Posts made by psolaras

why didn't i see that part abut mihawk earlier??? anyway phenom where did you get the trans of the red data book??

@Ronaldinho:

I tried to put an image but the download will take me too long so I just copied from my book. @Psolaras It was made after Chopper joined.

Ussop
Adventuresome: 5
Strength: 2
Intelligence: 3
Dexterity: 6
Fashion Sense: 3
Curiosity: 4

Chopper
Adventuresome: 4
Strength: 2
Intelligence: 5
Dexterity: 2
Fashion Sense: 1
Curiosity: 6

i see! thank you!

also are the books translated somewhere??? phenomenal where did you get yur info?

@ONEinchPUNCH:

The red book says chopper and usopp have equal strength?!? It has to mean chopper in base form since it is blatently obvious chopper in human form is very strong.

Unlike luffy chopper activates his fruits powers while luffy is constantly rubber and zoro is constantly zoro. But could you post those two pages up, I wouldn't mind seeing their abilities.

I based luffy and zoro off quite a few things, not just the red book. I used the whiskey peak fight, the constant quotes comparing luffy and zoro in the manga and also the jabs and kaku fight, where he dodged them both at the same time with an usopp handicap.

wait,wasn't the red book made before chopper joined?? is it sure??

i think their main singer is the impersonation of robin! but their songs are friendly to the ear when you go out to have a cup of coffee

@Ronaldinho:

Oh thanks. Now I remember. He was my favorite troll. I remember the time when everyone had a ODA BOSS sig.

I just wanted to know your opinion since the Red Book said that they are equal in strength. Was just a test if you agree since you based the Luffy equal to Zoro also on the databook. But you passed the test and gave a good explanation.

oh shit,so that is what i missed when i had no connection

anyway back on topic please

@Impel:

Samuel L. Jesus = idiot joke accounter who thinks racist jokes and being "ultra-christian" jokes are hilarious.

well it is clear he is carter that made an account from somewhere else
proof: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=11648

and i've said to FFA that he was carter long before i saw that thread

anyway back on topic

it was a shame they banned samuel l jesus,the forum will never be da samez

anyway luffy became stronger little by little after every fight

i think it just wasn't so obvious like zoro's progress

@ONEinchPUNCH:

FFA Arlong can't be on jinbei's level, who's going to be scared of a guy someone with a 30 mil bounty beat. The WG would start to reconsider their decision, if they truley were on equal ground.

So it has to be what WHITEBEARD says

arlong represents a japanesse saw tooth shark who is pretty small,hacchi was an ocapus and the other too were pretty small fish (their original comings) so jinbei propably dismissed his weak nakama and kept secretly his strong ones

i wouldn't be suprised if he had some whale or shark or seaking fishmen

EDIT:

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Have I? That's no good:sad:

So here's some smiles for everyone!!

lol!!!!!! and can i do something to make your avatar beautifull?? would you like a zoro or a mihawk avatar??

also i will definately make a cool avatar to WB and FFA when anime ends the EL arc

@ONEinchPUNCH:

This topic actually covers everything read the first page

it's the absolute debating ground though WB,FFA and phenom seem to be on holidays so when they return i hope we get more action!

and OiP have you become cold or is it my idea???:wassat:

EDIT: nope,they are back

also arlong was pretty strong and until luffy got really mad they were head to head but i doubt he could defeat bellamy

@Kma:

It never happened Jango got left at the village, woke up, had that thing with Fullbody and became a marine.

The part Psolaras was refering to happened in the anime. It did not happen in the manga. Also it wasnt Jango it was somebody else on the ship.

Also during the years that Kuro was staying at Kaya he was officially no longer captain. Jango became the captain in those years.

EDIT: THANKS PSOLARAS FOR THE RED AND BLUE BOOKS! YOU ROCK!

well thanks and sorry for being soooooooooooooo late but i ended all my responsbilities yesterday

also you are right,it only happened in the anime,hmmmmmmm,maybe it happened in a cover story

@BlackGalleon1:

I know this, thats why I made that request.

@ Psolaras: Galleon =/= Miss, Galleon = Sir. OK

well sorry,i thought you were a woman,lad!!!!

and why did you intentionally waste all this time from me?

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Jango was working with kuro as a favour to him and I'm sure he shows him that bounty after he has returned to the ship being the captain.

During that fight kuro wasn't captain he may be now but not during the fight.

I think The two title holders are the strongest in OP, while the gap won't be very big, it would be big enough for whitebeard to defeat mihawk.

So I do think Mihawk is the second strongest in OP otherwise zoro's goal is pretty meaningless.

:wub: have i told you that i love you recently?!?!?!?!?!?:wub:

someone has to be close to WB so the powers can be equal and i thing zoro's and luffy's strenght relationship implies who is close to WB

though sengoku and dragon seem to be pretty strong too

@BlackGalleon1:

Psolaras, please show me where Jango shows Kuro this bounty poster of Luffy's, I'm quite curious now.

i will find it for you miss!!!

@Samuel:

0 shit

fukin retarded

lol,i challenge you to stare your sig for 1 hour!!!

kuro is still the captain,don't make me search the page where jango shows him luffy's bounty!!

anyway regardless of all these since you are one of the phew that recognize mihawk stronger than shanks (or seeing the obvious while everyone is blind!!!!:getlost: ) do you think mihawk is the 2nd strongest in the OP world??:wassat:

@IT'S:

What do you think of my new avatar? Does it match my username?

fantastic!!! i promise i will make you a animated gif like avatar like mine with the 1000 sunny!!!! 10/10 for the avatar!!

@Mr.Prince:

Psolaras:
Ava- Much better than your before avatar. But a little overused by other people. 8/10
Sig- lol hax 9/10.

are you talking about the amano ginji avatar?? and who uses my avatar???
also cool sig and avatar,9 for both of them!!

@ONEinchPUNCH:

He wasn't the captain of that ship, he was supposes to be dead. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't butchie and siam (whatever the hell they're called) attack kuro saying he isn't they're captain anymore?

the cow's opinion is the cow's opinion and that statement was made cuz they thought kuro has become weaker so the tried to pawn him

also after that statement when kuro showed who's the boss they obeyed just like pussycats their captain

and later when kuro started to cut his nakama,they were screaming:"why are you doing this captain????"

no….. I mean before one piece was started, you know prototype version?

i see

Ace was still BB's captain/leader

but WB is the true captain on the ship so still that doesn't answer hawkeys question

That makes 2 of us.

i believe we will increase in numbers!!!

I don't think it matters how you cut buggy he will split either way, the back of the sword would do just fine.

though it is specultion i hope so but who cares? eventually he will cut everything including buggy!!!!!!!!!!

Monster chopper has no control over his actions, we don't know if he would still attack usopp if he ran away. Monster chopper would then eventually die due to the strain on his body.

Conclusion Monster chopper bad move

i think monster chopper attacks everything and it certainly isn't a bad move,it pawned easily yioyioiiiiii and chopper did his ultimate attack on yioyioiiii's head but he syrvived

monster chopper almost destroyed franky so i think usopp would be a walk in the park and monster chopper started to pass away cuz in his fight he got several wounds,so it was due to the previous injuries and not to the monster point

EDIT: Kma i re uploaded the books,enjoy!!!!!

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Depends they're styles are completely different, unlike luffy and zoro who are head on fighters. Chopper and usopp are cowards, they only fight when they have to.

If they were to start fighting in an empty field I'd give chopper the win, since luffy hit usopp once to end the fight. Chopper can break tekkai and luffy at that time couldn't, which is overkill for usopp.

However if usopp was given time to plan his attacks and enough cover, he could snipe and waste time causing chopper's rumble ball to wear off. Then attacking with some ultimate attack from kabuto.

i think monster chopper is the answer to that question and chopper can evade pretty good

@ONEinchPUNCH:

WAS but not during that fight

kuro still is,he might have cursed his captain position but luffy teached him a lesson so he is and was the captain,we saw him in the ship after the first 30mil bounty of luffy

In Oda's previous OP plans that was what zoro was, but he changed it for the final version. This is probably where the rivalry between luffy and zoro would have begun, since they would have been enemies.

you mean in the romance dawn??? well garp was there too

Which shows BB was stronger than the captain/leader of 2nd division

but WB is everyone's captain in that ship so again that doesn't count

Those points are quite valid, but yeah SH's are completely different to everyone else out there. So it is quite plausible they'll be different to other crews, in strength too.

well i disagree about the points but the SH are the example

Fists or the back of his swords would do.

back of the sword eh??? or the bottom of his sword (a hit like the shinigami sent spirits to soul society will do the job) but if buggy is cut vertical????

@Kma:

When Robin was working for no name pirates I'm pretty sure she was stronger then most if not all of the captains. (cept when she was a kid)

Not pirates and other then Spandam, wasnt Jyabura the actual leader of CP9?

Arguable but i believe Bucchi (sp?) from Jangos crew was stronger, else they wouldnt really be a trump card… (Kuro wasnt captain anymore)

altough not captains, Mr 4 was stated to be stronger then Mr 3 just that Mr 4 was too stupid.

Zoro was once meant to be the bodyguard of Buggy before joining Luffy. Im sure if that did happen Zoro would have been stronger then Buggy.

And of course... Blackbeard was most likely stronger then his division commander Sacchi

well kuro was the captain,jyabura wasn't the leqader,mr.4 was again no leader and what was that about zoro being a bodygard of buggy???? and ace said BB was his subordinate

though those poinys are kinda ….:blink: but the SH don't mean an example to immitate something

and a general question,zoro is sure a lot stronger than buggy but how would he beat him???? swords don't cut buggy so will he use his fists??

@WHITEBEARD:

Well if you are talking about Arlongs personal strength then No, they are not equals.

exactly,i thought the equal thing was refered to the kind

@Hawkeye:

show me a crew where the capitan is equal to someone on their crew?

we have a pizza house named capitan!!

anyway i'd love to use the "jinbei's is arlong's equal" but that is ridiculous so i think i'll use the straw hats!!!!

or his crew[hide][/hide]

p.s. isn't he THE MAN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

@WHITEBEARD:

No one said Zoro is stronger then Luffy….........

I they are equals.

until it is proven otherwise,since luffy is the main character he might be slightly stronger sometime or they might end up equals

@$abZ:

First off, it's pretty sad that you took the time to make that. Secondly… stop flaming. That's enough of you...

oops,i haven't seen that,man no humour no party!

@Impel:

Someone really should lock this.

you don't like it??? don't post!! but that is impossible since every one or two hours you start posting in every thread without reading anything and your posts are 16 to 20 characters max so

@Impel:

What does this have to do with what Shanks and Garp said?

@psolaras:

well this thread is about solving every issue on the air the past 2 months,abut the yonkou and garp saying they are the greatest pirates,about shank's scar,about BB vs shanks,BB vs WB and about asura

first about the yonkou

garp said the yonkou are the greatest pirates but most people use that as an argument about the yonkou being stronger than the schichibukai and others don't accept it as a statement since the powers are equal

but there isn't nothing to accept,oda said it so it's true and the yonkou are equal to the schichibukai cuz greatest pirate doesn't mean strongest,roger was the greatest pirate,the PK but he wasn't the strongest,WB was his equal

so he was considered the greatest pirate though he wasn't stronger than everyone,this is also the answer to the yonkou and the schichibukai being equal though the yonkou are considered the greatest pirates
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proper translation
Garp: Among the countless masses of pirates in the world,
he is one of the four greatest, along with the infamous Whitebeard, that dwell in the latter half of the Grand Line.
These pirates, who rule above all others almost as an emperor does,
are called the Four Emperors, or Yonko!!!
It is only Marine Headquarters and the Seven Armed Seas that can withstand their might!!
These "Three Great Powers" form a precarious balance that keeps the world from destruction, lest it fall.[/hide]

now about shanks and his scar

we all know that the scar was made by BB and shanks said it was no cheap shot or taken by suprise,so BB did it fair and square but shanks had the scar 10 years ago in luffy's village and he didn't have it in roger's execution 22 years ago when he was 15 but also shanks had that scar in his flag so that means he had before he created his crew

now BB didn't do the scar when he was on WB's ship (he said he was for decades,that means at least 20 years) since WB would have known,just like he knew about shanks losing his arm and even more since BB was his nakama when he fought such an important pirate someone would have told him

all these lead to the fact that shanks got his scar when he was extremely young and still developing though BB was weaker then too and we also don't know who won or how the battle involved so we can't know if BB is stronger than shanks now or not,though BB didn't have the fruit when he fought shanks since ace said BB was his subordinate and ace went to sea 3 years ago

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proper translation
Shanks: This one was no mark of adventure.
It did not come at the hands of Hawk-Eyes…
This scar was given to me
by YOUR man, "Blackbeard" Teach...!!
And it was not a cheap blow taken by surprise.[/hide]

now about the thing shanks said to WB about BB coming to steal his spot

that doesn't mean BB can beat WB,if he could he wouldn't run,BB isn't in the new world,he is seeking for a big worth rookie like luffy that can give him a schichibukai position,if he went to the new world to find one big pirate he might found a higly ranked marine or a schichibukai or a yonkou so he wants to become a schichibukai the first two won't attack him and the third would be stopped by the WG in the sake of the world peace

so BB wants to go the new world with no worries in his head,i am not saying he is weak,he is a powerhouse but he isn't the strongest and he sure will be one of the strongest schichibukai but again he isn't the strongest in the world
and he can't surpass WB,he can get a bigger crew that he can secretly command but he can't surpass WB
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proper translation
Do you understand what I'm saying, Whitebeard?!
He was waiting for his chance… He didn't take a captain's position, he didn't take the fame.
He was spending all of his time hiding in the shadow of your name!!!
And when he gained his power... he struck.
Ultimately, he will seek the very top.
Of his OWN will!!
Eventually, he will even come to steal YOUR position!!

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and lastly about asura

asura is just an attack,it was 9 swords style,demon ki,asura like 1 sword style,lion's song.what is their differance? the demon ki,that is zoro's "upgrade",his spirit got so strong that it can project images,like shanks spirit made people faint,zoro is on the first stage while shanks and mihawk propably are on the last

zoro also did the onigiri attacke altered with spirit when he was inside the courthouse and his swords seem as they were benting and a devil's image was above him

so zoro in the future will do other attacks charged with his spirit force but he won't do any other attacks with 9 swords except of asura

[hide] Kaku:
and some proper translation:
{The same demon again…!!! Is he able to conjure these illusions solely through spirit...?!!}
Impressive!
But too late!!

and zoro's sword "benting"

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ATTENTION

i don't want this to be locked due to offtopicness so mihawk vs WB or BB can be discussed,like zoro and luffy being equals,like shanks vs mihawk and everything that has something to do with either the marines or the schichibukai or the yonkou or the final oponents of the SH

since all these are close to the above issues

so nothing is off-topic!!! discuss everything you want!!!

so????????????

EDIT: you haven't read it,haven't you,you just wait to flame WB,don't you?

@CosmicDebris:

Nothing, this is the thread is a giant waste bin of all the lamest arguments in One Piece fandom.

Listen guys - if Oda said it at any point in One Piece history, it's true until he says otherwise. NOT the other way around. If you want to believe that information about Luffy and Zoro is outdated, that's your prerogative, but you can't make any argument for it until new information is presented. It's completely pointless.

Also - psolaras - no more macros please. You need to go to macroholics anonymous.

i need their phone!!! i'm addicted!!!!

@$abZ:

Read above. That chart changes nothing. My above post clearly explains how Oda was most likely not being 100% serious and into-detail with that chart. It also explains how the chart backfires.

i thought this was the most stupid thing i have seen:
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thanks for showing me that nothing lasts forever!!!!

@Ronaldinho:

Well, you just prove who the flamer is. I'm not goint to discuss with you any further since I'm not going to waste my time with someone who is unable to talk like an civilized human being.

@$abZ:

Amen to that my friend.

this might be the beginning of a real friendship!!

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and luffy and zoro are equal until it is said otherwise

EDIT: the thing i marked in yellow from your post ronaldinho is utter ironic and flaming so STFU

@$abZ:

I don't ignore canon. Oda hasn't directly said it. No more replying to you.

I just want to say that Mihawk can possibly be surpassed, thus a tougher obstacle arriving. The pie chart OIP was talking about… there is no decimal option for it, so the space covering 6 HAS to be the same. Oda hasn't gone into decimal detail... he's just labelled them around about 6... which cannot be bigger or smaller on the pie chart.

this is moved to my thread,anyone in charge please delete the off-topicness and not lock this up

@WHITEBEARD:

Luffy and Zoro are equal sabz, its canon.

since barney isn't ok with this i say they arent (i am a bastard,aren't i?)

ignore him guys,don't close this thread cuz he is off topic and can't back up his words (who am i talking for?)

anyway back on topic,the toughest the SH faced is definately aokiji,he owned zoro,sanji and luffy easily

@Ronaldinho:

He's not the fanboy but you are one. Who has a Mihahw avatar and hopes desperately that Mihawk is the strongest so Zoro can become the strongest too. Stop calling other fanboys when you are indeed the biggest one.

STFU,i answered to his statement of my post being idiotic,
stop being impolite,i never said mihawk is the strongest nor that zoro will be someday,the best possible scenari is that zoro will be equal to luffy in the end

also my theory is that since zoro always fights the second strongest,in the end luffy will fight the strongest WB so that makes mihawk the 2nd strongest there is

Buggy is definitely going to improve. Also, BB just gained his DF. He is trying to figure out all the possibilities.

is definately??? speculation maybe??? so indeed there is no evidence to back it up

Here you go again. Mihawk stronger than Shanks? We don't know that for sure. Others can become stronger too, but as I said BB just gained a new abilities and he still tries to use his power at full potential. Therefore, he is going to improve faster than other characters.

oh he is going to improve faster? when you have a theory about something that isn't stated it's speculation but you know when you are sure about something that isn't stated it is called fanboyism

most times i get easily offended and i wouldn't answer any of your posts if you didn't flame that much but "i am unlike those idiots who use their all to hunt rabbits",if phenoimenal or FFA debate me on shanks vs mihawk i will answer but i won't waste my time on you

@$abZ:

Read the first post? You said Blackbeard couldn't get any stronger on that. That's what he's questioning. Frankly, you must be a fool to think that Blackbeard can't get any stronger. Name one reason why he can't?

There's always one MAIN villian. Okay, in better terms… the final villian. I see the final villian being BB, making Dragon, WB and Sengoku just... main villians. Not final villians.

Luffy will be pissed at BB... which makes the final fight even more interesting. Do you think Nami will let Luffy go of course just to find someone... who Luffy won't have a clue where he is. GL citizens have been the ones telling the SHs what the next island is, so it'd be impossible for Luffy to know where the Shichibukai HQs are (if BB earns a spot).

What evidence shows BB won't be main villian. Read my post on the other thread... it's all evidence with relevance to the manga. And don't mention your previous posts as evidence... because there isn't anything good on them to show BB won't be main villian.

:getlost: it seems that all these pollution to the environment is bad after all

all the persons in the OP world have a standard power,no? name one villain that has goten stronger

so if BB can become stronger that made a scar to a young shanks and we don't even know if he won then mihawk who is stronger than shanks (as they are both SM) can't become stronger?? or WB or sengoku or shanks? why can't they becme stronger??? why only BB can? is it because you are a fanboy and you are easily impressed???

i suppose you were one of those people that thought franky would own zoro just cuz he first broke blueno's tekkai first and seem to beat luffy

i will see the ther posts later and i will respond

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Blackbeard was definitely on shanks level since he scared shanks. Now over the years in one piece you don't get weaker, you only get stronger.

Now if we look at the two different lifestyles shanks has been fighting his other half Mihawk, he's created a a crew of powerful men and is known as an emporer for his strength.

Blackbeard has been lying in wait for his DF, hiding in the shadows not wanting people to see his strength.

Now over this time period it is possible shanks has surpassed blackbeard. Although once blackbeard got that DF it has placed him back on par or stronger than shanks.

If he has become stronger he will most likely be a final villain possibility, but I think he will be 2nd from last. Luffy will fight him making it look like the final battle and then out of nowhere dragon will pop-up. Using this perfect moment to start his revolution and maybe doflamingo is part of the revolution too.

He may be posing as a shichibukai, with all his talk of creating a new world and trying to start a war. It seems to me he may be part of the revolution, that's just a theory though.

well the theory on doflamingo being part of the revolutin is fantastic

waste no time and make a thread for it!! i am not kidding,you can call it conspiracy theories!

@IT'S:

psolaras
Avatar: slightly spastic 9/10
Signature: A classic (but grainy) moment. 6/10 for the Kizaru theory.

thanks! well an admiral has to leave for coby to take his place but if he is a killing maniac that laughs from sanity i am taking it back!!

also 10 for your sig and 9 for your avatar (i prefered when you had a picture of a lion,it was hilarious and matching your name!) and what you say about chopper in your sig is??????? (do you mean f@#d$$ bunnies and staff?)

EDIT: new sig (as a future computer programmer) and time to re upload those books

@Hawkeye:

Yu Yu Hakusho- three rulers Raizen, Yomi, and Mukuro
Bleach- Im not sure there are three big things but if i had to pick any 3 - Shinigami, Hollow(and all types counting Arrancar), and Vizard?

people are forgeting that there is also the hell world in bleach,like that kingdom or whatever it is that aizen wants to make the key,it is too early to understand everything in bleach

@Ronaldinho:

I don't understand why BB can't become stronger. He just got his DF and is improving. He made Shanks a scar before he got his DF which suggests that he is a monster without his DF. Right now, it looks like as iff BB is going to be the main villain and as the manin villain he has to be stronger than anyone else in the One Piece world right?

the mods are waiting for spamming,but i won't spam

read the first post,everything there is to know about shanks or BB is there

and if BB is the main villain what does that make WB or sengoku or dragon?

propably BB will be faced by luffy not in the end,after all when luffy hears about ace will he wait to face BB??? or will he go right after him???

others may suggest that BB is definately the main villain but i will wait to see what happens but all evidence shows BB isn't and won't be,the whole idea of the constant fight of good vs evil is ridiculous and especially in one piece

@Impel:

Oh, so I don't get rated?

zero for both yor avatar and sig

@IT'S:

The Puppet Fruit wouldn't explain how Robin got licked by an invisible tongue.

:wub: that was quite a scene!!!!!!!!!!!! :wub:

@BlackGalleon1:

He didn't create an element [fire] with his feet, he created heat as a result of the friction from spinning (I think). Creating elements with his feet would imo be stupid, boring and unoriginal. Anyway, how would Oda explain it: rubbing his legs/feet together creating static/friction causing electricity/fire,or maybe his trousers/shoes ate a DF?

well oda explained in a recent sbs that sanji's upgrade came from the heat in his heart

and kakaliaha we don't know if BB is stronger than the first division captain or not

@Impel:

Sanji's upgrade is Flambe Jambe. Or he could attach metal to his legs like Regal in Tales of Symphonia.

well maybe he could create other elements too with his legs,maybe

why are the dials so popular? franky's waver could be way better than nami's in skypiah,let's wait to see it

@JcFiction:

Perhaps it is in the nature of swordsmen like Shanks and Zoro to develop frightening "spirits"… if so, I have an idea of what Zoro vs Mihawk will eventually be like towards the end of the series. Zoro keeps bringing out demon spirits, including ones more powerful than Asura, while Mihawk uses animal spirits to back up his black sword.

But how is Sanji gonna upgrade?! I'm ever so curious.

well we don't know about mihawk or shanks but anyway someday we will find out

sanji may set for a start both his legs on fire,honestly i dunno,zoro's main and needed upgrades are obvious to his fans but as for sanji i don't know

i think if he or usopp got a DF nobody would mind,sanji is a tricky case,he might stop evolving sometime and leave a huge gap betweem him and zoro and luffy but we will see,though i am as anxious as you are!

and i explained about the yonkou and the schichibukai,they are equal and everything else should be left to oda

and about the apis arc i don't think they asked him,in many anime the story has completely changed track from the manga but about grand times,well it would be ridiculous if anyone could post mumbo jumbo withoud an aproval so i am sticking that it is aproved by oda so it clear things up even to the most suspicious

@$abZ:

Lol. When the hell did I say that BB was stronger than WB? I said that Shanks is warning WB that BB may become stronger.

As I said, he can't take on WB, and he's building a crew. WB has a crew, so BB needs a crew to fight against it and to generally be classed as a better pirate (with a cre and all).

Whitebeard is in bad condition. Well, not-perfect condition. They said he shouldn't be drinking rum (why, coz he ain't well) and there's nurses around him. You can't believe he hasn't got weaker. In his prime, he was named Roger's equal. But still, now he is still the strongest man in the world, even if he has got weaker.

Luffy said he will fight Whitebeard for One Piece. Luffy will fight ANYONE if they try to get what he wants. Blackbeard is one of them. Your arguement is weak.

Whitebeard's place is the strongest man in the world. He is not PK. Blackbeard is trying to steal his spot (strongest man, closest to OP). Steal… could be by brute force. As I've said, Blackbeard is growing in power, and Shanks is warning Whitebeard that Blackbeard is becomong as powerful as him.

Luffy will most likely fight Blackbeard at the end. Whitebeard will not be the last one to fight for One Piece... he hasn't got it in 22 years. He's lame.

when shanks entered WB's ship and made people fade did he get attacked by someone? or when he fought WB did someone attack him? BB needing a bigger crew and defeating WB is 2 different things,if BB chalenged WB and vice versa to a fight nobody would interfere or attack BB,on the other hand the BB pirates did attack ace so if anyone would cheat that is BB not WB,BB can't become stronger but he will try to steal WB's position,but that doesn't make his stronger,mr.3 set a trp to both the giants wjth the bomb in the wine and he trapped brogy and he escaped mr.5 helped him,now that was planned,like BB will also have a plan to take out WB if he succeeds

and WB isn't pathetic,the only thing roger could do that everyother pirate couldn't do and luffy can also do,is reading the poneglyphs,IMO that is the key to one piece and the reason only roger and luffy and nobody else will go to raftel

@Pants-eater:

Marines are organised, the Yonkou do whatever they want and the Schichibukai are unscrupulous.

Actually, it is like that for every side except in different amounts.

EDIT:

I think it would make things clearer if people stated which hypothetical they believe in. I think it's number 3.

dude it's the obvious

EDIT: when i wake i will post a question that will spice things up

@Fire Fist:

Quit saying stuff like this or they'll take your right to the word away again. :-3

Grand times is going off info from the manga. Okay. But it wasn't written by Oda. Just because Oda approved it doesn't mean much. Apis Arc?

Well the powers are equal. 7 Gods = Yonkou = Marines

How do you know?????? I dont think your a Yonkou fanboy.
Are you?????

Yeah, I didn't think you'd know what emphasis is. Emphasis means you're pointing out something to prove a point. In Shanks' case, he was pointing out to Whitebeard that Blackbeard is dangerous if he could do that to him, a Yonkou.

Besides, Whitebeard made a big deal about his scar, too.

7 gods are missing a guy. They don't equal anyone right now.

In POWER only. The Yonkou are the "World's Greatest Pirates", and I'm gonna go on a limb and suggest that the Marines (Being a military force) are a helluva lot more organized than seven guys with sticks up their asses (Shichibukai) or big-name pirates (Yonkou).

so ace you are accepting that they are equal in power?

@WHITEBEARD:

Thanks for your Logic Pants eater.

Well the 7 Gods need another member.

You can be happy about that FFA.

so you are saying to form an alliance like the 7 gods of debating?

i am on to that!

so the 7 gods are me,u,phenom,FFA,OiP but the other 2??:sad:

thank god i predicted all this!!!!! discuss people!!!!

@CodedTech:

He didn't say Embina twice. He said Asura twice.

One
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Two
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He also started to transform before in this flury attacks when he began to overwhelm Kaku.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3466/onepiecec417p15es5.png
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7799/onepiecec417p16gw8.png

Only Once.
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8616/onepiecev40189nullck0.png

first of all i didn't say he said enbima twice and who cares if he said it 50 times? it is my way,asura is like enbima

i won't answer another post like this cuz it will be considered as spamming,sorry

@ONEinchPUNCH:

@psolaras:

Ok now picture this.

Blackbeards fighting ability is on par or better than shanks without a fruit. Now add the DF and he becomes far more powerful than shanks.

E.g While fighting on par with shanks he decides to use his DF to have objects constantly being thrown at shanks. He could also have the ground around shanks colapse and distort gravity itself.

Now if shanks is on par with Blackbeard without a DF, he would be using all his strength to block and counter. That means if Blackbeard were to throw all those objects at shanks, he would have to block those as well.

Now if he is on par with blackbeard blocking all those objects would allow blackbeard an opening causing shanks to lose.

Now do you understand what I'm saying?

i can picture it but let's wait and see oda stating more,my speculation is that shanks is stronger

@tony-kun:

So thats not enough to prove or disprove my idea.

lol, i posted that idea and said someone had a theory like….. in a thread about roger having luffy's fruit (and a part of that theory in chapter 443 thread) cuz i was embarassed to make that much speculation i posted that theory plus that only a certain person can have a cartain DF so 2 people can't have the same ability in the same time so i suggested that shanks took roger's fruit from his execution and then luffy ate it 22 years after but anyway good thought

@CodedTech:

With the Yonezu Enmbina Onigiri, it was jus that. With the Asura he first said "Demon Ki Nine Sword Style: Asura" then before doing a move he said "Asura: Ichibugin", the first time, he didn't do any "Ichibugin" or an attack, he went into that form, then he said it again before doing the "Ichibugin" attack like he usually says the type of form before the technique. Otherwise, why repeat it twice?

You could say Luffy couldn't do Soru without having superior speed, he used the Soru in Gear 2, the upgrade is Gear 2, despite whatever prequisite that was neccessary, not the improvement in those areas.

asura was just a frm a devil made by his demon ki,nothing more

also your theory on zoro saying asura twice being an evidence is a style is wrong since he hasn't said any attack twice

he took the asura form first and when he made his attack it ha said asura ichibigun like he said enbima onigiri and this ends the discussion

@ONEinchPUNCH:

You see if he was already as strong/stronger than shanks without that fruit, he would now be twice as strong. Just seems a bit over-powered to me, but hey anything is possible.

well i hope you aren't considering the false translation which said he absorbs something and throws it x2 cuz he didn't absorb and throw any of ace's flames

and i think his fruit gives him an advantage with sucking things and negating DF powers but all is done afterwards by his physical strenght

also how did he do the scar to shanks?? i say there is the possibility of BB showing us he normal form while he may have some upgrades like luffy's gears

@ONEinchPUNCH:

You mean the complainers will arrive stating this isn't an intelligent thread?

They will then urge us to create intelligent threads about buggy and brookes long lost relatives. After reuniting those long lost family members, they will then attempt to link lucci and mihawk.

They both have FACIAL HAIR!! they must be related!!!

why haven't i thought of that!!!

Well anyway I agree with zoro's demon ki it's only going to get stronger and eventually reach shanks. Although shanks ki doesn't seem demonic, seems more like good (or angel) ki. When zoro reaches that level it may have a more evil effect.

The powers are equal but we know that (apart from a few complainers) so I'm not going to go into detail.

Blackbeard and shanks?

Now this a touchy topic, they had a fight 20 years ago according to your flag info (maybe less if that turns out to be false).

Shanks received a nasty gash and blackbeard has half his teeth missing, a winner is hard to determine.

Now during these 20 years we know shanks has been fighting mihawk, travelling the grandline creating the crew he has today and partying. So it's safe to assume his strength improved drastically.

Blackbeard however has been on whitebeards ship hiding in his shadow, doesn't seem like hard training to me. Now let's say shanks has over taken him in strength due to Blackbeard lieing in wait for his DF. Blackbeard eats his DF and is now back on par with shanks or maybe even stronger.

Now none of that is definite, the only thing that is truly a fact is shanks fears blackbeards strength. So mybe shanks recently met blackbeard with his fruit and knows he has become stronger than shanks himself.

It would also explain how he knew ace couldn't beat him since there is no known logia hitting technique yet (even though there will be).

well shanks couldn't have met BB since BB is on the first part of the GL as ace said and shanks is on the new world but you are right in some points

and i know that a technique to hit logia exist,there is no logic to a theory that a mere trash like cabaji could eat a logia fruit and defeat hawk eyes or WB and sea stone is cheating for the top dogs so i think there is a way to hit them,since sanji can light fire in his legs everything is possible!!!

also how many people do you think can hit logia?? i say since aokiji,the strongest admiral is logia,only sengoku must know it from the marines,mihawk and WB from the pirates and maybe shanks and anther select phew

but BB not knowing a technique like this makes me sceptical for his comparison with shanks