Why would anyone think Kuzan will become a bad guy? He might be allied with BB for the moment, but he has an agenda and won't be on his side for ever.
Hell, he might even be part of SWORD. I mean, if you're going to infiltrate someone like BB, you can't just send some random fodder like a rear admiral, an ex-admiral is your best chance of success.
I agree. I still tihnk the battle agains Magmaboy was just a trick to make it seem kuzan was done with the marines.
the marines are a really weird group. All of their top fighters and high ranked ones are "good" people yet they support this entire celestial dragon bullshit? What are the marines gaining from it? They literally could just imprison them for slavery and take their wealth? Even the elders who are also celestial dragons seem to be "good" and completely different to your typical asshole? We didnt really see much from the World government at all :O
i cant remember but do Kaido and Big mom have conquerer haki? If yes then should they not be able to take out ALL the samurai ? Not a single one of them is actually strong except 1-2 scabbards
i dontz undersand why people still think law as a rival? Kidd was clearly shown as a rival for now but we have to see how the fighting goes for him but law is completely side linen by luffy and overshadowed by luffys power. i believe that the new monster trio already far surpassed law in actual combat power and law only has his werid df going for him which seems to not really help him agains top tier enemies.
I dont think zoro is part of a family. But if he is than his green hair must play a role. Are there any colored versions of the family?.
Also… are the marines not currently "fighting" the 7 samurais ? I cant imagine that the marines have the ressources to take part in a war with 3 Yonkos (counting luffy) and a samurai faction they should not have any knowdledge of their power level while also fighting people like mihawk who would need atleast an Admiral level fighter to be taken care of and stuff like the kuja warrios which are a small army.
This is the one big chance for Zoan users to shine in this series, so I don't particularly mind myself.
There is nothing to shine with if all zoans do is boot your normal powers. And seeing how kaidos top 3 guys only have dino fruits it doesnt seem likely that we will see cool mythical ones
There currently is still no good reason why exactly the strawhats would actually attack the world government. Everything which seems to be wrong about them is a internal matter which should be resolved by the good sides of the world government (right now its the marines higher up who seem to be good).
Icant imagine anything about the void century or what what One piece actually is which warrents the strawhat going after the world government.
Hello, I have been a long time Lurker, and
Things We know.
One Piece exists, it is a physical thing that isn’t some metaphor like Gol D. Roger’s hat or Friendship or something along those lines, and what is there is something that would throw the world into chaos, and whatever is there is connected to “The Men with D in their names.” (Chapter 576, Pages 10-11)
We also know that The world government was deathly afraid of Gol D. Rodger after he made it to Laugh Tale, Renamed him to Gold Rodger, and attempted to scour his bloodline from existence. (Chapter 576, Page 10. Chapter 551 Page 6.)
We know that there was an Ancient Kingdom that predates the World Government, one that at some point had become powerful enough to Dominate the Planet, and eventually that The Group that would be known as the current World Government under the control of the Celestial Dragons/Imu.
My Theory.
! The Ancient Kingdom ruled the world, and much like the World Government they ruled from the Red Line, which was artificially created by “Continent Pullers” such as Oars. The rulers of this Kingdom were the clans who had D. in their name.
! Each generation each clan of D would send their strongest member to the end of the Grand Line to be judged, the most worthy of them claiming the crown of“King of the World” for that generation. This meant that even if the person in charge wasn’t fully good they were strong and bold enough to find the 4 Road Poneglyphs and make it to the True Final Island.
! This created a mostly stable system until the centuries before the Void Century,Where I think that we had two brothers from the same clan, one of which truly desired to be King of the World, the other who didn’t have a particular desire for power and fame, but wanted to see the world. We will use the name Pepsi and Coke for these two respectively. Pepsi for the one who wanted to rule, and Coke for the one who wanted to explore.
! Much like Teach,Pepsi wanted power, but when pushed into a corner he would scream in pain and cowardice. This made him “Not a True D.” as Whitebeard Called Teach.(Chapter 576, Page 11). He and Coke set out to make Pepsi the King of The World in his generation, with Coke effectively carrying him the entire way as his second in command.
! When the Brothers reached what would become known as Laugh Tale, Pepsi thought that he would be crowned King, however the being in charge of Laugh tale at the time chose Coke who was “A real D.” This enraged Pepsi.
! Now there are two possible paths that this could take, One Possibility is that Im is Pepsi and that he formed the World Government as a power grab to put himself on The Throne, but that leaves the question as to why hide that Im is in charge, why do the whole Empty Throne thing?
! I believe that when Pepsi tried to take the mantle of King of the World, it caused a full on Civil War in the Ancient Kingdom, and Im or Im’s ancestor used this Civil War to gather 20 Nations together and overthrow the entire Ancient Kingdom, putting his family “on the empty throne” while setting up the conspiracy to hide that someone was ruling the world.
! Why would Im or Im’s family do this? Well it is easier to keep countries in line if they don’t know they are being ruled by a dictator, completely erasing the history of the D. Clans and the contest for The Last Island. The only remnant of what once was is what would be known as Laugh Tale, but I also think that there is something to do with the Straw Hat under Mary Geoise, something that only those who carry the will of D. and have gone to Laugh Tale can trigger.
! Centuries later Gol. D Rodger finds out he is sick and decides “I want to go to the end of the Grand Line.” gets to the end and finds out that there is something hidden in the world, then goes to Laugh Tale and finds out the story of the Ancient War, and decides that the World Government should fall, but he can’t because he is ill, so he entrusts it to others, calling out from his execution platform that “Everything I have I left at the end of the Grand Line.”
! That was Rodger’s plan, a plan to bring another D, one who isn’t dying to Laugh Tale and overthrow the World Government. That is why he turned himself in,because he knew the Government would make a big show of killing him..so he used that against The World Government to bring another member of the D. Clans to Laugh Tale, someone young and powerful enough to fight against the World Government.
! Also..there is probably a crap ton of Gold and Jewels there..because Luffy and crew deserve some bling because we all know Luffy doesn’t care much about Politics. He is gonna punch Blackbeard and Im in the face anyways because they are gonna deserve it by the end..but Luffy still deserves a giant pile of Gold, and likely what is going to happen if Luffy ends up as King of the World..is that he dumps it on Vivi saying something along the lines of "I don't wanna be king cause that doesn't sound like fun, Vivi is a princess she can do it kay BYE!"Other people who I think are in on the in on the secret.
! Garp – I think Gol D. told him like he told Whitebeard. Gol D. trusted Garp as much as he trusted anyone in his crew, and knowing what is at the end of the Grand Line would give him a reason to want Ace and Luffy to be “goods strong marines.” We know he dislikes the Celestial dragons, he wished to either have Ace and Luffy to rise to the station of Admirals and use the power of the marines to overthrow the Celestial Dragons.
! Sengoku – This one I am less sure on, but he and Garp were close friends so Garp may have let him in on the plan to use Ace or Luffy to bring down the World Government and establish a more fair form of justice.
! Doflammingo – He knows a secret that the Five Elders are so afraid of being revealed that they are willing to bend over to his will despite being a Pirate in League with Kaido, and in my opinion a Hat isn’t really enough to justify The Celestial Dragons getting blackmailed,
! Marco – We know that Whitebeard knew what was at Laugh Tale, and Whitebeard was going into an all out war when the crew went to Marineford and there was no promise that he would get out alive. Given that Laugh Tale and the Will of D are connected Whitebeard would have been a complete fool to not tell somebody the secret because they needed Ace to get to LaughTale.
! Xebec – Probably had some idea as to what was there, implied to Gol D. that there was something at the end of the Grand Line and started the entire story.TD:LR
! The Person who reaches Laugh Tale gets to be King of the World, Im is a usurper who is trying to prevent someone from getting the crown so he can Rule “The Empty Throne.”
! Also there is gold there, because Luffy doesn’t want to be King of the World.Okay Arlong Park go rip it all to shreds, sorry if the formatting is goofy I wrote it up in Libra Office.
The only problem with these kind of theorys is…. Why would the "simple" information about the past and the fact everything is ruled by 1 supreme king shake the world and bring chaos? These things dont sound bad enough to remove the world goverment . Maybe the current World governemtn was bad in the past but these were not the same people who are ruling now (also nobody seems to give a fuck about the Celestian dragons which are as evil as possible).
Also Rayhleigh told luffy to get the information and create his own opinion on it meaning it cant just be black and white
Not sure how I felt about King and Queen, since originally I thought King would be the smart type like Benn Beckman and Katakuri to make up for their captains relatively lack in this department. but then King and Queen literally showed up calling each other stupid.
That being said, since the number of competent fighters in the Ninja-Pirate-Mink-Samurai Alliance currently vastly outnumbering the Beasts Pirates, I have a hard time seeing King and Queen being taken down by Zoro and Sanji without help. I mean as of now, there are only FOUR competent fighters in the Beasts Pirates ffs, and their Headliners and Gifters are all seemingly fodder-tier joke. (not counting supernovas like Drake and Hawkins of course, because there is a 100% chance of betrayal here.) This is very different from BM pirates where there are around 20 or 30 competent fighters, so everyone could realistically get a 1v1.
Well the arc just started. They must have competent DF-Users prior to SMILE or they would not have been strong enough. There is also the Samurai side. We didnt see a single Samurai of Orochis faction yet right? Atleast not in action
I think it has the same flaw as smiles but severely reduced, it's hard to control. Momo can't change his forms even though even child chopper could swap between the forms fine. DF's are never really shown to be hard to use the base form as far as i remember.
Luffy was completely unable to controll his rubber power so yeah, dont see the failure in vegapunks df yet
@zakzoro98 pls use the normal letters for your walls of text. Its hard to read.
i am the only one bugged by the fact that both zoro and luffy left the woman alone who was originally attacked by teh arrows while batman is still there and could kill her at any moment? Of couse next chapter he will propably have chased zoro and luffy but they could not have known that?
i just hope oda does not turn every supernova into a "friend" of the strawhats
If they start to show moe of lucci and kaku i seriously hope he atleast tries to find an explanation why the top assasins of the government didnt know anyform of haki or were trained at it. In fact lucci is reminding me how much i hate that stupid nonsense but whatever
i hope i am not the only one noticing how oda heavily tries to never show the marines together with a celestial dragon while he performs an "evil" action?
Like what is the stance of the marines when a celestial dragon clearly orders his own guards to assault a royal member of the reverie all invitet by the world government and marines.
DFs always working on water itself when using from outside of it. Remember that kuzan froze the entire water around marineford with his fingers when he fell down the attack.
that make no sense for me that she was bullied for having 3 eyes. look at all the freak in that place and having 3 eye is weird? doent make any sense
Imo is pretty clear that Sanji will get a huge power-up from this arc, which will be the awakening of his super-human powers (like the rest of his brothers)/
Sanji is alrealdy super-human. He is stronger than 99% of all people in one piece and he clearly beat the shit out of his brother and was about to kick the other brother to a pulp. Sanjis "potential" already awakened during his life , he just needed a few more years compared to his brothers. I cant really see any power up here. that would just cheapen his training all thee years.
wasnt wano also called strongest ? or was it just called so strong that they can be independent?
im blind? on which page do we see kidd as a prisoner?
anybody else thinks this completly makes the "hunt" for one piece an unfair battle? doesnt matter how strong you are when you dont have a translator(who all died except 1)? that really cheapens the actuall goal cause once again a maincharacter simply has the bigges advantage :/
why does everyone want sanji and zoro to have CH? Its cheap and boring if everyone and their mother has something like that. You should not need a specific haki-masterie to be top in the one piece world. Hell maybe oda might surprise us with a yet unknown haki not even people in the new world know about? Cause what zoro did show with his "aura" is pretty much only to him for what we know
But isnt Akainu kind of like Smoker? He is actually one of the marines who i think would turn agains the celestian dragons and the world government. Hell we just saw how he confronts his higher ups and that he doesnt like there "games". And as a matter of fact, he actually never did anything "EVIL" to be a final Villain. What has he done to make him a Villain? Nothing
Hell he is much more sympatic than any other marine right now cause he actually cares about justice , even if its a little extreme.
Hell Sengoku was much more "evil" as supreme admiral then akainu ever will.
Don't insult the great scientist Caesar. He is not full of himself and is perfectly aware that most children will die. http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v69/c685/11.html
Of course, it also means that he is not nakama material.As for the Shinokuni, unless you expect him to save everyone he himself attacked, it is lethal. It just takes it's time killing you. Kinda like candy actually, even if significantly faster.
I wonder how many prisoners have helped Luffy without him wanting to make them his Nakama.
Luffy will probably not hate him as much as he originally did(Just like with Mr 3 or Buggy), but actually asking him to join the crew is pretty much impossible.
Oh did not remember that quote of Caesar. Well that eliminates my dream :( He actually had like the perfect Df for strawhats and the most interesting logia up to now
@S.C.:
There is a slight difference in morality from being a thug and gang leader to experimenting, drugging and killing children.
well i might remember wrong but maybe caesar is just so full of himself that he doesnt think he could ever fail at his experiments thus would not hurt the children(he might even think he was helping them). Might be a loop. Like i said, dont remember if he ever said he doesnt care if the children die. Hell even his super dangerous weapon of mass destruction was NOT lethal. It simply stun them with the chance to return them to normal.
Aside from all the awful things Caesar did, he also has the dream of becoming the best scientist in the world (or at least defeating Vegapunk, which is the current best scientist). So for op logic he could technically fit in, but it also depends on wether Luffy wants him or not, and for now he clearly doesn't
Well Caesar is on an adventure right now with the weaker part of the crew + sanji. He was asked to help and most likely will eventually "save" and fight with the strawhats even if its for his own survival. That might make change luffys opinion
ehm they dont really know Caesar right? You think Franky was the kind of person luffy wants for his crew the first time we saw him? Totally not. Franky was an asshole who destroyed the dreams of others, But Views can change over time.
Caesar just needs a backstory for why he did these experiments and whatever. But just how they interact i cant image luffy to "handover" caesar to the marines and caesar is wanted by Bigmom and most likely even Kaido so he needs protection.
After this Chapter im quite sure that Caesar is next nakama…. He already interacts like a real member and he fits the strawhats perfectly with his character and ability.
isnt there still the problem that half of dressrosas citizens are simply assholes ? Just look at their behavior at the colloseum and especially towards rikus granddaughter…. thats something which should be addressed
what , insects can fligh long distances compared to their size
There are so many ways for oda to make sense of that unstoppable birdcage. Flamingo could have used somehow seastone as a material or whatever but his standard abilitiy being so powerful?? If ya cant cut his cage then you dont stand a chance in a fight agains him which basicly means he should be so much stronger then an admiral, which obviously isnt the case.
Btw why isnt fuji using gravity to block the movement of the cage?
If zoro doesnt easily cut birdcage it will be a big fuck up. Birdcage propably doesnt have haki and its still just strings. One who s entire fighting style is about cutting should be able to cut stringt who arent even connected to flamingo anymore . If he cant even cut the birdcage , zoro would not even stand a chance agains doflamingo in a real fight (zoro should atleast put up a good fight)
And again everyone is watching the birdcage and waiting for luffy to beat flamingo ? rly? should they not try to beat the birdcage? should not be hard for zoro or others….
Why isnt any Strawhat moving to help Luffy? Zoro should be already running towards him cause he is the only one who is not damaged at all. They all know the current situation with law ,doflamnigo and that its currently a 1vs2 but still no one wants to help? I dont like these "lets just watch" moments in one piece :/
i always imaged caesar turning good
he is the only interesting one and has a cool power
Diamante looks extremly weak right now compared to the other officers :/
The 'normal people' will probably change their tune once they start remembering all the people who've been turned into toys.
But we're not going to have our end-of-arc party until the crew is reunited at the very least anyway.
yeah but still doesnt change the fact that they want to see that girl die painfully just cause they "think" her grandfather is a bad guy while cheering for terrorists and murderers lol.
A simple "sorry" should not work here like it did in Fishman island with their human hate.
i wonder what will happen at the end of the dressrosa arc? This isnt like alabasta where they can party at the end. In Dressrosa the normal people are bad to the bones(atleast the ones in the coloseum) . So how are the Rikus going to be at the end?
yeah of course but these 2 should be an easy fight for sanji cause these guys are certainly not Commanders of Bigmom and sooner then later sanji should be beating Commanders and not be matched by "standard fighters" of big Mom
why is everyone thinking Pekoms and tamago are actually strong? These guys are the Rockstars of Bigmom, they are better dishwashers, bringer her the Candys she wants. You think she would actually send out her strongest fighters to bring her candy?
no way in hell. You cleaqrly saw how much stronger the marines + schichibukau would have been if everyone would have fought to their limit instead of playing around.
the Strawhats are not outnumbered because they actually have Chinjao on their side + Cavendish+Barto+Becca and if it gets to it i think Burgess will also fight against Doflamingo to get the fire df and to "help" luffy, thats totally in character for Blackbeard. On Doflamingos side are currently just 5 Strong guys (Mingo,Admiral, 3 Seats).
Alsowhen we look at the events right know luffy will likely stop the tournamewnt leaving only burgess there to beat Diamand, who is hyped as fuck by mingo…
Not yet and I personally don't see his comment the way you do
Yeah Sanji doesnt have a tricky power for him but i dont think mingos fruit is tricky either. Its simple as a String Fruit can be. He obviously use it in cool ways like cloudhanging but his fighting style sure isnt anything tricky as far as we have seen. I donmt think you can give the excuse of not knowing your enemys fighting style anymore.
Actually why exactly didnt Law told them about the abilities of Mingos crew? ^^
I also found it odd. He has gone to G5 just to save him after all.
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Sanji have the excuse of not knowing Dofla's power.
Well DD doesnt know about Sanjis powers too ;) Thats not an excuse.
well there could be many reasons. The easiest one would be to make bellamy look good and one possible reason could also be that his barriers disappear after being "touched" once so 2 attacks with a minimum distance to each other would mean the first destroys the barrier while the second will hit or whatever
It looked like Bellamy figured out how to defeat Bart's devil fruit in the end. Grabs. I think his barrier fruit can only deflect blows. Grabs and throws probably still work. You'll notice Bellamy is grabbing his collar at the end and Bart looks a little worried while Bellamy seems to be gaining confidence. Seems to me that the King's punch saved Bart by taking out Bellamy.
That doesnt make any sense. In order to grab someone you have to attack him which is the same movement when you try to hit someone. If he can block your Hand trying to punch , he can also block your hand trying to grab you.
I think that Bartolomeo's fruit only works when he provokes people to attack him, so this is the reason he acts like a troll.
im sure something like that will never happen. To much disadvantage the owner cant work around for a DF. No fruit till now has such a freaking weakness.
@krule274:
That sneaky bastard…
Why would he have it if he isn't gonna use it? Some characters have weapons and only use them occasionally, but if he's just a kid, why would he be carrying a weapon if he isn't at least somewhat skilled with it, and why wouldn't he use it if he's skilled with it? Not trying to down your theory, but it just doesn't make sense to me.
His father is a proud swordmans who obviously tries to teach his son the art of swords so even if monosuke doesnt like it he probaply would have a sword with him just cause of his father
but so nearly every df could be logia- Waxlogia, ironlogia, rubberlugia and so on. Nowhere its written that logias are only natural forces or something close to it.
I actually think that Oda goes the other route in the New World. The main benefit from being a logia is the intangibility, which lost value in the New World due to the presence of haki. Before the timeskip one could argue that Logia's still have their mass destruction, but with the introduction of swamp, gas, snow (and smoke being "inferior" ever since) I doubt that the statement logia > all is still the case.
Zoans scale with the strength of its user, and now we are in the New World. Someone with a freaking turtle zoan is one of Big Mums top fighters, now imagine what could become of X-Drake or any other predator zoan on that level of strength.
As for paramecia's, I consider them even more useful than a logia now. At least I would prefer a freakish hax ability over turning into a questionable element like swamp or smoke.
I acutally like the swamp fruit. Atleast its still better then Smoke or darkness.
It grants you the ability to "stuff" in anything like we saw much like Blackbeards power which can be pretty useful. The user was just a total weakling. Just image Akainu who swampfists anyone and they disappear into the swamp-universe. Thats much more useful then killing fodders with lava.
i think its just the kid being stupid or even as simple as not kniwing that he can. Chopper new about dfs so he had an advantage. But this man-made Fruit is just the next steop from fruits on objects. But now how high are the chances for a original dragon df?
But jeez to many logias showing up. They are the strongest kind of fruits but pls dont overruse this shit. A snow-zoan would have been much cooler T_T