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@Noqanky:
The commentary and fighting is not against sexuality, because when all is said and done, a healthy sexuality is a good thing. But this is not what this is. What we see more than anything is objectification, in which women are treated as objects for male arousal to ridiculous degrees. That has nothing to do with sexuality.
I disagree , objectification is part of sexuality.
@Noqanky:
That's the stuff that's dangerous, because even if most guys are just normal guys who will still have principles and have a functional brain, the message that's being sent is that it's ok for white-cis-hetero-male players to feel entitled to a woman's sexuality as a reward. Because that's what the media is telling them. You do a good thing, you get a woman, bonus!, and then you move on. And that's a dangerous mentality to feed to men because suddenly we have guys interpreting decent, nice behavior as being "led on" and an excuse for sexual aggression, harassment, or rape. Not to mention cases of men feeling entitled to comment on a woman's body exclusively, to cat call, etc. It's a message that preserves an ancient mentality that women exist for the use of men, something which is not true.
That's silly. Plenty of violence in video games and TV. Kids grow up just fine.
@Noqanky:
Additionally, as a gamer it's a practice that insults me in the senses that:
- it leads to the systemic reduction and exclusion of women gamers due to the fact that it forces them to have to deal with a hoard of male gamers that feel entitled to ownership of the entire medium.
- it leads to average women not developing interest in gaming and technology due to it being such a male-centric field that continues to cater exclusively to men, even with several efforts not to do so.
You can't say that for all women. My wife complaints about not enough sexy choice in MMORGs for example.
@Noqanky:
- it leads to overall weaker and faultier games since they're developed to cater to an extremely small-minded world view where the opinion of the white male perseveres while female voices and opinions are silenced (not to mention the voices of people of different cultures and origins as well as LGTBQ groups!.) It makes stories stilted and boring when you constantly have just some gruff guy muttering one liners and women needing rescue and romantic sub-plots that are unnecessary, etc etc. And the sad thing is, this can happen to games we like and respect due to their gameplay. But due to the story arcs and character development being so exclusive and male-centric it's still excluding a majority of the world for no reason whatsoever other than sheer, stupid, reactionary habit. Like seriously, it's like watching a movie and realizing everybody is white and male except for a token black character and a token female character, which makes NO SENSE given how many women exist in the world, not to mention how ethnically diverse the real world is as well.
That's a VERY sex negative attitude. If you want to push for more options then please do. But the "less sex because it's problematic" rhetoric is baseless.
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@Robby:
Then maybe you shouldn't be saying "I agree with the group that openly hates and threatens women." while at the same time apparently not even understanding what the discussion is actually about.
Gamergate doesn't hate women.