My, my, we hadn't witnessed such a load of fanwank in quite some time. Excuse me, but I'll leave this thread before someone suggests that Buggy should just split one of his atoms and cause a nuclear explosion.
Oh wait.
My, my, we hadn't witnessed such a load of fanwank in quite some time. Excuse me, but I'll leave this thread before someone suggests that Buggy should just split one of his atoms and cause a nuclear explosion.
Oh wait.
That was pretty wild. Cindry is still my favorite Thriller Bark character.
Trying to figure out "Obdo Ku Doroa", could you tell us what the kanji next to Obado mean?
Chopper-Doctor-Wants to find a something that will cure anything(pancea I think was the term)
Is this true? I'd like to know in which chapter this is stated. I thought his dream was to find a family that accpets him.
Ugh, talk of substance and chemical reactions… This thread needs more Chocolate Pudding logia, with the power to neutralize pseudo-science.
Logias get the power to turn into "stuff". "Stuff" being anything you can easily distinguish and is malleable enough to provide the characteristic Logia shapeshifting. Anything that fits that bill can be a Logia.
I assure you, daniz, that Oda never asked himself the question of how strong the gravitational constant is in his universe or how the magnetic flow can be channeled into Grand Line. More people in this forum should go buy the mangas and read the SBS, that's where you can see how Oda really thinks. His explanation of Luffy's stretching abilities were delightful.
Uh, no, he doesn't have a lot of scientific knowledge. He's a manga artist, not a quantum physicist. Nothing in One Piece goes beyond seventh grade physics.
I'm not starting a discussion about those fruits. Like I said, to my eye it's obvious that they don't need a detailed explanation. We're just meant to read it and have a good laugh at how retarded it is.
I enjoy One Piece to the fullest. I love the story, the characters, the romantic ideals and the action-packed battles. Pseudo-science is not going to add anything to that, rather take away from it, One Piece shines because it doesn't take itself seriously.
Wow man this is your personal interpretation. I don't wanna get in a discussion here, but both DFs you are mentioning are not just something Oda made up, especially BB one. Oda knows what he is doing especially with physical science: reducing OP to something Oda just made up well is really restrictive.
Quite the contrary. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Oda pulled the noronoro particles right out of his ass. I don't even want to go into the black hole thing (lol pun), he can absorb stuff and then spurt it out in pieces? That's so accurate! Especially because we all know black holes naturally adopt the shape of oozy black stuff and because gravity is always stronger in places where there's no light. Who would have thought you could build a perpetuum mobile just by switching off the lights?
Seriously, I tend to think that trying to find a scientific explanation behind One Piece is in the same camp as saying it's not aimed at seven year olds. "It's not for kids, it has science!"
@Monkey Spirit: I rather like the complicated explanations behind some of the fruits. Oda seems to enjoy them too, or he wouldn't have invented things like the Noro Noro particles or used gravity for Blackbeard's Darkness fruit. Sure, there are some fruits that defy all reason, like buggy's and Moria's. But these are for the most part a minority.
I see it the other way round. Both the noronoro particles and the way Blackbeard uses gravity are signs of Oda laughing in the face of science. He just made up stuff right there. The noronoro has no scientific basis and Blackbeard's powers don't work like a black hole's at all, it's hugely simplified because Oda doesn't care as long as it's cool and fun.
When's the last time a fruit had a complictaed explanation?
And I like it that way. When I want pseudo-science I go grab Kenshin or Naruto.
Well, all I have to say is that Oda likes to keep things simple, he's never cared about complex physics or chemistry and doesn't require a detailed explanation for every little thing.
Good examples of this would be the bubble fruit being able to wash away strength (how exactly could that happen? no, wait, I don't want to know) or the explosion fruit's workings (was he a nitroglicerine logia? again, it's irrelevant) or even the dismemberment fruit allowing levitation of body parts. We don't need that to enjoy One Piece and Oda knows it.
I'm trembling at the sort of "theories" people will come up with next to week to "explain" the workings of Perona-chan's fruit on a subatomic level.
Edit: It's also the reason why I'm against Brook having used any sort of music-based techniques up to this point. Why go for a long-winded explanation when plain One Piece sword-fighting can account for what we've seen?
I remember during EL when everyone was going insane trying to predict Calipha's powers and no one got it right. Absalom's df will likely be something equally out of left field.
Uh, I actually predicted bubbles about a week before the final revelation. But in my theory she'd be bursting bubbles with her whip to attack. What Calipha finally did with her whip is one of the mysteries of Grand Line.
So is there still a site where I can still download Chobits, the manga, now that it's been licensed everywhere for years? I have the actual manga and wanted to lend it to a friend but I have the different tomes in different languages and my friend doesn't speak all of them.
I'm looking for books 1 and 6, if at all possible.
@Fire Fist:
Wikipedia is your final verdict? Wikipedia's not always right, especially when someone decides to edit an article.
Yes, Nitrogen is relatively inert, but when applied to extremely high pressure/heat, it can ignite.
Oh, please. Articles on science, particularly something as well-known as basic chemistry are kept pretty free of gross alterations. Are you going to edit it and say that nitrogen is highly reactive and counts as flammable? Because it'd solve farming problems for dozens of countries if the reaction for ammoniac was suddenly easy to produce.
Anything can ignite when applied to extreme temperatures and pressure, it's called thermodynamics. If you're going to use that as your argument, you might as well say Absalom has the chocolate pudding fruit.
who had the teleportation fruit?
I was referring to the warp portals that Blueno's door fruit allowed him to create, it's closer to teleporting that Enel's conductivity.
This thread has killed so many catgirls.
Oh please.
Nitrogen is one of the most stable molecules ever, it has a fricking triple bond. It's not flammable and will only oxidice if you submit it to really high temperatures and pressures, and even then the oxides will revert to molecular nitrogen as soon as they get the chance. The word "flammable" can't even be applied to nitrogen:
Inflammability is the ease with which a substance will ignite, causing fire or combustion. Materials that will ignite at temperatures commonly encountered are considered inflammable, with various specific definitions giving a temperature requirement.
Wikipedia has spoken.
What's the problem with an invisibility fruit? We've had a weight-alteration fruit, a slowing-down fruit, a dismemberment fruit and a teleportation fruit. If all those were viable as stand-alone Devil Fruits, so is invisibility. Particularly since we've seen that Absalom's powers aren't limited to himself.
Absalom's ranged attacks are just him throwing invisible stuff.
As a further note: We already had Mr. 5 shooting exploding breath at his enemies. Oda won't repeat that gimmick.
Yeah, Usopp's color is brown. It was in one of the anime openings (even if that counts as non-canon).
@MonkeyDMalcolm:
they will be a chick obsessed with the pirate king and wants to marry him
Another Alvida or Lola? I doubt it. There's no romance in One Piece, anyway.
In Enies Lobby, when Franky throws Choppzilla into the water so that his Devil Fruit powers will become inactive, why did he revert to his hybrid form instead of his full reindeer form?
What the fuck are you smoking. Kingdom Hearts isnt a brawler, it's an RPG.
The Smash Bros games, as far as I know, are a huge crossover where all the Nintendo characters can duke it out.
The Kingdom Hearts games, as far as I know, are a huge crossover where all the Disney characters can rpg it out.
Notice the similarities?
@raj:
How can he be bashing if part of it has just become canon.
Can't argue with those results.
It could be a mistranslation. The only gender kanji I see in the Chinese raw is the one for woman. Usopp probably said "beautiful swordswoman", I'm pretty certain there's no gender distinction in the word Japanese word for "swordsman".
@raj:
But yeah. It's not like crews can't have 2 people who know how to use swords. Remember Kuroobi and Hatchan?
It depends. Some of us think that Zoro shouldn't be relegated from being the swordsman in the crew to being a swordsman in the crew, seeing how his dream is to be the best swordsman in the world and all.
Oh God, what did Ryuuma do to Brook? That looks so painful.
Otherwise mildly amusing chapter. I need a translation to make up my mind.
@Mr.:
Lol, Disney fanboys.
Final Fantasy fanboy, actually. I shudder to think that Squall and Mickey could coexist in one universe. KH is wrong and should not be.
Dance Dance Dance - Haruki Murakami
I love Murakami, this is my fourth book i'm reading by him.
Signed. "Kafka on the Shore" was beautiful.
Currently reading "Orlando", by Virginia Woolfe. Just finished "Three Men in a Boat" by Jerome K. Jerome (I loved it, it's so much fun) and bound to read "The Old Man and the Sea" when I have a free afternoon.
Pretty much all the Disney media now sucks. In fact I have yet to see one good Disney video game or a TV series that lasted more than a couple seasons or so* and Kingdom Hearts doesn't count, that's Final Fantasy.
I see someone in denial. Kingdom Hearts was a Disney Smash Bros. The reason I refuse to play it is because they dared mix Disney and Final Fantasy.
On-topic:The only reason to watch HSM is for the boy-candy, making a summer-version is a smart move.
That may be so, but I believe we've done enough identifying with the other five times they've run away.
Seriously, they're in a mansion full of zombies and they don't even have their weapons ready?
I have to say I'm sorely disappointed with Nami. For the past few weeks it's like she's forgotten everything she'd learnt at Alabasta, Skypiea and Enies Lobby. sigh In EL Nami actually walked up to Califa and picked up a cat-fight with her, but after like 9 chapters of running away, we've only seen her use her clima-tact once. Is it too much to ask of Oda that characters actually use the skills he gives them? Because this chapter would have been infinitely better if she'd whipped out the clima-tact and done anything other than letting herself get caught. I mean, if she's trying to get away so hard why not conjure fog? Why not use fricking Mirage Tempo?
Guys guys guys. You are all wrong. Brook never acctually cut Taralan.
what he did was before he left TS he stole namis panties.
After that he looked for Absolom so he could bribe him with Namis panties.
So what really happened was that Absolom (while invisible) cut Taralan up. And then went back to his assigned tasks pretending he knew nothing about it. (He's sly that Absolom)So there is no "Delay attack" and there is no "Soundbased attack". Hell Brook is even more likely to cut himself then his opponent while waveing his sword around. What he really uses to fight people is his Skull jokes, which is why he cant defeat Ryuuma since he is immune to them.
(Yes Absolom was also hiding out in Hogbacks lab to knock team usopp out when Ryuuma attacked)
Is this supposed to be a rile against the "Brook is a swordsman"-theory? Because the sound thing is way farther out there.
@Rai:
That made me lol =P
Okay people, I keep seeing here posts indicating Brooke is a swordsman.
I call undefined fact!I've said it so many times before, just look how Brooke cut Talaran. Look at it [DON'T DROOL! SNAP OUT OF IT!].
Brooke cut him with a fine line from the top. Zoro would never do that, and I doubt he'd even bother reaching there. I doubt Brooke bothered reaching there.
I say he used sounds. Why would I say so?While we know Ryuuma used Brooke's fighting style, we also know Ryuuma used an attack that only happened after Team Useless stepped for ten feet [or something like that].
I think many people already thought of it but I'd say it anyways, since there's no other way for an attack happen in the future with no time indication, without someone performing it, he must have made the attack and put the condition on it only to come true after ten feet's worth of walking sound have been made.
So that means Brooke is USING SOUND AS HIS WEAPON AND SWORD AS MERELY A TOOL. =OArrghhh I suck at English so much, but please bear with it. ^^
This is far-fetched and unlikely. If Zoro's swords can unleash full whirlwinds, attack from a range with air slahes and create illusions, there's absolutely no reason why Brook can't do the same. Swords in One Piece are used to do epic things. Mihawk didn't have to jump when he cut Krieg's ships in half and yet his cuts still had to reach very high vertically.
Seriously, I find it lame that you're trying to defend sound-based moves using the direction of the cut as an argument. How is sound vertical? Sound waves spread in spheres and need some kind of vibration to actually be sound. Brook's cut was clean, there was no shaking of the floor or blurred vision or sfx to hint at sound. And we've seen it twice, Ryuuma used it first and still there were no hints that it was anything but a sword-move.
The delayed attack has been done dozens of times in shonen (I bet you can find an example in Rurouni Kenshin) and it's always been explained as just having a kickass technique with a sword, which is good enough for shonen logic. There's no need for a sonic explanation when a simple sword-cut could do just the same thing.
Sure, Brook doesn't use swords 100% the same way as Zoro, but that's a given, since Zoro uses three swords and Brook only one. Your theory has no ground.
I kind of fail to see the relevance of this to anything. Oda has always made a point to show that the Strawhats follow their own morality and sense of justice. Indeed, most of the "seven sins" are already represented much better in the Strawhats themselves. Why they'd have to subject themselves to an external moral code in search for Absolution escapes me. It'd defeat Oda's creed of "do what you think is right".
Didn't an exact replica of this thread get locked yesterday?
I can't see that happening, seeing how Luffy has no shadow now.There will be something else that we haven't thought of. Remember "awa awa" washing away strength? I'm counting on Moria's shadow moving independently from his body and the Strawhats having to pay attention to both opponents in order to fight him.
I'm not getting my hopes up. Sqeenix is straying from RPGs again and trying to squeeze the franchise. Dirge of Cerberus got a pretty bad rating as an FPS. I don't know if they'll be up to the challenge of making a fighting game.
Also, Zidane looks so horrible. Collagen and pink lipstick have now officially ruined the only FF protagonist I liked since FFVI. The Zidane I knew managed to remain manly in his frilly shirt and would classily hit on the girls. This one looks like he's bound to brood about his feelings for Kuja.
@Pass:
Oh, but it is. What if he can control sound with other objects as well?
The thing is, until Oda himself says so, I'm not calling him a swordsman. If using a sword automatically makes you a swordsman, then we must all agree that Chopper briefly stole Zoro's main role in the W7 arc.
Your point about air pressure is like saying that Chopper's and Sanji's fighting styles are the same because a hoof to the face and a foot to the face have little difference.
Try to bring your arguments into a correct scale. Someone touching a sword doesn't make them a swordsman, Nami and Sanji aren't gunners, yet we've seen guns in their hands. Carrying a sword with you at all times, using it in combat, using it for a named technique and having a zombie-clone who's a swordsman does make you a swordsman.
The thing is, you're making up stuff that might happen or might not happen while I'm working with what we've seen so far. And seriously, what's the need for a sound-based explanation when a straightforward sword-cut could have had the same effect? If Zoro was able to learn how to cut steel while not cutting flesh, I bet he could master the delayed cut.
PtR, whether it's sound-based or not is not the point. Brook is a swordsman because he uses a sword, however creatively, and if he joins he has the potential to steal Zoro's lightspot. We already had people saying it would be cool to see Brook cut ships in half. Zoro can also do ridiculous things with swords, let's not forget that the "Breath of All Things" is, in a way, sound-based (Zoro says that he hears it).
And don't dismiss the fact that Brook's zombie version is a swordsman and wields a perfectly normal katana. Zombies have the same fighting style as their shadow-donors.
There's also the fact that "sound" is nothing other than variations in air pressure that our ears can pick up. Zoro has already shown that he can compress air to form blades. Using sound-based attacks means using compressed air to deal damage.
Monkey Spirit, you fell asleep during spiderman 1. Gaaaaw D: this does not compute
I don't know, I just remember it as being really really boring. I don't want to criticize it if you liked it so much, but I found the plot and the acting very weak and the action scenes were badly paced. Like I said, Spiderman made me desist from watching any other superhero blockbuster.
Well, I won't be watching Spiderman 3, that's for sure. I fell asleep during the first one and never bothered to watch the second one. It also served to prevent me from watching any other superhero films that's not Batman, so that leaves Fantastic Four 2 out of the list.
I guess PotC and Harry Potter? I'll get some friends together and have a PotC marathon, that should be fun.
@ctarlong910: I don't know about you, but I don't want to see children with dozens of bleeding cuts, busted ribs and burn marks in One Piece. I just don't.
We already had an arc where the characters were supposed to mature. Why introduce a child, now?
And by the way, the same Oda who doesn't let anyone die and pretty much only lets women be fought by other women is not going to let anyone beat up children like that.
But the point is that in the end only Luffys crew should be able to reach Raftel, since no one is better qualified to be Pirate King than Luffy. That's why they all strive to be the best at what they do.
Your requisite is worse because the principle of it goes against the moral of the story. Learning a language is still a tad easier than being born in a certain family.
Oh God, please no kids in the Strawhat crew. Does everyone suddenly like the filler arcs? The animators have been trying to push this on us for years and it's never worked.
Not only wouldn't it fit in with the Strawhat's style (let alone with their enjoyment of good grog) it would be possitively impossible for Oda to draw decent fights for that character. Have you seen the ammount of damage the Strahats sustain in each fight? Now imagine a child taking all that damage. Oda wouldn't have the heart to draw that, much less would we have the heart to read it.
Oda's "anyone can make it" policy. Basically you're saying you can only read Raftel by reading the poneglyphs. Well then you just basically said that the only crew capable of reaching One Piece is the straw hat's since no one else in the world can read them except for Robin.
I disagree. Learning to read Poneglyphs is something that everyone has the potential to do, it's just gotten more difficult to do so after the annihilation of Ohara. Being a D is something you're born as, therefore against Oda's "strive for your dreams" motto. While I don't think reading Poneglyphs will necessarily be the key to One Piece, it's still a far better requisite than being born in a certain family.
At the time of Roger's death Ohara still existed. Any pirate crew who explored long enough would have been able to reach Ohara and get themselves a capable archaeologist, therefore fulfilling the requirements.
@Aethos: Being a D hasn't been proven to provide you with super-recruiting skills either. Garp is a Marine, as was Saul, and Ace chose to be an underdog, Dragon may have that charisma you say, but he's using it to crumble governments, not to get to Raftel. You're just talking about Roger and Luffy in your theory.
That only a D can reach Raftel pretty much goes against Oda's concept of dreams.
In the world of One Piece, anyone who has a dream has an actual chance of achieveing it if they work hard enough to become stronger and braver. If only Ds can enter Raftel, it means that anyone who wants to become Pirate King but is not a D is doomed to failure. The argument "but only Ds dream of being Pirate King" was invalidated by the Baroque-ministory, where we saw that Crocodile also shared Luffy's dream, and by Whitebeard.
Talking of the Baroque-ministory, here's a romantic theory: Remember how cool Mr. 2 looked when he made his reappearance? He was wearing a suit much like Sanji's and had an aura of suaveness about him. My theory is that he fell in love with Sanji after their fight and was trying to imitate him.
I tend to find this kind of news rather… irrelevant. There's no way we'll ever be able to go there, any kind of travel will already take longer than the life span of a human, and there has to be a serious bending of the laws of physics to achieve anything close to lightspeed.
That's probably one of the reasons why I study Civil Engineering. I'm interested in what we have here and now, the world around us which has a real effect on us.
So yeah, my answer is apathy.
But Big Bang theoretically expands to infinity…
This is news to me, I thought the size of the universe was limited? Isn't there supposed to be a point when Big Bang looses its steam and everything begins to collapse?
Andromer, the Gibbon. I didn't write down my personality traits, I just remember they got modest wrong, but shy, thoughtful and reliable were ok.
I keep thinking that my Daemon should be male, since I'm gay, but I'm pretty happy that I got an ape.
Brook's fighting style is clearly based on Iaido, therefore his sword must be a Shinken. It's a straighter version of a katana.
Iaido consists of unsheathing, striking in the same movement and resheathing the sword right afterwards. That's exactly what Brook and Ryumma do.
Oh wow, people sure are grasping to ridiculous statements to make their point today. I never said that Zoro has fought every single swordsman they've come across, my point was that he's come across a lot of different people who use swords in different ways but are still considered Swordsmen. This was in response to people claiming that "Brook cuts vertically! That makes him not a Swordsman because Zoro cuts horizontally! Durr!".
Also, when was Brook described as "swashbuckling"? People are trying to make room for the possibility that Brook's fighting style won't rely on swords, when all the evidence we have now is that it will. Not only does Brook carry a blade with him and has used it in fights, his zombie counterpart, Ryuuma, has done the same thing. In fact, Ryuuma has been referred to as a Swordsman and doesn't seem to use any other means to fight. It's pretty clear by now that zombies inherit the personalities and moves of the person whose shadows they're given (if not, refer to Jigorou's scenes). If Ryuuma is a swordsman, Brook must be one too.
Also, has anyone checked for signs of humming in Ryuuma's scene? I haven#t been able to do so.
imagine, he runs on water, cut an enemy´s ship, put back the sword in the cane and run away while the ship is pwned
Yay! Imagine Brook totally stealing Zoro's thunder!
Zoro should be the only one in the crew who can do feats like that, because he's the crew's Swordsman! If you're already thinking up scenarios where Brook does things usually atributed to Zoro, you're proving that a second swordsman is unnecessary.
It seems like we're having the "Brook is a pervert like Sanji, he won't join!" - "No, Sanji's not a pervert! He just really likes women! Brook is totally different and doesn't have a special reaction to attaractive women like Sanji does. Oh wait…" discussion all over again.
This time it's "Brook is a swordsman, like Zoro, he won't join!" - "No he's totally different!".
The reasons people have been trying to bring up are things like their weapons not being the exact same, the direction of their cuts (omg, like chalk and cheese) and some are trying to push some sort of sound-waves explanation for his attack.
For 450 chapters, Zoro has been fighting swordsmen. Not a single one of these (Cabaji, Octi, Skypiea cloud sword guy, Kaku, Tashigi, Mr. 1...) used the exact same swords as Zoro or in the same way. They've all had characteristic ways of using an array of different blades that we refer to as swords. People who wield swords are called Swordsmen (with perhaps the exception of Shanks) and it's Zoro's dream to be the best among them. We don't need another swordsman crew-member if the one we have is already going to be the best.
Zoro is going to be facing stronger and stronger Swordsmen the further he goes. Having a second, weaker swordsman aboard just doesn't make sense, they're going to need heavy-hitters like Franky if the want to face the New World. Recruiting mediocre people is out of the question.
On to the sound thing: Did Ryuuma sing/hum anything before performing the very same attack on Nami & co.? I'm too lazy to go check, but I don't think he did. It's an iaido technique and I love it. Brook's fighting style is great, just not Strawhat material.
Even if I really, really liked the sword-cane thing, it only made me wish that Brook doesn't join.
If Brook is a swordsman, every single cool swordfighting gimmick that he can do will be an impediment to Zoro's dream. How is he supposed to become the greatest swordsman in the world if one of his crewmembers has the same talent with swords as he does?
Because if Brook joins there's no way we aren't going to be comparing their moves, just like there will be no way to decide who is the stronger. As soon as Brook starts doing cool sword stuuf that Zoro can't, Zoro's dream will be over.
Care to be more precise?
Indeed, with Hogback praising Ryuuma's swordfighting abilities (which we now know are Brook's) and the fact that Brook carries as weapon as cool as a cane-sword (melted my heart a little, why oh why did you have to be a Sanji-rehash, Brook?), I can't see Brook being anything but a swordsman.
Sure, he was supposed to have a more music-themed fighting style, but doesn't his attack reference humming?
It does pose the question of whether Zoro will see him as an obstacle to his dream or not. Is Brook supposed to be a strong fighter? If he is, I very much doubt having two high tier swordsmen in the crew will be good, particularly because one of them dreams of being the best swordsman in the world. It'd be bound to dig rivalry, which we already have between Zoro and Sanji (Hey! Is that another repeated character trait?).
I was promised a color-spread! D:
Am I missing pages?
Otherwise, great chapter. I freaking loved the Heavy Nunchuck move by Franky. Sadly, the "Oda does SM Fanservice" crowd are about to come out and flame it to death for picturing Web!Robin.
Oh, and it's confirmed that the zombies do use the same moves as their humans. Brook seems to be into Iaido fights. My theory is that Oda is setting most of the Strawhats up for a "fight your twin" scenario, while the others (like Sanji) will get to take on Erosalom/Perona etc.
Being a second sword user allows me to make an even greater case against Brook for not being unique. evil laugh