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    Posts made by Phenomenol

    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @AD-HD:

      Does it say invidual powers?
      No, it say their power. Yeah, but only combined power. Because otherwise 4 can't be equal to 7, remember? Their invidual strenght is so big that only Shichibukais combined power can stand that. And this go to Marine HQ too. And of course Mihawk is big help to Shichibukais.
      (Combined power) Yonkous = (Combined power) Shichibukais = (Combined power) Marine HQ.

      No, this is just made up again. If that was the case Mihawk would NOT be stronger than an Emperor (Shanks) INDIVIDUALLY Already!!!!!!:getlost:

      The Powers are equal.

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @AD-HD:

      Grand Times huh?
      It says their power. Not powers, power. Which could mean that their combined powers equals, let's say to seven Shichibukais.

      Exactly. Four of them. Their combined power equals to (seven) Shichibukais combined power. Otherwise it won't make sense.
      That thing says nothing about their inviduals powers.

      It means that the powers are equal! Thanks for understanding.

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @AD-HD:

      Well, do you have any decent proof that Yonkou inviduals aren't strongest ones?
      And do you have any good proof that Luffy isn't stronger than Zoro?

      Yep…......

      四皇を止める力として、世界政府は海軍と王下七武海を従える。
      The World Government has Marine and Shichibukai as forces to stop the Yonkou.

      海軍 - 海上の治安を守る、世界政府機関のひとつ。敵は同じだが、王下七武海とは相容れない。
      Marine - One of the World Government's organization that protects safety on the sea. Even though they have same enemy, they are not in friendly term with Shichibukai. (They don't work together.)

      王下七武海 - 利益の一部を上納することで、世界政府から略奪を許されている。海賊への抑止力という意味もあり、その実力 も折り紙つきだ。
      Shichibukai - By paying part of the profit, they are permitted to plunder by the World Government. This works as a restraint against the other pirates, and their ability is unquestioned.

      四皇 - "偉大なる航路"後半の海にて、皇帝のごとき力を誇る海賊。頭は4人だが、その戦力は他の世界的勢力と並ぶ 。
      Yonkou - Pirates that shows emperor-like power in the later half of the "Grandline." Even though there are only four of them, their power equals to the other world forces.

      Marine = Shichibukai = Yonkou!

      Luffy and Zoro are equals because they fought and tied and have YET to figth again to prove who really is the strongest.

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @AD-HD:

      Oh man, why aren't we talking anymore about Zoro altering reality or Kaku summoning spirits. That shit was funny.

      What's funny is you keep sayng that the Yonkou are the strongest power and Luffy is STRONGER than Zoro with NO evidence at all. that @#$% is funny.😆

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @Ronaldinho:

      Croc also had a blade. Sand blade I think it was called. He even used poison to kill Luffy. And he also was able to use his strongest attacks against Luffy. It's funny that you say Croc overcame his weakness. Luffy was dependent on his water. Look how Croc said that he would be nothing without his water. Luffy tried during the 2nd fight o defeat Croc andd to protect his water. The fight against, he was not dependent on something. He is made of rubber naturally. Think of the 2nd fight against Croc as if you are fighting a bunch of kids and you must also protect your sister, child etc. I think you would do a lot better without the need of protecting something. Luffy showed us his advantage over Croc in the 3rd fight, since he was not dependent on his water. Luffy also was very very lucky against Enel. Imagine he woldn't have the ball made of gold. Also, it's a bit strange that you think that the current Zoro can take out Enel. You say that he has gotten stronger from Scypia arc to Enies Lobby. But Luffy also did from Alabasta to Scypia.

      The fact of the matter is that Crocodile Overcame his weakness and killed Luffy, Crocodile then states that is the LEVEL of a Shichibukai. Ener Got raped the Entire time in his OWN arc, he had Luffy's weakness, Mantra and the Speed of lightning. Yet Ener got the physical beat down.

      I don't think he was in control the entire fight. Look the scene where he almost got his arm bitten off. Look at Shark on Darts. Don Krieg dominated their fight. Luffy was totally exhausted. And Luffy would have died if Sanji wouldn't have rescued him.

      As soon as Luffy was saved by Sanji by coming out of the water Arlong was getting beat the entire time. Luffy SLAMMED Arlong into the Ground he didn't bite his arm off. Luffy stopped Shark on Darts then broke Arlong's nose. Don Kreig got his rectum kicked and the fight was over water.

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    • RE: In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru would be?

      @Aldrich:

      Don't be jealous. If you stop taking part in this kind of tardfest, and somehow gain some wit, intelligence, and more important modesty, I'm sure you'll eventually be as popular as me one day.

      To be as popular as Aldrich at AP forum is nothing really gamistras, All you have to do is make fun of Ussopp fans!!!

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @Pants-eater:

      First…Later...Even later...

      This is funny because he contradicts himself.

      Weak.

      If you read who those posts were DIRECTED at It will show you that I am not contradicting myself.

      LOL! you took the time to try and own me just because I spanked you in previous threads. Get off of my chain and quit holding my Jewlery!!!!!!!

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    • RE: In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru would be?

      Sorry missed this….

      @Ronaldinho:

      Enel had Luffy's weakness? Luffy's only weakness was that he could not take the heat just as everyone else in the SH crew. Corc also has his weakness. All of his attacks had an effect on Luffy. Altough Enel had Mantra and the speed of light, he still couldn't use his best offensive powers against Luffy. All he could do was escape. Imagine a Croc without his offensive powers. Basically, Croc would only has his phiscal strength and his defense.

      Yeah, Ener stated and had a "BLADE" that was able to hurt Luffy. Crcodile OVERCAME his weakness and STILL killed Luffy while Ener just got his @#$ kicked and could NOT adjust. That is the level of Shichibukai, Ener is none of that.

      If I remember right,, Arlong almost bit his arm off. Even Krieg gave Luffy a better fight than Enel did. The fight between Luffy and Enel and Luffy against Croc fight3 was very similar. The first to fights were to Luffy's disadvantage because he didn't know Croc's weakness. If Luffy would not be immune against Enel best attcks, he would be dead by now.

      No, Luffy slammed Arlong many times and was in control of the entire fight. Kreig? LOL that was a battle over water and Krieg kept getting owned. Also Luffy knew Croc's weakness was water and used it in the second fight and STILL got killed. Luffy kicked Ener's #$% with physical attacks ALL Skypiea LONG…....how boring.

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    • RE: In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru would be?

      @Le:

      However, How come he did not just use it to defeat Enel?

      …you aren't serious, are you?

      It doesn't matter if Zoro didn't use it against Ener or Not. The fact of the matter is that he can and he would have KILLED Ener with a technique like that.

      Yes Zoro Altered Reality with that technique, have you ever watched DBZ or read any Marvel/DC comics?:wassat:

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    • RE: In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru would be?

      @Le:

      Dismissing lightning is different than dismissing air. And if he could kill with the breath of all things, he should have done so in his earlier confrontation against Enel.

      this is why it is called the "Breath of ALL THINGS!"….

      Zoro: {The falling rock was like a living thing… I felt its presence...
      Not presence... it was stronger than that... just like...
      "BREATH"...
      The breath... of rock....
      Trees have the breath of trees.
      Soil has the breath of…
      Is that what he meant…?}

      <<sensei: you="" see,="" there="" are="" swordsmen="" in="" this="" world="" that="" can="" cut="" nothing.<br="">Zoro: {So does "cutting nothing" mean… to know their "breath"...?!</sensei:>

      Also, Zoro's Asura technique DID Alter Reality it basically turned Kaku's attack into mist and Zoro ran right through it.

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    • RE: In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru would be?

      @Cap'n:

      Is there some kind of conception that Luffy automatically one hit KO'd Ener by revealing that he's made of rubber? From my recollection, he still gave Luffy a really tough fight even though his thunder powers didn't work on him.

      And, like Oda said, Luffy was severely lucky to be made of rubber. Saying he's Shichibukai level isn't too outlandish.

      LOL! You think Ener immobilizing Luffy with a Giant Ball and playing keep away is giving Luffy a tough fight.

      Ener couldn't overcome his weakness but Crocodile DID!!!! That is the level of Shichibukai….........

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    • RE: In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru would be?

      Yeah Big ups to Psolares, Man it feels like he is still apart of this Forum.😁

      You will get the song later.👅^^^

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    • RE: In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru would be?

      @Ronaldinho:

      Ener only lossed to Luffy because he couldn't use his best attacks against Luffy. It was a totally unfair fight. The argument that Luffy had more difficulty beating Croc is also not a good support for your point. By your logic, even Arlong is stronger than Enel. You aslo don't know if Croc is the weakest Shichibukai.

      Ener had Luffy's "WEAKNESS" and still got his @#$ kicked. Also, I don't think Mantra and having the speed of lightning puts Ener in an "UNFAIR" position.Luffy had NO trouble against Arlong. If you watch the fight Luffy was in control the entire time. I said Croc POSSIBLY being the weakest.

      Are you saying that Zoro cannot beat Croc? And I always thought you were a Luffy=Zoro 100% supporter.

      Zoro like Luffy would have ended up getting killed TWICE!

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    • RE: In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru would be?

      @$abZ:

      I never said all logias are ultimate powers. I said they are all dangerous.

      If you see how easily Eneru disposed of Zoro, Robin, Viper and the rest… without breaking a sweat... then you'd understand that he could become a shichibukai. And you said it yourself... "Zoro could beat Crocodile"... and Eneru could beat Zoro... so Eneru can make Shichibukai status.

      Zoro can beat Crocodile?😆 😆 (Farting Again)!

      No…..Crocodile KILLED….Do you understand.....KILLED Luffy TWICE!!!! Ener GOT HIS ASS BEAT by Luffy All day long in his OWN HOUSE.

      Ener is NOT Shichibukai level.

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    • RE: In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru would be?

      @AD-HD:

      Fart as much you want but truth is that Eneru is in at least in Shichibukais level.

      And because you don't like him, you can't stand it.

      LOL! "Truth" you say? Ener got the Eminem stuffing knocked out of him by Luffy all throughout Skypiea. While Crocodile (possibly the weakest Shichibukai) Kicked Luffy's @$%& TWICE!!!!!

      Ener is NOT…NOT…..Shichibukai Level.

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    • RE: In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru would be?

      Ener…..a World power candidate? Bwhhahwhahwhahwhhahahahahahahaha (laughing and farting)!

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      Sorry gamistras, Mihawk and Shanks are equal just like Luffy and Zoro are equal. How Ironic for all of these charcters to be intertwined as equal.

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    • RE: In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru would be?

      @Impel:

      I dare anyone here to name 5 OP charecters, sans Luffy, who could beat Enel and then put about 1-2 sentences as to why.

      Whitebeard- Strongest Man in the World
      Mihawk- Strongest Swordsman in the World
      Blackbeard- Yami powers
      Shanks-Rivaled Mihawk and currently fighting Whiteebard
      Aokiji- Strongest Admiral

      I can name others that would knock Ener back up stream but those should do!

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    • RE: Power Level Clarification Guide

      Carter that was weak.

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    • RE: In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru would be?

      @Impel:

      What with Mantra and all that. I honestly think that Enel would p4wn WB.

      Whitebeard is the Strongest Man in the World!!!

      Also look at what Cap'n Carter posted. Ener would get his %*#@ kicked in the Blue seas. Also take note on how Oda Eiichiro himself quotes Luffy when talking about Ener.

      Their are plenty of guys who would rape Ener!!!!!

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @$abZ:

      My arguement isn't Luffy > Zoro, it's about the things we have and how they don't PROVE anything. Where is your proof that 6 = 6 in the chart? Where is your proof that 6 isn't a sixth?

      I have no proof that the chart does NOT mean that Luffy = Zoro. But you have no proof that Luffy = Zoro. You have a hint… but no proof.

      Oh, and before you say "but 6 = 6"... read this. A combination of me and your friend OIP.

      vvvv

      6 equals 6 because the NUMBER 6 is posted and not the WORD sixth on the chart!😴

      Luffy and Zoro have fought trying to KILL….KILL each other and yet noone was able to land a blow on each other. That means even.

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @$abZ:

      Lol… who's being ignorant now.

      I proved that as it is presented, the chart never stated the value of 6… so that proves that 6 = 6 isn't presented. Stop being childish and counter this.

      LOL! So you proved something that was NEVER there in the first place!!!:wassat:

      $abz where is your proof that the chart does NOT mean that Luffy and Zoro are equal? Where is the infinite evidence that shows Luffy being stronger than Zoro?

      THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU TO PROVE YOUR CLAIMS!!!!

      @Bedrock:

      It furthermore means that AD-HD is right - it´s all terrible old stuff and by that quite questionable…

      No, Ad-HD is saying that Luffy with his Gears is stronger than Zoro with his Asura which is false. I can easily say that Zoro's Asura can be stronger than Luffy, which is making baseless claims.
      OIP do NOT…..I mean do NOT reply until he answers these questions?????

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @Steiner:

      LoL, just because he is a moderater and he said that it doesn't mean it is the be all end all of the arguement. Moderator status just means that he is a moderator for this forum not that he speaks for Oda so no insult to Cosmic, but being a moderator doesn't make his words any better than anyone else's. Also using your own arguements that unless it is specifically stated it isn't true, then since your precious graph doesn't say that it includes the gears and asura it must not then since it isn't specifically stated. You saying that he made that graph with those abilities in mind is your own speculation.

      And yet do you understand that Luffy and Zoro's upgrades in techniques really does NOT put one above the other? They are still equal even with Asura and Gears.

      Another red herring, plus again relying on equivocation: contexts are different plus the word is ambiguous. Try avoiding the formal implication some more, maybe I'll forget about it in a few hundred pages more of your failure. Same response to OneInch. More logical fallacies. How many do you want to keep posting? You're wrong, the burden of proof is upon you, but you're too busy setting up straw man arguments. I'm done. You can't prove it, you just keep throwing logical fallacy after logical fallacy. I doubt you'll ever understand it. Maybe when you guys go to college or highschool you'll learn about it.

      Do you understand that STRONGEST MAN MEANS exactly that? Strongest Man in the world. Noone is above Whitebeard until proven otherwsie!!!!!

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @AD-HD:

      It doesn't matter what chart says. Why?
      Because it's old. Anyone with a brains can understand that things have changed.

      😴 😴 AD-HD, Since the book is old…...MIHAWK IS STRONGER THAN YOUR FAVORITE CHARACTER IN SHANKS…...(Go ahead, tell the mods......)

      @$abz: YOUR ARGUMENT IS RECYCLED!!!

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @$abZ:

      Wigan 1-0 Newcaslte United!!!!

      Oh My God! Wigan are a better team than Newcastle United overall because they won in one single match!!!! wtf!!!!

      When infact, Newcaslte are the better team…

      Low figures do not prove anything. Oda NEVER said that the number 6 wasn't a sixth of the SH PLs.

      Therefore you can't back up the chart.

      Except this is NOT a soccer game! Anything can happen in a TEAM sport. You have a bunch of other team mates to rely on and abunch of teammates that can MESS you up as well. Alot of things can factor into a ball game (officials, etc), so going off of a score that does NOT represent the teams skills or abilities is false analogy.

      Luffy and Zoro are in MORTAL COMBAT, one on one fight and nobody to depend on but their OWN individual statistics. Luffy and Zoro's Strength is 6 and they tied in a fight, therefore EQUAL in Strength. Or we can say that Mihawk is STRONGER than Shanks.😴

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @Pants-eater:

      For some reason, I keep thinking of a little clique of people who spend their entire time talking about how cool their clothes or complimenting other on their make up and arguing about Jumpers vs. Sweaters. Then they point and giggle about how rich and famous the guy who just walked past them was.

      You ever post in a so called "intelligent thread?" A "clique" of people do what you are talking about all the time!😴

      Data Book and Manga is always correct, don't hate because some people here go off of facts.

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @AD-HD:

      Two things:
      1: Asura is way more different move than gear 2. In Asura, Zoro just get more swords. Nothing more. We don't even know is it a state or not.
      2. Luffy have gear 3 also.

      And Luffy just increases his speed and sacrifices his strength or vice versa in his Gears, nothing more. While Zoro satys balanced with added techniques, Asura turned crap into mist I don't see why you think that is so weak.

      @MonkeyDMalcom:

      bounties= crime agaisnt the goverment dragon= most wanted not worlds strongest

      according to OiP duoriki= athletics

      if douriki= power how come sanji was able to beat jyabura

      sanji= 20 douriki
      jyabura= 1700+

      Here you go…...

      Aokiji: Your bounty amount isn't ONLY a measurement of how "strong" you are.
      It's also an indicator of the level of danger you pose to the government.

      ONEinchPUNCH is right Doriki is just a measurement of your "ATHLETICS!" it also was used to gauge the power of the CP9 members. It also can be considered a power level.

      @yvj:

      Let's take a look at these for a moment

      http://www.onepiecehq.com/manga-view…ece-422-11.jpg

      From there to here http://www.onepiecehq.com/manga-view…ece-422-11.jpg

      I don't see how you can call his Gear Three moves slow on release They look pretty damn quick to me and if we are to take take in acount the massive size of the moves…..Well dude

      I need you to explain how you can say Zorro won't get hit by them.

      Granted the drawback is that his fist or feet are slow to return to him....but saying Zorro won't get hit

      That's a pretty big leap of faith.

      This is why Zoro won't get hit…....

      Lucci: It seems that your increase in power comes at a COST to your speed. Your fighting style could really use some BALANCE…

      Only reason why Luffy was able to hit Lucci with Gear 3 is because he thought he could take it with Tekkai. Zoro won't have that problem. All of their techniques and increase in power still made them EQUAL.

      @WolfWood:

      ehhh when was it ever made obvious that Shanks is weaker than Mihawk ? so far they have never fought on screen hell weve barley even seen them fight at all and nor do you have a data book rating on which you can base your argument on so i dont see any airtight case for that.

      For the simple fact that Mihawk is the STRONGEST swordsman in the world and Shanks is a swordsman. Also Mihawk has LOST interest in Shanks therefore see's Zoro as the successor!!!

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @MonkeyDMalcolm:

      Phenomnal they are no power levels in OP.

      Oh…I don't know......How about bounties and douriki?! These are things that meansure strength.

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @MonkeyDMalcolm:

      It was still luffy > croc in the end. Even if zoro finds croc weakness he wouldn't have been able to exploit it like luffy and probally would have ended up just like robin. Your saying 6=6 = fighting ability zoro= luffy zoro and luffy has had a common opponent which luffy has been luffy has won.

      So you are saying that Zoro's swords dipped in water would not "exploit" Crocodile's weakness? Zoro would kill Crcodile FASTER than Luffy did if that had happened. Lets not forget about the new technique that Zoro had in the Alabasta arc the "Breath!" Zoro would have killed Croc. Zoro and Luffy for all intents and purposes are equal in combat.

      Smokers weakness fire him and ace fought to a draw. So with sanji fire kick makes it sanji = smoker which means sanji > luffy > zoro. Since luffy can't beat smoker zoro can't win either. So niether of them can beat sanji. This is your theory that im using by the way. Also Ao Joki ICe powers have to be weak to fire so once again based on your logic sanji would be able to beat luffy and zoro because he can beat the other dudes.

      I don't get the logic of this post? Ace's Fire powers are completely different from Sanji's Heat Leg! Ace is on a different level from Sanji and So is Smoker. You can NOT compare characters like that.

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @Nauykuyr:

      Their opponents weren't equal in "strength", if douriki is an indication.

      Lucci: 4000
      Kaku: 2200
      Jyubara: 2180

      Oda has been building up Sanji vs. Zoro since they arrived on the Little Garden where they competed. It's also where Zoro lost to Mr 3, who Luffy then proceeded to defeat and save Zoro.

      Douriki ONLY measures your ATHLETICS!!! and we all know Zoro beat down Kaku.

      Sanji?:wassat: No…...that is wrong, Zoro and Sanji NEVER had a real fight like Luffy and Zoro had. Sanji is NOT on Zoro's level that is ridiculous. Luffy and Zoro are the equals!!

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      MORE sig material…........

      @$abZ:

      Nah… it wasn't really good enough to reply too.

      @$abZ:

      I agree. OIP isn't OWNING people, because if he did… they would not have been able to reply with anything.

      You just owned yourself!

      Prove to me what his true intentions were. Prove to me he didn't use maths. Prove to me that he actually meant Luffy = Zoro with the number 6, which is low.

      Prove it with a statement from Oda.

      Because the manga battle supports is "low number."😁

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      Thanks for ignoring my post!….. ^^^

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @$abz:

      Lol… this supports my theory.

      Since Oda didn't write "Hey, 6=6 btw and I did no maths", that means you guys are speculating too.That answer is no good.

      SIG MATERIAL!!!!…........

      Wrong, don't try and twist my post around. You saying that Oda used a rough estimation is bullocks. 6=6 which means SAME, EQUAL; If I have six jelly beans in one hand and I have six in the other that means that the BALANCE IS EQUAL!!!!!

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @$abz:And let me requote myself for something that you did NOT address. This is the answer

      @Phenomenol:

      Prove to me that Oda wipes his @#%&* with his left hand? If it is NOT written down in the data book or the manga it can NOT be discussed. .

      ^^^^

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      Can you plese use the quote system?

      @Gaiyae:

      Your just speculating.. I get the feeling that you 2 want it this way, just because you like Zoro so much.. I want FACTS.. things that you dont seem to give..

      WTF?:wassat: We are giving you facts stright from the manga and character guides. I am not a fan of Zoro nor Luffy, just pointing out the obvious.

      Agreed, but it still is used in combat… Same goes for smarts. Your talking like it's impossible to outsmart anyone in OP because strenght cant be overcome by brawn in OP (like nami did with Califa) . That was never stated.. And if nami was so strong... how can she couldn't move as fast as Califa? Strength had to do with every fighting ability right? Where talking about ODA here, not Akira Toriyama.How the HELL do you know, it was NEVER stated. Quit making FACTS out of thin air. I think you keep confusing OP with some anime made by Akira Toriyama. Oda never stated that STRENGTH was everything. HE NEVER DID, and unless its proven otherwise.. you cant come up with those fake facts of yours.

      Are you watching or reading One Piece with your eye's closed? Strength is usually everything in Luffy and Zoro's battles! Don't try and compare Nami or Ussopp's battles and dreams with Zoro's or Luffy's. Your trying to fit a square into a circle. BTW Akira Toriyama is "GOD" in Oda Eiichiro's eye's, hell in many manga writers eye's. He did change the manga genre!!!!!

      So your telling.. that lets say Usopp battles von Auger.. that he may have a tough battle. But when Zoro would battle von Auger, he'd kill von Auger in one hit, or it would be a really easy match for him.. Somehow i doubt that. Or else ODA wouldnt constantly put people of the same type against each other. Like Swordsmen vs Zorro, Marshal artist vs Sanji etc. Or maybe nami and Usopp should just leave battle next time ..going with your theory, they don't even have to fight. Since Zoro probably would kill Usopp and Nami's enemy's with one hit because of his "powerlevel"

      Luffy was holding back against Ussop, all the DEXTERITY in the world could not save Ussop from a beat down. The same would be with Zoro he would kill Ussop easily.

      Yes, of course.. now i get it. Enel used his first form, and he later powered up into Final form Freez… uhh i mean Enel. Your pulling those facts out of nothing..

      Listen, what he is saying is if Luffy was NOT rubber he would end up like Zoro.

      @Wolfwood:

      and thats kinda what i was getting on a couple of pages back albeit a little less aggresivly that we dont know that the rating Strength=fighting ability which is why i find it pretty amusing how OIP is riding about on his high horses preaching what he belives to be facts and putting down anyone who disagrees with his interpertation of the chart.

      but like what someone else already said a while back its not like one side is just gonna back down so this is getting kinda pointless.

      Strength in anime/manga is OVERALL power!!! Look at Whitebeard's STRONGEST man in the World title!!! Or when people like Freeza state that they are the STRONGEST in the universe it means just that OVERALL power.

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @GoAnderson:

      … owns... how, exactly? Touting a single digit as undeniable gospel? Insulting his rivals with supposed fact? Color me unimpressed.

      Color me bored….....supposed facts?:wassat: OIP has been going off ACTUAL facts from the data books and the Luffy vs. Zoro fight in the manga. BTW, the manga supports that "single digit" you people dred and hate.

      First point, being the number "6" which you've been bickering about. It's a six. It's a six. As some have said before me (valiant souls, all), I believe, Oda's placing someone on a rough tier is far from a concrete power level. If it was, say, 1,000 and both were equal, I'd think you would have more room to argue. As it stands, it's a single-digit numeral.

      Yeah, A single digit that gagues the strength of the Strawhat Crew, and Luffy and Zoro's strength was 6.

      I don't read this thread thoroughly as, frankly, you people – all of you bickering -- give me a migraine. Rather than saying "read the thread," why can't you sum it up for me? It's just a copy-paste job, I think.

      They say that the data book is just a rough estimation…..They say that fight Luffy and Zoro had was too short.......They say that Luffy is stronger than Zoro because of his Gears.......And I say They are simply speculating!

      @$abz:

      I agree.

      OIP isn't OWNING people, because if he did… they would not have been able to reply with anything. They don't ignore things OIP says, OIP... and especially Phenomenol and WB, ignore things we say or reply with things that we just argued against.

      You are a glutton for punishemnt, You guys don't reply you RECYCLE your argument over and over as if it were fact. Also OIP and Phenomenol don't ignore anything we address everything. BTW, WHITEBEARD is No longer with us I don't know why you keep saying that.

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      Haaa….sits back and watches as OIP owns you people.

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      Internet Tough Guys!!!! Got to love them.^^^

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @Hawkeye:

      Omg i leave for a like a week and you fools are still argueing over something that cant be proved? wait for new data book fools

      Why wait for the NEW data books when most of the people on this forum will ignore it?:wassat:

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @Radical:

      The only person that zoro has fought that was stronger than any villian luffy has fought yet is Mihawk.And mihawk owned both of them.So this statement doesn't matter.Daz bones is no where near top tier in the one piece villians.And they don't use brute strength to win their all their battles.

      no matter what excuses and odds you will put against zoro its still facts.You guys put up a fight that never happened.It would be denial not saying mr 1 can beat luffy is speculation.

      What? Only clear villain that Luffy has fought over Zoro was Crocodile. Yet Zoro fought Daz Bones a character who arguably would KILL Luffy! Not too mention the fact that Luffy's fight against Crocodile is something that ANYONE could have done, Zoro could have dipped his swords in water and in ONE blow it possibly would be over for Crocodile!!! Or what about Zoro's "The Breath of All things" technique??? Which can cut anything! If Zoro would have fought Crocodile he would have beaten Crocodile as well…maybe even faster than Luffy! So please don't use that weak argument about Luffy beating the bosses because Zoro would beat them Too!

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @ONEinchPUNCH:

      yarp, narp? I take you've seen hot fuzz.

      You've given up with speculation and decided to just read the red book and accept the facts? It's about time you lot realized numbers don't change value no matter how much your inner fanboy demands it.

      Yahhoohohohoohhoohoho!!!!!

      Great job OIP!!!!!

      lets all do it…together....Zoro..Yohohohohoooo...equals...Yahooooohhhooo...Luffy!😁

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    • RE: About what shanks and garp said and asura

      @Archtyrant:

      Some, making to about 3 to 4 people altogether, are saying that, since the Red Data book has a chart in which both Luffy's and Zoro's "strength" stat is maxed out at 6, therefore they must be exactly equal, since, they claim, manga in general traditionally use "strength" to determine fighting ability, and that "6 must be = 6"

      And those three to four people use ACTUAL FACTS to back up theor words. The Data book has their strength equal at 6 and the manga proves it when they do battle. Also strength does equate to overall fighting ability, look at Whitebeards strongest man in the world title.

      Everyone else is saying that the chart is open to interpretations, especially since 6 is too small a denomination to make such a claim that Luffy and Zoro are exactly equal in terms of fighting ability. Some cited that Luffy is always fighting the strongest "bosses", some claimed that "strength" cannot be used as the only determining factor in a fight since many others come into play, some even say that since Luffy has a stronger ambition than Zoro, therefore Luffy should ultimately be stronger. There were many other points, but for the moment I can't remember what they are.

      Luffy does NOT fight the stronger bosses, Zoro has fought Mihawk and Daz Boness! Characters that would KILL Luffy. Also in Zoro and Luffy's fights STRENGTH is always the factor whenever they battle an opponent, don't try and compare their fights to Nami's or Ussopp battles. Who cares if Luffy's ambition is suppose to be stronger than Zoro's, too bad even with those ambitions Luffy is NOT stronger than Zoro.

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    • RE: General Blackbeard Thread

      Agreed!!! It is always one of those things that will just happen.^^^

      I just hate to see strong and talented characters lose like that. Especially Crocodile.

      their are some excuses though, It is called Scooter, Author help, cheating, or like hurry up and kill this character because we made him to powerful…..

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