Posts made by Yxenz

@Captain:

Oda coloured the throne red on the cover of volume 90. Which was right there in Redon's post with all the download links. A little hard to miss.

In cases without Oda's art to compare with, the only real measure of what hasn't come out and intended is if it was altered for the Vivre Cards, which to my knowledge has only happened with Morgan, Helmeppo's original outfit and Vitan. Out of thousands of characters, the colour manga's track record is pretty damn good. I'd defer to it over the anime for colour accuracy.

(This is of course excusing cases where Oda himself has flip-flopped, so, Kuma's orange/blue clothes, Law's blue/black hair and Franky's blue/black Wano outfit, where the colour manga had to pick one side or the other)

Gosh, I missed the cover. My bad. I knew they kept track of A LOT of characters, even ones like Pearl that kept the original colours instead of the anime's. It's a shame that they changed Kuma's colour in his first appearance (it could have counted as a different outfit to me), but I understand that Oda changed the colours cause he liked the blue one better.
The fact that you can count only three characters talks about how much they care about this.

@Chrior:

Wait, the empty throne is red? :wassat: I … did NOT expect that. At all!

Well, is that Oda's actual planned colour? Who knows. I don't know if they are always picking the right colours. I think at least Morgan's colours were wrong.

Everyone talks about Robin, but what business would Chopper have outside Drum Island???

My bet is that given the case that he has a X Person chapter, it will be because of something similar to what we saw at Thriller Bark: he will get mad at the crew for not respecting a renown Doctor, or something like that.

@Shift:

Oh, well in that case: yes. Yes she is.

Please elaborate. My proposal is to explain why Carrot would be fit best as the last one. I believe we all agree that means to be the most awaited and one of the most special assets to the band.

@uniaka:

I still support sanji vs burgess because he is the mot proeminent member next to BB himself and Shilliew, just like it is with luffy, zoro, sanji. And role that is not fighting based doesn't count since we know nami will fight devon and lafitte brook.

But the fruit power burgess will get will sure make more clear who he is going to get. Like if he gets a bird, jimbe can't fight him, just sanji.

Well, don't blame Jinbe for his late appearance in the manga, but he's actually closer to Luffy than Zoro.

@Shift:

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Yeah, but. The point wasn't about the matches but if Carrot is special enough as to be the last one. Also, if the band will be complete as to match the BBs having into account that probably the last member will likely be super powerful and important.

@Solid:

Jinbei vs Vasco Shot, in my head canon Vasco shot is a drunken kung fu master, seawater vs alcohol, lol.

Jinbe VS Burgess is quite obvious. Helmsman VS Helmsman. Martial Artist VS Wrestler. Distance physical attack VS Distant physical attack. Shooting water through the air VS shooting air.

I think Carrot is the one with most chances of joining, and she's also my favourite candidate. I've been playing the devil's advocate here time ago, tho. And now I come back with a new doubt: Is she really that special as to make HER the last Straw Hat? Also, I've read theories thas she could match Devon in the final battle against the BBs, leaving Nami as the only Straw Hat whose VS hasn't been revealed yet. BUT, are Nami or Carrot special enough in regards to power and background as to be the counterpart of the last (and therefore, most intriguing and likely, one of the most powerful) member of the BB pirates? What can you say in favour of Carrot about these topics?

@King:

Nicknames mean nothing, you know.

Luffy only referred to Chopper as "Reindeer" during Drum. Same for Brook and Jinbe.

Oh, so I believe you're used to hearing "human" as a nickname, don't you now?

@Gia:

Oh, I dont know, how about her blatant "I've been aaiting for you for a long time" to Luffy and "I've been hoping you'll take me out to sea". Comments coming from her.

Oh, but that just comes with the same overlapping of Tama's connection with Ace, so you just didn't add up something new. What's in his personality that makes his popular?

@Deicide:

No, the logic behind that is that Law would have taken their hearts to force them to cooperate should they meet again. Law is smart and scheming, he's dealing with pirates and "pirate alliances never end well", so the hearts would be his failsafe. However, upon encountering Luffy in the New World, Luffy just colaborated with him without need of leverage. Also, Luffy treated Law as a friend all this time, never as a mere ally of convenience. But there was never need to use his little trump card, and being ultimately a good guy, Law would finally reveal what he did and give Luffy and Jinbe's hearts back because he now considers the Straw Hats his friends. It's a nice way to conclude their alliance.

Yea, but being that the case Law learned how he could trust Luffy back in Dressrosa, so that would be the perfect time he gave Luffy's heart back. Remember how he was ready to give his life away just to take Doflamingo down, and how he trusted the straw hats would defeat the shichibukai with no doubt.

Even when narratively and to the One Piece world taking Kaidou's head is much more important, to Law, the most important thing Luffy could do was to defeat Doflamingo himself and avenge his late beloved Corazon.

Plus, let's be honest, by the time he came to meet Luffy's actual personality and he stated that "an alliance is like being friends", he probably realised he could trust him, and would have given his heart back then (perhaps secretly in order not to look suspicious, though).

And in my opinion, at the end, Luffy will probably betray Law, in a childish way, but will do so anyway. Maybe this statement doesn't make so much sense but I feel it's gonna be like when they stole Skypiea's gold xD.

I don't think Law did that. Especially having into account that the alliance will no longer exist after they take Kaidou's head. He wouldn't just give the hearts back while patting on their backs saying "good job, here's your heart that I took from you two years ago without you even realising" xD.

@theackwardstation:

Obviously Black Beard.

Caribou already had a certain someone in mind from the beginning, and the most convenient person for the sake of the narrative is Blackbeard.

That would be quite troublesome. I bet Blacky would kill him just to get another powerful fruit to his crew (probably because Caribou is just too weak, he'll think it's better giving it to someone else).

What Robby says is what I meant. I mean, you can say it's just a cliché argument to say "what the fandom was thinking at 2007", but we can also say that you believe you see something that we don't, while we see it, but we just think this has already happened and it's not a confirmation that your candidate is gonna join.

You might say "oh but Carrot's case is different because this and that". But if WCI and Wano had come before Water 7 and Carrot hadn't joined, then now in Water 7 we'd be telling you "Paulie's not joining, the same happened to Carrot" and you'd say "yup, but this is different cuz Carrot didn't have a clear role in the band while Paulie is a foreman, and the straw hats are looking for one".

As I said before, secondary characters have different features that make them more nakamisables, but not all of them share the same features. You may see one on Carrot that other characters don't have, but that doesn't mean that she's joining.

I'll by that thing that Carrot is the ace under Oda's sleeve after we see the minks and she's not with them. By now, we can say she's just like Cockycent says Paulie was, a character who is there just to be the voice of their group.

Not being important since they entered Wano is a solid ground to say she's not joining.

As of now, I think a character who has nowhere to go nor tu return, just as Caribou, has more chances that Carrot right now. I don't mean Caribou is gonna join cause he's got a bad heart. But someone like that, someone who you think "the only thing this dude can do is to go with the SHs". Pretty much as what happened to Brook or to Robin. But this character should also probably have a key to the main plot of the series.

I'd like to add something. Now that you give me the "proximity isn't important" one. I want to ask you something. Would you really REALLY state that Paulie wasn't more developed than Lulu and Tilestone and the other at Galley La? Cause, you know, Sanji was developed more than Paty and Carne while standing on the very same plank on the Baratie than them. Same applies for Paulie.

Wiper also had this very same development and didn't join. Aisa was separated from the berserkers of Sky Island and didn't join. All of this characters have some development that Carrot didn't have, and Carrot has some development that these characters didn't have. That's because all characters are different and unique.

As Monquito states, if it's not planned that Carrot will join, it doesn't mean that she's gonna join only because she's logically the one with more chances. In Skypiea the one with more chances was Wiper and nobody joined.

This Monquito guy know what I mean.

I will say it again, speaking by emotion, I'd say Carrot will join cause I really love her. Thinking about it, that statement makes no sense. At least by what we've got by now.

Sanji was tagged along with Zeff, Paty, Carne, and the rest. Chopper was tagged along with Kureha. Jinbe was tagged along with the rest of the former prisoners during Marineford. Really, being near other characters doesn't mean a thing about your chances to join. And we've seen other characters alone who didn't join. We've seen characters like Mr. 2 who were highlighted and didn't join. We've seen the past of Wiper's ancestor and he didn't join. We've seen Tonjit alone and he didn't join. Gaimon was great meat for a SH and he didn't join. It's hard to say who will join, but I believe they must make a dramatic function within the band. And I don't mean their role within the Sunny, I mean what will they add to the plot?

I get your point. It's not as important from a screenwriting point of view as the other things I pointed out, but I get it. Just don't feel bad, I didn't call you square even to substitute an insult or anything, but if I got you offended, I'm really sorry.

@Cockycent:

Take note how I have never called you "a square" or referred to you as anything other than your name for this whole discussion. I've complemented you effort multiple times, but like others in the past, you've chosen to lose composure over a OP discussion.

If I reciprocate your energy, a MOD would magically interject and act as tho you didn't initiate it. There is a pattern here.

Dude, take it easy, calling you a square is no insult. I used that term to illustrate that you were picking an abstract concept such as "narrative" or "dramatic role" and coming with a much simpler and concrete concept such as physical proximity.

Carrot was with Pedro all along. Pedro died to show how tough the yonkou are and Carrot is just the mink in an arc in which including more minks with be only ridiculous.

Oh, my. Didn't know you were so square that you couldn't imagine that narrative facts don't give a damn about proximity. My whole point wasn't about proximity but about the role in the arc. But go ahead, you're free to think different than I.

I CAN ALSO EDIT: If I used emotion over logic, then I'd be saying Carrot is joining since I love her design, personality, fighting style, gags, and her synergy with the band. She would be one of my favourite SHs if she joined. But since she is taking less focus than a tree in Wano, and since I don't see any argument to make her remain with the band after this, I happen to believe that she's not joining.

I'm just copypasting this for you to read

"Ah, btw, of course the other foremen were near the scene on Water 7. It all happened in the same place, what did you expect? Kureha was in the same castle as Chopper all along Sanji was in the same restaurant as his fellas. Being close doesn't change the fact that the scene ain't the same. You're a joke, man."

I didn't know there was a rule that said you needda be more than 10 ft away from other people you know to join the crew! I think I missed that. Would you please, very please, tell me the chapter when this is stated? Dankeeeee!!!!

You kiddin right? In all those scenes he's seen alone and he's development is beyond the rest of the foremen's. Plus Carrot is always with Pedro xd. And when he died, she almost didn't appear even when she was on the ship besides to introduce the Sulong concept.

Using your arguments, Carrot's there only to go highlight Pedro's death via her emotion, and to introduce the Sulong.

Also, Paulie was a foreman. SHs were looking for one. Nobody's looking for a… watcher? Both have pros and cons, but in the end, they're more or less the same.

Ah, btw, of course the other foremen were near the scene on Water 7. It all happened in the same place, what did you expect? Kureha was in the same castle as Chopper all along Sanji was in the same restaurant as his fellas. Being close doesn't change the fact that the scene ain't the same. You're a joke, man.

@Cockycent:

When was Paulie away from his group and having 5 moments with the SH crew? It's very easy for me to say i'm wrong, just provide the ch. numbers

Away from his crew: Chapter 334 when we see him in his house. Also going to the headquarters with a mad expression.

Chapter 342: He's chosen to keep take care of the thing Iceburg was supposedly hiding.

Chapter 343: He's the first one after Iceburg to see the ones who shot Iceburg and questions them.

Chapter 344: He's fought the murderers and lost, but Lucci says he must die.

With the SHs:
Chapter 345: Luffy joins da fight.

Chapter 346: Luffy and him join the room where the CP9 to fight them.

Chapter 347: He fights Lucci on his own but gets beaten and saved by Luffy.

Chapter 348: He's still theeeeeereer!!

Chapter 349: You won't believe this: he hasn't disappear from the room out of nothing yet.

After a couple of chapters, we get more scenes in which he's with his group, but:

-He's made the decision not to tell anyone about Lucci being the traitor.
-He leads the group in order to help the strawhats.

Also note that during the night in Galley-La's headquarters, he's taken as the one who's supposed to follow the path of Iceburg, known as the most important carpenter in the whole city by the moment, which fits well with what the strawhats are looking for in Water 7.

Another also: He's got a unique fighting style.

Another another also: He holds a grudge against the main enemies of the saga, and takes serious cause…

Another another another also: He's got strong ties with his leader Iceburg, who was saved by Chopper, one of the SHs.

He's also seen ALONE when he sneaks in the Rocket Man, even when later we see Lulu and Tilestone came, too.

He's got a protagonist role in Water 7, and he's seen in more situations than Franky. Also Franky is thought as an enemy in that moment and the only time he saw Luffy, was during the fight against him. Therefore, Paulie could be seen to have chances to join. But then the Rocket Man trip and Enies Lobby come and he's as a decor in the background, just as Carrot in Wano.

You can do the same thing with Camie. But do it yourself this time, I'm feeling too lazy and surely you also can use Google pretty well, too

@Cockycent:

Would love to see 5 moments where Paulie is away from the Galley La group and having any moments with the crew

This happens every time I win the Carrot arguments
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Would you like to read Water 7 plz? There are plenty of scenes that highlight him. Not only with Luffy.

@K.:

I never know if taking Paulie's chances into account and comparing them to Carrot's is a sutil diss, or an earnest comparison.

It's just a comparison taking into account the role of both characters in a connected saga. Both of them have a protagonist role in the first arc, while they are less important than the landscape in the second. I liked the synergy between Carrot and the band, so I wanted her to join, but it's just illogical.

If Carrot has as many chances as Paulie, then Pekoms has the chances Iceburg had.

I like Carrot, even was Team Carrot joining the crew. But now I see her having the same chances Paulie had back in Enies Lobby. First we get a rather interesting approach, then the character is set to play a secondary role.

Why would Carrot have more chances to join if she was the traitor?

Well that's more or less what I implied, though it's not the point of anything that I said. Even if it's not confirmed, I think just as you tho.

Wouldn't it be fitting that the disinherited Prince fought the corrupted King? I mean, we don't have so much information about Alvaro Pizarro as to state this, but he could fight Sanji. Otherwise, I see Robin fighting this dude dunno why.

As for the next crewmate, now I don't see anyone by now. I would like Carrot but I just don't see it. And if there is actually another BB captain aside from Aokiji, this could be just as when the crew faced CP9 and Luffy took on both Blueno and Lucci. He could also take on two of the BBs, though that's not what I'd like, I believe it's possible.