Blackbeard takes double the physical damage as a result of having the darkness fruit, so if someone's haki is strong they won't need powers, and I have a feeling Yonko haki is cream of the crop.
Oh Lord.
There is no such thing as Yonkou level Admiral level. That is nothing but a silly fan creation.
Also, he doesn't take double the physical damage. That was never stated at all.
@Go:
Assumption being that A) Akainu is weaker than each and every Emperor (Baseless), B) That Aokiji does not have underhanded motives in his allaince with Blackbeard (Baseless), and C) One blocked does not mean one character is stronger than the other, because again, baseless.
Actually no I think Akainu is the only one on their level, I said it on the last page, you must have missed that. I am a firm believer that he has his own motives for being in BB crew, don't know what made you think otherwise. One block doesn't mean that but apparently being grabbed by the collar and lifted off the ground with one hand and just watching on helplessly as he is thrown into the air and then take a direct his from punch by whitebeard as he came flying back down equates to being "at least close to his level" yeah, please take your rose tinted spectacles off bro, you're not exactly being consistent with what you say.
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Oh Lord.
There is no such thing as Yonkou level Admiral level. That is nothing but a silly fan creation.**Also, he doesn't take double the physical damage. That was never stated at all.
Actually it was stated when he fought Ace-kun, you might think I'm being fictitious but I'm actually not as I use real events from chapters to back up my claims.**
Year of Sanji, let's go!
Actually no I think Akainu is the only one on their level, I said it on the last page, you must have missed that. I am a firm believer that he has his own motives for being in BB crew, don't know what made you think otherwise. One block doesn't mean that but apparently being grabbed by the collar and lifted off the ground with one hand and just watching on helplessly as he is thrown into the air and then take a direct his from punch by whitebeard as he came flying back down equates to being "at least close to his level" yeah, please take your rose tinted spectacles off bro, you're not exactly being consistent with what you say.
You are treating shit Toei adaptation of that fight as canon over manga, and yes, that is enough to for me to disagree with your opinion.
Yeah, and that all means that he is strong. Nothing there says that Aokiji can't beat him. That is just your speculation. BB got what he wanted and he didn't want to have a meaningless fight with Shanks so he got away. Casually blocked a magma punch meant to hit Coby (who is a fodder for Akainu) with a sword, yeah, that is such a great show of strength, especially now when everyone has Haki. Back then it was a wow moment, now it's just a cool moment when we put things in perspective. And yeah, Kizaru shit his pants when Ben pointed the gun at him. He trolled him and continued to attack Law's submarine. No, I didn't say that. Like I said, you keep playing stupid and you twist my words, so I'll repeat it one more time, I sad he is equal to a sick and old WB (and the damage they dealt to one another speaks about this itself).
So Akainu is Yonko level, but the guy he fought against for 10 fricking days just to barely win isn't Yonko level. Again, gr8 logic…
This is my last post regarding this matter since I see that you are incapable of having a proper discussion with.
Yeah, when you learn to not make funny statements like WB and Akainu were equal I'll have a "proper" conversation with you but before then you can stop talking, I have no problem with that.
Actually no I think Akainu is the only one on their level, I said it on the last page, you must have missed that. I am a firm believer that he has his own motives for being in BB crew, don't know what made you think otherwise. One block doesn't mean that but apparently being grabbed by the collar and lifted off the ground with one hand and just watching on helplessly as he is thrown into the air and then take a direct his from punch by whitebeard as he came flying back down equates to being "at least close to his level" yeah, please take your rose tinted spectacles off bro, you're not exactly being consistent with what you say.
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Actually it was stated when he fought Ace-kun, you might think I'm being fictitious but I'm actually not as I use real events from chapters to back up my claims.
That was a mistranslation. He takes physical damage and a lotta pain as a result….
This thread went from Sanji's team vs. Big Mom's crew, to WB vs. Akainu.
@Go:
You are treating shit Toei adaptation of that fight as canon over manga, and yes, that is enough to for me to disagree with your opinion.
So did something happen any differently in the manga? What you mean how we didn't get to hear his pathetic grunts in the manga or the fear in his eyes when WB looks at him? Please.
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That was a mistranslation. He takes physical damage and a lotta pain as a result….
What? How is that any different to what I said? He takes more damage as a tradeoff for being able to nullify DF powers, and for beasts that don't rely heavily on their DF powers like certain admirals do it's not going to help him against strong haki users.
Year of Sanji, let's go!
Right and tell me, just who exactly would slap seastone cuffs on the world's strongest pirate, that just happens to literally be a man mountain?
Marco is just an normal sized human, he stupidly got caught off guard worrying about WB, a mistake you'd not expect someone of that caliber and experience to make…....but regardless, he is still a Pirate that commands respect in the world to the extent the Gorosei mentioned him & the remenants of the WB Pirates as being among those maybe capable of stopping BB's advance, along with the other 3 Emperor's....
My answer? Any one of those who stood up to him during the battle.
Should we include Garp and Sengoku in this power level discussion?
My answer? Any one of those who stood up to him during the battle.
Yeah and how did that all work out for those that stood up to Whitebeard?
Should we include Garp and Sengoku in this power level discussion?
It's a shonen battle manga, there will always be power level talks whether one likes it or not. The Golden Buddha was fleet admiral back then, he was the strongest marine there and Kong is probably stronger but he had no part in the war so can't comment on him :) Garp gets slapped around by Dadan he must be weak :ninja:
So did something happen any differently in the manga? What you mean how we didn't get to hear his pathetic grunts in the manga or the fear in his eyes when WB looks at him? Please.
No, actually. Not an ounce of fear in his eyes. He gets hit by WB from behind, grits his teeth, instantly gets back up, jumps and rips half of WB face off, get's hit in mid-air by WB, falls onto piece of rubble already broken off and falling down.
No grabbing by the collar, no being thrown into the air, no watching helplessly, no flying down.
Have to say, you calling me out on having rose tinted spectacles because of stuff that never happened makes you look like a bit of an ass.
DoFlamingo can't tank attacks? What the hell do you call tanking Luffy's red hawk attack which other than causing him to cough up a little blood, did no real damage, or the fact that even after Luffy smacked him around with Gear 4, he was back up in no time at all. He utterly destroyed Law in every single fight they had and he wasn't even going all out against him to do so.
so you think red hawk is impressive? When talking of the top shots of OP? King kong gun, a top tier shoukd not ko to that, as strong and impressive as you want to think that was, in the grand scheme of things its not very impressive imo. He was back up in no time, right, forgot he went for booze and got drunk, no wonder he walked so funny…..
@Go:
No, actually. Not an ounce of fear in his eyes. He gets hit by WB from behind, grits his teeth, instantly gets back up, jumps and rips half of WB face off, get's hit in mid-air by WB, falls onto piece of rubble already broken off and falling down.
No grabbing by the collar, no being thrown into the air, no watching helplessly, no flying down.
Have to say, you calling me out on having rose tinted spectacles because of stuff that never happened makes you look like a bit of an ass.
And you thinking Whitebeard couldn't have destroyed all of Marineford if his precious sons weren't running around on the field makes you seem delusional, he could have taken out every marine there if no family of his were in his way. He was holding back, at his death bed before the war even started. What makes me an ass is that I'm straight up telling you that your beloved Akainu was a chump in front of Whitebeard.
Year of Sanji, let's go!
so you think red hawk is impressive? When talking of the top shots of OP? King kong gun, a top tier shoukd not ko to that, as strong and impressive as you want to think that was, in the grand scheme of things its not very impressive imo. He was back up in no time, right, forgot he went for booze and got drunk, no wonder he walked so funny…..
Who are you to say a top tier should not go down from that? Maybe not, but then you have to account all the previous damage he took,even if he was back up again, that softened him up enough for that 1 final attack takting him out when he hit him headon…..
And you thinking Whitebeard couldn't have destroyed all of Marineford if his precious sons weren't running around on the field makes you seem delusional, he could have taken out every marine there if no family of his were in his way. He was holding back, at his death bed before the war even started. What makes me an ass is that I'm straight up telling you that your beloved Akainu was a chump in front of Whitebeard.
No, your tone is.
And Akainu could have destroyed whole Marineford as well if marines weren't there. Look at Punk Hazard.
Lastly, the fact that Whitebeard could sink Marineford beneath the waves makes Gura Gura no Mi strong, not him. Blackbeard could achieve exactly the same thing. Coby probably too, if he got the fruit.
But now I do wonder. So what exactly, in your eyes, would Akainu need to do in that fight to be equal to Whitebeard?
Yeah and how did that all work out for those that stood up to Whitebeard?
well kuzan was about to take him out when Jozu saved him, kizaru did what ever he wanted except that first attack, when marco intervened, and akainu got the better of him, put few holes here and there, and burned his face! Black beard crew or not also put him out of his misery! Did'nt this thing take place or no? You know with all what is said and shown happened to akainu, the only person that marked that drsgon of a guy is Kuzan: his ear, neck and possibly his thorax and back. I suspect piece of his hand may be gone and he has lava fist, like kuzan ice leg.
Lets just put Newgate and Sakazuki in the same tier and call it a day.
Lets just put Newgate and Sakazuki in the same tier and call it a day.
lets not and continue to argue endlessly and insult one another because clearly it is more fun
Yeah and how did that all work out for those that stood up to Whitebeard?
Some better than others. Many were able to get close enough to stab and shoot him.
lets not and continue to argue endlessly and insult one another because clearly it is more fun
But question Fujitora's policy of work is funnier.
Lets just put Newgate and Sakazuki in the same tier and call it a day.
Can't argue with that.
So, back to our regularly scheduled chapter thread? It does have Sakazuki in it.
Which makes me want to ask: Why people think he is nothing next to Gorosei? And not meaning the height here. Personally I thought he stood up to them quite nicely, protecting interest of Marines.
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But question Fujitora's policy of work is funnier.
I would just like for it to be consistent, thank you.
But let's not open second can of worms, it's not like we are fishing and need more.
@Go:
No, actually. Not an ounce of fear in his eyes. He gets hit by WB from behind, grits his teeth, instantly gets back up, jumps and rips half of WB face off, get's hit in mid-air by WB, falls onto piece of rubble already broken off and falling down.
No grabbing by the collar, no being thrown into the air, no watching helplessly, no flying down.
Have to say, you calling me out on having rose tinted spectacles because of stuff that never happened makes you look like a bit of an ass.
You want facts based on manga I'll give you facts. He gets punched, grits his teeth, squirms in pain with blood trickling all over his face, he retaliates, takes inches off of WB's face, get's hit by attack number two that crushes his body, he screams in the next page in pain, he looks on helplessly as he falls into the cracks saying "damn you…Whitebeard!" the island is divided in half, Sengoku comments "to think you still have this sort of power in you even now?!" Whitebeard says "I'm not done yet"
This ain't no 10 day long battle this was Akainu getting two shot, yes two shot.
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Who are you to say a top tier should not go down from that? Maybe not, but then you have to account all the previous damage he took,even if he was back up again, that softened him up enough for that 1 final attack takting him out when he hit him headon…..
ammm akainu took some massive earthquake blows directly to his head and amm he remained conscious. Whitebeard took serious stuff and remained conscious, even if he died after, these people are top top guns, most importantly, not only did it not ko Hody steroids or not, it did not do much to doflamingo, who is no top top gun. He is a worm compared to people like yonko and admirals, and well he DOFLAMINGO breezed it off.
@Go:
Which makes me want to ask: Why people think he is nothing next to Gorosei? And not meaning the height here. Personally I thought he stood up to them quite nicely, protecting interest of Marines.
Maybe the Gorousei knows they wouldn't get a magma fist through their guts and because of that refuses to be put in their places.
Maybe the Gorousei knows they wouldn't get a magma fist through their guts and because of that refuses to be put in their places.
which of those geezers is the most impressive? Do we have any names as yet, of them?
Maybe the Gorousei knows they wouldn't get a magma fist through their guts and because of that refuses to be put in their places.
Man, wouldn't be hillarious if they finally manage to frustrate him enough to deal with them more decisively? My money's on Red Dog.
But I am surprised by how much Sakazuki cares. There is a lot of stuff to be said on him, but he genueninly seems to care about marines.
which of those geezers is the most impressive? Do we have any names as yet, of them?
Nope.
16 characters.
Soooo Darth came back.
Disgusting.
which of those geezers is the most impressive? Do we have any names as yet, of them?
I dunno but the one with the sword looks capable, atleast to me. These old geezers might be the final villains. Make them pull a Master Roshi and poof, strong villains lol
which of those geezers is the most impressive? Do we have any names as yet, of them?
The most intimidating one is the tallest dude that ordered Spandine to kill the Orahara archaeologist. Craziest one is probably the Soviet looking fella with marks on his forehead and is bald and looks super angry all the time. Calmest one is probably Mahatma Gandhi and looks like he's a swordsman. One that has blonde hair and looks younger than the rest seems laid back with his shirt buttons not done up. He's "cool". Jewish looking dude is my personal fave though 
What? I'm just reaffirming that we know nothing about these guys other than their appearances and the things they've said about contemporary events.
Soooo Darth came back.
Disgusting.
Three alts including one making a "waah you aren't my real dad anyway! I'm taking my ball and going home" post is some pretty good shit.
I dunno but the one with the sword looks capable, atleast to me. These old geezers might be the final villains. Make them pull a Master Roshi and poof, strong villains lol
I think they might end up as, but the one who do most of the talking is the one with the mustache and the blondie, but the mustache is the most rude, he told akainu his face is worth less than zero, might be luffy's opponent.
I have been thinking, we have never seen shanks fight, we don't know him really, could shanks end up being an enemy a real enemy to luffy if he survives kid and alliance? Imagine the ramifications, luffy, entire grasp of reality being twisted, and luffy was just a step being used by shanks for some sinister plan, mabe z words will have more weight, i know that was not cannon, but that mans sins, shanks emphasis that he is no saint but pirates, a creature like the impulsive Kaido backing out! Wonder how that would be treated on Ap forums.
I think they might end up as, but the one who do most of the talking is the one with the mustache and the blondie, but the mustache is the most rude, he told akainu his face is worth less than zero, might be luffy's opponent.
I have been thinking, we have never seen shanks fight, we don't know him really, could shanks end up being an enemy a real enemy to luffy if he survives kid and alliance? Imagine the ramifications, luffy, entire grasp of reality being twisted, and luffy was just a step being used by shanks for some sinister plan, mabe z words will have more weight, i know that was not cannon, but that mans sins, shanks emphasis that he is no saint but pirates, a creature like the impulsive Kaido backing out! Wonder how that would be treated on Ap forums.
Interesting but he wouldn't lose an arm over a little boy that he placed a bet on to become something great one day to then turn out to be some sinister guy. He also has a bad feeling when Ace goes after Blackbeard and asks Whitebeard to stop him, he has drinks with Ace when he finds out he's Luffy's brother. He doesn't retaliate when weaklings beat him up but goes batshit crazy when someone touches his nakama. He's basically an older Luffy. Twisting that around to make him a bad guy, as awesome as it would be, it's hard to imagine.
Year of Sanji, let's go!
@Go:
No, your tone is.
And Akainu could have destroyed whole Marineford as well if marines weren't there. Look at Punk Hazard.
Lastly, the fact that Whitebeard could sink Marineford beneath the waves makes Gura Gura no Mi strong, not him. Blackbeard could achieve exactly the same thing. Coby probably too, if he got the fruit.
But now I do wonder. So what exactly, in your eyes, would Akainu need to do in that fight to be equal to Whitebeard?
Note how Blackbeard ran away from Akainu and he had his entire crew with him.
Can you imagine Akainu and Whitebeard lasting 10 days?
I hate all the 1v1 talk, but from what I saw at marineford, if WBs goal was to follow Akainu to hell and kill him, he would have.
Interesting but he wouldn't lose an arm over a little boy that he placed a bet on to become something great one day to then turn out to be some sinister guy. He also has a bad feeling when Ace goes after Blackbeard and asks Whitebeard to stop him, he has drinks with Ace when he finds out he's Luffy's brother. He doesn't retaliate when weaklings beat him up but goes batshit crazy when someone touches his nakama. He's basically an older Luffy. Twisting that around to make him a bad guy, as awesome as it would be, it's hard to imagine.
ohhh dude, gonna make a theory and if its stupid will not post, but one question, apart from talk of the new era did he ever say specifically why he placed that wager? And its suspicious in hind sight, a guy like shanks losing an arm? To any fish like creature, that luffy at the the start of his journey bested in one blow, hmmmmmmmm, what oh what is Oda plotting with him?
It would be treated as an uncharacteristic twist for the sake of asspull writing that it is? Oda is a good enough writer to make sense of an unlikely conclusion like that but it'd be super difficult to undo the amount of problems that would cause.
We already Naruto for that.
ohhh dude, gonna make a theory and if its stupid will not post, but one question, apart from talk of the new era did he ever say specifically why he placed that wager? And its suspicious in hind sight, a guy like shanks losing an arm? To any fish like creature, that luffy at the the start of his journey bested in one blow, hmmmmmmmm, what oh what is Oda plotting with him?
For some reason I want to see this theory, I'm a sucker for theories lol he doesn't state why he placed the bet but since he passed down Roger's Strawhat to him and since Luffy as a kid would claim he will be King of the pirates one day, maybe the bet is he will become just that. Shanks will simply say he can keep the hat it suits him better 
but yeah Luffy burying his head in Shanks' chest crying about the fact he lost his arm for him and Shanks, like a father, reassuring him it's nothing. That's like one of my most favorite scenes in One Piece, I'd be heartbroken if Shanks turns out to be a bad guy lol. It won't happen, but the fact you even made me think of the possibility…
I personally think Blackbeard and crew being the end bosses is way too predictable imo. There does seem to be more to Shanks than meets the eye tho. I'm not saying he'll be a villain, but remember these people are pirates. Sometimes we forget that lol.
I personally think Blackbeard and crew being the end bosses is way too predictable imo. There does seem to be more to Shanks than meets the eye tho. I'm not saying he'll be a villain, but remember these people are pirates. Sometimes we forget that lol.
Yeah, that's right Roger apparently has killed pirates, Shanks and crew certainly have. He's not the innocent goody two shoes that Luffy is that's for sure. I wonder if Luffy will ever grow out of that.
Year of Sanji, let's go!
I personally think Blackbeard and crew being the end bosses is way too predictable imo. There does seem to be more to Shanks than meets the eye tho. I'm not saying he'll be a villain, but remember these people are pirates. Sometimes we forget that lol.
Being predictable is not a bad thing. It's all about the writing that leads to it.
After all, final bosses that come from nowhere are treated as even worse.
Being predictable is not a bad thing. It's all about the writing that leads to it.
After all, final bosses that come from nowhere are treated as even worse.
Yeah like kaguya asspull in Naruto.
Yeah, that's right Roger apparently has killed pirates, Shanks and crew certainly have. He's not the innocent goody two shoes that Luffy is that's for sure. I wonder if Luffy will ever grow out of that.
Well, he's certainly portrayed in a very positive light, laughing off a bottle smashed on his head and stopping a war while saving a young Marine.
He doesn't forgive those who hurt his friends though, but that's something shared with Luffy. I certainly wouldn't call Luffy an innocent goody two shoes either, just a bit more forgiving.
I personally think Blackbeard and crew being the end bosses is way too predictable imo. There does seem to be more to Shanks than meets the eye tho. I'm not saying he'll be a villain, but remember these people are pirates. Sometimes we forget that lol.
Do people actually want shanks as a villain ?_?
Hey its the return of "anything can happen in One Piece because IT'S ONE PIECE" bunch .
@Doffy.:
Hey its the return of "anything can happen in One Piece because IT'S ONE PIECE" bunch .
The rationale that has given the manga forum it's most comedic moments, at least.
Being predictable is not a bad thing. It's all about the writing that leads to it.
After all, final bosses that come from nowhere are treated as even worse.
But that's the beauty of One Piece. Look at how many people/factions are final boss candidates (heck look at that thread):
1. BB and crew
2. 5 elder stars
3. Admirals/marines
4. another Yonkou
5. that other Warlord
6. Dragon/Revolutionaries
7. One of the Supernovas (Maybe Kidd?)
Did I miss anyone? lol
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@Game:
Do people actually want shanks as a villain ?_?
I dunno. I'm just saying we don't know much about him. I wanna see more is all
So no one wants Shanks as a villain.
You are on a quest to become the Pirate Prince, and you decide your fate!
But that's the beauty of One Piece. Look at how many people/factions are final boss candidates (heck look at that thread):
And how many of them are developed as Luffy's foil , was the reason for causing one of the most significant event that changed One Piece world , who captured Ace and ultimately led him to his death , killed Whitebeard , went from being a nobody to a yonkou in less than a 2 years , is also the member of the worst generation and was foreshadowed to be taking down Luffy's MENTOR ? ….............. Yea thought so .
