@TLC:
He's proven his skills as a great merchant. That's all we need. We don't need to go into details about trade agreements. It's a hell of a lot more of a plan than just attack everyone.
… No it isn't? Ability to make money for yourself means nothing, when it comes to actually running a country. Not to mention that we have seen his skills at predicting the movement of his enemies were not so great.
The guy missed the entire coalition being made against Qin, and you say he will be able to create a situation when nobody will invade them ever?
@TLC:
Germany was broke as fuck after World War I and all the countries were pillaging it for resources. Their lack of resources and poverty necessitated appointing a madman as their leader in their desperation.
Yes, because rulers from ancient times are known to be best examples of sanity. And you are dodging the fact that said situation counters your arguments.
@TLC:
My assumptions are far less than yours.
I highly doubt that.
@TLC:
Also I don't know where you're pulling this trading is despised in ancient China. It's never been mentioned once in the series. If that's really how it was in real life (which I highly doubt because it makes no sense), it's irrelevant because if it were something so big, it would have been mentioned by the characters.
Yes it was. It is in big part why Ryufui was villified after his death. And not by Qin, mind you, by their enemies. And class differences are mentioned plenty.
@TLC:
Would have been a hell lot more convincing than Sei's pretentious rabble. And of course the plan isn't fucking foolproof, no plan is, that doesn't need saying, but it's far more feasible, practical and taking into account human psychology than Sei's idealistic bullcrap does.
It is neither more feasible nor more practical. And if you think it takes into account actual human psychology, then you have not studied human psychology.
We have seen motivations behind most of the wars thus far. How, in your opinion, would Ryufui's plan prevent all that?
@TLC:
Well that's up to Diplomacy isn't it? Not pissing off the country until you managed to establish a trade they can't do without. NO country is going to attack a country whose economic resource they are highly dependent on. Look at the US and how much it bends itself for oil. Again, of course this plan is not foolproof but it's far more reliable, sensible and FAR LESS cost-effective (as in nobody has to die).
You seem to have missed few things. Like the fact that the situation like can't be established within the realms of Ancient China. There are no trade goods that would be a necessity that other powers can't produce on their own. Ryufui even realizes that, saying that he will keep the foreign powers from attacking Qin by bribing people with gold.
Because as we all know, you can trust corrupt politicians that just betrayed their own homeland.
Not to mention that Ryufui's method just strengthens the status quo. He himself states that wars can't be ended. So people will still die, even if his plan is followed true, and if it actually works. Which, btw, everything in the series thus far points that it won't.
@TLC:
There is no logic to Sei's plan, there isn't even a plan. It's idealistic tripe with no practical solution. "I believe in the integrity of humanity so much, I will needlessly sacrifice their lives to achieve my selfish goals even though I've been presented with a solution that would result in no loss of life but it won't work because of the possibility of corruption even though I just said I believe in human integrity so much!"
When you put it like that… it sounds as if you haven't read the manga.
Also, you continue to say needlessly sacrifice. If Sei is right, than he has more than enough of a cause.
@TLC:
Ironically it just makes look Sei like a hypocrite because he's supposed to be the guy that cares about human life and Ryofui is the utilitarian yet their plans are the complete opposite of their ideals lol
… No, it doesn't? Actually, if you read most of works regarding authoritarism, you will see that most of it has very idealistic roots. And Ryofui was never utilitarian. He is opportunist.
And yes, if Sei actually cares about human life, he would go with his plans. Mostly since Ryufui's plan at best guarantees safety to Qin. Other state would still wage wars. People would still die. Of course, they would die with more gold coins in their pockets, because that's what counts...
@TLC:
No, that's not an answer. I want to know what you're talking about with what China had to do. Give practical examples and tell me what that has to do with the current economic stability of the country reliant on mutually beneficial trade between foreign countries.
Perhaps you would like a rundown of crimes against humanity that China commited in order to reform their country to were it is now?
Or all the breaches of ethics they are commiting everyday to keep it up?
Economic stability? Sure. At the cost of morality and their own bloody people. It is not some glorious utopian state, they are paying in blood for it!