I'm convinced the mystery retainer is Hitetsu based on the pudgy body, pointy noise, and kasa hat of the silhouette (he now lives in Amigasa village, a not-very-subtle hint). As for Tama, my hunch says she's Momo's niece, meaning Hitetsu and Hiyori did not time-travel and aged naturally.
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RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
The annoying part of IM is that while there was no evidence of her until now, (except her being the National Treasure, and Doffy's orders to kill Moriah, that could have been, or even are, anything else) depends on completelly missreading the character of Blackbeard or the scene where Akainu and the elders are figthing over Doffy's plan.
How, though? The conversation between Sakazuki and the Elders hints directly at the existence of someone like Imu. Sakazuki says, quoting the official translation, "So you're telling me that the whole mistaken mess about Doflamingo leaving the Warlords was on orders from even higher than you all?" Imu's existence is clearly a huge secret, so Sakazuki at the time can only interpret this information as meaning that the Elders are weak leaders, since they allow CP0 and the Celestial Dragons to act independently.
I don't know what you mean by misreading Blackbeard, though. What does his characterization have to do with Imu's existence?
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RE: The One Piece Music Thread
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RE: The One Piece Music Thread
Whole Cake Island BGM coming our way in July 19! It'll include Big Mom's fantastic song from episode 786. Full track list on Avex's website: http://avex.jp/onepiece/music/
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RE: Chapter 851: Tab End
I still don't get the chapter title.
Is it supossed to menat a Dog's Death? Anyway, still out of context.
Dog-end is a British colloquialism for the butt of a cigarette. It also alludes to the worst part of something, so I think it's a great choice for the English title of the chapter.
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RE: The One Piece Music Thread
Waw… It's been a long time since I worked on this document :-D
The french web page 'Ohara-Tree' is now offline, but I continued my research on One Piece Music !Here my Master List of all BGM from TV and Movies :
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qPgH49yuvl7gtI0Gqv5MEmaGfFdIpeAqIaHPcmpDYWY/edit?usp=sharingIn Bold : The official data from Booklets
In Normal : Filling data and translations
Translations are imperfect… Anyone can edit the document for Checking and Correction ?An another list of unreleased soundtrack is planned.
Amazing documentation! Thanks for sharing it!
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RE: Chopper's forms
Question.
Here you go: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=17121
It's not so much that there is one tea party that was rescheduled following the loss of Fishman Island's candy. I think it's more likely that tea parties are recurring events that Big Mom hosts for varying purposes, be it weddings, business, or simply eating candy. The current wedding, then, isn't the tea party so much as it's **a** tea party.
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RE: The One Piece Music Thread
Some time ago, it bothered me that the MSC sets (for the most part) presented the music as medleys of individual pieces, instead of having each piece be its own track. If you were ever curious of each individual piece's title, I've prepared an English version of French fan-group OharaTree's document that answers this.
Don't know how many people really care about this, haha, but here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aEZYVFvSClF8jD9Ca0ryd67aGumy4msdmfkfTbweklg/pub
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RE: The One Piece Music Thread
Is anyone working on, or know any sources that have a more complete accreditation for every individual track of all the OSTs?
Here you go. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bJmg60aCQ9lPjq1jQuiQFmQjCx8iJYn1DzoRiNlUkQk/pub
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RE: The One Piece Music Thread
An Audio RIP (compilation & accumulation)of all unreleased background music since 2014 (Dressrosa / 3D2Y / Sabo)–-> https://mega.nz/#F!7BcRGIyQ!yobJba7NoDBRXUI6VB9oeAI will regularly update those folders
It looks like the new release covered everything on your list! Only the Gramophone, Diamante, and Kanjuro pieces weren't included; I think these were just stock music that Toei had in the studio. Tracks 2 and 3 of 3D2Y on your list are actually the same piece, as are track 4 and Femme Fatale. Interestingly, Femme Fatale/4 are an instrumental arrangement of Nami's character song from the Rookies Log Collection CD. Anyway, thanks so much for documenting all these tracks for so long!
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RE: VIZ/Mangastream Comparison Questions and Archive
Also everyone in the podcast is reading Germa 66 aloud as 'Germa double six,' but I've had it in my head the whole time as 'Germa sixty-six.' Is there a reason the name might be read as two single digit numbers instead of as a two digit one? Or does this one just come down to personal preference?
In Japanese, Germa 66 is rendered as "ジェルマ 66", with furigana over the 66 that instruct the reader to pronounce it as Germa Double-Six.
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RE: Chapter 830: He Who Gets Bet On
I think you guys are reading too much into Brook's lines. (just for this chapter I mean)
He is probably referring to Luffy's power to gather allies and to be "he who gets bet on". That's the theme of the chapter. He says "I am not much different" because he feels the same way about Luffy.
Yup, I had the same impression. The only thing Brook might be hiding is history with the Vinsmoke family.
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RE: Chapter 827: Totland
Yeah, I'm assuming it was just a different choice of word from the different translators. Still, I'm curious as to what the raw uses for the title.
The Japanese says 大臣 (daijin), which translates as minister.
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RE: The One Piece Music Thread
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/EYCA-11069
Might we finally be getting the Dressrosa OST?! :D
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RE: Chapter 820: Dog and Cat have a history
Same here, can't seem to find it?
I don't know about 817, but Momo calls Kaido "親の仇" (roughly translated as "enemy of my parents" and contextualized to mean "parents' murderer") in 819. Kin used the same words to describe his aggression towards the smaller dragon on Punk Hazard in 682; Brook asks Kin, roughly, "But why are you so riled by the dragon? It's almost as if it were your parents' murderer!", to which Kin replies "Parents' murderer … that's about right!!!".
This observation comes from Greg's Twitter feed, so I assume he meant 819.
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RE: Chopper's forms
Did we ever hear anything about Law's plan to take down Kaidou that would make sense in light of recent events? I mean, in the last chapter we heard that a samurai army, the Minks, as well as Marco and maybe other remains of the WB pirates will join the fight against Kaidou (presuming nothing goes wrong). So what was Law thinking when he thought he could take on Kaidou with his little alliance? The plan as we know it (or as I remember it) was:
1. Spy on Punk Hazard and Caesar's work, before destroying the production of SAD and kidnapping Caesar
2. Luffy happened to come by –> profit, make alliance
3. Destroy the SMILE factory on Dressrosa to cut off the supply to Kaidou. Also destroy Dofla in the meantime because of an old gudge
4. Head for Zou to pick up crew
5. ...Find Kaidou wherever he is and beat him up with the two crews?That doesn't sound right. I really feel like there must have been more to the plan. The last few chapters felt like the perfect time for Law to say "hey guys, you still haven't heard the rest of my plan, gather 'round so I can tell you how this is going to go down" but now it feels more unlikely that we'll ever get to hear more of his plan. So did I miss something or is my concern legitimate? If we really heard nothing else to make sense of all this, I think we have to trust that Oda will give it some space later on.
Law never had a plan. This is Law's story:
1. Became a Warlord to get the government off his trail, allowing him to step foot on Punk Hazard.
2. Left his crew on Zou, thinking he'd never see them again.
3. Arrived at Punk Hazard, made a deal with Caesar to be able to stay there.At this point, his plan was to destroy SAD production, kidnap Caesar himself, force Doflamingo to give up the Warlord title, destroy SMILE production, and have Doflamingo fall at the hands of either Kaido or the admirals as a result. His goal was always the downfall of Doflamingo; nothing else.
However, the Straw Hats happened to land on Punk Hazard. It's important to think about how Law and Luffy's relationship developed. Law saved Luffy from Marineford on a whim, based on his knowledge that Luffy is a D. So when they meet up at Punk Hazard, although it's coincidence, Law sees it as more of the 'luck of D.'.
Thus, Law wants to use the Straw Hats to find and destroy the SMILE factory. He also takes the opportunity to have Luffy handle Caesar while he destroys SAD to speed things up.
However, how is he going to convince Luffy to help him? He decided to pitch his plan to Luffy as a plan to take down Kaido; this was only to get the Straw Hats to benefit his actual plan for vengeance.
In he end, some things happened that Law didn't expect. Turns out Monet worked for Doflamingo and she alerted him to Law's presence on PH, which resulted in Vergo going to deal with him. Turns out Doflamingo is a Celestial Dragon that could fake a Warlord resignation. Turns out the Straw Hats are the biggest altruists ever. But in the end, he had to fight Doflamingo head on instead of relying on Kaido or the admirals and it all worked out. So now that his own goals were met, looks like he's going to return the favor to Luffy by actually sticking around for the fight with Kaido.
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RE: Ultimate Time-Line of the Grandline (Updated Mar, 2012)
Do we know how much time passed between Momo boarding the ship to Punk Hazard and his reunion with Kine'mon?
Nope. We do know that Raizō was already hidden at Zō 18 days before present day when Jack attacked, so the four samurai were split up at sea before that. Beyond that, we don't know how long it took for Momo, Kin, and Kan to drift ashore on Dressrosa, how long they were in Dressrosa before Momo accidentally boarded the ship, or how long it took Kin to reach Punk Hazard.
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RE: Chapter 815: Take Me With You!
Just for the record :
Why dont Kinemon and co have qualms about entering a nation thats supposedly hostile towards them?From their view, there's little reason they'd expect hostility. The minks don't have any kind of long-held antagonism towards the samurai. They're definitely protective of their land, but things like the warning bell and the role of the forest guardians apply to all foreigners. The only reason why samurai are taboo at the moment is that their country was just annihilated because of one. That resentment plus the unwanted attention that the arrival of more samurai would bring to Zou are why the Straw Hats expect the minks to turn hostile against them.
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RE: Chopper's forms
When was the last time the Straw Hats got paid? I'm starting to wonder about their financial situation. I think the last time they got their hands on gold was Skypeia? I know they almost got some additional gold on FI too but then Luffy gave it away to Big Mom. Did I miss out on any other instance?
Otherwise, thank goodness the people they've been saving have been very generous with food and lodging.
They also left Thriller Bark with a big pile of treasure. Some of it is likely still on the Sunny.
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RE: Chapter 814: Let's go see Master Nekomamushi
A Viz subscription is absolutely worth it. Scan and translation quality are top notch. MangaPanda is garbage and MangaStream leans towards profanity and a rougher taste in its dialogue when it isn't really there. Case in point, MangaStream made Zoro out to be more asshole than detached in this chapter.
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RE: Chapter 814: Let's go see Master Nekomamushi
Doesn't the 'third son' allude to the notion that the Vinsmoke family has only 'sons'(male children)?
Not really. For example, say a family has 5 children. From eldest to youngest, say they're male, male, female, female, male. The youngest child, though fifth overall, would still be the third son.
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RE: Worst Generation's alliances/enemy theories
I posted this when the image first came out, but here's a rough translation of the arrow links:
Kaido and Doflamingo had business dealings.
Law and Doflamingo are connected by fate.
Law/Luffy crushed Doflamingo.
Law/Luffy targeting Kaido.
Drake is under the umbrella (?) of Kaido. (Note the question mark).
Luffy has respect/promise towards Shanks.
Luffy and Big Mom are antagonistic towards each other.
Capone is under the umbrella of Big Mom.
Kid/Apoo/Hawkins targeting Shanks.
Kid/Apoo/Hawkins battled/at war/hostile towards Kaido.
Weevil targeting Blackbeard.
Kuzan collaborating with Blackbeard? (Note the question mark).
Kuzan and Sakazuki are antagonistic towards each other.
Sakazuki hunting/searching for Bonney.
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RE: Ultimate Time-Line of the Grandline (Updated Mar, 2012)
Absolutely anything is possible. For now all we should do is stick to the facts. There was a tea party planned four days past Fishman Island and now there is one planned for a marriage. We don't know if either took or will take place. Big Mom could very well hold these tea parties regularly as a kind of crew meeting. She may have very well cancelled the former party because of the absence of the Fishman Island candies. Bounties could have come out before the originally scheduled date and she promptly rescheduled to arrange the marriage (assuming Sanji's sudden importance and show-of-face even matters to Big Mom). Just hold out on any timeline conclusions until we know more.
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RE: Official Dressrosa Thread
@.access:
Sure, later we find out everyone always knew about Scarlet and Kyros marriage, but that still doesn't explain why Doffy allowed her to just live her life and how the hell she became a gladiator.
The citizens knew of both the marriage and Rebecca's birth before the DonQuixote Family ever conquered them (see chapter 799). It's really up to your imagination as to how they could have possibly known this from the get-go. I have the impression that these citizens love gossip and in some way the information leaked from the palace; as the king said, the reason they even bothered faking Scarlett's death was to uphold the outward prestige and purity of the royal bloodline.
Rebecca was never allowed "to just live her life". Seen best in chapter 721, she was always on the run with the Soldier, living quietly and avoiding attention. We see that the Soldier apologizes to Rebecca after receiving a bounty for saving her from some kidnappers. Rebecca isn't a gladiator in the same way Bartolomeo, Cavendish, and others are gladiators; she is one of the prisoner gladiators of the country that we see in chapter 720. After years of being in hiding and on the run with Kyros, they must have captured her. She was prisoner in the colosseum, forced by Doflamingo to participate in matches. Now, why would Doflamingo do this instead of outright killing her? Perhaps Viola had some influence in this, but it's just like Doflamingo to expose Rebecca continuously to the citizens' jeers and hatred while she fights in brutal, inhumane contests. Remember that the typical gladiator (like the "mummies" in 720) lost their limbs and their will with time, until they perished in the cells of the colosseum. Yet Rebecca, thanks to Kyros' training, remained undefeated; she survived using her avoidance strategy and even stuck it to Doflamingo by not perpetuating violence in her combat and victories.
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RE: Chapter 811 : Roko
@Bartholemew:
Wait, didn't Weevil target Strawhats? Sure, he wanted to target BB, but then his momma… ehm... he decided differently.
I translated what was on the image. I'd say that all the page's arrow links have more to do with big-picture motivations and conflicts in the story. Sure, for now Weevil is on the search for Luffy to dig info on Marco's location (to please his beloved mother), but his higher motivation lies in avenging Whitebeard.
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RE: Chapter 811 : Roko
If I have to take a logic answer, it would be "Made contact with".
No, the word linking them translates directly to "in battle"/"at war with"; there's no ambiguity about it.
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RE: Chapter 811 : Roko
A bit late, but here is the clean version. I can't find new info, though…[hide]http://i.imgur.com/19yOqOc.jpg[/hide]
Thanks for the high quality image! Here's a rough translation:
Kaido and Doflamingo had business dealings.
Law and Doflamingo are connected by fate.
Law/Luffy crushed Doflamingo.
Law/Luffy targeting Kaido.
Drake is under the umbrella (?) of Kaido. (Note the question mark).
Luffy has respect/promise towards Shanks.
Luffy and Big Mom are antagonistic towards each other.
Capone is under the umbrella of Big Mom.
Kid/Apoo/Hawkins targeting Shanks.
Kid/Apoo/Hawkins battled/at war/hostile towards Kaido.
Weevil targeting Blackbeard.
Kuzan collaborating with Blackbeard? (Note the question mark).
Kuzan and Sakazuki are antagonistic towards each other.
Sakazuki hunting/searching for Bonney.
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RE: Chopper's forms
So since we got chapter 811 early (I don't think anyone expected that release date?)
Are we getting a chapter this week or next week?Next next week. 812 comes out officially on Jan. 18, so scanlations will likely be available Jan. 14/15.
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RE: Chapter 811 : Roko
Just read the chapter, and maybe this was already mentioned in the previous 15 pages, but Sanji and Caesar disappeared two days ago. This is more than a week after bounties were issued. So Sanji's Only Alive status isn't related to something in his disappearance.
Yup. Sanji, Nami, Chopper, and Brook might not even know about their bounty increases.
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RE: Favorite and Least Favorite Story Arcs
Having a certain plot as a backdrop is one thing. Doula and Kaido were behind the scenes of PH, but there were still island-exclusive plots like saving the children, Smoker and Tashigi, Kin'emon and Momonosuke and Shinokuni. PH had its own self-contained story to tell, just like Little Garden and Whiskey Peak.
Same can't be said for Water 7/Enies Lobby. The story Water 7 tells is literally continued on Enies Lobby. By the time Water 7 ends, Robin is still captured, Usopp is still out of the crew, Franky is ambiguously an ally and Merry is out there somewhere. The fate of everybody involved in the assassination plot is only resolved there in Enies Lobby.
Exactly. I don't see how this isn't obvious to everyone.
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RE: Favorite and Least Favorite Story Arcs
Best post ever.
Amazingly straightforward and detailed comparison! That's how I see things, too.
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RE: Favorite and Least Favorite Story Arcs
Except most of the Enies Lobby's cast came from Water 7, with the same general plotline of "rescue Robin".
In terms of storyline, it was just a continuation of Water 7. Literally nothing introduced in Water 7 gets resolved before Enies Lobby, be it Franky's joining, Usopp's rejoining, Robin's rescue, Merry's fate and Lucci's defeat.
And because of that, it suffered from fatigue. No one started reading Enies Lobby with the sensation of a fresh new adventure.
Wonderfully put. Sadly, longer stories overstay their welcome in a weekly release format. :sad: That takes nothing away from the quality of the CP9 story, though. Definitely my favorite One Piece arc. :happy:
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RE: Favorite and Least Favorite Story Arcs
@Helter:
I agree. I can't analize Enies Lobby on it's own either. Water 7/Sea Train/Enies Lobby is one arc. Everybody seems to think that everytime they reach a new island, that's a new arc. I don't even think Alabasta is a complete arc. The Baroque Works arc starts at Laboon and ends at Alabasta (with a brief interlude at Drum).
because that's how it works with Oda. A new island always involve new characters, settings, and plotlines. New island= new arc, like it or not that's how it is. you are confusing arcs and sagas.
Baroque Works' smaller story pieces actually work as standalone stories, though – even as they all together build towards the events in Alabasta. Little Garden, for example, highlights the inevitability of plans not working out due to unpredictable things like instinct (foreshadowing the failure of Crocodile's plans) and Drum speaks of unconditional love and the health of a country (giving in-universe context for what it means for a country to be 'good' – values championed later by Cobra).
Yet Water 7 and Enies Lobby, despite being separate islands, are simply an indivisible story. There's a reason they return to Water 7 after rescuing Robin: the story must end where it begins. On it own, Water 7 simply introduces a bunch of thematic ideas but says nothing of them; it's the actions in Enies Lobby that offer us a message on Water 7's ideas. (That's why on its own, Enies Lobby comes across as mindless action; all the weight of the action comes from the events in Water 7; that's why they're not separate narratively: one is the development, the other the resolution.)
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RE: Favorite and Least Favorite Story Arcs
Enies Lobby isn't even an arc. :getlost: It's half of the CP9 arc. Water 7 and Enies Lobby make no sense as separate stories; they're halves of the same story. That said, I think Enies Lobby got its key moments right: Robin's past, the declaration of war, the return of Merry, and Usopp's unmasking/words to Luffy. These were amazing moments that, for me, satisfyingly wrapped up the drama set up in Water 7.
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RE: Favorite and Least Favorite Story Arcs
We can see, as zeltrax225 points out, that the Straw Hats have become caricatures of themselves since the time-skip and that they no longer cruise through the sea with the former freedom they enjoyed. The Straw Hats once resonated with readers because of how personal and intimate their relationships and actions were: fighting for Nami's sake, Usopp overcoming his cowardice for the sake of his crew and dream, risking their lives in Alabasta for the sake of a friend's happiness, overcoming their insecurities and working as a team to save Robin. That whole communities were saved in the process was secondary to the more important themes of the story, which were all informed directly by the Straw Hats' actions.
The story is now the opposite. Its themes no longer have anything to do with the Straw Hats, who've become secondary characters in their own story. The Straw Hats now act as a kind of Justice League that saves the day for the sake of saving the day instead of for the sake of fleshed-out and believable relationships. As examples take Nami's "I can't walk away from crying children", Luffy's "I'll save everybody everywhere", Franky/Robin's "must fight against evil". The Straw Hats, once free adventurers that went wherever the compass pointed them now go island to island with a plan.
I feel like Oda has replaced the real Straw Hats with cardboard cutouts in the story, to the point that they no longer hold any agency in the story's direction. The best example of this is Dressrosa, where there's an absolute lack of stakes for the Straw Hats. Every single one of them there is acting on a whim of empathy in which they lose nothing by losing. Hell, their original purpose in Dressrosa becomes a joke of an afterthought; the factory unceremoniously blows up in some side-panel of some random chapter.
Look at Zoro's progression through Dressrosa as an example: Find factory, I guess. Sword got stolen. Chase Wicca. Take Wicca to Flower Field. Watch Block C. Go save Sunny. Oh, guess not; warn Luffy of marine presence. Oh, Law got beat. Save Law, I guess. Oh, rock dude, guess I'll hold him off. Where'd he go? Oh, Luffy's here and Law's with us again I guess. Go beat Doflamingo, I guess. Oh, there's rock dude, guess I'll hold him off. Yawn, why he no fight me. Oops, he's giant again, guess I'll beat him. Oh, that cage thing is shrinking. Guess I'll try to stop it. Oh, guess we won. At no point did Zoro have any personal investment in any action on Dressrosa; he only did things because he happened to be there.
What's more, the Straw Hats just say uninspired, narratively generic things at most times now. Zoro's "oh you're looking at future best swordsman", Robin's "oh Luffy is trump card", Sanji "oh me no hit women".
Of course, these changes to the Straw Hats simply explain some people's disillusionment with the One Piece story of late. I still find many things to love about the story, like Law and Doflamingo's complicated history, Kyros' struggles, the sinister undertones of the New World, etc. I just wish the Straw Hats acted more believably once more, with range of emotions as opposed to expressing themselves as tropes all the time.
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RE: Chapter 807: 10 Days Ago
I am disappointed in this chapter I don't know what Oda was trying to do but it was a total failure, the way wanda mentioned dead comrades and the look on her face in those panels just don't add up to todays reveal. It feels so out of place like Oda made a last minute change to what he had intended so this chapter scores low in my book, the only things I find appealing about the chapter are the mink tribe and the different design and the Sanji mystery everything else about the chapter fails.
Everything adds up… Carrot attacks Zoro's group because she's unaware that they're the Straw Hats and because Bariete is mysteriously missing. Wanda stops her, telling her they're the Straw Hats, who the minks see as saviors. Wanda tells them how to reach the Fortress by saying they'll find their "friend's corpse" there, NOT "friends' corpses".
Let's pause there. In Japanese, Wanda says "nakama no shitai". Due to Japanese ambiguity, that can be taken as "friend's corpse" or "friends' corpses". Obviously, Oda took advantage of this ambiguity to create suspense for the reader, but the fact that Wamda simply referred to Brook isn't nonsensical; it doesn't mean that things "don't add up". It's just a case of Oda using language for cheap suspense.
Okay, so with that explained, let's talk about "the look on her face". As she leaves with Carrot to save Luffy from the attack that she says is inevitable, Carrot comments about what the newly arrived Straw Hats will think once they get to the Fortress, to which Wanda somberly replirs that what's done is done. Evidently, they're talking about whatever circumstances befell Sanji. When they start leading Luffy to the Fortress, Wanda tells Luffy that they'll take him to his friends. Luffy says, "So Sanji is here!". Wanda's somber face is in reaction to Sanji ONLY. NOTHING to do with everyone else. Now we've seen that Nami, Chopper, and Brook are equally upset.
That we haven't learned exactly what happened to Sanji to explain these reactions is a different matter. The newly arrived Straw Hats seem as confused as the readers about the whole situation, though Luffy and Zoro don't appear too worried by whatever Nami already told them off-panel. But now we're starting to get the whole story, so be patient and enjoy. Everything makes sense in-story. :)
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RE: Chapter 806: At the Fortress of Left Stomach
I find it a little unlikely that after two weeks of action, defeat, healing and befriending the minks on Zou, the Swirlyhats had no contact with Bepo and the Heart pirates.
Bepo was just reacting to the arrival of Luffy and Law specifically last chapter. As you say, he likely already knows half of the Straw Hats have been on Zou for over a week.
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RE: Ultimate Time-Line of the Grandline (Updated Mar, 2012)
Not sure where else to put this and when I saw this I was reminded of this thread so eh what the hell.
http://mangasee.co/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=268&index=1&page=5
Wiper says that the Straw Hats had been in Skypiea "a few days". Why would he say that? We only had one night, so that would make it one day. Seems a bit odd to say "a few days". Would this be a translation mistake or is Wiper just being stupid or what's going on here?
It's a mistranslation. The original line is 「昨日今日空へ来たお前らに」, roughly meaning "You lot have only been here from yesterday to today".
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RE: Ultimate Time-Line of the Grandline (Updated Mar, 2012)
@Eat:
It is? I thought it was around the 13th. Including Fishman Island.
Agreed; it's the 13th day.
1st: Reunion @ Sabaody early in the day.
~2-3 hour trip down to Fishman Island. (It took James Cameron 2h 36min to dive 11 km. Fishman Island is 10 km deep).
Hody's coup. Banquet. Big Mom conflict.2nd: Leave Fishman Island.
~1-2 hour trip to New World. (James Cameron's ascent was 1h 10min).
Punk Hazard.
Jinbe takes Caribou to G-5.3rd: Dressrosa. World Government embarrassed.
Pekoms/Tamgo (& Capone?) chase Sunny.
Jinbe + Cat adventures.
Sabo leaves for Baltigo at night.4th: Sunny team @ Zou. Likely when Jack is attacking Zou.
Urouge watches Kaido jump.
Kaido lands at KHA base.
Jinbe leaves with Poneglyph.5th: Tea Party @ Whole Cake Island.
Pekoms/Tamago had stopped pursuing Sunny the day prior.
Unknown: Did Pekoms/Tamago make it to the Tea Party?
Did Jinbe go to the Tea Party & cut ties with Big Mom?
Or was the Tea Party cancelled b/c would rather find Caesar & no Fishman Island candy anyway?6th: Leave Dressrosa. New bounties out early in the day.
Reinstatement of Riku.
Straw Hat Fleet formed.
Jack tries to recapture Doflamingo.
Weevil decides to search for Luffy to find Marco.One week later. So 6 + 7 = 13.
13th: Arrival @ Zou w/ Barto.
Dragon calls Rev. leaders to Baltigo.
Burgess calls Blackbeard to Baltigo.
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RE: Chapter 805: The Mink Tribe
Has anyone asked why the guardians are guarding the whale tree in particular? Did we all just assume that it's just a traditionally sacred local site or has anyone postulated on its possible importance?
There's little we can say about the Whale Forest besides "it's important" at this point; the whale tree appears artificial (mink-made), and has a central position in the country. As for the guardians, they likely protect the whole country (i.e. their role is not limited to/defined by the Whale Forest); they're just at the Whale Forest now because that's where Luffy ended up.
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RE: Chapter 805: The Mink Tribe
Nami wasn't wearing these clothes though.
Nami could very well have been wearing these clothes. She's been in Zou for 9 days. We saw her outfit during the 1st of those days. It's completely possible that she changed clothes during the following 8 days.
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RE: Chapter 805: The Mink Tribe
And why Law didn't expect to see his crewmates again?
Is he prepared to die with the encounter with Doflamingo?
But he did mention that his crew is on Zou before arriving at Dressrosa, like they are going to reach Zou next.
Is Law plan to go under the same flag now…... ?Law never planned on taking down Kaido. We can track events like this:
From Law's point of view:
• Heart Pirates reach New World, Law plans on taking Doflamingo down.
• Law gains Warlord status to reach Punk Hazard (and S.A.D.) untracked/unquestioned.
• Heart Pirates split. Law goes to Punk Hazard and the rest go to Zou, presumably using Zou as a temporary base because of Bepo's connection to it. The thing is, Law probably told his crew he'd meet up with them on Zou (explaining why Law has Bepo's vivre card and why the Heart Pirates have stayed on Zou for a while. In their mind, they've just been waiting for Law). HOWEVER, in Law's mind, he never planned on going to Zou, since he fully expected to die while carrying out his revenge plan.
• Law's revenge plan:
(a) Halt S.A.D. production.
(i) Destroy production room.
(ii) Kidnap Caesar.
(b) Force Doflamingo to resign as a Warlord.
This would make Doflamingo a normal pirate again. Given the caliber of pirate that Doflamingo is, it would (presumably) mean that actual Admirals would immediately move to arrest him.
Halt S.M.I.L.E. production.
On top of being pursued by the navy, Doflamingo would face the wrath of his biggest client, Kaido.
• NOTICE Law did NOT intend on directly facing off with Doflamingo. Nonetheless, he was aware of how wrong his plan could go at any given point, which is why he did not expect to survive.
• Things that Law thought could go wrong with revenge plan:
(a) Obviously, Caesar has direct communication with Doflamingo. So in going to Punk Hazard, Law had to make sure Caesar stayed didn't tell Doflamingo that Law was on Punk Hazard.
(b) To keep Caesar quiet, Law trades his heart with Monet's.
(c) etc.
• Things that actually went wrong:
(a) Law did NOT know that Monet was part of the DonQuixote Family (she joined after he left). So Monet told Doflamingo and Vergo that he was on Punk Hazard.
Notice though that even though Doffy knew, he and Vergo did nothing while Law did nothing. Doffy fully expected to reconcile with Law.
(b) Once Law did start acting suspicious, Vergo got a hold of Law's heart.
(Monet knew that Law helped Luffy at Marineford, so when Luffy appeared at Punk Hazard (an island supposed to be secret),
she immediately alerted Vergo and Doffy of possible trouble.
Doflamingo turned out to be a former Celestial Dragon. This allowed him to fake a Warlord resignation and avoid being pursued by
the Admirals. Remember that Law told Smoker that he'd go to Green Bit on purposing, guessing correctly that Smoker would inform
Marine HQ and admirals would end up at Green Bit ready to arrest an ex-Warlord Doflamingo.
(d) Doflamingo's contingencies forced Law to go into direct conflict with Doflamingo after all, making the S.M.I.L.E. factory's destruction
look directly like Law/Luffy's fault. Kaido will now be mad at Law/Luffy instead of Doflamingo. This forced Law to try to get revenge by
just facing Doflamingo head-on.
• Finally, things that changed the plan:
(a) Straw Hats, by chance/fate, landed on Punk Hazard. In trying to make his life easier, Law wanted to use the Straw Hats to destroy the
S.M.I.L.E. factory while Doffy was distracted with the Caesar trade/Warlord resignation/Marines Admirals.
(b) To convince Luffy, Law made it sound like his plan was to take down Kaido. So when they actually managed to kidnap Caesar
and stop S.A.D. production despite everything that went wrong (Vergo/Doffy cataching on to Law, Vergo showing up), Law had
to play along and make his revenge plan sound like a alliance to take down Kaido. So he simply brought up Zou because that's
where, if alive, he'd go next.
New plan was:
(i) Stopped S.A.D. and kidnapped Caesar.
(ii) Force Doffy to resign. Lure marines to Green Bit.
(iii) Straw Hats destroy factory while Law distracts Doffy with Caesar trade.
Law made it sound like this step was necessary to stop Kaido's crew from gaining more S.M.I.L.E. users.
(iv) Kaido takes out Doffy b/c no more S.M.I.L.E.
(d) When they actually managed to take down Doffy despite what went wrong (fake resignation), Law is now sought
by Kaido, so NOW who know what Law will do. Will he go through with his made-up,now-real plan to take out
Kaido with the Straw Hats? Will he reunite with his crew in Zou and ditch the Straw Hats?Super long, but I think this makes it clear. :ninja:
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RE: Chapter 804: An Adventure on the Back of an Elephant
For that mink woman who seems to wear nami's bra, either that mink woman borrowed it from Nami, or stole it from nami. But i don't think she's Nami. If this was the case, it would awfully sound like the hobby hobby fruit which transform people, and personally, i think it would be very repetitive.
And Nami was dressed like this : [qimg]http://i6.mangapanda.com/one-piece/795/one-piece-5842831.jpg[/qimg]
Nami's been at Zou for 6 days. She's allowed to have changed clothes since chapter 795 lol.
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RE: Chapter 803: Climbing the elephant
is the name Raizou related in any way to the word Zou, or just a coincidence? maybe that ninja ate an Elephant Zoan, it would be very funny seeing a ninja elephant trying to hide
Looking at the Japanese script, Raizō uses hiragana for zō (ぞう). As I understand, this was once a common name suffix for young men (e.g. Nami uses the name Namizō to convince Lola she is a man). As for the island, its name uses katakana for Zō (ゾウ), marking it as a conscious "proper noun" form of 'elephant' (象). I doubt there's anything more to it than Oda, in naming this samurai-ninja, going "ha, zō is an old Japan guy's thing and they're on Zō".
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RE: Chapter 802: Zou
Compare their 7 days travel with the swirly hats that were there in 3 or something like that.
@Galaxy:
The Swirlyhats got there by the next day, actually.
Yup. A combination of how much closer Zou must have been to Dressrosa at the time and Nami's skill.
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RE: Chapter 802: Zou
Small details that I only noticed by re-reading the chapter :
the back of the "Going Luffy" has the shape of Chopper's head and hat;
the den-den of Gambia's grandma is pretty… interesting;
Franky's new shirt seems to have "Corazon" written on it.Franky's shirt at the beginning of the chapter is the same he's been wearing since they left Dressosa. It says "Corrida", like Robin's. He's wearing a new black shirt when they see Zou, but that one's wordless. (He is sporting a cool new belt and hairdo, though. )
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RE: Official Zou Thread
@S.C.:
The Vivre Card is pointing to it, so yes.
The vivre card points to Law's crew. The way we know the Curly Hats are on Zou is chapter 795's clues.
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RE: Official Dressrosa Thread
If there was really someone to hate in Dressrosa, it would be Rebecca. I really hated her, throughout the entire arc. Even with the sad flashback, I just can't like her. Kyros was fine, Violet was fine… but her ? She had absolutely no development at all. I expected her to do something cool against Diamante, at least hurt him or something, show him that she has changed. Even if she had lost, if at least she would have fought against him, I would have respected her. What was the point of her being in the Coliseum anyways ? Probably fanservice. Hate to say that, but it's true guys. 'Gotta face it.
Well, at least she was quite nice in the last few chapters, when she reunites with her dad, though the thing that gave me the feels was more Kyros than her.Unfortunately, Oda placed Rebecca muddy moral character territory. From the way she was presented, the reader is meant to take her morals (non-violence and pacifism) as truth. This means that Rebecca can't develop, because she already has the highest moral maturity of any character in the arc. A key aspect of her characterization is her innocence; she has unsoiled/clean hands. Each of her scenes tried to preserve her purity in some form. Her ideals are meant to be the best, but impossible to uphold in the world of One Piece; and so it's up to characters capable of getting dirty to defend the purity and moral good that Rebecca represents.
Of course, like many others, I am not a fan of this kind of storytelling. No character should have this kind of impervious/pristine standing that means they don't need to change. I prefer human characters that are, you know, human: capable of error, prone to insecurity and change. I would have loved for Rebecca to fight Diamante alongside Kyros. It would have been a touching reconciliation ~ Rebecca using what her father taught her and Kyros accepting his influence on his daughter. But instead we got what I described above: the protection of purity. Meh. :ninja:
Of course, I'm still a huge fan of Kyros' story.
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RE: Chopper's forms
have we ever seen doffy's eyebrows? if so, can someone please link a picture.
You can see a part of an eyebrow here. This is the only time we've seen a glimpse of his eyes. Notice the similarity to his dad's eye shape.
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RE: Chapter 801: Opening Declaration
Remember when Law said that he wanted to destroy the world ?
Well, now that he has beaten Doflamingo, it seems that he is, in a way, destroying the world. I'm referring to Doflamingo's speech, when he says that without him, the Marines and the World Government would be in big trouble, that a "game of thrones" would appear and that people will start conquering the world.
You're taking Law's words way out of context to create an irony that isn't really there. Law said what he said after having lost his family, friends and city, knowing he'd die in a short time. The irrationality and injustice of his losses made him think (like Doffy) that the world is an ugly place. The whole point of Law's story is to show that the world isn't so bad: people like Rocinante exist, and so humans are as capable of good as they are of bad.
Doffy's speech here speaks of wars and chaos to come, but Law isn't out for blood anymore. Will Law be involved in the "game of thrones"? Of course. But the incoming world conflict has nothing to do with an outlook that Law doesn't even have anymore.