'-Gedatsu
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Um, this is just a quick question to anyone who ownes the FMA and the Broken Angel PS2 game.
I, after having just got mine after winning it on ebay, thinking that it was brand new and factory sealed (as the description on ebay said it was) was hightly disapointed to find it was not new and had infact been used as the disk is all sctarched and the cover is damaged
I am just wondering if someone could help me out to see if I had got my facts right about this game as I have no way of knowing as it arrived opened.
Is the game surposed to come with a small manuel on the inside as mine has nothing? And is it true that there where surposed to be 2 bonus episodes from the TV series? Are they ment to be on the game itself or on a seperate DVD as again I can't find them?
Also, is there ment to be somewhere to acess the animation featured in the game seperatly or does it just play as the game goes on? I just can't seem to work my way around this thing at all? The menu is all screwed up to me it seems!
Thanks and I hope someone can help me out :happy:
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man that royaly sucks. It came opened?! Like the package that was mailed, or the game case? If it was the mail, I'd be raising hell at the post office. (this is why I always buy insurance for $1 )
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What ever happened to the msn site for the manga, it closed
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man that royaly sucks. It came opened?! Like the package that was mailed, or the game case? If it was the mail, I'd be raising hell at the post office. (this is why I always buy insurance for $1 )
Well, the mail package was fine but the game case itself wasn't sealed. The game was used which I was told it hadn't been. I guess I should have been clearer, sorry. That's why I want to know if it was ment to have a manuel and DVD or not :sad:
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well hopefully someone's around who knows, cause I don't. but If it was suposed to be new, I'd still be raising hell with the seller, and ebay. I raised hell on a game trading site last christmas, when this guy didn't send out my game I bought from him as a christmas present for a friend. (finally got it after posting him as a bad trader to the public)
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um….you can return it back.........leave a bad feedback while your at it. And no, the game isn't new, it came out a like last year in America. It should have a DVD, and a manual.
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Broken Angel came out in 2004 if I remember right.
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Thanks for you help/surport guys :wub:
Yeh, I know the games not a new release but I was just very disapointed in the fact that it came dented, scratched, DVD and Manuel less when she said that it was "NEW" Oh, and when I e-mailed her telling her this, guess what she replyed "but it is new..thats how it came from the shop" :blink: Ither the shop was selling it off to her like this or she did get it new, used it and is now selling it I don't know. Anyway..I will be returing it very very soon though and getting my money back so don't worry. Then I will march straight back out there and find one that is complete (hopefully sealed as well)
So, it was ment to come with a manuel and DVD. I though so :happy: Thanks again!
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"ya, too bad missy, if you think it's new. I'm still not satisfied." Lesson learned: people are dumb. Guess you'll have to break it down next time, to make sure. "unopened-with dvd-with game-with manual" May I ask why not go to a reputable store where you know the product is brand new and unopened? :)
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"ya, too bad missy, if you think it's new. I'm still not satisfied." Lesson learned: people are dumb. Guess you'll have to break it down next time, to make sure. "unopened-with dvd-with game-with manual" May I ask why not go to a reputable store where you know the product is brand new and unopened? :)
Good idea but sadly I have tried every single (out of the few there are at least) place I could think of here that might possibly sell it but no luck. Even at a convention they didin't have it! Oh, well, I guess its becuase it is old. Oh well, I'll fix this enentually :happy:
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for people wondering what happened to fma msn
http://groups.msn.com/FullMetalAlchemistV-2/_whatsnew.msnw
Theres the new one.
I wish i had a translation for 61
_ Originally Posted by mr.allsunday
Nice job jumping on the bandwagon there Aethos, I can only wish I was as cool as you_
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Funny Intro never would've thought of that myself.
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animeforever try www.gtz.com (game trading zone) I was able to find 2 copies of bust a groove there in good condition. I'm sure you can find your FMA game.
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I don't think that's right it, takes you to a place called Greater Than Zero Inc.
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I think you're talking about gametz.com
Avatar provided by Ferntree on DeviantArt.
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Kinda disappointed because I can't find Shinobido Imashime anywhere.
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@yokaiforte:
I think you're talking about gametz.com
oh man, sorry, i thought gtz was the address. gome.
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Well, Kimbley is a lot cooler than his lame anime counterpart.
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Hell, Kimbley is awesome, and so was the latest chapter. No idea what Envy was doing there, though, or why he was so pleased.
Still, a pretty neat flashback story coming to a satisfying end. I thought it was kind of, I dunno, redundant considering Scar's story, because it basically just finally affirmed what we already knew, but I guess it had to be done. Just wish we could've gotten a bit more of a feel for Scar prior to his batshit insanity.
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Just picked up the first graphic novel yesterday. When does the manga start to be different from the anime? (in terms of chapters, or books, don't spoil it for me) :)
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I found it to be different right away, because there's a lot more humor in the manga.
But plotwise…. I guess around the laboratory, but I haven't gotten that far in the manga (aside from reading recent chapters).
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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@Cap'n:
I found it to be different right away, because there's a lot more humor in the manga.
But plotwise…. I guess around the laboratory, but I haven't gotten that far in the manga (aside from reading recent chapters).
The manga is A LOT more funnier. I was watching the sheska episode and it was a lot more funnier in the manga. Though it was the "same" it didnt have the right feel to it.
Not to mention Al and Winry are waaaaaayyyyy funnier in the manga
_ Originally Posted by mr.allsunday
Nice job jumping on the bandwagon there Aethos, I can only wish I was as cool as you_
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Couldn't resist!
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that is the funniest load of crap I've seen in a long time. lol
I'm not even finished reading the chapter with Rose in it, and already I am seeing Ed is more arogent. (sp?) Not liking that as much so far. I hope I find his charicter to be nice too, like the anime. (I like nice people)
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Trust me, he's nice. What I like about the manga is that he's not quite as angsty as his anime counterpart.
Keep going. The manga only gets better and better.
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I'd rather have Ed as arrogant than Angsty McWhineWhine like he was in the anime.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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I also enjoy the manga much more.
I'm much more interested in Kimblee in the manga, he's got so much more personality than just being "crazy homicidal".
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@Cap'n:
I'd rather have Ed as arrogant than Angsty McWhineWhine like he was in the anime.
Well that's fine for you, but you know how much I tend to agree with you. Hey, I'm the little house on the prarie girl on this board. Hell, I'm currently watching 7th heaven. I like feelings. starts acting like a hippie (sp)
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Hey, there's nothing wrong with that. (I'm a Gilmore Girls gal myself)
But I must agree, Angsty!Ed got on my nerves. A little more arrogant Manga!Ed is much more captivating.
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I like feelings.
Angst isn't a feeling. It's an excuse as to run away from your problems and life.
Like Sasuke. Only Sasuke's on a whole different level of angst.
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I wasn't talking about angst. why is it every time someone doesn't like something, it's becasue "oh, there's too much angst." there has to be conflict in order to make a story interesting, so naturally, the charicters are going to be sad and stuff over the conflict, until they overcome it and become happy. God, if you look at everything that way, you could say carebears have angst. I don't like that word. It is jsut an excuse to why someone doesn't like something.
All I stated is I like a story with drama and emotion. I can't speak for the manga yet, but FMA anime was full of feelings and emotion. It's a heartfelt story about 2 brothers on a difficult quest to correct their sins and return to normal. Of coarse, there is lots of other stuff in there, like action, and comedy and stuff, but I'm most conected to the story through drama.
(I don't see how little house or 7th heaven is full of angst either, and I don't watch naruto, so your example is lost on me)
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That's good and all until Al because a huge, sensitive crybaby, tugging at dead mommy's skirt. And Ed is like "GRR IM ANGRY" and then everything turns out to be because of the Nazis.
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you know i agree with nothing you have to say carter, and trying to rub your opinion in my face like I am stupid or something isn't going convince me of anything.
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…...uh, what?
If you're trying to suggest that hate the anime because of some INTARNET GRUGE, then you're going to be sadly misataken. And you can stop trying to post about it in every other thread I post in..
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I wasn't talking about angst. why is it every time someone doesn't like something, it's becasue "oh, there's too much angst." there has to be conflict in order to make a story interesting, so naturally, the charicters are going to be sad and stuff over the conflict, until they overcome it and become happy. God, if you look at everything that way, you could say carebears have angst. I don't like that word. It is jsut an excuse to why someone doesn't like something.
You should read Naruto. Then you'll know as to why Whiny Angst isn't quality writing.
It's good at times. If not excessively used.
In short, Angst isn't always the conflict. Whining does not make something full of feelings and emotion.
Now, don't get me wrong. I like the FMA anime. I just like the manga because it has much less angst.
All I stated is I like a story with drama and emotion. I can't speak for the manga yet, but FMA anime was full of feelings and emotion. It's a heartfelt story about 2 brothers on a difficult quest to correct their sins and return to normal. Of coarse, there is lots of other stuff in there, like action, and comedy and stuff, but I'm most conected to the story through drama.
You know, One Piece has a lot of drama and emotion. And by far, there's no angst. There are much better ways to portray a story than to have the main characters whine.
(I don't see how little house or 7th heaven is full of angst either, and I don't watch naruto, so your example is lost on me)
I don't watch little house or 7th heaven. All I quoted was "I like feelings"
And Sasuke… He's what defines angst.
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@Cap'n:
That's good and all until Al because a huge, sensitive crybaby, tugging at dead mommy's skirt. And Ed is like "GRR IM ANGRY" and then everything turns out to be because of the Nazis.
Well I can see where they get the crybaby al from (which I'll admit isnt soooo bad), but yeah the grr I am angry ed was really annoying.
Also wrath is the anime is one of the annoiest characters I have ever freaking seen
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I wasn't talking about angst. why is it every time someone doesn't like something, it's becasue "oh, there's too much angst." there has to be conflict in order to make a story interesting, so naturally, the charicters are going to be sad and stuff over the conflict, until they overcome it and become happy. God, if you look at everything that way, you could say carebears have angst. I don't like that word. It is jsut an excuse to why someone doesn't like something.
All I stated is I like a story with drama and emotion. I can't speak for the manga yet, but FMA anime was full of feelings and emotion. It's a heartfelt story about 2 brothers on a difficult quest to correct their sins and return to normal. Of coarse, there is lots of other stuff in there, like action, and comedy and stuff, but I'm most conected to the story through drama.
(I don't see how little house or 7th heaven is full of angst either, and I don't watch naruto, so your example is lost on me)
Let's look at the definition of angst (courtesy of dictionary.com):
"A feeling of anxiety and apprehension often accompanied by depression."I think the key word there is depression. If a character falls into depression either too often or for too long, it starts to grate on the nerves, mostly because depression can be interpereted as a selfish action. A person can only think of what a terrible mess they're in and go into a downward spiral of self-pity when instead they should (after an acceptable period of sadness/anxiety/apprehension) go forth and do something about their situation.
This state is also often used as an excuse by characters to justify any horrible/stupid things they've done. Sasuke is a case in point. His family was killed by his older brother and he uses this tragedy as the driving force in his life, rather than try and mature from the feelings of loss he lets it enclose him and he falls into the trap of said self-pity. He doesn't care what people think of him, because he believes revenge is the only thing he has when in fact he has a lot of people who care about him. He's just too stubborn to adhere to it.
An example from FMA I can think of is when Al thought that Ed artificially created his memories and that he as a human never existed. In the anime he falls into his "angst" and after an explosive encounter with Ed he runs away and falls into various dangerous situations that could have been avoided if he had simply talked the whole thing over with Ed. In the manga Al does try and run away from Ed but is stopped by Winry who (literally) bangs some sense into him. Thus something like ten minutes later the brothers manage to talk and mend their hurt feelings and anxiety.
That shows (to me) a better growth of character between Ed, Al, and Winry. By helping and relying on each other they don't fall into depression (usually) and are able to face life. A complete opposite of, say, Sasuke who refuses to accept any help at all from his friends because he can't let go.
So yes, sadness and angst and conflict are part of what makes a story go, but if an author allows the characters to wallow in it for too long then it gets highly annoying. Because a character who does "wallow in his angst/self-pity" can only be seen as childish, and not in a good way.
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@wikipedia:
Angst in subculture stereotyping
Sometimes, the term is used derisively to refer to members of the "goth" subculture who may seem to be in competition with each other as to who can give the most "tragic" account of his or her circumstances. These sorts of perceptions can produce a backlash in the general public, who accuse the members of the subculture of exaggerating the normal frustrations of life to ridiculous extremes in an attempt to elicit pity and make excuses for their situation. Thus, the description of such a person as "angst-ridden" may involve a note of sarcasm. Similar negative characterizations have been made of other subcultures, such as the "Beat Generation", the grunge rock movement, and various literary and artistic movements.
The term is also sometimes used to negatively stereotype the very wealthy and well-to-do, with the implication being that angst (and occasionally ennui) are the only problems that they face. "Of course, my money solves the problems that you face daily, and I don't have to subject myself to the backbreaking labor that you do every day, but you mustn't think I live a life of ease. I suffer from such terrible angst!"Of course, that's not the real definition. Another person brought up the word "Wangst" before, defining it as Whiny Angst. I try using it, but since most people understand Angst better, I use it so as to not confuse the masses.
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On another note, I downloaded FMA: Dream Carnival, and that's a fun as hell game.
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Let's look at the definition of angst (courtesy of dictionary.com):
"A feeling of anxiety and apprehension often accompanied by depression."I think the key word there is depression. If a character falls into depression either too often or for too long, it starts to grate on the nerves, mostly because depression can be interpereted as a selfish action. A person can only think of what a terrible mess they're in and go into a downward spiral of self-pity when instead they should (after an acceptable period of sadness/anxiety/apprehension) go forth and do something about their situation.
This state is also often used as an excuse by characters to justify any horrible/stupid things they've done. Sasuke is a case in point. His family was killed by his older brother and he uses this tragedy as the driving force in his life, rather than try and mature from the feelings of loss he lets it enclose him and he falls into the trap of said self-pity. He doesn't care what people think of him, because he believes revenge is the only thing he has when in fact he has a lot of people who care about him. He's just too stubborn to adhere to it.
An example from FMA I can think of is when Al thought that Ed artificially created his memories and that he as a human never existed. In the anime he falls into his "angst" and after an explosive encounter with Ed he runs away and falls into various dangerous situations that could have been avoided if he had simply talked the whole thing over with Ed. In the manga Al does try and run away from Ed but is stopped by Winry who (literally) bangs some sense into him. Thus something like ten minutes later the brothers manage to talk and mend their hurt feelings and anxiety.
That shows (to me) a better growth of character between Ed, Al, and Winry. By helping and relying on each other they don't fall into depression (usually) and are able to face life. A complete opposite of, say, Sasuke who refuses to accept any help at all from his friends because he can't let go.
So yes, sadness and angst and conflict are part of what makes a story go, but if an author allows the characters to wallow in it for too long then it gets highly annoying. Because a character who does "wallow in his angst/self-pity" can only be seen as childish, and not in a good way.
well 2 episodes of "angst" and conflict between charicters doesn't make an anime annoying to me. This is what pissed me off in the first place. Someone said, that's all the charicters do in the anime, and I don't really see that. If you were to tell me the same thing about Shinji, from NGE, then I could agree with that. Just don't insult my tastes by saying things that arn't true. And I thought those 2 episodes with Al were very apropriate to the story. They needed to cover that at some point.
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well 2 episodes of "angst" and conflict between charicters doesn't make an anime annoying to me.
"angst" and conflict are two very different things. Conflict is good, as every story has a conflict that must be resolved. "angst" is bad. Because angst is exaggerating your problems and thinking that your problems are the worst even though there are other people with worse problems who are dealing with them instead of whining about them. Or something around the same general idea of whining about problems and not doing something to resolve them (Al running away and not talking things over, Ed yelling at Armstrong about the Ishbal Rebellion without thinking about how he must feel about annihilating an entire population)
As such, the only reason why angsty characters such as Sasuke get the number one spot in popularity contests compared to Naruto is because Naruto, as all Shonen manga, is aimed at teenage boys, or a teenage audience in general. And angst is food for a lot of teenagers (besides me, who finds Sasuke rather… idiotic and bland)
On that note, it was more than just two episodes.
This is what pissed me off in the first place. Someone said, that's all the charicters do in the anime, and I don't really see that. If you were to tell me the same thing about Shinji, from NGE, then I could agree with that. Just don't insult my tastes by saying things that arn't true.
Right. that isn't the only thing that they do in the anime. However, Angst does make up a good chunk of Ed's persona in the story. And angst makes a very bland, annoying character.
And I thought those 2 episodes with Al were very apropriate to the story. They needed to cover that at some point.
Yeah…. they were needed. But there's a better way at presenting something than having a character run away from his problems.
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I'm just gonna disagree with you.
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Fine. Cross out my own personal opinions.
Give me one good example of how angst makes up a good story with emotion and what not while making up a good chunk of the story.
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let me refrase, the way I view FMA, and the way you view it, is totally different. It's like we're reading 2 different books, therefore, this argument has become pointless if we are basing everything off of 2 very different views.
The way you see FMA, and the way I see it is totally different. I'm not debating what angst is, I'm indifferent to your view of FMA. But, I accept that it is your view, and it's not going to change.
I'm also getting tired of arguing. I'm sure everyone else is tired of it too.
