If only Ace were on this island he could take care of those general zombies so easily. :(
Posts made by theinvisibleworm
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RE: Post All-Inclusive Things About Brooke In Here
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RE: Chapter 453 "Cloudy, Partly Bones" Discussion
You know it's bad for the strawhats when they are pretty much completely defeated without even so much as seeing the lead villain. Of course, that leaves room for the main villain underestimating the strawhats, and of course, the Strawhats (Luffy mostly) really underestimated these villains and that is probably why they are in the situation they are in. Rushing in wasn't such a good idea for team strawhat. :(
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RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura
Luffy fighting the strongest character has more to do with the fact that Luffy feels responsible to fight the strongest enemy for the safety of his crew.
Zoro, on the other hand, only really needs to fight swordsmen and Zoro is COMPLETELY confident in Luffy's ability to handle himself, and so he never objects to Luffy fighting the strongest guy in a given area.
On the other hand, if you really want to look at who's fought the strongest opponent the Strawhats have ever faced in the entire series it's Zoro, who fought Mihawk. Luffy immediately tried to fight Mihawk once Zoro lost, but he faired no better.
When Mihawk is zoro's opponent it's likely that Mihawk will be the strongest opponent in the entire arc, and that Zoro will be fighting him.
In other words Zoro's not going to object to Luffy fighting the strongest opponents because a) He has full confidence in Luffy's ability to beat any opponent no matter what (in fact he maintains the most confidence in Luffy of ANY crewmember). b) He has no reason to fight the main opponent unless it is a swordsman, in which case he would object and Luffy would concede and let him fight the man (because Luffy has full confidence in Zoro).
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RE: World-Mysteries.op
In other words let's put it this way.
If Whitebeard, the strongest man in the world, decided to go around targeting crews like the Strawhats and other new up and coming pirates without those crews doing anything to him to warrant his picking on them in the first place, would you feel that any crew he came and defeated deserved to have their careers as pirates ended on the spot just because they weren't strong enough to beat whitebeard and whitebeard's crew? Even the strawhats?
That's exactly what Blackbeard is doing. The point is that Blackbeard is interferring with new pirate crews' ability to surive on their own wiles and ability, because he is an unnatural force stopping them short of growing as a crew and becoming great. Breaking the tree trunks while they're still green so they can never grow into great oaks.
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RE: World-Mysteries.op
Shanks is against Black Beard rising to the top because Blackbeard is a pirate of the previous generation who's waited for the new and naive generation of pirates to arrive so that he could leverage himself over them making himself pirate king.
In other words, Blackbeard is an old generation pirate rising up in the new age of pirates by using their lack of experience to his advantage (for instance how he plans to use the Strawhats), for obvious reasons Shanks is completely against this.
On top of this, Shanks didn't do anything to stop blackbeard or to spite him until Ace's life was at risk, in other words, Ace being either his son or nakama, he wanted to keep him alive.
Saying that a pirate should survive on his own merits is like saying that a potentially great pirate who was just starting out and ran into Whitebeard and got captured and killed deserved it because he wasn't strong enough to live on his own merits.
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RE: Thiller BARK, the new Skypia?
@Impel:
I think this Hogback muthafucka is some legendary dead doctor. Maybe he has hints to Chopper's Pancrea.
He is without a doubt meant to be the Dr. Frankenstein of One Piece.
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RE: Chapter 444 "Adventure on Ghost Island" Discussion
Thanks for the clarification, and I agree with you, seeing as Franky already has had relationships with fishmen it'd make sense for him to be there too.
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RE: Chapter 444 "Adventure on Ghost Island" Discussion
@Fire Fist:
You're assuming that he matters. We know nothing about Jimbei other than he split up his crew and Arlong was part of it, and that he's a Shichibukai. For all we know, he's a pacifist like Shanks that doesn't really fight unless he needs to.
The most important, if not the only important thing we know about Jimbei is that he's the first villain connected to a previous villain in the series.
He's was the captain of the crew that Arlong was once part of, and he's a world power. He's the captain of the guy that made Nami's life, and everoyone in the village's life as well, completely horrible.
We also know that the Strawhat's new ship also has a submarine. I don't remember how many people it seats but my guess is the chapter said it seated two. Who do you think will go to fishmen Island in that submarine?
Nami to navigate and Luffy because he's the captain.
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RE: Chapter 444 "Adventure on Ghost Island" Discussion
Zoro is without question the first mate and saying so is hardly a defensive stance.
He was literally Luffy's first crewmember, and Oda did it that way for a reason.
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RE: Who was Roger and Mihawk's final opponent, and the former Pirate King
Listen.
I think it's relatively clear that the previous power structure for the great pirates had Whitebeard and Roger on top, the top swordsman could not defeat either of them, or tie with them, etc.
That said, the previous power structure doesn't matter when it comes to Luffy and Zoro, Zoro has always been Luffy's rival, and will always rival him in power.
Whether or not Zoro could defeat Lucci with the technique and power he has now is irrelevant because if Zoro fought Lucci he would have been massively injured and near death just like Luffy, but he would have come up with a way to win, better than Asura if necessary. Just as Luffy was able to win because he needed to win for his nakama.
Anyway the point is that the previous power structure doesn't matter, the strawhats are paving their own and in it Zoro is very damn close to Luffy.
Also, all that Mihawk meant when he told Luffy that the path of pirate king was harder than surpassing Mihawk was that Luffy would have to face more perils and give more up for his dream than anyone, he didn't just mean "You have to be a badass fighter!"
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RE: So, is Ace Shanks son ?
If attacking the strongest man in the world because he refuses to call his underling off of someone isn't "insisting" then what is?
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RE: Chapter 442 "Adventure in the Devil's Sea" Discussion
@_Meh_:
It occured to me a couple of hours ago that Brooke has not answered in the negative to any question put to him yet. I'm sure he'll say 'no' to something eventually, but still…
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...maybe Brooke OD'd!It's that and the fact that he accepted himself into the crew easier than anyone else by far that makes me doubt him completely. For all we know one of the Shichibukai or Yonkou roam this area and that's why no ships make it through, and this is his method.
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RE: Chapter 442 "Adventure in the Devil's Sea" Discussion
My guess is that Brook is part of the reason most people never get through the Florian triangle.
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RE: Relation between crossing the red line and mermen/fisherman island
@Fire Fist:
This isn't "15 miles on the Pirate's Canal". The Red Line is Marijoi or Marine HQ (Most likely scenario; I doubt some ordinary town would be in such a strategic location). They have to go over under or the Red Line, and considering that Coup de Bust was introduced for a reason, the obvious reason is to use it to fly over Marijoi and cross the Red Line.
I really doubt that Coup de Bust is going to send the ship a mere fifteen miles in the sky (that would be a longer distance than the ascent into Skypeia), let alone more than that. A canal seems much more reasonable and I wasn't aware that the ship doubled as a submarine, and I really doubt that every single ship which has crossed the red line either flew over it or submarined under it.
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RE: Shanks and Mihawk
It came from the fact that Mihawk never defeated Shanks and that he pretty much stated as much when Shanks challenged him on the island earlier in the series.
It was stated that Shanks's swordsmanship was world class, but that doesn't mean that he's just a swordsman, and in fact what happened on Whitebeard's ship suggests otherwise.
Fact is, Shanks challenged Mihawk and Mihawk backed down, you can justify it however you want. Shanks said he never received any legitimate injury in any battle or adventure except for blackbeard which means that Mihawk NEVER legitimately seriously injured Shanks in a fight, which obviously means he never defeated him. They weren't just fighting buddy buddy either, they were opponents on enemy ships.
I don't see Mihawk immobilizing people with just his ambition, not even weaklings like the people on the Baratie or the pirates that attacked it. Shanks wouldn't even have needed to cut up the ships as he could probably kill those entire crews with just his ambition alone.
Going off actual canon, and what the manga has actually shown us, Shanks has displayed far more power and ability than Mihawk, who is just the world's strongest swordsman.
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RE: Chapter 441 "Duel on Barona Island" Discussion
I wonder if anyone remembers the paper that Ace gave Luffy way back in the series in Alabasta.
I'm thinking that in the very next chapter, we'll see something happen to that paper.
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RE: Blackbeard, Ace and Luffy
Considering the fact that the Whitebeard crew peons don't even flinch or so much as recognize people with 95 million beri bounties, I'd say that Ace's bounty probably far surpassed 300 million, being that he was a captain of a division and all. I mean do you really think that Luffy is more infamous than the captains on Whitebeard's ship? That would pretty much mean that Luffy literally had a higher bounty than anyone except for the actual emperors themselves, and we're only halfway through the series so I somehow doubt that to be the case.
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RE: Shanks and Mihawk
Because that would make him stronger than whitebeard.
It is the only weapon we have seen him use and his weapon of choice vs the strongest man in OP.
He's a world class swordsman, and a world class fighter, but not #1 in either category, but Mihawk certainly has never once defeated Shanks, as Shanks has never been injured by anyone but Blackbeard, and when Shanks challenged Mihawk, he didn't say anything out of pity or Shanks would have attacked him to keep his honor (unless you're saying he's a coward even though he's the one that challenged Mihawk), he said he'd "Given up" fighting the one armed man a long time ago. In other words, he'd never been able to beat him.
If Mihawk can't beat Shanks, I don't see how he's stronger than Shanks.
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RE: Luffy destined to do great things?
I think it would be rather interesting if the "Old friend" that Garp was talking about was in fact Gol D. Roger.
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RE: Relation between crossing the red line and mermen/fisherman island
I think that there is a "myth" about the equivalent to the real world's myth about the straight that let's you cross south america (but didn't actually exist), and that Luffy and crew will find it somehow, but finding it will only be half the battle as crossing it will leave them completely vulnerable and only able to flee in two directions (or no directions if the navy is smart).
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RE: Shanks and Mihawk
Thank you freedom.
Anyway, I don't understand why everyone assumes that Swordfighting is Shanks primary skill. What if he's just SO amazing that his SECONDARY fighting skill, swordfighting, is WORLD CLASS?
I don't understand why that can't be the case, people take the little one sentence statement from the data book way too deeply, and considering what we've actually SEEN of Shanks, he barely ever uses his sword at all.
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RE: So, is Ace Shanks son ?
The only way Shanks had to save Ace from the fight was to convince Whitebeard to call shanks off of Blackbeard.
If Shanks went and 'helped' Ace, it would ruin his fight and mean that they were fighting unfairly against Teach, and it would be humiliating for Ace as a captain of the Whitebeard crew to receive aid surreptitiously from an enemy captain.
It's obvious that Shanks has very, very strong feelings for Ace if he's litterally willing to take a STRIKE at Whitebeard for Ace's sake.
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RE: Chapter 441 POLL about ace?
Generally speaking the only type of "flashback" where people actually die is when one of the main characters is having the flashback, like Nami. This is just a scene that happened earlier, and in my opinion not the same as the death flashbacks where people have died (though maybe there was a death in a flashback like this if so please correct me).
This doesn't mean that Ace is alive, as just because Oda has done something one way for a long time doesn't mean that he'll NEVER do it that way. He's probably aware that his audience is maturing with the series, and acting accordingly.
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RE: General Blackbeard Thread
Blackbeard was intentionally trading blows with Ace, if he wanted to end the fight early he could have, he was literally playing around, as evidenced by the complete waste of time that his first move was, which he knew damn well wouldn't do anything to Ace.
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RE: Chapter 441 "Duel on Barona Island" Discussion
Also, I got the feeling that Blackbeard was incredibly fast in his punch. I'm talking faster than Luffy in gear second, as the panel literally shows Blackbeard grab ace, and then the very next panel he's already connecting and hitting Ace so hard that Ace pukes blood like Luffy does when he's practically defeated by Lucci, however this is just Blackbeard's first punch to Ace. I don't know that Luffy would even be able to hit Blackbeard before he was sent flying by him, as Ace was.
I think that everything about Blackbeard is misleading, seems to me that he was letting Ace hit him just to gauge the guy or just for show, and that he could have avoided those attacks had he wanted to. Of course, I have no evidence for that it's just my opinion.
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RE: Chapter 441 "Duel on Barona Island" Discussion
I honestly don't think that killing Portgas D. Ace or even capturing him would be something that would get Whitebeard into the Shichibukai.
If anything, it would make the World Government want to distance themselves from Teach, because Whitebeard's basically going to be going on a rampage to stop the murderer/captor of Ace, and if Teach was affiliated with WG then he'd have reason to actively assault them, Shanks would too, as would Dragon (though Dragon plans it already), basically if Teach becomes Shichibukai for this I imagine Dragon coming up to Whitebeard and Shanks and forming alliances with them, making his revolution way, way more serious.
Luffy still seems like the best candidate for him to get into the Shichibukai, I think that's the reason that Blackbeard offered to have Ace in his crew.
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RE: Shanks and Mihawk
So let's look at cannon regarding who's done what between Shanks and Mihawk.
Mihawk
1. World's strongest swordsman, this is obviously true as it would make Zoro's dream of beating Mihawk completely stupid were Mihawk a fraud.
2. Splits ships apart with his sword.
3. Deflects bullets etc with sword.
4. Has the strongest sword in the world.
5. Survives in the grand line.
6. Is a Shichibukai.
7. Looks cool.
8. Rivaled Shanks.Shanks:
1. Can immobilize even the most elite crew in the world with just his ambition alone.
2. Deals with the WG without a problem, even when the WG really wants him to stop him from doing something, he easily overcomes them (as he was uninjured when he arrived at Whitebeard's ship).
3. Command's Whitebeard's respect, to the point where he won't let his crew engage Shanks, apparently not even his captains. Whitebeard obviously has a great deal of faith in his captains as he has no problem sending on out to kill a guy who killed another captain, and refuses to believe for a second that the captain he sent out could lose.
4. Challenged Mihawk, Mihawk backed down.
5. Can make sea monsters run with a simple glare.
6. Can attack Whitebeard and survive (Shanks is not going to die from this as Luffy has to return his hat to him), possibly even equal him.
7. When he engages a really strong enemy he is so powerful as to be able to (at least in congruence with whitebeard) split the clouds in the sky.
8. Only recieved ONE legitimate serious injury in his entire career as a pirate, despite fighting Whitebeard's ship on a regular basis and despite being on board the most demanding pirate ship probably ever. That was with Blackbeard, who is almost certainly the main antagonist in the entire series.Anyway, from what we've actually seen in the manga, Shanks is clearly stronger than Mihawk. Whether or not that's because Oda just hasn't shown us Mihawk's capability and that if he had, Mihawk would be stronger, we can't know.
Saying that because Shanks uses a sword and Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world means that Shanks is weaker than him is like saying that because Whitebeard uses a sword means he's weaker than Mihawk.
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RE: Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
I think that Shanks is the one who originally left Luffy on syrup village with Garp, probably the same with Ace, I think that Shanks is Ace's biological father while Dragon is Luffy's.
The similarity between Shanks and Ace is too much to coincidental and I've always noticed it even early in the series.
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RE: Shanks and Mihawk
The first post in the thread should be edited.
We know for a fact that Shanks does not just rely on his swordsmanship and that he has demonstrated an ability which Mihawk has not that could easily bring him above Mihawk's level.
That is, of course, what he did to nearly the entire Whitebeard Crew, which consists of what are likely to be a bunch of the strongest pirates in the grand line, even the non-captains. Shanks literally defeated nearly an entire ship just by boarding it. We have no idea how he did this except that we have idea that it has to do with his ambition, or his spirit, or his chi.
Shanks is clearly more ambitious than Mihawk, as he chose to be a Yonkou, a position constantly at war with the World Government and the Shichibukai (BOTH forces being necessary just to hold the Yonkou at bay), whereas Mihawk chose to make a defacto alliance with the WG meaning that they would not attack him and that he could pillage at will, etc. In other words, Shanks chose a path of far more risk than Mihawk? Why? I won't say that he's stronger than Mihawk but I will say that it's really very, very obvious that Shanks isn't over-reliant on his sword. Same way we all know that while Whitebeard used a sword in his fight with Shanks, he's obviously not the strongest man in the world because of his swordsmanship (otherwise that would mean that Mihawk was stronger than him).
Shanks ability to literally defeat opponents with his presence, or with a glance, is not something that we've seen Mihawk do on any extraordinary scale, and I think I remember that when Mihawk came to Shanks, Shanks gave him his look when he asked if he was there to challenge him, and I think that in the panel it showed Mihawk being discreetly be influenced by it. At that point, Mihawk said he had "given up" fighting the one armed man a long time ago.
Correct me if I have that wrong, though, even if I do, my point that Shanks has demonstrated already that he is not 'just' a swordsman, whereas Mihawk has not.
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RE: Could the Whitebeard/Roger fight be the reason Roger was captured?
I think that Garp made it impossible for Roger to run and that Sengoku is the one who actually captured him, assuming he didn't give up willingly.
It seems as though Oda was being rather specific when he said "Cornered" instead of "Captured", just my opinion anyway.
More than likely, after Garp "cornered" Roger, the man gave up either out of respect for Garp's ability to corner him or for concern of his crew.
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RE: Shanks uses a sword, does that automatically makes Mihawk stronger?
Was it ever stated that Shanks lost a fight with Mihawk?
Ever?
So far as I know, they were on two different ships that went to battle with each other quite a few times, and so far as I know, Mihawk never successfully so much as even gave Shanks a 'serious injury' (since the only person to do so was Teach). Even if Mihawk does have the title of strongest swordsman in the world, it doesn't mean that he's stronger than Shanks as a fighter or that he could defeat Shanks, or even compete with present day Shanks.
We can be relatively positive that Shanks does not just rely on his swordsmanship, considering the fact that the means through which he immobilized the vast majority of Whitebeard's crew had nothing to do with his blade.
Considering the fact that Shanks is so strong that he was able to walk right up to the strongest man in the world and strike a blow at him without dying, and considering the fact that we haven't seen Mihawk do something similar, and the fact that Shanks is an emperor whereas Mihawk is merely a member of the Shibuchai, I'd say that all the evidence we currently have points to Shanks being a stronger fighter than Mihawk.
Saying that Mihawk could do anything close to what Shanks did on Whitebeard's ship would be pure baseless speculation.
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Has anyone considered this?
Let's assume that Blackbeard defeats Ace and continues on with his plan to capture the strawhats.
Zoro conveniently only has two swords.
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RE: Chapter 440 "Fire Fist vs. Blackbeard" Discussion
The only way that Blackbeard can compete with Whitebeard is if the darkness fruit's ability is to literally drain away one's fighting spirit, or whatever it was that Shanks and Whitebeard displayed not too long ago that dazzled Whitebeard's whole crew.
If it can't do that, I don't see how he can beat whitebeard (or shanks for that matter), and if it can, it'd make sense why he was so unwilling to use any other fruit.
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RE: Chapter 440 "Fire Fist vs. Blackbeard" Discussion
BlackBeard never ran from WhiteBeard, it's rather clear that he had no fear of Ace's persuit whatsoever from the way he reacted to him, and the way the fight's going at the moment.
He left the crew after he got what he wanted, this was rather blatantly stated in the most recent chapter. Blackbeard gave Shanks a permanent scar, whereas Shanks was unable to give Blackbeard one, meaning he had the edge in the fight even if he was unable to kill Shanks. Shanks is an Emperor and on par with Whitebeard as shown a few chapters back.
Whitebeard is the old world, Blackbeard is the new world, an insanely strong bastard who hid in the shadows so that he wouldn't be noticed, because not only is he strong he is intelligent and believes in fate. Could he kill Whitebeard without his devil's fruit? Probably not, but he'd certainly fare as well as Shanks did. Add his Devil's fruit.
Whitebeard is old and sick, Blackbeard is middle-aged and extremely powerful and healthy and he's got an amazing crew. Luffy will surpass Shanks, Blackbeard will surpass Whitebeard, then they Luffy and Blackbeard will clash. That's what all this buildup implies, in my opinion.
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RE: Chapter 438 "Pride" Discussion
As for Usopp being "weak and useless", assuming this ship has some serious firepower I think the problem's solved.
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RE: Chapter 438 "Pride" Discussion
No, that doesn't make any sense to me at all plot-wise. The whole Usopp vs Luffy thing was because Usopp had really low self esteem, pride if you will and needed to assert himself and gain that pride. He kind of did, for a while. Until this chapter where he was grossly humiliated infront of all his nakama. So where does that leave us? Back at square one with Usopp's self esteem at a new all time low, nullifying his progress through one and a half arc.
In short, he left the crew to establish his pride and then threw it away again to get back. What's the point of that?
Yes, so I guess the title "Pride" was referring to how badass Garp throwing cannonballs was, and had nothing to do with Usopp at all. This chapter wasn't showing us the death of old childish Usopp (I mean it's not like it literally showed us doing his same old shit, then having an epiphany, then completely changing, or anything), it was just "going back to square one."
I think you need to look at the chapter again.
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RE: Chapter 438 "Pride" Discussion
I can't believe that pretty much every single person here failed to comprehend the whole Usopp scene despite the chapter title.
Usopp understood the situation wholeheartedly the whole time, but because he didn't want to sacrifice his pride, he tried other ways. Once he realized that in order to get back with the crew he had to swallow his pride he had to make a decision about what was worth more, his hubris or his nakama.
He chose his nakama. It wasn't about Usopp being 'forced' to aplogize, it was about Usopp realizing that he was sacrificing his friends for his own self-image.
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RE: Soldier Dock System
Since Franky calls his invention the Soldier Dock System the best part of the ship I'm going to guess that it is significant to his own desire for the ship. Since Franky was traumatized by Spandam using his own ships against the people he loved, I'm thinking that the Soldier Dock System somehow protects the ship from unauthorized access. A system that will not allow history to repeat itself in any way.
To Franky that would be perfect a ship that you can lock up and leave at dock and it will protect itself as if it were its own soldier. Who knows those masts might be able to telescope down into the ship and then something else closes off the deck.
This is the best post in the entire thread.
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RE: Soldier Dock System
At first assumed it was a means to board enemy ships but that really doesn't make sense since the strawhats never needed help doing that before.
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RE: Could a DF user swim if they wore a rubber suit?
Put a rubber suit over an anvil and see if it floats.
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RE: Future bounties
Luffy already has a higher bounty than a member of the Shichibukai, or rather, a member that he defeated. So considering that fact that he's already done what you're laughing at as absurd, I'm trying to figure out how what you're saying is even a reasonable argument in any sense of the word.
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RE: Gear 2 is far more powerful than we thought.
I think a devil fruit sword is somewhat likely at this point, despite the fact that i don't like it. I mean Zoro's sword breaks, and now we hear about the doctor who invented the technique for having objects obtain devil fruit powers.
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RE: Robin stronger than we expected?
I could have sworn that earlier in the series robin stated that her ability could defeat enemies regardless of their physical strength.
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RE: Robin stronger than we expected?
Let's not get carried away. She could have subdued Lucci and Kaku? I highly doubt it.
Escaping has little to do with strenght.
Considering the observational ability that Lucci and the rest of the cp9 possessed, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Robin was able to break Ao Kiji's back, and that man is a very strong and capable of physical fighter, the only reason he wasn't immobilized from that was because of his devil's fruit. As to whether or not Ao Kiji is a better fighter than Lucci without his fruit, I don't know, but I like to imagine he is.
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RE: Buggy's comeback
Buggy is vastly underestimated, he came the closest to killing Luffy out of any other villain, and he has a very useful devil's fruit. I doubt he'll straight up fight Luffy as a villain like Lucci would, but I imagine Luffy's going to be in trouble when Buggy arrives.
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RE: Spoiler Threads - This is not a bitching topic, it's a suggestion.
Negative reinforcement and Positive Reinforcement are different ways of say, training a dog, I wasn't referring to anything you said Usopp, sorry for the confusion. I just meant that locking the spoiler thread is a rather negative (in my opinion of course) way of reinforcing the integrity of the board, whereas I feel making a subforum would be a positive route. Basically, it's a privelage to post in the subforum, and if you abuse it you lose that privelage, etc.
You've been perfectly civil and I completely respect your opinion, I apologize again for the way I worded that, it wasn't meant to say anything negative about you at all.
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RE: Spoiler Threads - This is not a bitching topic, it's a suggestion.
And of course, negative reinforcement does tend to litigate immediate though temporary results, captain usopp.
I just wonder whether or not its positive counterpart wouldn't be better for the site in the long run.
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RE: Robin stronger than we expected?
With an ability like that escaping wouldn't be too much a of a problem without the cuffs.
She could have easily subdued cp9 at any time, thus the whole reason cp9 even made a deal with her in the first place.