Posts made by One Piece Fan

@KageKageKing:

I am 10% sure that Yamato will be somewhat an ally.

Damn. That's a hell of a sureness-level. :happy:

Can I donate to this forum? I've missed it the last weeks although I'm not a regular user.

@sonnet:

I don't like at all how the saga is being conducted.There's no thrill, and this prison seems a joke.Even Dressrosa seemed more scary

And I dislike that seastones doesn't make devil fruit users weak anymore.
And that Kidd seems to be a buddy now. Kidd was introduced as exaggerating violent and brutal. That's definitely not Luffys friend type.

So this chapter basically changed the canon.

@.access:

I suppose it will all fall down to what SMILEs actually are. If they are replicas of real DF, then Momo having a Kaido-like fruit would suggest he also ate a dragon fruit. If, however, they are based on real actual creatures rather than on fruits, Momo's SMILE would have used Kaido as its actual material, so it would be based on his true natural form (a dragon).

Perhaps Momo is the only one who can actually defeat Kaido. Something like a Harry-vs-You-know-who twist.

@Kishido:

So now info about what happened between Dragon and BB

[..]

Furthermore Dragon does not hold a grudge against Blackbeard. He instead happily plans a war against the celestials as there is no other, far more immanent thread against the Revolutionaries.

So this chapter is playing after the Baltigo incident? And nothing really happened there except the Blackbeards destroyed the Revolutionaries headquarter? All revolutionaries are fine? :wassat:

@One:

Waiting for jaimini's box.

I'm way too sensitive for mangastream.

Woohoo. It's finally on JB.

Going to read.

Waiting for jaimini's box.

I'm way too sensitive for mangastream.

@shambles:

Because in the dialogues when luffy held the marine soldiers down to the ground (without Haki conqueror) when he escaped with Rebecca.

What?! No. The soldiers were sewed to the ground by the dwarfs / fairys, like they did with Robin and Usopp a hundred chapters ago.

Why everyone thinks there will be a fight with Fujitora? Fujis face doesn't show any aggressive feelings after being hit by Luffy. Furthermore Fuji thinks that the World Government is rotten from the inside. So it's basically the same as Luffy thinks of it. Why should Fuji go against Luffy if he thinks he is right? Fuji is a reasonable man, he understands that silly punch.

Perhaps Fuji will take some more hits as some kind of redemption for the things that Dodgy did and than he will stop Luffy in a cool way.

@John.Rambo:

How did Sengoku's hair turned white and his beard too in just two years? I mean with Garp we saw a transition but Sengoku's aging seems hurried to me.

Bill Clinton was the same after his second round of being the president of the United States of America.
Compare photos of him from end of 2000 and 2003.

I can't read Doflamingos last facial expression. What is it? Is it some sort of expectation? Or is it a little bit frightened? Apathy? Exhaustion?

@Don:

So taking in consideration that the 78th volumne will have the final page of Doffy being defeated, it`s either the next or the chapter after that, that the fight will be finished.
Rooting for a twelve-chapter volumne, especially when we see Zoro stopping the birdcage will be the "highlight" of the next chapter, covered in Luffy taking a beating so that he is almost done, like Doffy.
The chapter after that could be Luffy mobilising his last power and beating Doffy.

No no. That will be way too fast.
Luffy is at the end of Gear Four and there are forty minutes left to fight. Doflamingo doesn't seem to be this exhausted yet. And Luffy isn't either. This fight will be a near death fight.
In the next chapter or the chapter after that we will see a Doflamingo counterattack and a Luffy struggling. Has Luffy even spilled blood, yet?

After the end of the fight between Doflamingo and Luffy - and we all know it will take another forty minuets and we all know that Luffy will win - will Doflamingo:
(1) flee with very last strength?
(2) be knocked down and imprisoned by Fujitora?
((3) be dead as Ace?)
(4) do something totally unexpected?

I put 3 in braces because this will most likely not gonna happen.

@Gold:

soooo much usopp hate this chapter, but this chapter deepened the character development options for usopp. Usopp himself sees his journey as working toward going from weak to strong, scared to brave, so in turn, the audience sees his character development following that model. It seems tho that there’s more to it than that, a deeper moral than just overcoming "general fear" as the main personality issue that drives the character through the entire series. Usopp's greatest flaw is not his fear, it's his lies, I can't remember a stronger moment where Usopp saw the pure pain that his lie could cause.

There was nothing wrong with being cautious and staying hidden, there was nothing wrong with running when you know your beat, remember usopp was just on DR to delver CC NOT join an army to take down a shichibukai king he had no obligation to the dwarves in anyway… except his lie.

This shouldn’t be compared to the Chuu fight, Usopp deciding to fight then was akin to wearing the Sogeking mask, after he pretended to be down to save himself he was afraid of facing his crew if he really didn't even try to fight so he put on this "mask" of bravery. With the actual sogeking mask, he was again afraid to face his crew, he uses the sogeking mask the same way, as a "mask" of bravery, TB same deal, mask of bravery, but that time he used it to face his own fear for the perona fight.

This time tho, there is no mask, there is no costume, there is no false name, there are no more ego boosting lies, it's just usopp pure, facing his own lies, in a sense, his core.

Didn't Usopp develop his alter ego Sogeking to be able to help Robin after he was kicked out of the Straw Hat Crew? And not till then used it for hiding his fear.

After reading your post and seeing the truth in that I'm still disappointed in Usopp. It's the same story over and over again. All are fighting and taking responsibility but Usopp is running… again. He made a promise before the 2y skip not to be weak and anxious anymore. That he will be able to fight and protect himself and not depending on the power trio to do it for him. After the 2y skip he said he will be different. He had a strong reintroduction. Damn. I was impressed.
And now it all is vanished. He hopes on Franky for saving the day. He runs again. He is not taking responsibility. He's anxiuos. God. If there is a development in his character it is so slow I can't see it over the years. That is awful. He's gone through a lot and he still don't has the guts / balls to believe in himself and his skills. One Piece is more than half way through. When will he brace himself? God damnit. Usopp. Or Oda. Do something.

Why is everybody being so sure about Luffy going after Doffy? What is with Laws initial plan of Doffy get destroyed by Kaidou?

At the end of this arc could be a destroyed SAD factory with Doffy on the run.

@idoflamingo:

That was based on pure strength and body fighting. Doflamingo hasn't even used 30% power and he destroyed Law.

Don't forget that Law fought nearly an exhausting hour against an Admiral and Doflamingo. I don't think, even a Law in perfect shape can handle Doffy but in the last fight he was already pretty damaged from the fight before. In that case Doffy surely does not need more than 30% of his power.

@RobZilla:

It would seriously undermine two years of timeskip training if it took numerous SH's to take down Doffy.

Luffy will be enough.

Oh sorry, I haven't meant it like that. I think Luffy could beat Doffy alone, too. But Luffy is on the tournament and has no time for Doffy.
I meant it like all the Straw Hats except the occupied Luffy against Doffy.

If Law is dead, will Bepo join the Straw Hats?

Anyway I don't think Law is dead. He has some life left in him, enough for a small "room" around himself, disassembling his own body and closing the shot wounds while Zoro is taking on Doffy cuting all his strings. :ninja: Perhaps all the Straw Hats will join the fight against Doffy and taking him down. Is such a scenario possible fighting many (Straw Hats) against one (Doffy)?

It wasn't a seagull it was a penguin with backpack Aokiji is riding on.

@Sai-chan:

Law didn't break Kinemon–Brook dropped Kinemon and, like with Luffy when he was fighting Caeser, the poison ash just cracked and fell off.

I don't think it's that easy.

I believe Kinemon surrounded himself with a static field with his devil fruit ability and simply wasn't hit by the poison ash. Like Mr. 3 did back then in the crocodile cage in Alabasta.

@isrnick:

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Aokiji the most likely answers until now, though it could be someone else.

Sweet drawing.

So then it's him… Meeting the Straw Hats, Smoker and Law will be a hell of an aftermath to this arc.

@kaze1028:

the last panel from HQ raw

http://i.imgur.com/3RacZ.jpg

The guy on top of that thing has binoculars in his right hand looking where Punk Hazard is.

Additionally long legs, long loose hair - at least to the shoulders, sleeping / being lazy, carefreeness, knowing where Punk Hazard is.
I'll definitely go with Aokiji, too.

@Alpha:

Zoro's not a moron like Luffy, he takes his fights seriously off the bat, he doesn't need someone to tell him how to fight. He knows his surrounding and knows damn well the range of his attacks and the consequences that follow with them.

Yeah. And then comes Monet with her slippery, icy, cold snow and lets Robin slip right into Zoros attack.
It's always risky fighting in the near of civilians. Look at the police. They use their guns in public only as very last option.

@lumix:

The most interesting thing was Zoro holding back in his fight.
It was told here that he might be holding back because he doesn't want to hurt Monet, or because he doesn't want to unleash his power. This is not impossible, however it's strange that he doesn't at least try to fight back harder, as Monet is not only a threat to him but even to his crewmates.

For me the simplest explanation for Zoro not attacking Monet is because of the others in range. He simply doesn't want to hurt or kill the other Strawhats. As with Monet and her fast change of position he can't control where his attack will hit. Monet was near by Nami and Chopper? What should Zoro do? A logia type user is unpredictable.

@lumix:

In fact the other option, that is Zoro doesn't have CoA Haki yet/cannot control it/has it but undeveloped, would mean to me that not even Sanji hat is yet. I haven't followed the discussions on chapters before, but Sanji got hurt against Vergo some chapters ago and this could mean he couldn't strengthen his leg enough(even though it could just be because of his precedent physical damage).
At this point it could even be that Luffy said a bunch of crap to Law regarding who's haki and who has not XD.

A haki hardened leg (or other part of the body) can break, too. Haki is no reason for not breaking anymore. As with Sanjis Haki might be undeveloped, I simply can't believe Zoro is that "lame" and can't fully control his yet. Zoro is a perfectionist. Once he discovers (learns?!) a new ability he trains as long as he has to to master that ability.

@WanPisu!:

If you look at this as a pre-new world introduction, its an amazing thread, I loved it. I just wish to say that many people underestimate Oda-sama, One Piece is far from over. The arcs you imagine are good, but you have to think about all the other unanswered questions.

What will Akainu do in his position?
Where is Aokiji and will he be a pirate/support luffy?
When will Monkey D. Dragon make his move?
Is Sabo still alive?
More details and info on "The will of the D"

And many many more questions I cant think of. If i had to take a wild guess … OP will go another 20+ Arcs/5 Years

Lol feel free to correct me if you think I'm insane. =P

Those questions won't necessarily be answered independently. The Will of D perhaps will be answered in the last arc where Luffy will stand against Blackbeard. What's with Aokiji might get answered if we see the answers for the lost century. Akainu and Dragon can fit in one arc, too.

I see it like CaptainKid. Only a few big arcs, some smaller left. As arcs tend to get bigger we see the end in like 12 years. (!?) It's a good time. I hope I'm not dying before One Piece ends.

@Joy:

Crocodile being weak…Lol.

Is this referring to me?! So you can quote me where I said Crocodile is weak.

@Jirogomi:

I guess the next question with regards to artificial Devil Fruits is, do they make you swim like a hammer?

Interesting question, indeed. Will artificial df users be able to swim?

@MiyamotoMusashi:

This is what was said back in Baroque Saga when we learned that the first opponent of Luffy would be a Shichibukai.

That was "just" Crocodile with "just" 96 million beri reward. The by far weakest Shichibukai of them all.
Donflamingo always seem to me to be the most dangerous Shichibukai on pair with Hawkeyes strength.
Luffy is powerful and will be the pirate king but I doubt it's enough for Donflamingo – yet.

I don't think there will be a Donflamingo arc any time soon. Donflamingo is at this stage way to powerful for any of the current straw hats as well as Law and Smoker. But Donflamingo will receive a major drawback for his plans within this arc.

And are Smoker and Law gonna team up against Vergo as the bulletin "Law & Smoker vs. Vergo" indicates? Would be cool.

H@choperman:

Oh…. now I feel really stupid

I'm sorry man, my bad

Yeah man, you are. But remember there are always people in the world being more stupid than we are.

@choperman:

First of all I don't think smokers a regular vice admiral! smoker is luffy's ultimate marine rival he's bound to be way stronger then your average VA! that's why he can fight on even terms with a shichibukai

you made it sound like any VA should beat a shichhibukai! there's 17 current VA's who have been announced. The shichibukai are one of three powers that controls the entire fucking world and tyhere's only seven of them, the VA's could possibly number around 30!

Yyou think 7 shichibukai could be on equal terms with Navy Headquarters as one of the forces that controls the world if they weren't stronger then your normal VA!!!! it's very simple to understand you are looking down way to much on the shichibukai, are there VA's that can fight on their level, Yes there are! but there very few, Garp a man who should have been an Admiral, Smoker one of Luffy's top rivals, Vergo his commander who is doflamingo's right hand man, Sentomaru head of Vegapunks research group and possibly very few others but I don't think… no I know they don't have even 17 people who are shichibukai rankings

you tell me you honestly think momanga, onguimo, stainless, Lacroix, Ronse, Yamakaji, strawberry, Comil,John Giant, the giant squad, mozambia, cancer, Dalmatian, Bastille are all strong enough to fight the likes of Mihawk, Doflamingo, Kuma etc. then why the hell even bother with the shichibukai to maintain balance they obviously aren't that tough, or why would they restrict it to seven, do you get what I'm saying

Ahh, I see. You totally misunderstood me.

I said there are Vice Admirals stronger than Shichibukais. I never said all of them are stronger or at least as strong as the Shichibukais.

@abhizoro:

ok..i think both choperman and one piece fan have their points..but after some point your reasonings are merging and there is not much difference in your beliefs… btw I still think that sengoku is stronger than akainu (atleast in his prime) and also garp along with him.

Secondly, I agree the power levels in VA differ by a lot and the same is true with shichibukai..their power level also must be different... so everything is just blurry there...and my point is that smoker losing to law is not same as him being weaker to vergo (though vergo may be arguably stronger than law)...losing one fight especially where the loss is due to a secret move doesnt actually point the loser as the weaker one..im sure if there is a rematch there might be a different result (im talking about fight between smoker and law)...as you also know smoker power was very straight forward..him being smoke..but a lot was unknown about law..hence he became victorious..but in the fight between smoker and vergo seems a bit old fashioned fists involved so smoker can fight better here...there is also matter of how are the opponents matched here... I am not saying its the same logic but just to highlight plz consider rock paper scissors...

Yeah, I can sign that.
However I don't see some kind of end fight coming for Smoker and Vergo. The current arc is just speeding up and a final fight seem to far from happening. I smell a different coming.:ermm:

@choperman:

Him being smart doesn't mean he's not strong, you completley pulled that out of your ass, he was a God damn admiral, the ultimate marine fighting force, and Garp was admiral level he was no ordinary VA, Do you know what being an admiral means in this series?????

I never said he is weak. I said he isn't the strongest but nether the less higher ranked than others.

@choperman:

Again this was never ever stated, your just making shit up, and my whole point was he was strong against people who had no way of hurting him

Yeah, so? :wassat: I lost track of the point you argue about.
The thing is I said Captain Smoker back in Loguetown could have been higher ranked but wasn't. So again the strength doesn't mirror the rank.

@choperman:

why don't you address the entire argument I put there

Because I don't care if you think that Law fought Smoker not nonchalant.

@choperman:

and the whole argument still stems from the fact you said he couldn't even beat a shichibukai, shichibukai are one of the three powers that controls the entire world, you don't seem to grasp how powerful shichibukai are and that ordinary VA's aren't gonna be able to even fight with them

I don't see that Mr. Crocodile was that strong. And you think that Smoker is just an ordinary Vice Admiral? I think Smoker is a real tough guy including Haki capabilities. So I was a little bit disappointed in the fight with Law.

And additionally I have to say that the World Government is a poor devil if the Marines only have four men - three Admirals and a Fleet Admiral - fighting on pair with the Shichibukais. That's unbelievable. So unbelievable that I don't believe in that. I think the reason for only having three Admirals is the fact that the Marines have an hierarchical order. Not every strong marine can be a Admiral. So there must be Vice Admirals as strong or stronger as some of the Shichibukais.

@choperman:

You mean a fleet admiral (above Admiral and also had to be one to get there) and a guy who was constantly asked to be an admiral and denied it… great choices

Yeah, Sengoku was known not to be the strongest but smartest. And yeah, Garp is still Vice Admiral. I took good choices.
@choperman:

Smoker wasn't strong then, just no one knew haki, no one could hurt him

Lol, what?! Haki was known - but not to us. Smoker was only Captain as I remember it correctly because he fell in disgrace at the World Government. He could have been higher ranked.
@choperman:

Umm what?!? why do people keep saying this? it's not what happened

he didn't hurt him one bit until his ultimate final finishing move, which would probably go completely different now that he's looking out for that, his ultimate move took him down, nothing else fazed him

People keep saying that because it's true.
@choperman:

this is DBZ logic, if you can understand how a story is going you should understand that smoker lost two times this arc (once in tashigis body) and how he was untouchable before and is one of Luffy's ultimate rivals, you should easily grasp the flow of the story and understand the reason Vergo is being Built up so much is for Smokers redemption

I don't see that coming. A Smoker losing against Vergo and a Luffy beating Vergo instead would be more oda-ish. The guy once was beaten by Smoker now overpowering him by defeating Vergo.@choperman:

This isn't DBZ kid, it's not as simple as guy A can beat guy B and guy C lost to Guy B So A is stronger then C or A>B B>C A>C

it doesn't always work like that (except for CP9 which people hated) and like I said he didn't wipe the floor with him, smoker put up a good match and got beat by his ultimate hax move that he probably wouldn't fall for again if they had a rematch

luffy lost to CC but we have people scolding him for that, saying that he's stronger then that, but he didn't know his ability!

Please name some examples there "A>B B>C => A>C" wasn't the case.

@TheCrystalShip:

First of all, Garp could have been Admiral if he had wanted to, and Sengoku was Fleet Admiral, so I'm not sure what you mean. Second of all, just consider that there are WAY more VAs than there are Shichi, and the WG is apparently reliant on the Shichi (along with the Admirals) to balance themselves out with the Yonkō. If the WG could take out the Shichi with their own VAs, of which there are greater numbers… Do you see the problem here?

It's a simple fact that there were (are?!) Vice Admirals stronger than Shichibukais.
And don't forget that the Marines have an hierarchical order. There is simply no possibility that every strong marine can be an Admiral.

Sengoku had the highest rank but wasn't the strongest of all marines.

So again a rank doesn't say anything.

@Strawhat:

Whether Smoker can deal with Vergo or not, the bolded is not an argument against his victory. Smoker asked to be moved to G5, then he got promoted. Vergo was already the commander of the base. It's just a coincidence that there're two Vice Admirals stationed in the same base, with one being the superior of the other.

Agreed.

@choperman:

Who honestly has there username as One Piece fan and doesn't even comprehend what beating a Shichibukai means, Va's < Shichibukai with few exceptions (but there are exceptions)

I don't think a marine title says that much about strength. See Garp or Sengoku or once Captain Smoker in Loguetown.
We saw that Law dealt with Smoker nonchalant. And we just saw that this same Law hardly injured Vergo with his hard Counter Shock. Vergo must be in a similar league with Law. (I can't tell if Law with his own heart or Vergo is stronger.) So the math is simple. Smoker is not as strong as Vergo.

I don't think Smoker can handle Vergo. Smoker is not without a reason his subordinate. He couldn't even handle a Shichibukai.
I see two possibilities (or better said I wish to see those).
1. Smoker will be at least able to irritate Vergo in the upcoming fight and Law can get his heart back. Both, Law and Smoker, injured will team up and stand against Vergo.
2. Vergo will beat Smoker and Luffy will come to save the day. Finally showing his gained brutal strength after his two years of training. Luffy seemed a different / higher league on fighting CC. Only beating Ceasar will be a little bit lame after the last arc on fishman island where Luffy couldn't show his full potential, too.