I was actually quite pissed about Duval; 90% convinced it was Krieg and I've been waiting for that crew to show up (they haven't even been mentioned). I started to doubt when he got bug-eyed beneath the mask and using his "accent"–that's when I thought "this is just another joke".

Kuma was unexpected to begin with, and then when Zoro was willing to take the fall for his captain I was like "shit...is Oda gonna really kill a main character???".

Sigh, you're making me feel so bad now. I'm not emo, I just got sick of certain people who wouldn't just let a certain issue go. I made a big fool of myself…probably moreso than the likes of WHITEBEARD ^^.

Anyway, it's personal, and life's too short to waste on speculating and conjuring theories...next semester I'll be taking 5 classes.

I don't hate you guys, and again sorry for offending anyone on that topic. I may post some fan-art l8r, not now because I need to calm down. So with that, ayyasminasai.

Bye. That's all you guys get.

You guys are funny as hell, all hypocrites and no distinction ^^.

There is no such thing as a coincidence. Sure, the Great Depression was a big mess, but what I'm saying is that it wasn't entirely accidental. Take note of this Ubiq: There is no knowledge that is not power. The one who only follows the mainstream concept of history is the biggest fool. You're an even bigger fool if you only look objectively. Guess where I learned that…? 1984.

Do I agree 100% with absolutely everything on these sites…? Hell no. I just found their objectivity interesting and a lot of the stuff is confirmed by my own beliefs (Not to mention the HOLES in the typical history text-book).

As for the swastika, I wasn't saying Oda was inspired by it...look at the FACT he had to change it. As Kingoffans said, CONNECT THE DOTS.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=9798&highlight=Whitebeard%27s+flag

If this isn't a sign of the ominous presence of Zionism…in America! I don't know what is: Time Magazine's recent issue on Breast Cancer (Believe what you're hearing, I read TIME!!!) had an article claiming that a California Naval base was being pressured to change it's looks because from a satelite view, it resembles a swastika...

Don't believe me??? Of course you don't:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/us/27swastika.html

Ahem, as for Morgan ZEPHOS, the Hook I was reffering to was the cartoony one from Disney films. You know, the kind Oda would be watching as a young man. He says so himself he watched Disney (And I got that tidbit from Greg, btw).

My point…? Crocodile, Enel, Morgan, the Shichibukai, Oda's characters definitely have more than just one single inspiration (Kind of ties in with my Zionist arguement. You guys should lay-off that issue). And in Wikipedia:

Sandman (a.k.a. Flint Marko; born William Baker) is a fictional character in the Marvel Comics universe, traditionally an adversary of Spider-Man. Created by writer Stan Lee and artist Steve Ditko, he first appeared in The Amazing Spider-Man #4 (Sept. 1963). His body has been changed into sand, which he can control completely. He may also absorb nearby sand and reconstitute it into his body.

@Aldrich:

If I still post here in two years (and I kinda hope I won't), I'll bump the "you've been at AP for too long when" thread and add "when you remember that thread with the guy who thought Oda, a japanese man, was inspired by some wacky jewish conspiracy theories".

Legendary thread in the making right there.

Cough, WB's flag, (cough).

Perhaps you ought to do so then before postulating theories about what Oda's intent was. Anybody can come up with a half-baked theory if they don't have all the facts.

You must think I'm an idiot…DUH Oda didn't foresee Iraq. He said Arabasta was similar to Moses-era Egypt and I said it was similar to Iraq.

The Jews are money lenders, usurers, and it was this that earned them the opprobrium of the people they came amongst.

They have moved from country to country, changing their names, adopting whatever language was convenient, yet staying apart, jealously guarding their Jewish identity. Parasites act in the same way, living off their victims, manipulating and destroying. Yet even parasites manage to live in some sort of symbiosis with their hosts. Jews however, over millenia, seem to have found it difficult.

WTF, the jews of today are not the same as the ones 14 centuries ago, or even 400 years ago. Have you read this book…?

It's real interesting. The "Zionists" are lead by the new Synagogue of Satan, which was formed by John Weishaupt. Watch this:

Btw, the dude who put on the video, his account was deleted 10 times.

> Theories defeated, bigoted sources, overall creepyness.

Close thread a mod.

It is NOT a theory, it's an Oda's inspiration thread. He himself said he gathered a lot of research material before starting, I believe it was the 1st volume. I don't hate Jews, I'm anti-totalitarionist. I'm anti-zionist. Does that mean I hate all jews…? You'd have to be a bigot yourself to think that way.

I hate Karl Marx, I hate Mao, I hate Stalin more than anyone actually (Who kicked Jews out of his cabinet). I am sick of the "War on Terror", and I am tired of people taking things like this so lightly…but guess what? That isn't even what I started the thread for.

This is about ONE PIECE. Now, lets continue…

An interesting individual mentioned in "Pawns in the Game" is Captain Morgan. Yes, you can believe what I said: http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/illuminati/freemasons_kidnapped_murdered_Morgan.htm
http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/captmorgansfreemasonry1.htm

Who is Morgan in One Piece…? A tyrannical, almost Stalinist Marine Captain who rules with fear. Quite contrary to the original, he is corrupt beyond repair. Morgan captures Kuro, through hypnosis, and becomes a well-known figure in East Blue. In the orignal turn of events, Morgan discovers the truth of the Free Masons and attempts to warn people. When they don't listen, he
flees to Canada, but is killed by Richard Howard. What is Morgan doing now?

_

The apparent right hand man of Garp springs into action: The target MUST
be killed.

Morgan takes off…to where? Obviously not Canada

And the "Chance encounter" should be an indicator…the fact Morgan has still not appeared, even after the Events of Enies Lobby and narrating the cruelty of Ohara, should speak volumes (no pun intended). Oda is saving him from a grand death scene.

> "Zomg, Oda alreadi3 said Morgan was based off Morgan t3h pirate111"

Again, there may be more than one source. The Schichibukai were either inspired by the Pravateers or the 7 samurai (Or both!). A better example is Crocodile for instance. The way he took over Arabast is very Zionistic (Gathering up all the wealth, putting a stranglehold on a resource during plague and famine), but he apparently was doing it for his own ambition. That was the whole point in getting the "Pluton" ship, the Govt. would stop him. In comparison, Croc is modeled after the Peter Pan villain Captain Hook (Which is speculation, but Oda used to watch American movies and Greg made this point too), but Hook obviously wasn't a genius mob-boss. So where did that come from…? Probably Godfather-esque movies. What about the Sand Powers...? Spider-man. You see...? There can be more than one source. Don't act so pragmatic.

And the Pluton is later used by Oda (During Enies Lobby, Ubiq) as a WMD plot-deice. I see no coincidence.

In such context, I like "It's not that deep" better than "It's so deep and well researched!" Better a shallow story to stir our hearts to kindness than a deep parable to remind us of all our shortcomings.

Well I only think the hidden meanings in One Piece are deep, and as the title suggests, the "mega" story arcs.

Note: Since THAT issue is so sensitive, I think I'm going to have to do something different. And I apologize to any semmetists out there offended by my words. It's your leaders I criticize, not you or your culture. And again, I apologize for being harsh.

Then Oda's a psychic as that particular plot arc proceeded the invasion of Iraq by several years. If I'm not mistaken, the invasion of Iraq was roughly around halfway through Skypiea or well over a year after Alabasta ended.

I said that was possible, I never researched the year in which Oda wrote specific story arcs.

Will you stop connecting your anti semith shit to one piece? And stop act like your "zionist work Satan" crap is fact

I'm not anti-semetist, I'm anti-Totalitarionist. In fact, I despise some of the things Russians did even more than Israelies. And the Civil War is and always will be one of the most horrendous acts done by America (Even moreso than the killing/exiling of Palestinians).

Did you know the Jews who live in your country aren't even (biologically) real Jews…? The original ones were black gasp!.

And want some "facts"...? Go here son, http://www.pgorg.com/ww1.html

Just to clarify for certain narrow minded individuals in this discussion:

IT IS NOT ABSURD TO SUGGEST MORE THAN 1 thing influenced even a single concept in the story. That is what this whole thread is about.

Now to continue ^^.

@ Zephos: The Aztecs are the ones who the Europeans claimed had gold. I'd pick them, but too many strange variables were involved with that war. For one thing, disease was brought over and took ad toll on Native sides (Not in present setting, and don't pull the tree disease out of your ass, that was before Norland even came). Second, the Natives were kicking butt for 75% of that battle and OUTNUMBERED the invaders. Third, their leader saw Cortez as a God (The OPPOSITE of Luffy and Enel).

-Luffy gained support from the Skypeians BEFORE taking on the Enelists. His justification was "for the monkey's" and like Pizarro, he was mostly after the gold.
Two angels, a former King, two pirate crews, and unanimous Civilian support isn't enough for you…? You haven't discounted the FACT Luffy was after gold, and ran away after "stealing it" in a humorus fashion refferencing Hernando Cortez (As I said earlier). As for settling, well, the Sarumayans were basically doing that by wallowing in the mud of Jaya and sending the Straw-Hats to the other half.

-Pizarro stated Ata killed his brother and conspired against him just to be sure no one (Incas) overreacted. And this has what to do with Ener?

Everyone did need anymore PH34R, they knew what Enel could do. Also, Luffy couldn't reason with Waipa until the SH's explained he was trying to ring the bell for Cricket's descendant…and he burst into tears. They (Shandians and some Skypeans) also knew that Gan Fall was the former "God", and Enel usurped his throne. Sound familiar...? ZOMG, L1ek, Civil War b4 th3 colonists c4me...! I said that…

Surely you've heard of Exodus in the bible. Historically, Ramsses II was Pharaoh of Egypt at the time of the Great Exodus, which Moses led. The story goes that Pharaoh only wanted women born, so every male child was to be cast into the river. His mother, not wanting to kill the child, put him in a basket and floated him down the river, where he was found by Ramsses II's mother and raised together with him as Prince Consort. And you probably know the rest of the story.

Anyway, Arabasta very loosely mimics this. Kohza would be Moses, in a way. And Vivi is Nefertari, the beloved wife, who traveled far and wide to promote her husband the Pharaoh.

Arabasta seems more like a Japanese perspective of the Iraq war to me :blink:. But, I mean if you consider that Crocodile was after Pluton (WMD's), and there are two major sides (Shi'ite, Sunni), and then a covert group taking major action every once in a while (America and Co.), it is VERY similar to Iraq (Although Oda may have written it well before the war itself, but similar battles occured in the Middle-East). You make some decent points though. Kohza was seperated from Vivi for, what was it ten years…? Then he was a completel tranformed rev.

@Zephos:

Ener for one thing cannot be the Inca king.
Ener is DISTINCTLY an outside force, in fact its incredibly thematically important to the plot of Skypiea. Wherein we have warring factions, the onslaught on thier world by one alien force and its subsequent defeat is important in UNITING them. If Ener was one of thiers than there would be something awry about him being beaten and having his people be palsy with the others.
"Ener = King of Incas
Shandians = Incas?
Makes absolutely no sense.
Ener isn't king/leader of the Shandians even in OP.
They are blood enemies.

Nor does calling Luffy and co. colonists. as they aren't colonizing shit.

You also completely failed to factor in the Angels/Gan Forr.

You can't ignore things to make a theory fit, that of course means it doesn't fit.
What dosen't fit dosen't fit.

Zephos, I am not attempting to give out one, single inspiration. There are several factors involved.

The Incas can be divided up into: Ataualpian supporters, advocates of the Colony, and neutral. Just like the Survival Game.

Both Ener and Ataualpa under-estimated the colonists, and were killed/defeated with similar justifications:

-Ata had a personal Civil War against his brother before the Colonists. Enel claimed to have destroyed his last home before conquering Skypeia. HMM…
-Pizarro stated Ata killed his brother and conspired against him just to be sure no one (Incas) overreacted.
-Luffy gained support from the Skypeians BEFORE taking on the Enelists. His justification was "for the monkey's" and like Pizarro, he was mostly after the gold. (Remember Gold/God/Glory...?)

The straw-hats are symbolic of the colonists; first of all what do colonists do…? Definition: 1.an inhabitant of a colony. 2.a member of a colonizing expedition. To colonize means you are exploring uncharted waters and attempting to settle. The key word here is "explore". Cricket tells Luffy what they are doing is romantic. They go on freaking treasure-hunting quests, Luffy even has a hiking stick. And gold played a MAJOR role in both incarnations.

The Shandians are clearly modeled after central american indian cultures.
Not the mountainous Incan one.

Why can't it be a little bit of both…? Or, the Shandians for North Americans and Skypeians for Incans...?

Angels/Gan Forr...WTF are u talking about...?

@Zephos:

This is worse than 30 Spandam's shoes.

"hay guys you think the japanese man is making insane conspiracy theories against teh JEW about te ANTI CHRIST"

Spandam's shoes at least made some conceivable sense.

Notice how you ignore all my other points and narrow in on "the jew issue"…? It's as if that is the only thing you can't accept. I can see through you like a baloon.

Also that whole relation to the incas, thats WAY too deep, DUDE I am Peruvian, the country in which the capital of the Incan Civilization was located and I can tell you are stretching this.

HAH! The other points, maybe I am going a little over-board, but the INCAS? WTF, man, they were exploited like African slaves. You are forgetting the fact that whosoever wins the war gets to re-write history…Francisco Pizarro was a devil and so was Ataualpa.