@CosmicDebris:
Oh pfft, not a single one of those lines are anything of importance.
First of all, you say they don't use the script. Well Ta-da they do. I think Zolo telling Luffy failed him is pretty important emotional line.
It'll take some work, but I can present a pretty extensive comparison of how the dialogue in dub waters down, stupifies, alters, and sometimes completely changes the script in dialogue alone. Other people already track all the physical edits, which are so extensive that poor Cinder must have fried her brains with that site.
Pfft, the physical edits are either like it or not, justified or inconsequential to the plot. Before you give your dialouge comparasion, remember you have to think of this from TV producers perspective which mean have to placate to the general audience of American viewers, not knowledgable anime fans who knows Japanese in-jokes.
You're just assuming that they're sticking to the script because they have a translator? No my dear, they translate, and then the script writer changes whatever the hell he wants and puts in however many stupid jokes and puns it takes to turn an intelligent script into a bunch of bubble-child safe babble. :closedeyes:
If the lines comes from the original script then there is nothing bubble-child safe about it.
Why do you think it is that I really enjoy most anime dubs, even ones that most anime geeks complain about, but hate the 4kids dub? Does it ever occur to you that maybe they just really did an exceptionally lousy job with it?
I don't know. Lots of things. Predetermined bias? This is your favorite show? You don't hold other anime under the same scrutiny as you do One Piece? 4kids makes a perfect scapegoat? Blind to the fact that other companies do the same thing as 4kids? Does it occur to you that if you can micro-analyze everthing then you can find fault in everthing? They're doing a lousy job because you want to believe they're doing a lousy job…and you're an over-analyzer
And I don't micro-analyse the dub. You probably pay more attention to it than me, because I'm half trying to block out bad acting and puns just to get through it, if I watch it at all. It doesn't take much brain usage to hear a bad joke.
I don't micro-analyze the dub either. I just remember stuff from the original, use plain old fashion common sense, and I know how the cartoon tv game is played.
I can understand why Smoker, Miss Goldenweek, Whiskey Peak, and Toto where changed. Although Smoker is still silly. Isn't editing his cigars enough? Oh no, his name is Smoker! It'll make kids want to smoke because his name is Smoker!
Tell that to the parent watchdog groups and politicians who likes to harrass sponsors into supporting educational programming and yes their grasp reaches CN too. If you understand the name change then why do you have a heart attack everytime it occurs?
And I care about name changes because that's their names! If there's no reason for it, why do it? It's annoying chatting with another One Piece fan who doesn't know what you're talking about because they have different names.
Well, this is the society we live in. Somethings are not allowed for various other reasons. You should appreciate the fact that they kept it close to the original (Zolo for example)and not creating a totally different name