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    Posts made by Jazzy Jinx

    • RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

      @Solid:

      Zoro Goon was going to join regardless, and never made it as a goon in the manga. Where as Vivis character changed into a princess after she was already introduced.

      Never heard about Jinbei was supposed to be an arc boss though, do you have any quote to share on that?

      I've been spending the last few hours trying to find the interview where I read about Jinbe being an arc boss but I can't for the life of me find it. I'll just have to concede that point.

      And nah, it's not the whole "A previous boss will join" thing. I recall it standing out to me because I sincerely didn't believe that Jinbe was ever intended to be an enemy and it took me by surprise because it implied that he may not have been planned as a nakama. But seeing as how I can't find the interview, it's moot.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

      @Solid:

      I think Vivi starting of as miss wednesday, a common goon and Oda just changing her into the princess Alabasta is against her joining, id like to believe Oda was already set on all crew members way back since east blue and he wouldnt change them a lot except for some minor details.

      Zoro was originally going to be a Buggy goon and Jimbei was going to be an arc boss.

      I'm more concerned about what's going on right now. Hence why I said the "X" mark would be a retcon "hint". It wasn't actually a hint at first but if she re-joins, all of a sudden it is.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2

      Had a little thought about Doffy's "Throne Wars" speech recently. What if what Doffy was referring to wasn't the war to determine the Pirate King but instead the war to see who controls the entire world? I found it odd that he mentioned the marines and Revos who have no stake in the Pirate King title. When he mentions there is an "empty throne" what if he's in fact referring to THE Empty Throne (Im's throne)? And is instead implying that whoever discovers Raftel and the True History and fulfills the Will of D (more than likely the descendants of the Ancient Kingdom from the Void Century) they'll then wage a "Throne War" against the World Government (Throne of the Pirate King/Inheitor of the Will of D Throne vs Empty Throne/Im-sama). Therefore, the Celestial Dragons will be "dragged down".

      With the recent revelation of Rox and his ambition to rule the world… It could be that those of the D. clan are the true heirs to the world and thus have a right to the throne of the world. That's why evil D's like Rox and Teach are so eager for that type of world conquest. They both study history and are familiar with the world's taboos and probably know that the D's are the true heirs. Eh... Just some food for thought.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

      My money is still on Vivi. Too many tea leaves for me to ignore:

      • Sai and Leo have a piece of Luffy's vivre card
      • The Grand Fleet's big incident is happening soon according to Oda
      • The "Alabasta incident" we learned of recently
      • The Elder Stars' considering Cobra a traitor
      • Im-sama having her picture
      • Robin's missing number chapter
      • A cheeky retcon "hint" (or to be fair, a full-fledged intended hint) of the "X" mark meaning "10" and thus 10th nakama

      –-

      There's a whole lot of material that's difficult to ignore although hey, it could be all for naught. I'm willing to bet money she eventually deciphered 3D2Y as well despite not being there. Toss her a logia and she should be fine to return.

      Plus, it would be fun to see Brook's reaction to his discovery that she once tried to kill Laboon for food.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Chapter 906: The Holy Land Mary Geoise

      @Galaxy:

      [qimg]https://i.imgur.com/7rjg7Oo.png[/qimg][qimg]https://i.imgur.com/zegNseh.png[/qimg]

      Presumably, it helps them move around on land, since they only have tails.

      Neptune's lazy ass should be walking. >=P

      posted in Past Chapter Discussions
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    • RE: Chapter 906: The Holy Land Mary Geoise

      @Mad:

      Rebecca is an undefeated gladiator and Vivi has never won a fight ever. Rebecca is no question a more powerful warrior.

      She beat that number pair in the clock tower. =P

      posted in Past Chapter Discussions
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    • RE: Chapter 906: The Holy Land Mary Geoise

      @Maju:

      Rebecca doesn't use haki.

      She uses CoO.

      It's the reason she was able to dodge Hakuba.

      posted in Past Chapter Discussions
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    • RE: Oda's Interviews

      Personally, I'd like for Zoro to take out Weevil in a 1-on-1.

      I think Luffy should graduate from Warlords. Let the rest of his crew get some credibility.

      posted in Manga
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      Jazzy Jinx
    • RE: Chapter 903: The Fifth Emperor

      Guess this gives credence to the theory that Luffy will be the Emperor and Zoro, Sanji an Jinbe will be the "Monster Trio".

      Luffy just put A LOT of distance between him and his crew.

      posted in Past Chapter Discussions
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    • RE: Chapter 903: The Fifth Emperor

      I wonder if Germa might end up getting what they wanted from Big Mom after all, only it'll be through Luffy instead. (Reputation of an emperor?)

      posted in Past Chapter Discussions
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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      @RomanceDawn:

      What future story reasons do you guys think kept Jimbei behind once more?

      I'm playing around with the idea of him going to Reverie (with Germa). It could easily be a Fisher Tiger callback and it would be interesting to follow an (official) Straw Hat at the Reverie. Plus, I feel like Luffy's vivre card has to come into play sooner rather than later and Leo happens to be attending.

      However, there's no logical reason why he would go there. =P

      posted in Manga
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      Jazzy Jinx
    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      Jinbe is never going to have his "official" joining at this rate.

      Even if they're out at sea, I'm thinking a meteor is going to fall out of the sky while they're about to kanpai. And Jinbe just continues to forever be excluded from color spreads.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      Makes me laugh that Oda said Vegapunk would appear soon and explain devil fruits.

      How bad at time estimation can one man get?

      posted in Manga
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      Jazzy Jinx
    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      @AvocadoInTheRain:

      Accept it! Your heart knows it to be true.

      Sorry bro, until Reverie passes I'm a Vivi supporter. >_>

      Though, personally, Carrot wouldn't be too hard for me to accept. I just wish she had more depth (in design and backstory). I have an open mind, though. I personally don't think the final crewmate is going to be as obvious as people suggest. I think the final crewmate can be an exceptional case. It what regard? Hell if I know. I just don't think they'll be conventional in the slightest.

      To be honest, I would have considered Jinbe to be an exceptional case but he's "The Ninth" so…

      shrug

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      I don't think Carrot is going to join the crew but I do have to admit, she is on top of that mast a lot.

      Often enough that I can't force myself to ignore it.

      posted in Manga
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      Jazzy Jinx
    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      @AvocadoInTheRain:

      Honestly, Carrot has done some pretty impressive damage to the BM pirates. I'd put Daifuku at around a 500 million beri bounty and Carrot managed to destroy/incapacitate his entire fleet almost single handedly (I think Brook only took down one ship) while he was present and his full attention was on her. I know she didn't fight him directly, but that's still no easy feat. I wouldn't be surprised if her bounty was in the high 300s - low 400s after this.

      While strength-wise she might be worth in that range (I'd say in the 200s, personally), Oda has already established 80 million as the unofficial cut-off point for first bounties. 80 million as the first bounty is such a big deal that Hancock was offered the position of warlord due to receiving it from her first campaign (she's obviously stronger than an 80 million bounty). You can even observe this consistency with Sanji's (77m), Robin's (79m) and Jinbe's (76m) initial bounties. It seems like he makes sure to avoid hitting or exceeding 80m for firsts.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

      Awakened Zoan Sulong Pekoms would be awesome but I unfortunately doubt he has Awakening.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

      ? Wapol saw Vivi with the Straw Hats. Keeping her connections to the Straw Hats a secret has been a consistent issue since Alabasta. Plus his triangular relationship with her and Dalton already exists. It was even at another Reverie!

      Stelly being here is a Sabo (and by extension Revo) appearing red flag for me. I could definitely see Stelly being opposition regardless of that though.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

      Yeah, there's no way that Reverie is going to be 2 or 3 chapters. Reverie is a powder keg that WILL explode and honestly has far too many topics and far too much build-up to be a short deviation. And I guarantee, Luffy there or not, the effects of the Reverie WILL directly impact Luffy and the SHs and they'll most likely address the fallout of it in some future arc. (If not now if Luffy goes.)

      Literally if any ONE of these things happen, then shit hits the fan at Reverie:

      • Cobra asks about the True History
      • Caribou was captured by X Drake; Kaido knows about Shirahoshi
      • Racism against the Fishmen
      • Stelly is there and is a dickbag
      • Wapol is there and is a dickbag and WANTS to be a dickbag (he can expose Vivi or, because Vivi has a quirk, she exposes herself)
      • The Revolutionaries are mobilizing (Sabo is begging for a reunion with Stelly)
      • Fujitora wants to end the Warlord system but he's banned from returning

      –-

      Any ONE of these things would cause an absolute shitstorm. Most, if not ALL, of these things are going to happen.

      I'm going to do like Greg and wait a few chapters before assuming Luffy goes to Reverie but to be honest... This is a lot of stuff. And there's a sexy Red Line for him to climb too, ala Fisher Tiger.

      I don't know, guys!

      Edit: And a reminder that this is probably the only Reverie we're going to see in real time in the series (unless you think we're getting another timeskip that's 4 years). It's now or never to do whatever Oda wants to do with this.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Oda's Interviews

      @Shobu:

      I suppose Luffy says meat and Zoro draws a sound 😧

      Usopp's ❤

      Funny thing.

      If I recall correctly, Luffy's is "Me" and Zoro's is "Sword".

      posted in Manga
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      Jazzy Jinx
    • RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

      Either way, I'm really looking forward to the Reverie. It astounds me that there are so many people that think it's going to just be boring political talk. There's way too much evidence that shit is going to hit the fan. Wapol, Revos, Kaido (Shirahoshi), Germa, Stelly, Cobra asking questions he shouldn't be, take your pick!

      And that's not even mentioning the other kings, marines or world nobles. I would be astounded if Reverie goes off without a hitch. Dumbfounded.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

      Hmm… As a postulation, how about a compromise between the "Reverie is split in half" and "Luffy goes to Reverie" ideas; that is, we see some interesting stuff, but ultimately not THE stuff of the Reverie, go to Wano and fight whatever there (Shogun, Samurai, Calamities, Weevil, Supernovas, etc.) and then find out "Ah fuck, Kaido wants to kidnap Poseidon/fuck up Mariejois (our friend, Vivi, is there) because he's insane! We gotta bolt there!" It would resolve the issue of being separated from the other half of the crew and honestly, in my opinion, spread Luffy's growth out in a somewhat more believable fashion. Even if Kaidou gets tag-teamed, I'd like to see Luffy get a little more "oomph!" in his step. And nothing screams "Raise the living fuck out of my bounty" more than destroying Mariejois and defeating a yonkou.

      As a minor tidbit, I would be interested in seeing Jinbe's views in particular in essentially following in Fisher Tiger's footsteps and scaling the Red Line.

      Edit: You could also rope Bonney into it since she has World Government connections. Fuck it, let's just have a Worst Generation dogpile on Kaido.

      Edit 2: Also, we're still missing our compelling reason for why Luffy would give a shit to take down the World Government. I can't imagine Luffy caring anymore than Roger did about the Rio Poneglyph. Plant a few seeds for his incentive.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: American Football 2017-18

      Lost $35 million the first time around?

      Eh, must of been a fluke! Let's do it again!

      posted in Media
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    • RE: American Football 2017-18

      I bet $100 on the Eagles to win and I'm also a salty Saints fan so needless to say, I'm happy.

      posted in Media
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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      It's more likely that Blackbeard swoops in and kills a weakened Big Mom than there is of her becoming an ally. Her becoming an ally would be terrible writing.

      That said, I don't know what the conclusion will be but considering it will include this Sanji made cake, I'm going to go ahead and assume it's going to be bullshit.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      @ARTEMlS:

      What's your stance at this? Do you think everyone will definitely get his or her numbered chapter somewhen?

      Only Robin, Chopper and Jinbe are missing their numbers. Considering that Nami and Usopp didn't get theirs until later (in Usopp's case, MUCH later) it's a fair assumption that Robin's and Chopper's are coming.

      Jinbe will most likely get his at the end of this arc when he formally joins. Since he's already apologized to Nami for Arlong and broke things off with his crew and Big Mom, I don't think he has any additional baggage left (Robin still needs to apologize to Vivi).

      This whole were-mink thing seems like a fitting conclusion to Chopper's "monster" character arc.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      Friendly reminder that Chopper still needs his number chapter.~

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      It's unfortunate that Carrot's name is Carrot and that other minks can do what she does otherwise I'd jump all over the Carrot bandwagon right now.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Chapter 887: Somewhere, Someone Is Wishing For Your Happiness

      It's sad that, being that I know Oda doesn't kill named characters in present time, all this shit with Pound was an annoyance more than the beautiful, tragic scene it should have been.

      I recall that Oda said once that he hates it when characters get resurrected from the dead. So what's his answer to that conundrum? Why, make them immortal of course!

      posted in Past Chapter Discussions
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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      I'm not going to guess what's going to happen at the Reverie because I'm not a mind reader and I have no clue what's going to happen but there are two questions that have my attention:

      (1) If Cobra asks his poneglyph questions, how will the WG react?

      (2) If the WG kills or deposes Cobra as a result of question 1, how will Vivi react?

      Basically, if Cobra asks his questions successfully (I'll come back to this) then shit is going to go down. Maybe he'll get killed (eh… doubt it?) or maybe he'll get tossed in a dungeon and deposed. If that's the case, Vivi isn't a dumbass. She isn't going to just fuck off back to Alabasta and quietly become the queen. And whether or not the WG even let her become the queen is another question. She isn't going to bow their head to them. And considering how they handle shit anyway, they could just Robin her and put a bounty on her head. Plus, and this is a dumb one but eh, she has a quirk of revealing important secrets. ("I traveled with the Straw Hats once! Oops!")

      CP0's recurrent presence in the story also has my brow raised, as well as the Revolutionaries. Oda also had a notebook with the Revos on them next to a Whole Cake Island one. This was pre-Zou when I doubt anybody saw us derailing and going to WCI. Now with the 1-2 year estimate for when we'll see Wano, I'm thinking Revos might get involved at the Reverie.

      So now I have a shit ton of questions. What are the Revos going to do? Will Vivi go with the Revos if her kingdom is taken? Will she find the Straw Hats? (She could go with Rebecca back to Dressrosa and then Leo has a vivre card to Luffy). Will she fuck off back to Alabasta and quietly become the queen? Will Cobra live and fuck off back to Alabasta and they toil away in irrelevancy until the final war? What about this whole Caribou, Kaidou, Shirahoshi shit? Will Kaidou show up? And what about Robin's missing chapter number? (I think she'll get it when she apologizes to Vivi for taking her spot on the crew and fucking over Alabasta).

      There's too much shit going on here to fully predict what's going to happen. Although I will say this, Oda could just as well have Cobra NOT ask the poneglyph questions after all and just get somebody else to instead (Vivi? Some random other schmuck? The Germa since they don't give a fuck about being criminals?)

      Who really knows what's going to happen. Either way, I think she has a shot somewhere in that mess. There are several ways it could play out in a way that makes sense.

      I'm not going to hold my breath, though.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Oda's Interviews

      @Count:

      My problem is that I don't want the amount of separation screentime to end up lopsided towards one half over the other. I am actually fine with half of the Straw Hats being gone for an arc in and of itself. But not if that time isn't made up for the other half. Adding in a whole one-two years of no Mosshead Strawhats is way too much for my OCD.

      I'm pretty sure we're already passed the point of how long the Swirlyhats were separated versus how long the Mosshead crew have been separated. And if not, it's pretty close.

      It's something like 60+ chapters.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Oda's Interviews

      This news couldn't be any more welcomed by me. I think I'm one of those rare few that's actually looking forward more to Reverie than to Wano.

      Trust me guys, Reverie is a powder keg that's ready to explode. The potential there is limitless!

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      The thing I like the most about Jinbe is that he and Luffy feel like legitimate close friends. Like Jinbe is that dude you run to for advice and to get that kick in the ass you need. You could argue Luffy had that in Zoro but… Zoro is borderline just as dumb as Luffy. =P

      You can feel the respect they have for each other and I think that it's wonderful. Plus, I know for a fact that he's going to get plenty of Nami, Robin and Chopper interactions. He'd even mingle well with Franky because of Tom, and Brook because they're both old timers.

      I'm not worried about the dynamics at all, honestly. Jinbe has just, unfortunately, been in mostly serious situations since his introduction. The guy hasn't had too many opportunities to breathe.

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Bounties after Whole Cake Island? lets discuss!!!

      I can see Zoro getting something dumb like "Demon King" whenever he becomes the WGS or they get a huge victory over a yonko or something. Ya know, to keep the parallels with Rayleigh going. =P

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Chapter 883: Snack Time

      My guess is Katakuri is overusing his haki. He can either use OP CoO or OP CoA so he's able to trick opponents into thinking he's invincible. Luffy figured it out because overusing haki is G4's weakness.

      posted in Past Chapter Discussions
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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      Do we have his official romanization? I've been going with "Jinbe" but I've seen it spelled all kinds of different ways like "Jinbei, Jimbe, Jimbei, etc."

      He needs to do us a solid like Brook did and show us his damn wanted poster when he officially joins. That'll kill two birds with one stone. =P

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      So any ideas on when we'll do the Jinbe kanpei? After WCI with just the current members or at the beginning of Wano with the other members? The post-Dressrosa party was pretty lively since we had the citizens and the SH grand fleet but the post-WCI party would be a pretty modest showing if they had it immediatedly after escaping. >_>

      Think Oda might choose to hold off on it until they reunite in Wano or say fuck it and have a small party?

      posted in Manga
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    • RE: One Piece Chapter 881: Room of Waves

      @Dranza:

      Had to delete my post because I was being way too harsh, reading it back made me feel bad lol.

      It's too late now, I caught it!

      Nah, you're right. I was too quick to misjudge the Count's character. The world is filled with pretentious a-holes, myself included from time to time. I should know better than to think articulate and passionate is synonymous with elitist condescension.

      It's a pretty slippery slope, though.~

      posted in Past Chapter Discussions
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    • RE: One Piece Chapter 881: Room of Waves

      @Count:

      snip

      I'm glad we could hash this out civilly, my pretentious ribbing aside.

      I'll have to be sure to mentally prepare myself the next time I go into the lion's den with you. >_>

      posted in Past Chapter Discussions
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    • RE: One Piece Chapter 881: Room of Waves

      @Count:

      snip

      Did I not just refer to myself as an indolent troglodyte?

      !

      Lighten up, kid.

      You're way out in the stratosphere far beyond us simple folk. I can't even have a proper eye to eye with you.

      Here look, I'll hand you an olive branch. I'm being a dick. I like you. I think you're a pretty smart fellow. But not everything has to be a thesis for a term paper.

      So then, we agree to disagree.

      posted in Past Chapter Discussions
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    • RE: One Piece Chapter 881: Room of Waves

      @Count:

      Because they took a brief break where Katakuri dealt a tidbit of trash talk, allowing the dust to settle and for Luffy to actually see that Katakuri copied his limbs to copy and counter Gatling because their fists aren't moving at super speeds he can barely perceive? Actually, if Katakuri attacked Luffy first instead of vice-versa, don't you think it would be more likely that Luffy WOULDN'T be surprised? Whereas if he starts attacking first, it's easy to not get a good look at how your opponent is countering your attacks at super high speed?

      I think Katakuri is reacting, not initiating. He's reacting because he wants to prove his fruit is superior. He wants Luffy to launch his attack so that he can beat it. He knows what attack is coming so he's able to react and replicate it.

      Except that he doesn't need CoO to copy Luffy's attacks. Even if he has been using that, all needs is to see Luffy start forming an attack for one or two seconds before immediately replicating that with a superior version. I'm not focusing on how his CoO plays a part in it. I'm focusing on how even if it does, it doesn't really matter writing-wise. Katakuri using foresight or copying Luffy's attacks from normal sight are very interchangeable, which makes the foresight feel unnecessary and quite honestly pointless in existing in what we have seen of the fight thus far.

      Except, no one in the manga has ever parried gatling. They've dodged it, blocked it and phased it but they've never parried it. This is where the inference that CoO is being used comes into play. He's faster than Luffy, sure. But what makes more sense? Him being zomg super duper fast and mounting a superior attack (which honestly, I would call bullshit if not for his CoO) or him using his future sight to be able to effectively use his speed and counter?

      Except that Oda hardly ever emphasizes when characters use CoO, especially post-timeskip. So it's almost always impossible to tell. We don't even know if Doflamingo can even use CoO because he has never stated it, yet he is still able to catch up with and counter Luffy until Gear Fourth was activated. Same with Cracker. Which is why Observation is a dumb and useless concept in this manga outside of Skypiea and explaining how Fujitora is combat efficient since it hardly ever matters post-timeskip, along with Armament Haki outside of vague power levels. But that's a whole other discussion I could go on about in how Haki in general shouldn't exist outside of countering Logias.

      My understanding would be that observation counters observation. And Doflamingo, in my opinion, has exhibited CoO usage before. I'm pretty sure I've seen him do the neck roll dodge before but even if he hasn't, he was able to put up armament haki in response to Luffy's Gear 4th attacks. I'd argue that's CoO usage to mount a defense at the last second. Personally, I think haki is a fun and interesting concept but if you don't like it there's nothing much I can do about that. I'm not going to argue against your personal preferences.

      It could. But I am talking about what we have seen from the fight thus far to voice my thoughts on if this trend does continue. If it doesn't and the foresight actually becomes a big thing, great. I hope that happens. But the emphasis of the battle is being placed primarily on the mochi superiority, and Katakuri hasn't done anything useful with his foresight in the entire arc outside of shooting Jigra. He predicts Bege's betrayal. Bege still gets off and escapes. He tries to snipe Sanji with a jellybean. Sanji still dodges it anyway somehow while using inferior Observation Haki at best. It's such a pointless ability for Oda to have created when Katakuri already has his mochi powers.

      That's why we need to see more. Was the wedding a showcase of potential weaknesses his CoO has that could play into his defeat? Maybe. We don't know. If it doesn't play into his defeat (or in his strengths later in the fight) then yeah, it's a pretty dumb tacked on ability.

      Occam's razor dictates that if Luffy and Katakuri are constantly measuring dicks with rubber and mochi, the fight is going to focus on rubber and mochi combat as the highlight. Occam's razor dictates that if Katakuri's foresight hasn't been much of a help for his entire existence this arc past his chapter introduction, it's going to stay that way.

      They're not mutually exclusive. You can use occam's razor for both!

      My idea is that mochi is the inferior grade to rubber. His usage of CoO in conjunction with his devil fruit is what allows him to one-up Luffy. Of course, if this theory doesn't pan out then I don't know what the hell Oda is trying to get across here with the comparisons. If Luffy's fruit is the inferior then err… okay? CoO would just be tacked on in that case.

      But my inference comes from Luffy saying "as if rubber would lose to mochi" and Katakuri consistently emphasizing that his is better. It makes more sense to me that rubber is supposed to be the superior grade.

      You shouldn't really use occam's razor when making predictions about fiction because of how authors will go out of their way to make the unexpected happen (in balance with subtle and consistent logic if they are good writers). It's ironic because what I am saying right now is actually supporting your argument that Katakuri's foresight could play a bigger unexpected role in the fight, like when Luffy activates Gear Fourth to change up the game.

      You can use it for a series that is far more consistent than its peers. This isn't Bleach or Naruto. And this is in regards to mechanical applications of abilities, not story progression.

      Yes, I do expect the guy that was stated as having super duper good CoO to use CoO in his fighting style.

      And I'm not satisfied with the portrayal of his foresight because Katakuri's not going to get hit anyways when every physical blow he's come into contact with flies right through him, regardless of what explanation you can decipher for that happening.

      That would fundamentally change the fight then. It would be about "how am I going to get passed the phasing" ala Crocodile. Like I said before, I think he's using his CoO to copy Luffy, you don't. The fight is going to be unremarkable if your expectations for Katakuri's abilities are that he can do anything he wants because he's just straight up better rather than if he's utilizing his known abilities (CoO being highlighted as one of them).

      Of course. I just hope it makes sense. Everything about Katakuri leaves me feeling indifferent or perplexed, from his generic badass design to having so many abilities with little intuitive segues and varied uses for them making some redundant/excessive. Which includes both the foresight and a spear. Why does he need a spear when he is already winning he fight and is "Luffy, but better" with additional sticky abilities"? It doesn't even aesthetically fit in with the themes of his design or powers, he just has it to look cool, I guess. And that applies to his foresight as a concept for him to use and how it has been executed too, which is my issue.

      Yeah, the spear is kinda weird. No arguing there. xD

      And yeah, like I said before, personal preference. I don't particularly find anything wrong with Katakuri. I see it as juxtaposition with all the sweets and goofy, Disney-esque characters this arc.

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    • RE: One Piece Chapter 881: Room of Waves

      @Count:

      Actually, we don't ever see who started Hawk Gatling first. We cut to the Mirror World when they are already in the middle of ora versus muda-ing each other.

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      So it's impossible to tell if foresight played a role here.

      I don't feel like making huge posts so I'm going to respond in snippets.

      Why would Luffy be surprised if they've already been in their gatling brawl? The surprise implies that the attacks just started.

      And the time to make giant punches is irrelevant when it's pretty clear that they only take a few seconds to make at most. He doesn't bother to dodge because he's enjoying waving around his mochi superiority to Luffy, not because he needs to counter Luffy. Why else would he bother to keep replicating his attacks instead of using his own? He's practically playing with him.

      The CoO allows him to dick wag his mochi superiority otherwise he wouldn't be able to effectively counter Luffy's attacks with copies. You don't believe his CoO plays a part in it, I do.

      And why does he need to use a speed boost attack to catch up with Luffy when there are already people naturally as fast or faster when looking at the most powerful people in the Grand Line? Would you say that Gear Second is enough to catch an Admiral or Shanks off guard?

      He uses some form of soru before Luffy does but doesn't use it to catch Luffy mid-soru. And yeah, people wouldn't be able to catch Shanks or the Admirals off-guard. It's almost like they have high level CoO on top of their presumed speed.

      But whether or not Katakuri used his foresight or not isn't the real problem. I can concede that certain moments like dodging Luffy's Jet Stamp could be due to foresight. My real issue is that even if Katakuri is using his foresight for these moments, it changes nothing about what is being emphasized in this fight as to why Katakuri is able to obstruct Luffy. His mochi powers. So the foresight, if it is used, comes off as tacked on and unnecessary.

      The fight isn't over. Like I said, it could play into his defeat or play into his strengths later in the fight.

      See, you even admit it's the same difference. There's no point in Katakuri using foresight other than for the sake of having random minor ability to troll Luffy with. The only explanation you gave that I would like is the last one so that Katakuri's foresight actually becomes relevant in a way that his mochi powers and base physical stats aren't already capable of.

      Only, I'm of the mind that he's already been using his CoO. And I'm sufficiently satisfied so far with the portrayals of its usage because he hasn't even been hit yet. I think you're conflating personal preference on how you would like to see these abilities executed with the actual story that's being portrayed. Occam's razor dictates that "the guy that was literally introduced as super CoO man" and not "super Mochi man" is using CoO, and we can infer that it's playing into his fighting style and choices.

      And my suggestions obviously aren't the only ones that could happen anyways. It could be that Oda has something else entirely in mind.

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    • RE: One Piece Chapter 881: Room of Waves

      @Count:

      How does it even help him know what to copy when he always sees Luffy's attacks hefore making his own versions a few seconds later?

      He initiated his own version of Hawk Gatling immediately, not a few seconds after Luffy. The only other instance where he did something a few seconds after Luffy was the Elephant Gun and you could just as much argue that he was taking more time to make his bigger. And he wouldn't bother to dodge (or phase) because he knows his counter will be effective due to his CoO. He also caught Luffy mid-soru without using any kind of speed boosting technique himself, that's clear CoO usage.

      And why does Katakuri even need to dodge anything when Hawk Gatling blasts through him ineffectively like he is an invulnerable Logia? It's not like Doflamingo and Cracker haven't overwhelmed Luffy in physical speed sometimes too.

      Dodge/phase, same difference. The point is he wants to counter and overwhelm Luffy's attacks. Otherwise, as you said, he'd just phase instead. The way I see it, there's two options here: either A) he's using his CoO to copy Luffy's moves and counter him; he's being stubborn and wants to prove Mochi > Rubber and it might play into his defeat because he'll want to stubbornly prove that his fruit is better when he should just get out of the way or B) he doesn't care at all about who's fruit is better and until Luffy can effectively get around his DF, he has no real reason to use the additional layer of security that is his CoO (it would become an issue later in the fight).

      Luffy hasn't even landed a hit yet. If this fight will see a conclusion, we still really haven't even seen anything.

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    • RE: One Piece Chapter 881: Room of Waves

      @Count:

      My question however is what is the difference? Does Katakuri use or need his Observation Haki to kick Luffy's ass in even a single panel thst he can't already do by default, regardless of if the foresight is in use or not. The battle is only majorly highlighting how Katakuri's mochi is a superior version of Luffy's rubber. Not that Katakuri's foresight is impossible to counter like when Luffy had to combat Sasori and Enel's mantra. Maybe that will come into play later in the fight. But thus far, Katakuri's foresight being an advantage is a footnote.

      Take out Katakuri's foresight and name a single thing that changes in even one page of this arc aside from some of Katakuri's quotes changing and Jigra being shot.

      Well, it sure as hell helps him know which move to copy. >_>

      He'd probably dodge more otherwise. But it's pretty clear he has something to prove against the Rubber fruit (it's probably considered the supreme grade to the Mochi fruit).

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    • RE: One Piece Chapter 881: Room of Waves

      Do we really need to post the panels of Katakuri showcasing he knew what was coming next? I don't see why this has to be mutually exclusive. Maybe, and hear me out here, maybe he's emphasizing both his DF's abilities and his CoO. You're going to be in a really hard-pressed position if you're seriously arguing Katakuri isn't using CoO prominently in this fight.

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    • RE: RWBY Dicscussion (RoosterTeeth)

      @BWYYWLTGHR:

      Turns out that Yellow character short drops same date as volume 5, oct. 14.

      Is that the public release for the Yang trailer (youtube)?

      Because that Oct. 14th date is for FIRST members only for the season premiere.

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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      @Count:

      Everything else.

      Fair enough.

      But why would it be a big enough deal to promote a crewmate? What would such a decision have anything to do with the consensus that Luffy's crew is complete? This isn't even something Oda would need to wait 20+ years to do, he could have done it all the way back in Chapter 3 when Luffy first met Zoro. I would think that if you want to establish a character being your protagonist's right hand man as an official title, you would have that happen as soon as they decide to venture together. Or at most in the first half of the series.

      Semi-baseless speculation on my part. The idea stems from the intuition that, because this would be the final member and signify the completion of the core crew, the audience (and honestly, by extension Oda) should receive some kind of reward, and not just another crew member kanpai that gets immediately brushed over. I feel like the occasion should be a very significant moment in the story, something that's particularly highlighted and Zoro finally being confirmed officially as Vice Captain could be a suggestion for that.

      Now, having said that, I suppose that would split the fandom in unforeseen ways so… maybe Oda wouldn't go that route after all. I still think it's a possibility, but not a necessary one by any stretch. It could be that the core crew being complete could be celebrated with a color spread or something but I'd find that to be a cop-out. I really do think the moment should be a highlight within the manga itself.

      Unless the last crew member is just that special that even just having a kanpai with him or her would be a highlight in itself. But then goddamn, who is that person if that's the case!? =P

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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      @Count:

      Well from that perspective, that seems like Jimbei's probable role. Not in terms of a ship position, but his crew dynamic with the other Straw Hats during arcs. We already saw him do it twice. The first time was the plan to approach Hody in Fishman Island, the second was in making an alliance with Bege. During that first time, Jimbei even wanted to give the plan a name before getting humorously criticized. That REALLY needs to be a gag, coming up with dumb epic names for plans lol. And strangely enough, Jimbei seems to be the one person somebody as hilariously impetuous as Luffy likes to listen to. Probably after everything they've been through considering how Luffy broke Jimbei out of prison and saved Fishman Island while Jimbei saved Luffy's life, I don't know, four times now before even joining the crew lol.

      Urouge did think that Zoro was the Vice Captain of the Straw Hats, likely because of his strength. The crew dynamics wouldn't change, but the position's name and connotations may get in the way of the spirit Oda wants to Straw Hats to have as a family of quirky equals.

      Doh!

      I forgot all about Jinbei. xD

      Yeah, I seem to have been swept away by the highlighting of his crew position in the most recent chapter and it slipped my mind that Jinbei has actually showcased strategic planning in the past. I'll concede that to you.

      I'm not really seeing your point here about it being too late to introduce a whole new position. In regards to the Straw Hats' in-world logic, they recruit people because they became friends with them. Luffy didn't even know Usopp and Chopper could be the crew's Sniper and Doctor until after they joined the crew. When it comes to out-of-world logic, Oda can introduce anything that fits fantastical pirate adventures.

      However, I will contend this point. Positions aside, I don't agree with this line of thinking. That Luffy didn't know Usopp and Chopper had their respective positions doesn't matter because the story itself called for those positions (err… well, except for Usopp; though his position has definitely come in handy). This would be one of those situations where what occurs in-story amongst the characters is irrelevant when we, as the readers, understand the necessity of the positions and the expectations that they will be filled. And while it's true that Oda could introduce anything he wanted in the literal sense, we have 20+ years of precedent to go by. "Because it's Oda" isn't an argument. Not when we have easily discernible story structure here.

      No disrespect, of course. I'm only really contending this because I'm expecting stronger points from you. I could concede that you're reaching the right conclusions for the wrong reasons.~

      There's not even much to go by when it comes to which character we can expect to join the crew if we know the last position we need. When they show up, we will probably tell from seeing how intricately unique their design is.

      The design would be the tell tale sure, but if we could deduce the position then we could potentially also deduce other important factors such as crew dynamics and story implications. It's really all we have to go on right now since Jinbe is 100% solidified and, so far as I can tell, there are no currently viable candidates.

      It's not like a new crew position is going to be something as major as how Robin the archaeologist ties into the series-long mystery of the Void Century. A Straw Hat getting "promoted" seems arbitrary, and Zoro seems awfully lazy for a job like that. But then again, Luffy is an idiot of a captain, so that can't count as a valid argument lol. Needless to say though, I doubt that will happen.

      Who knows? Also, the completion of the core crew is going to be a pretty big deal in my opinion. This is something Oda will have been waiting to do for 20+ years and won't just be carelessly passed over. Having something like officializing Zoro as the Vice Captain could be a nice way to round out the experience of building the crew through the years although admittedly it could be something else. In either case, it'll be something special.

      Maybe it might have to do with Blackbeard's final captain. Although I don't necessarily think that the final match ups are being made solely on the basis of similar crew positions (Lafitte is Teach's navigator, but I bet that he's fighting Brook because of how similarly designed and musically inclined they are). I'm waiting for Oda to start setting up some rivalries between the Straw Hats and Blackbeard Pirates. I'm not the biggest fan of the idea that all of Luffy and Teach's crewmates meet each other for the first time when they have their final fights. More entertainment would be found in their relationships being a more intimate. But we have plenty of years for that, and Blackbeard could show up in Wano Country or Elbaf as a surprise.

      You're missing the point. I don't think each Straw Hat will fight their Blackbeard counterpart by occupation either but there's potentially something very special about the final member of the crew, maybe even something special to the point where we're not even allowed to see them yet since even by virtue of seeing them it would give away what their position is, and thus what their story relevance would be too. Even just that intrigue could give us insights into who this last person could potentially be since it indicates it has to be something bigger than the garden variety tag-alongs like what we see with Carrot.

      Or, he just hasn't revealed the last Blackbeard because he hasn't gotten a chance to yet. =P

      It's still interesting to postulate on why that might be.

      Edit: Whoopsie. I think I may have talked myself into agreeing with you there. Regardless, my question is, "Will it be precedent or something brand new that we should be expecting?" The forum tends to favor precedent but the final crew member might be a special case so which basis do you side with?

      Not rhetorical btw, I'm genuinely curious.

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    • RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

      @Count:

      Staff Officer faces the same problem that both Vice Captain and Cabin Boy have (aside from the fact that Luffy probably won't accept kinds below their teenage years into the crew in the same way Shanks did). Even though we have seen these positions in other crews, they focus on ranks of leadership rather than actual talents and specialized professions beyond merely barking orders. They also go against how the Straw Hats, in spite of Luffy being the captain, viewing each other as equals with familial-esque bonds. Luffy himself doesn't even want to be looked at as a boss, hence why he told the Grand Fleet to buzz off and do what they want. The most you will get on a leadership front is Luffy actually acting like a captain during tense situations, Zoro putting his foot down when the crew's pride is on the line, Nami on a regular ship sailing basis, and now Jimbei as a respected diplomatic tactician.

      To be honest, even if Zoro was officially made the Vice Captain things wouldn't really change. He would still get into fights with Sanji, still get beat up by Nami and still do jack all unless a serious moment arises and he puts his foot down. Fair enough point, though.

      I've always seen the Staff Officer position as more of an organizer/strategist rather than a higher level of command but thinking back on the ones that have appeared throughout the series, I suppose they all do have more authority. I was thinking of something more like Mont-d'Or from the Big Mom Pirates where they hold meetings to discuss plans and keep track of things (which, incidentally, we've been seeing a lot more of post-timeskip). A particular skill I could imagine would be keeping everyone focused and not at each other's necks.

      But yeah, I guess you could even argue Mont-d'Or has more authority too even though he's clearly not the most senior member (or child) of Big Mom's crew and isn't a Sweet Commander. I just find it interesting that Oda has been including it as a role more often recently (thinking back on Dressrosa) and the availability of crew positions with a prior mention are virtually nil at this point.

      It will probably be an unconventional position like Archaeologist. Which I embraced wholeheartedly because it fits well with how pirate adventures can focus a lot on deciphering old ruins and finding lost civilizations. Musician is also rather unconventional and is only allowed in because of the stereotype of pirates singing songs

      :ninja:

      Not that I don't admit this could be the case but we're pretty late into the series at this point to be introducing a brand new crew position. I'd sooner be more persuaded by 881 chapters of precedent than brand new and unconventional. I'm still not even completely sold that they won't just promote Zoro to Vice Captain when the core crew is complete, though I have no basis for this other than Roger and Shanks both have one (both of whom Luffy admires).

      However, in spite of Water 7 hammering in the importance of the captain's authority, I see your point.

      Unfortunately, that would mean we would just be swinging in the dark as to what the final position is. But, eh… maybe it will be something special since we don't even know who Blackbeard's final member is (and we know he has that final member already given the title of "TEN Titantic Captains").

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