Don't you guys talk about old, I'm 28!
Huzzah! raises glass
I'm turning 27 in July.
raises glass to laeliel too here's to the new translator!
Don't you guys talk about old, I'm 28!
Huzzah! raises glass
I'm turning 27 in July.
raises glass to laeliel too here's to the new translator!
Sheesh. It's not like I posted about biting my fingernails– I honestly just wondered if the group was still going to put out releases. I've seen more than one fansubbing group go under.
If you want to pin me with a flaw, it's not impatience or being demanding... it's nosiness. I wanted the dish. Turns out the dish is finals, so not really good gossip, alas. But quite understandable!
It's so hard to get tone across in the internet. People are quick to assume the worst intentions.
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-3/volume9.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1846
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-3/volume9.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1847
All right, so the scene with Luffy right after this is the payoff, but this is really my favorite Nami scene, because after all the betrayals she's still trying– you get the sense of a woman frantically trying to tie together a tapestry that's unravelling, her plan to protect her friends. But in the end they won't let her sacrifice herself for them. It shows Nami's fierce self-reliance. Without that the scene after, with Luffy, would be meaningless.
I'm enjoying looking at everyone's scenes.
Here are a couple of just really great moments from the perspective of narrative:
1)Vivi misses Kohza by a matter of inches after a build-up of months.
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/volume20.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=3809
2)The revelation of the mystery behind the sky-giants: Luffy has defeated a God, and now becomes a figure with proportions out of legend.
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/volume32.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=6052
Both of these moments show exceptional command of narrative. Go Oda.
wow.
trolls pretending to be stupid in the 4kids forum are being copied and becoming trolls believed to be stupid in AP…
I can't even keep the ironies straight anymore. Is your falling for the troll only you trolling, too?
recursivity is breaking my brain.
@omae:
Hmmmmm. I think I may be the only one for whom the biggest and coolest event was Oda assigning a basic map of the tower with update on all locations.
Not just you– I feel sort of like I finally know what's going on. Pulls it all together. I'm very spatially oriented... especially good to know where exactly Chopper's climbing and who he's going to run into!
Oddly enough, this is the moment that won me over completely:
Hi– I'm actually wondering if anyone can make animated gifs. There's a clip in one of the recent episodes where the spike-haired Franky Family guy pushes the hairspike in one side of his head and it pops out the other... I'd like an icon of it, pref. 100X100, but I don't have a program that can make them (I'm on a mac, it's hard to find shareware that runs) and I would be utterly pleased. (Also looking for one of Osaka (Azumanga Daioh) trying to chase the little dots swimming in her eyes in ep.2). Happy to repay with simple hand-drawn fanart or a non-moving icon to your specs-- this one I'm using now is an example of my stuff, but I don't always make 'em so cheesy.
many thanks for the torrent! Took a while, but then started going great guns, and good qual too.
jumps up and down
we even got some Robin flashback!
For some reason, I always imagined Fukuro with a high whiny voice… he's too petty for basso profundo. Despite the girth.
Who, Aokiji? Of course he's alive, why wouldn't he be?
And if he fell in the ocean, he would just sink as any df user would. It quenches his powers, so he would not freeze.
sorry– my joke failed.
cuz the post before was more or less, "if you put him in water would he get wet, or would the water get him instead?"
(Is he alive, nobody knows? Particle man...TMBG)
way tangent. Had hoped someone would catch it.
But yes, of course Aokiji would sink-- but only if caught unawares. He could probably freeze it before contact and thus land on ice! Which has nothing to do with Usopp, either.
Kappei Yamaguchi was also Bugs Bunny.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=277
;)
I think this arc is developing the newer crewmembers. Luffy, Nami, Zoro not much characterwise, but… I doubt we're going to see them change much beyond new attacks, sad to say. Sanji has developed a lot already, going off to follow Robin on his own-- there's monsterchopper, we'll see the repercussions of that, and of course Robin's change is huge. Still, Usopp has shown possibly the most development of anybody this arc (Robin could give him a run for it)-- but he's clearly not done yet! It's not so simple as a breakdown, like Robin, or a resolution of will. His character is more complex, and thus his development is more complex.
I agree, Usopp's gotta take somebody out.
hm– I'm not angry, I was wondering if pehaps there was news from them. People know people. I do not know people. :)
However, if threads like this are unacceptable, I request that a moderator delete it. Sorry about this!
Does anybody know what's going on with Gerusama? It's been some time since the last release. :unsure:
Sort of odd consideration… does the dub bring people in or not?
For myself, I can't say it did and I can't say it didn't... a friend recommended the series to me, but I probably wouldn't have bothered to look for it if it hadn't been on American TV. That said, it's only because I was lucky enough to come in on an extremely compelling arc (beginning of Arlong) that (a)the terrible voices (and let's face it, the animation in the early arcs is pretty cheap too) didn't drive me away, and (b) I was motivated to go find and download it in the sub...
I heartilly disagree! Hugh Laurie is as Masculine Badassitous as they come!
[qimg]http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8114/brosb4hos21vk.gif[/qimg]
laughing
ok, ok– I'm convinced! He has aged well and become the silverback... um... chimp.
Isn't possible. If you compared the entire male population of Japan with Kiefer Sutherland or Hugh Laurie alone, Japan would lose big in the "masculine badassity" department.
:laugh: Hugh Laurie is the new icon of masculine badassity? Dude… the man was Wooster in Jeeves and Wooster! He developed his entire career around playing idiot fops!
personally, I think American TV needs more chimpanzee talk shows... <<
Haven't seen it, but I can tell you that "The Seven Samurai" is a truly classic film by Akira Kurosawa, which in turn inspired the classic Western "The Magnificent Seven", which in its turn inspired numerous parodies and imitators, among them the (fairly lousy) "Three Amigos". Looks like it's one storyline we're stuck with…
My poor ava is outclassed by all the sogeking animations… :(
Nice job, guys!
I am also absolutely awed by the voice work. Sooo. Coool.
Of course, I'm also just in general squeeing like a 12-year-old fangirl. At long last!
But I'm really feeling the closeness to the manga now– I can feel the anime gaining on it. At this point it's a question in my mind...
! of whether it will break after the Robin memory arc, or whether Oda will build enough headway to get the anime through CP9 without a break…
The one that got me is when Nami turns to Zoro after they've outrun aqua laguna– my god, her face was eaten by her nose! And that chin... oy.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was annoyed at the bizarrely low quality art.
I second the request for a repost. The old link doesn't work now that the forums have moved!
There's sadly a gap between where Kaizoku is and where Balkongo and then Gerusama picked it up. Nothing to do, the quality you're finding is what there is: fun with Nickelbao and Haingis and all the rest of the gang…
I'm kind of confused as to all the Meaningful Looks that went on between the engineers! They think Paulie and Nami broke up, but… for Sanji? And what's that have to do with Franky being on the train, and... ahhehhhh. I don't remember being confused in the manga, mebbe I should just go reread.:blink:
Yes, a bit odd given that the only thing Usopp brought with him onto Puffing Tom was his bad self, tied up in a bag. (And presumably the manpurse.)
(I'm not even going to start with where Nami hides that climatact, but at least it's obviously disassemblable.)
One Piece, I think, has bags-of-holding.
funny, but… you don't need to go to Star Wars for stories of generations repeating the same patterns of feuding. That's as basic as your Cambells and McLeods.
Huh-- do we know whatever happened to Robin's dad?
Luffy mentioned his brother only because he showed up– the fact that we didn't even know he had a brother until Ace showed up-- and that he becomes enraged when Aokiji mentions his grandfather-- not to mention the way he avoids discussion of others' pasts-- leads me to think that we haven't seen Luffy's flashback yet. (Shanks, sure, but that's a surface story.)
@Dee: I've been thinking about the same thing, how Luffy doesn't know anything about pretty much anybody's past history, while some of the others know about one another. (Although he must know at least something about Nami, just from encountering her old room in Arlong Park.)
Luffy's willful about knowing his nakama's pasts. While that shows an admirable forward-looking quality, might it also be related to his own past? The past Luffy really doesn't want to hear about is his own. Perhaps all this is just externalization of something in him. Or a "do-unto-others" policy.
It might come into conflict right here with Robin; although the flashback seems to be internal to her, not told, Robin's past seems to be something that can't be ignored, and has already caused Luffy's past to peek out a bit (via Aokiji). What does it mean for Luffy when sometimes you can't just keep going forward, ignoring others' pasts?
hmm.
You may not be saying it, but I saw it in the thread :)
All I'm saying is, I find it less interesting that this is similar to HP than that it's a standard Cinderella story.
I'm sort of annoyed that people keep saying that Robin's the "Harry Potter of One Piece". I should think that people would, rather, realize that the "forced to become a slave by the people who should have raised you lovingly"– even "foster child degraded in favor of one's natural children"-- is an element of fairy tale, most prominently associated with Cinderella. Harry Potter's just a modern story that buys into this trope. Oda's not copying from Rowling, he's telling the Cinderella story.
I've been expecting this flashback for so long it's almost surprising to see it finally happen now. :)
They hit the Eva pretty hard, too. AMVers love them some eva. (edit: also Hellsing; and Excel Saga. Jeez, how many times do we have to watch Menchi get chased? That gag was already old.)
What surprised me, actually, was the utter lack of Escaflowne (and, until the end credits, Kenshin). These used to be unomittable. It's kind of sad, really, as they're a couple of my favorites.
Perhaps they were used in the first two AMVHell projects; I haven't watched either, as I'm now at my parents' for Thanksgiving.
whoa…
1)Graveyard of the Fireflies-- DISCO INFERNO??
2)Someone Lurves them some Azumanga Daioh.
3)OMG, they parodied Koop's vid "Euphoria". That is beautiful. (I wonder if there are other AMV parodies in here that I missed. Wow, this thing's a gold mine!)
@CD: grin ok then. (I admit, a merperson of any kind would be kinda neat.)
I do kind of wonder why Oda made Nami's and Robin's arcs so similar… (if we take the current arc as, at least in part, Robin's arc.) I don't want to think that it's writerly laziness, because Oda's kind of the opposite personality... not sure. Other than plot arc, though, they seem to be rather different to me.
You could be right. A fishwoman just seems more unique. It's also the only other way I can see another woman joining that wouldn't sem redundant.
:huh:
Erm… did I miss something?
More than two women is redundant, because what, "we've already got one of those"? Meaning the salient feature of a woman as a character isn't, say, her profession or personality or skills but the mere fact that she's got two x chromosomes?
:glare: :USOPP HAMMER!:
What I want to see in One Piece is more of the side-stories animated. Jango's Dance Paradise, here we come!
I think Nami's shown she can be calm under fire. Look at how she piloted the ship up to Skypeia… when it comes to fighting, like any rational normally powered human, she'll run away/freak out when faced with a danger she can't handle. If Zoro, etc (even Chopper!) is around, she's shown, especially lately, that she's perfectly willing to just delegate that fight rather than freak out.
I'd have just opted for Zoro automatically, but... has he ever actually been called 2nd mate? Luffy always calls him "the swordsman". He may have been 1st to join, but that doesn't mean he's second in command... and I don't think he'd want to be. Zoro's cruising around waiting for his next meeting with Mihawk. I think-- and more importantly, Oda has shown-- that Nami is the one who takes the reins in Luffy's absense.
ooh, something else to look forward to– dramatic mask cracking! (I know everyone else's in on it, but is Chopper? I can't remember.)
@Zoro going in circles: Yeah, I caught that joke-- at first I did a double-take and thought the page must be reverse-imaged or Western format, because it didn't make sense, then realized "wait. That's Zoro. Ooooh, he's doing the old silent-film joke." ...'twas funny. ^_^
laughs Hikaru no Go! The music's about the only thing that makes watching a game I don't play for ten minutes seem like the most gripping experience I could possibly having at that moment.
Anything Yoko Kanno touches turns to gold; particularly Cowboy Bebop and of course Escaflowne, both of which I love, for different reasons.
Noir wins for best battle music that involves opera.
Kenshin wins for best battle music that involves xylophones.
Kenshin OVA wins for best Historical Epic Battle Music (Wars of the Last Wolves, sooo great.)
Bleach loses for worst battle music involving tacky female vocal.
One Piece wins best non-original score for playing Dvorak's New World Symphony, last mvt, with no cuts (!)
Luffy exceeding the abilities of some rather badass government people will, I hope, catapult him into more direct competition with some of the pirate badasses (Whitebeard, doFlamingo) as well as the high-ranking admiralty, These seeds are being set in the background, and have been since before Jaya. I think that once this latest plot gets wrapped, we're going to see all these carefully sown seeds begin to sprout, and Oda's master plan will begin to take shape.
It's an exciting time to be reading One Piece. ^_^
A "northern European" named Sanji…
shrugs
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Usopp is a play both on Aesop and on the Japanese word for a lie-- Uso? (Not sure on spelling here, it's one I've only heard, not encountered in classroom format.)
ah! we've been going at it cross purposes. (well, obviously.) You have typed "gaiden" in your original post where you meant "gaihen".
And, yes, that was cut-and-paste from your earlier post, what I have quoted in mine above.
No matter. We seem to be agreeing in the end, yes?
oy, you make-a me do textual citations! grin
Here ya go:
"Oda has even pulled gaiden WITHIN gaiden at LEAST twice. Ones I recall are his panel with Kaya and the most recent being during this one, his panel on the giants."
Correct me if I'm wrong– but this seems to be you, calling a single panel a gaiden. (Gaiden within gaiden, even... riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a slice of bacon?)
Rephrase from your pick at my logic:
I do think that the 25 page long chapter title page stories are gaiden. That's not where we disagree.
Here's my original statement:
' what is being discussed here is the idea of a long side-story. Which one-panel flashbacks-- and you do call them 'gaiden', see your post-- certainly do not qualify as.'
which was intended to distinguish between a one-panel flashback and a long side story, given that you had, using the Japanese definition of "gaiden", said that short panels were an example of the gaiden phenomenon in the text of One Piece. Which, based on this post, you don't actually think is true?
whew.
Anyway.
I finish up by saying,"I do agree that we see One Piece side stories all the time"
So, um... basically, you're taking my words out of context and then disagreeing with them... in the process... agreeing with me? I think is what's going on.
Yeah. Gaiden. Fitting any definition so far given-- existing, right here, right now, in One Piece.
And flashbacks, which may or may not technically be Gaiden, not being long stories, and hence, not really an answer to what the thread's talking about.
These are my two points.
There is a certain impertinence in allowing oneself to be burned for an opinion.
~Anatole France
Faulty logic is still logic.
~Adam Bevers
(Am I the only one who finds that ava/sig sort of ironically amusing?)
(not sure they're meant that way, but… heh.)
I like Avatar: The Last Airbender quite a bit, actually. It's definitely suffering from a hefty dose of cliche and I've Seen This Before, plotwise and themewise; but on the other hand, the writing is very professional. The jokes work, the characters are compelling, and the animation? The animation is beautiful. Hybrid American/Japanese, with the steady cel techniques combined with high frame rate. There're less dramatic, cinematic shots than in your average anime; but the faces are more animated than your average anime. Hybrid.
Basically, it's a show to watch for character (Sokka!!! and Iroh.) and humor (um... also Sokka...).
I'm looking forward to seeing where they go with it. It's certainly a kids' show, but a good one; there's nothing wrong with children's literature. (After all, One Piece is, too!)
Nice to see other fans on this board. :)
(Edit: Satsuki: er... so... coughBT)
Regardless of the textbook definition of the word "gaiden", what is being discussed here is the idea of a long side-story. Which one-panel flashbacks– and you do call them 'gaiden', see your post-- certainly do not qualify as.
If we had not seen "kakashi gaiden", we would have seen nothing between the end of part I and the beginning of part II of Naruto; it's not like some story element was pre-empted.
In any case, since I do agree that we see One Piece side stories all the time, I think there don't need to be more than are already done.