Posts made by unchipu

@makaveli80:

The Gates of Justice are MASSIVE, it would take hundreds of Giganto Gatlings to budge it even an inch

Look at it http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/548/06/

once Luffy gets to Marine HQ, he will have laid waste to two of the main 3 places Marine's control….EL was demolished by the buster call, ID is in pieces with hundreds of prisoners escaping, and now he's heading to marine HQ....the trend continues and Marine HQ will be in ruins

And with WB and crew heading there as well, it's pretty much certain that it will.

@The:

I'd like to think that his plan will somehow bring him to one of the ancient warships like Pluton and Poseidon.

THAT would cement his status as a world threat.

That's actually quite an interesting thought. Impel Down is underwater so it has the water connection to Poseidon. Plus BB seemed to know that Skypeia existed, so maybe he visited there once and knew of the Poneglyph.
I guess the question is whether or not ID was built by the people who had the ancient weapons, so they could hide Poseidon there without the WG knowing.
The other possibility is that the WG knows about Poseidon, but are hiding its existence from the rest of the world, and somehow BB found out about it. Which could explain his reason for wanting to become a Shichibukai, so it would be easier for him to gain access to ID.

Just to add to this jet gatling discussion, I think something to keep in mind is that Lucci was basically dead in the water when he was hit with the jet gatling. It's not like he was at full strength. He had already taken the full damage from the gigant pistol, and had been fighting Luffy for a while.

@Ero_Sennin:

Is it too late to have them animate the whole Baroque Works cover story and maybe do Enel's cover story while we are at it?

I think there might be a pretty good chance this happens. I remember the Coby cover story happening while the strawhats were between islands in the Grand Line. Timing for the BW cover story might be good too, considering Impel Down.
In any case, I seriously doubt the anime will ever fully catch up to the manga. I remember a couple times in the past when it got close, but they always delayed the anime, whether that meant adding 10-20 episodes of filler, or taking 1-2 week breaks between episode airings.

@dwo:

What I did never understand is this poison thing. In their fight Crocodile touched Luffy with poison. Is Luffy immune against poison?

Luffy is definitely not immune to poison. He was clearly feeling the effects of Croc's poison, and was almost killed by it. Luckily Robin had the antidote to the poison and saved Luffy.

It seems significant that Chopper and Robin are in the Blues, and not the Grand Line. How are they going to get back and join the crew? How will Robin escape being a slave, etc.

IIRC, Robin hasn't had her "The Xth member" chapter yet, and neither has Chopper. Maybe there will be some grand arc about the two rejoining the crew, and they'll get the "Xth" chapter when they eventually do.

I think it was Doflamingo's symbol.

I never said they were the same, just similar. Both have a large circle in the middle and 4 satellites connected via lines. It's shown quite clearly in this Ch. when he flips off kid. I just thought it might be interesting if he had a connection to the WG.

I haven't really been following the boards so closely so I'm not sure, but has it been discussed that Law's tattoo on his hand resembles the WG symbol? I'm kind of curious if he has a link to them, like he was a former CP agent or something.

@dwo:

So you say Brooke will

1 follow Luffy to the end of GL
2 cross the calm belt and then pass reverse mountain again

Tell me, why did the SH drive the grand line the false direction? Why did they not just used the other way on reverse mountain, then they would have been "at the end of grand" line at once.

So, something logical is missing here. Can anyone help me?

There is only 1 way down Reverse Mountain. That which leads to the Twin Peaks. The real question is why the Marines, who have those special seastone boats haven't reached Raftel yet. If they don't need to worry about the sea kings, all they need to do is row.

@Impel:

Yeah, what you described is like flan, except flan is more like custard, not really pudding.

That's what they call pudding. It's made pretty much exactly like custard. I think the full name in Japan is "custard pudding."

@natli:

^ Really? Could you tell me in which chapter Usopp talks about all those stories? (I forgot ^^)

Great start for the arc, btw.

I'm not sure of the chapter number, but it's the one where the Usopp Pirates are disbanded, and they're remembering all the "adventures" they had. It wasn't a story Usopp told, just they were chasing after a dog they called Cerberus.

@mugiwara:

The moon is waxing and waning almost too perfectly for this to be a coincidence.

Except the waxing and waning are backwards (for our moon, waxing/waning always begins from the right side of the moon and goes to the left). I'm not sure if that's intentional on Oda's part though.

@ero_seinen:

just to say that 3 colas allows the ship to fly for 1 kilometer away!!! francky also have 3 colas in his stomach O.O frigging destruction power!!!!!!

They use 3 barrels of cola in the Thousand Sunny, whereas Franky uses 3 bottles. Pretty big difference in volume there.

Hopefully all these questions will be answered in the next 1 or 2 chapters. Really can't wait!

As far as I know, Oda never denies that rumble balls could work on other DF users (including non-zoans). That said, didn't Chopper mention that it took years to find and control the other four points? I highly doubt that any others would be able to control the power of the rumble ball right away. Also, although it is never denied that the rumble balls could be used on non-zoans, it seems almost impossible to predict what their effects on such DF users would be.

@Greg:

Hmmmm…...

Just an idea.

So uh, what exactly was the point of Coby explaining the crossing? Tie up a loose end? Okay. Cool. Didn't really ask for it but that was nice of Oda....but why did Nami have to hear that?????

Think there's a possibility for some adventures outside the GL?

(it has indeed occurred to me that this may have been brought up before so I apologize if this idea was already beaten to death)

Isn't the whole point of the sea beyond the Gates of Justice that there are large sea kings there (like those found in the calm belts), and the Marine HQ ships have a way to navigate those seas? It's possible that there are more of these giant sea king nests in the GL, and at some point the SHs might have to navigate them.

@Fanservice:

[Cut+pasted from the closed thread]

In this chapter, Robin (although it was not shown in any panel) joined the crew's meat-eating competition and judging from the crewmember's remarks, it seems that she has a huge appetite.

I've come up with a logical explanation as to how she was able to do this despite the fact that she has a slim figure and she seemingly does not do enough activity to lose weight.

With her devil fruit powers, she can be able to "grow" other stomachs, esophaguses, intestines, etc. in order to transfer the food she eats to other places. She can also have them digest the food for her so that she keeps her figure while having an enormous capacity for food intake.

Please bear with me. I'm just bored.

You know, when I read that part, I interpreted it to mean that Robin was going to try and make the funny face that Luffy did (mouth filled with meat, chopsticks in the nostrils).

@meujeudom:

well Franky IS also a musicien so I don't think another one will be needed.

the crew have all the officers it need. I'm hoping for some basic crewmen, or secondary people. The 2 girls from Franky familly for exemple. Yokozuna. or others non importants peoples. I want the strawhats to give orders…
but I know it's not likely to happen.

Franky can play an ukulele, and kind of sings. It doesn't make him a musician, just as Usopp hammering planks onto the Going Merry doesn't make him a shipwright. The crew still needs to fill the position of musician, but who knows when that will come.

A big reason why none of the 4 emperors have reached it yet is probably that if one makes a run for it, the other 3 might try and stop them. I guess you can think of it like the Cold War (except 4 major powers instead of 2).

Something that could change the outcome of the battle is whether or not Ace's ability requires the presence of combustibles, oxidizers, etc. Or if he can just conjure up the "effect" of fire, ie the heat/energy release. If the latter is the case, then it's a pure question of how much heat can Ace release vs. how much heat can Aokiji suck up (if indeed Aokiji's ability is to absorb heat and not control ice). If that amount depends on mastery, and assuming they have equal mastery, it would end up as a stalemate.

@Greg:

Exactly.

How is this like that in any way shape or form.

Luffy didn't know about his dad. (or that he had one it seems -_-;)

Luffy has no vendetta against his dad.

This news changes nothing for Luffy.

Dragon is not an enemy of Luffy.

Dragon and Luffy face the same enemy.

Dragon showed up in the present story once briefly and saved Luffy.

Any connections to Star Wars are laaaaaaaaaaaame.

Just because OP didn't knock you the frick out of your seat or because you were wrong isn't a point to label the revelation a copy of something else. It just makes one look bitter. And…it's a comic book we're talking about.

While criticism rocks, complaining and groundless comparisons are just kind of silly.

I think I said pretty much the same thing a few pages back (in not so many words), and for some reason the topic has come up again.

@Ah1Tm4N:

1. Dragon if he has the weather fruit
2. Ace/Aokiji/Enel
3. Smoker/Crocodile

I would say Ace would be the most powerful if there is no limit to how hot he can become. I suppose that in a direct fight between Ace and Enel, they could draw since fire and electricity both forms of energy. In theory though, Ace should be able to burn/melt everything made of matter. Even smoke is made up of microscopic particles which should be flamable, or at least can be disintegrated with enough heat. The other question about Aokiji is does he control cold (sucking up heat), or does he control ice. Ice can be melted, but if he is just an infinite heat-sink, his power and Ace's could be mutually exclusive.

@Gold:

but i have a serious question:

Monkey D. Garp
Monkey D. Dragon
Monkey D. Luffy

…why Portuguese D. Ace?!?!?!?!?

Ace insn't Luffy's bro?!?

That, my friend, is the million dollar question.

Gold Roger is actually Gol D. Roger, but Monkey D. Dragon is just Monkey D. Dragon.

@gaara:

Personally, I would've liked it to be a new character who wasn't known to be great. Dragon is the most wanted man in the world, and Luffy just happens to be his son. It kinda cheapens the experience for me as I expect a rag to riches story only to be told that Luffy descends from greatness. Kinda makes Luffy not feel like an underdog when he's the son of the most wanted man in the world.

The Naruto example was bad as a blind man could see Naruto & Yodaime are most likely father a & son. I'd say it was more along the lines of Yusuke turning out to be a demon all along. It was all good because Yusuke was a human holding his own against many power demons, only to find out he's only gotten this far because of his demon blood. As you can tell, I'm not very good at explaining things.

Just because "greatness" runs in the family, it doesn't mean that Luffy's accomplishments are cheapened in any way. There wasn't any point where Luffy relied on some mystical power hidden in his blood to pull off any of his great feats.

About Yusuke, you're also wrong to think he only got that far thanks to demon blood. If you look back at what is said when it's revealed that Yusuke has demon blood, you'll find out that the demon powers weren't activated until he died for the second time. Everything he did up to that point was thanks to his training.

So someone infamous turns out to be the main character's father and it's automatically Star Wars cliche? Personally, the only similarity I see is just that. An infamous person is the main character's father.

1. Luke had some idea about his father. He knew Anakin fought in the Clone Wars along side Obi Wan, and was told by Obi Wan that Anakin was killed by Vadar.
2. Vadar was a huge character in the series (the main villain), and had lots of interaction with Luke and co., killing Obi Wan in the process. So besides thinking Vadar killed his own father, Luke had even more reason to hate him. Luffy has no idea who Dragon is, and although it was a surprise to everyone else, he wasn't affected so much.
3. In Star Wars, Vadar came out and actually said "I am your father." Dragon has still only appeared once, and left after saying some mysterious babel.

I'm just glad that Dragon's name didn't turn out to be D. Ragon

I just have this to say. Look at Luffy, then look at Garp. How serious of a character can Dragon really be?

@joekido:

Has anyone notice that Usopp is watching the whole thing? Ever wonder what he was doing there?

I just thought he was curious about what was happening between the crew and the Marines, but still felt awkward about being there since he's no longer a crewmember.

@Aldrich:

The fact Luffy doesn't see him when Dragon saves his ass and Dragon saying "so he became a pirate?" in Loguetown weren''t big enough clues? He doesn't see him -> they know eachothers -> they know eachothers -> they're related. Dragon seems too old to be Luffy's brother, we know since last week he's not his grand father, and here you go.

It's not super obvious, but compared to last week, that's nothing to write home about.

It's obvious that Luffy had no idea Dragon was his father. He didn't even know he had a father according to the chapter. Therefore your first deduction "He doesn't see him -> they know eachothers" can't hold.

There's one big question I think that need to be answered first. Since Roger set off the Great Age of Piracy when he died, this means that piracy wasn't so big while Roger actually was a pirate. This could effect how large a bounty he could have had. What I mean by this is that say if there were only 100-500 people with significant bounties (larger than 1 mil) while Roger was a pirate, I could see the range of bounties being a lot less than what it is today. If say everyone but Roger had bounties less than 100-200 mil, it would seem wrong to set Roger's at 1 billion, wouldn't it? Today however with so many pirates, they can set the scale properly, and there are multiple pirates with large bounties larger than 300 mil (we don't know the exact number), and it doesn't seem farfetched for there to be a pirate with a 700-800 million bounty. With Dragon being the "most wanted man in the world," it is quite possible it is close to a billion.

@Pass:

I haven't read the whole thread, but am I the only one who thinks Helmeppo and Koby aren't with Garp? Last we saw them, they were working under Hina.

Weren't those two Fullbody and Jango? I don't recall Coby and Helmeppo ever working under Hina.

There's also the question on exactly how to quantify the gear powerups. It could be like how Terek said with G2 being 2X, and I guess G3 would be 3X? But if G2 is X^2, and G3 is X^3, that changes the whole spectrum of attack powers.

@Aldrich:

Yeah… That was the point.

http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=349693&postcount=87

Ah, ok. Guess I missed that post, and didn't catch on to the sarcasm.

@Aldrich:

In the same book where it is said Mihawk can cut elements.

Only thing is, the supposed book this statement was in (RED databook) never mentions it. Same thing goes for the Lucky Roo statement. At least no one has shown any substantial evidence it's there. Nobody has quoted a page number or anything, only referenced the One Piece wiki page; and if wiki is your only support, you've got a pretty weak argument. I've read the only pages where it references Mihawk (42-43, 197) and Lucky Roo (153), and it doesn't say anything about Mihawk being able to cut elements or Lucky Roo being the fastest in the world.

@Geese:

I recall reading that too. If memory serves correctly he's supposedly able to cut through fire, air, and lightning.

It could very well be bullshit though.

People have said that it was supposed to be in One Piece RED. However, unless the scan of it that I have is incomplete, it doesn't say anywhere that he can cut elements. In the version I have (thanks to psolaras) Mihawk shows up in 2 places: pages 42-43, and page 197. In pages 42-43, it talks about Zoro meeting Mihawk, not standing a chance, and Mihawk recognizing Zoro's potential to become a true swordsman. 197 talks about Mihawk as one of the Shichibukai, saying that he is an indication of the power of the Shichibukai.

If anyone actually knows the page number where it supposedly says Mihawk can cut elements please say so. If it truly is in the RED databook, I would like to see it.

As far as I know, the only areas where Zoro significantly increases in power each arc are in swordsmanship, and physical power. He probably gets a little faster each time too, but does that mean that by the end of the series he'll be significantly faster than soru? I'm not really sure that it does. So far in this series, I think soru is the fastest movement ability we've seen, so maybe it's actually near the "physical limit" attainable by human beings. If there is such an absolute limit to power attainable by humans, then Mihawk doesn't have to be faster than Kaku to keep up with end-of-series Zoro, since everyone is approaching this limit, but not quite reaching it. Think of it like absolute zero temperature. You can get really close, but you never get to it.

@Octogon:

Mihawk not being faster than Kaku is like saying Gold Roger wasn't stronger than Luffy is now.

Again, I don't see how Mihawk's speed is related to his prowess with the sword. I'm not saying that he isn't faster than Kaku, I'm just wondering why Mihawk being a better/stronger swordsman automatically makes him faster than Kaku. As we saw with Zoro vs. Kaku, you don't necessarily have move faster than your opponent to defeat him.

Also I don't really follow your logic here, unless you're talking about Gold Roger's pure physical strength compared with Luffy's. In which case, again I don't see how you can automatically say Roger was stronger than Luffy is, since we haven't seen any direct evidence that shows how strong Roger was. It's possible that he was a DF user, and just really knew how to use his abilities really, really well. What's the probability that Roger was (physically) stronger than Luffy is? Well I have to say that it's pretty high, but it's not 100%.

Now if you meant that Roger's overall strength was higher than Luffy's current strength, I will have to agree. However, then you can't use it to support your argument in this way. Speed is only one part of one's overall strength. Consider these stats that I've tentatively applied to Zoro, Mihawk, and Kaku. If you don't like them, just imagine they're 3 random people then.

On a scale of 10:

Kaku (non-DF):
strength: 6
speed(soru): 9
swordsmanship: 5
toughness(tekkai): 8
total: 28

Zoro:
strength: 8
speed: 6
swordsmanship: 8
toughness: 6
total: 28

Mihawk:
strength: 8
speed: 8
swordsmanship: 10+
toughness: 7
total: 33

As you can see here, if you go by total strength, Mihawk is above both Zoro and Kaku, but taking speed alone, Mihawk is slower than Kaku. In this way, there exists a scenario where Mihawk can be stronger than Kaku, yet not be as fast because he makes it all up with swordsmanship and other things.

@Octogon:

How is that a flaw? Explain yourself.

Well it's a flaw because it's saying that "because Mihawk is a better swordsman than Kaku, he can move faster than Kaku." Just because he is a better swordsman, doesn't necessarily mean he can move faster than Kaku. The counter-example to this is Zoro. Zoro doesn't possess Soru, but he was able to defeat Kaku. He was able to keep up with Kaku's Soru, but that doesn't mean that he can move like it. At least he hasn't shown it.

@Malintex_Terek:

However, saying Mihawk is "stronger" than Ener based solely on his reputation versus what we have seen of Ener's powers isn't exactly the same.

I have to say that I agree with this. Like people have said, manga follows its own laws of physics, and nothing can be assumed to hold true unless clearly stated in the text itself. It's fine to hypothesize, but since it is impossible to test these hypotheses, they can't be stated as fact. In this case, I don't recall anything that's happened in the series thus far that suggests it would be possible to cut elements. I think Zoro may have said something about cutting things without physical form when he was practicing the cannon move on Skypeia (after the party), but nobody has shown that this is possible yet. This isn't to say that Mihawk couldn't defeat Enel, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence that he could do it by directly cutting him.

Back on topic, it seems really random for Merry to come and save the day. I mean it was a great scene when everyone was jumping aboard, but was it really necessary? I guess that next chapter we'll be seeing the results of whatever Sanji did, and maybe finally we'll see what kind of tricks Usopp has with Kabuto.

It's quite possible Aokiji didn't intend for Spandam to use the Golden denden mushi at all. Maybe he just wanted it to be used as a threat, since he knew about Robin's past, and the trauma the BC caused her. For one, I'm not sure that he even expected the SHs to chase Robin to Enies Lobby, let alone defeat CP9.

@TheSonofBattles:

Using Chopper as an template, as you did, his transformations are always instantaneous. Why would a Zoan transformation start at the head and move down along the body? Why would it be a gradual change rather than an instantaneous, all over body change?

Not to say that anything in the anime is One Piece law, but whenever Chopper turns from the man form to chibi form the transformation is usually over a definite period of time, accompanied by those funny sound effects. I believe that in the manga it is treated in a similar fashion, with the graphics showing a series of outlines that are shrinking in size with the largest one being the full man form, and the picture showing the resulting chibi form (all in one panel). It is possible that in this particular case, Oda has just taken out that instant in time in between forms. I think this is more believable than saying the elephant doesn't obey DF laws.

When did Funkfried change his trunk into a sword out of interest? I'm looking for that, since I don't remember it off the top of my head. I only remember him as an elephant, as the normal looking sword, and the weird half way house one I'm prattling on about.

This happened on the bridge just before Franky used Funkfried to KO Spandam. Funkfried was in sword-elephant form with the trunk as a sword, then Franky threatened Funkfried to change his trunk back to normal "or else."

@TheSonofBattles:

Yes, lets.

Interesting thing: All Zoan types, both human, animal and inamanimate shown up to Funkfried had 3 specific, static forms. Chopper doesn't count here because he uses outside interferance to break this limitation.

Funkfried however doesn't have this limitation. While in sword, or possibly sword/elephant form, he morphed and extended his trunk/blade, and this one part of his body alone to hit Robin.

According to everything we knew about Zoans up till now, that should have been impossible barring outside interferance a la Rumble Balls, and even they change the whole body at once. But Spandam was never shown to use anything to allow this to happen.

So…in conclusion: Funkfried has already broken one known limitation. Placing all other limitations on him and saying they are definate is pretty much a fools game now.

He may not break any others, but there's nothing to say he won't either.

About Chopper, he still counts as long as he doesn't use a Rumble Ball. Therefore my examples still hold.

About Funkfried extending his trunk, I assume you're talking about in the stairwell when Spandam unleashed Funkfried upon Robin when she tried to escape. Did you even stop to think that this might have just been the "in between" phase where Funkfried was morphing between the sword form and elephant form? We've seen that the sword-elephant form is when Funkfried has his trunk changed into a sword. Some other parts may have changed into blades, but it wasn't shown so I can't say for sure. In any case, it can't be said for certain that any DF laws have been broken.

@Porter:

There are still some of those cover page stories left. That would make a good filler, cause it is in the manga, unlike the other filler crap.

But seeing old and new friends looking at Luffy's new bounty (beyond 100 millions), might be funny, cause I think some will not belief their eyes. ^^

I don't think Percy is referring to anime filler, just the short in-betweens that we get after the long arcs, like the Shichibukai meeting, etc. that is actually part of the series.

@Elastic_Swindler:

I don't understand the argument about Funkfried being a wrong type of sword. If the storyline requires it, I'm sure an elephant that can turn into a straight sword can also turn into a katana-shaped sword. It could be argued that if the fruit was fed to a straight sword, it could only transform into that shape, but we don't have any evidence about if this is the one and only sword shape that Funkfried can use… I mean, having multiple forms is almost like the signature of the Zoan fruits.

Let's have a refresher lesson on Zoan type DFs. In general, Zoan users have 3 forms. Man, beast-man, beast, where the "man" form is just the "original" form of the user. Now for your question concerning Funkfried, it would be one thing if Funkfried was an elephant that ate a sword-type Zoan fruit (which probably does not exist). Then it might have been possible for him to take on multiple sword types, but I doubt this. Just as how Chopper's "beast" form always looks the same, Funkfried's sword "beast" form would probably look the same.
In any case, Funkfried is a SWORD that ate the elephant type Zoan DF. Therefore the "original" form will never change. Using Chopper as an example again, Chopper's "original" form is a reindeer with a blue nose. No matter what he does, this won't change, and he will never become an elk, or moose. So if Funkfried's "original" form is not a katana, he will never become one.

It would be interesting for Zoro to get another Kitetsu, but I think it could be just as interesting if he gets another katana we haven't heard of. It could be another cursed sword, or perhaps another great sword (ryouwazamono or oowazamono) that is part of some hidden treasure.

I don't know if this will influence any discussion here, but in a Vol. 43 SBS, Oda mentions that Enel would have had a 500 mil bounty if he were a pirate on the Blue Seas. In the same question he talks about how even at said 500 mil, there are still loads of pirates with higher bounties roaming the waters.

Still, I agree with the camp of people saying that a jump for Luffy's bounty to anything higher than 250 mil is excessive.

@Fire Fist:

Come to think it, the only subtle move that Zoro did was Iitoryu Lion's Sing. Draw, slice, sheath. That's Iaido. But every other move is Battojutsu (Which, btw, was the style of Yagyu Jubei and Rimoura Kenshin) and Kenjutsu.

Well just recently (kinda, ch.371) Zoro did the nitouryuu iai Rashoumon. He clearly sheaths the katanas again after the move (I mean hey, it's a 1.5 page spread).

@Buccaneer:

….Because they do. Are they all lying to themselves while they hold the magazines in their own hands?

WSJ comes out on Mondays in Japan. How the US gets them would depend on how the distribution company is. Perhaps it's like how we can import and get the games by their Japanese release date. I wouldn't be too sure, but considering American and Japanese fans can atest to this...

I don't know about other people or distributors, but I had a subscription for Shonen Sunday and Shonen Jump at the Kinokuniya in San Jose for ~8 years before I recently totally converted to digital versions because of a move. What I can say is, Kinokuniya didn't get copies of the magazines for at LEAST 2 weeks after they hit the shelves in Japan. I know this because I was reading the online scans of some of the more popular mangas at the same time like Hikaru no Go, etc. The reason for the delay was because they shipped these magazines by sea. You could only get air shipped stuff if you specially ordered it, and it costed a lot more extra. And even then, I think it still came after the official publish date.