Posts made by evelyne

@RomanceDawn:

A tree with a face! Just like Thriller Bark! A crew mate forced into marriage! Just like Thriller Bark! All these weird things that shouldn't be alive are alive because of a Devil Fruit! Just like Thriller Bark!

Evelyn I'm surprised you didn't quit the series when Gaimon and his weird animals were revealed.

As Sandman cited, we've known since forever that most anything magical is the result of a Devil Fruit.

I knew that. But as I said, forgive people who aren't craving for this kind of stuff. Not everyone can enjoy this kind of wacky settings, be it created by a devil fruit or not (it doesn't matter anyway).

Like I said previously, Alabasta/Skypiea/Water Seven, the best period of this manga, had a nice mixed stuff of normal and fun settings. The weirdness and goofiness keep increasing since Thriller Bark, and (I think) it hurts the story. As you can see this arc is already very controversed in the discussions.

People saying "this is your typical One Piece adventure and exploring"…no...Alabasta, Skypiea, Water Seven had that stuff and it was good, the golden age of this manga. It was serious and funny at the same time, interesting and creative. This is just...dumb and weird. "I'm buried because I like being burried" wow, Goda. This manga is just getting dumber and dumber, just like his main character. Forgive people who aren't craving for this kind of stuff. One Piece really started getting very wonky and weird at Thriller Bark. But before that it wasn't, even Foxy arc was funny and weird but it wasn't over the top. Oda is really trying too hard to make Big Mom's world all weird and wonky. It can't please everyone.

And this is getting again very repetitive, we've had Dressrosa being very similar to Alabasta and now this is getting very similar to Thriller Bark. It's like Oda is recycling his own arcs with a lower quality. I bet just like Moria's zombies and Dressorosa toys, or Punk Hazard's weirdness, we will learn soon that all these living things are made by a devil fruit user, it's just the same thing over again.

@Monkey:

Oh wait, I thought of one.
That Oda is saving him for later in other storylines!

In fact if you think about it, nothing makes sense about not fully showing or naming this person unless he plans to show him eventually.

Nope. What doesnt make sense is your reasoning. If this King was that important, he would have a name and a face. You would notice that every nameless Kings turned out…unimportant. King of Lvneel is a noname because he is unimportant to the story, same goes for Wapol's father. It makes absolutely no fucking sense to not give Goa's King a name if Oda planned to use him later in the story. It makes even less sense that Stelly is the current King. If this nameless King was so important, it would have been a great opportunity to have him as a King in the Reverie, don't you think? Why did Oda decide to make Stelly the new king? Maybe maybe because the one during Sabo's flashback was unimportant.

@Cyan:

Remember how Rayleigh showed up for one panel in Buggy's flashback, was not named, and never mattered ever again?

His face was shown, and Oda even said to the anime team to make his face right. That's a rather weak argument that you've got there.

@King:

But you did say he was memorable, because of a bowler hat.

He has a distinctive design and he could be important, or not. I don't know and I don't care.

The King doesn't have a distinctive design but on top of that there is absolutely no reason for Oda to not give his name during Sabo's flashback.

@KageKageKing:

Says the figure who thinks Hat Man is important because of a hat and we can't see the face or name.

I've never said he is important. But it's not like you have been paying attention, you are a spammer.

@Monkey:

I'm struggling to think of an angle where you aren't wallowing in garbage strained arguments.
Like even this forces you to make a terrible argument of the monarchy not showing up in a Dragon flashback.
It's almost like if everywhere you turn is a terrible argument you have to make to defend this guy not mattering, that you are done and finished.

None of my arguments were weak. All you can say is that a noname King whose face has been hidden will play an important part at some point of the story. I mean, it's not like Oda has the habit to name its important Kings. Oh wait, we have Cobra, Neptune, Riku, Wapol, Elizabetto, Gancho, Stelly and so on. For Christ sake, we even know the name of that King:
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Thalassa_Lucas
Yet he would not name the King who would be related to Dragon and the start of his Revolution? This is hilarious.
You are not making any sense, and you are the one with garbage strained arguments.

@Monkey:

How will we ever tell the King of Goa from all the other Kings of Goa that Oda might introduce. Aside from literally half his head I mean.

http://mangasee.co/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=587&index=1&page=16

So you are betting everything on that one panel that no one have even paid attention beside a few people here who are interested with this hot topic. Why not.
You think this random guy will play an important part in Dragon's flashback, maybe ordered the murder of his wife or something else, why not. I think it's all bullshit and we won't ever see this guy again, for the simple reason Oda woud have named him if he was that important. But let's wait and see

@KageKageKing:

Because Kong was easily recognizable when he was first introduced, right?

He was named so yes?

@Monkey:

Why didn't Oda name all the people watching Caesar's demonstration, or the CP0 guy.
Oh right this leads to "Evelyne Bullshit#34" about familiar visual cues, which then leads to "Evelyne Bullshit#48" about "easily" familiar visual cues.

You are not getting it, the characters you take as examples have a full design. They are easily recognizable. Why would Oda not name a character whose design have been hidden? It makes absolutely no sense and there is no reason to it. It's just confusing for the reader if he plans to use him later in the story.

@Monkey:

So you deny the monarchy of the kingdom a social revolutionary is from is going to figure into his backstory. Interesting theory!

And who's to say that it would be the same king? Why would Oda not name this King so then the readers would be "oh yeah, that's him!" Also the World nobles may be involved as well, there is that too.

@Monkey:

So you think, even though it conflicts with the way Oda does most everything, that Dragon's flashback will focus not on the establishment of his motives and who he is and what drives him….but on his quest to become who he is now after being motivated.

Nope. As I said, I can see a flashback focusing on several steps of Dragon's life. And it's not like I disagree the flashback will also focus on Goa. It should focus on Goa's events. The thing I disagree is that the King we saw in Sabo's flashback won't be important.

@Monkey:

There's no friggin' probably lol.

I've said probably because there is always a possibility that Oda won't do that flashback on Goa (since we already got a flashback in this place and Oda making a flashback on the same place twice is actually not so likely), or that this part will just be a short part of the flashback while the rest will be about other events. While Dragon's life is connected to Goa there is also his relationship with Roger, his knowledge about the mysteries of the world and the Revolutionaries.

@King:

Never mind that Dragon at the time was just starting becoming famous (going by Vivi's own Reverie flashback). His potential flashback would not be far from ASL flashback timeline-wise.

Chances of a different king are very, very slim.

Of course Dragon will get a flashback, probably Goa will be involved. But no, the King that we saw during Sabo's flashback won't be important. Because as I said, (for the hundred times now), his name would have been given to us.

@Tamiel:

Roger wore different hats.

No one said that he has been wearing the same hat all his life?

@King:

"B-but there's no proof the king will be the same!!!"

Exactly, I see you have read my posts carefully.

@King:

Which goes against your point. Bowler hat guy having a bowler hat doesn't make him distinct.

It does, actually. Heck, you are even calling him "Bowler hat guy", which prove my point.

@King:

Funnily enough, half of those hats aren't even worn anymore.

If you want characters who have been wearing their hat for years it's not a problem: Mihawk, Capone, Shiliew, Laffitte, Lucci, Kaku, Roger, Vista…the list goes on obviously. So what's your point again?

@King:

Looks, like you're being a bit dense. Here, have a game to stimulate the brain:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/5/5d/SBS_Vol_57_10.png/revision/latest?cb=20110213075500

Can you identify the hats?!

If anything, it just shows how a character is easily recognizable with his hat, so thanks you for proving my point.

@King:

Funny you mention Perona, considering she changed hers.

Robin also doesn't wear a hat much anymore. And Ace didn't wear one in the flashback.

Headwear is actually quite volatile in the series, it appears.

That…doesn't prevent that character to wear the same hat, at all.

@King:

No one here agrees with your bullshit.

It's no problem if you guys don't agree with me. You believe whatever bullshit you want. I know I'm right, that's all. This guy is random and won't be important. That much is obvious.

@King:

Characters change hats: Brook, Chopper, Law, Bonney.

Robin, Luffy, Ace, Perona, Mihawk, Arlong and so on. They've been wearing their hat for years so I fail to see your point. That guy can still be wearing the same hat, there is no problem with that. And we don't even know if he is going to turn into an important character anyway? So this discussion is pretty pointless.

@BatrozX:

Why are you saying it isn't happening?

Are you ignoring all of my posts? I have explained very clearly why this guy isn't turning into an important character.

@King:

And the bowler hat guy is?

It's a hat after all. Anyone can take those off.

The flashback happened more than 10 years ago so yes, it is very likely that the King isn't wearing the same clothes while severals characters have been wearing the same hat for years in this series.

@King:

We can barely see the coat, and yet it's memorable?

I mean, it's not like the King hasn't been shown wearing clothes as well.

I'm sorry but the hat alone make it memorable for the reader. The King's clothers however are not memorable at all and he probably isn't wearing these clothes today

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@King:

Your logic can be easily used to discredit bowler hat guys as just a "random", as well as most brokers shown.

You're being extremely contradictory.

every brokers have a specific and memorable design. I don't know why you are even trying.

@BatrozX:

evelyne you're just grasping at straws at this point. There is a possibility the King of Goa could be a really important character in the future as the story progresses. The fact that he IS the King of Goa is enough to support this.

Welp, he isn't the king anymore so no. And we have no name and no face, it ain't happening. Why is that such a big deal for you guys? Did you love the guy or something?

@King:

Yeah, just like bowler hat guy.

Like, he's the only guy out there wearing a bowler hat.

a bowler hat and what it seem to be like a feather coat are very Oda's like, yeah, it's memorable for the reader.

@King:

"B-but he looks random!" What the hell is that supposed to mean?

It's supposed to mean that he is not recognizable for the readers. This is just basics, even more with an author like Oda who always draw wonky and memorable stuff on his characters.

@King:

http://mangasee.co/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=587&index=1&page=16
And here we have an (unusually-shaped) beard, a mustache and shoulder-length hair.

Not hard to identify as well.

This guy doesn't have anything specific and look way too random.
This is an example of character whose part of his face has been hidden and will turn important:
http://i.imgur.com/Bskiz5x.png

Because it is easily recognizable for the reader.

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@Kaido:

Since when did knowing one's face and name become a criteria for making them important? Obviously I don't want a Kaguya-like character that pops up out of absolutely nowhere, but the previous King of Goa is at least an established character that can be expanded on.

You know, it's not because red star members are rooting for the theory that you have to blindly follow them. I'm pretty sure they are trolling with this anyway although some of them were pretty serious about this until Stelly appeared as the new King.

@King:

Is the guy that speaks to Doula Mongo after the war not important? Because we don't have either his face or his name.

Oh, by the way, we actually see part of the king's face.

http://cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/0b/0b7fd744be6a04a08c1d566d9fbefc0e9aaba0ce0fd81a1eabae6faa.png
We have his shape, back of his head and we can clearly see his specific hat. It's more than enough for the reader to recognize him. Nothing to do with Goa's king.

@KageKageKing:

Just because you don't know his name, it doesn't mean he is not a character. By the time he was show, he was just as important as Kong before Marineford.

But my point is that a character without face and without name cannot turn into an important character. He is a character, but not an important one.

@KageKageKing:

We have this character King of Goa and this other character Fleet Admiral Kong. Those are proper character names, so Fleet Admiral Kong is an evidence that cannot be overruled by any other existing evidence, so you lose.

King of Goa and Fleet admiral are titles, those aren't proper character name. Kong is a name. What the hell is wrong with you?

@KageKageKing:

We know he was the king og Goa and we know he was a shitty asshole noble. That is pretty enough info. His situation is not so different than former Fleet Admiral Kong.

http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v58/c565.5/2.html

His name was given, so no, his situation isn't the same at all.

@KageKageKing:

Teir names weren't show.

You can't identify any of they outside of Kidd, Pekoms and Tamago can't you?

We have either their name or face , while we don't have his name and face for Goa's King, how hard is it for you to understand?

@KageKageKing:

Perhaps the same can be said to any Shichibukai outside of Mihawk and Jinbe

not at all

@KageKageKing:

and any Yonko outside of Shanks and Newgate.

Their silhouette were shown when Garp introduced the Yonko.

@KageKageKing:

And there is also those Brokers from Punk Hazard.

http://i.imgur.com/XxWzkiR.jpg
How is that in any way similar to Goa's king? All of them are easily recognisable.

@KageKageKing:

Why does the third point sounds impossible to you?

Because if he were going to turn into an important character, his name would have been given to us, during the flashback. We have no name and no face. It's simply because Oda hasn't planned anything with this guy. It's as simple as that really.

@Tamiel:

Right because we were introduced to her briefly before the reverie and we will never see them again at all.

• Sarie Nantokanette needs to be the daughter of the previous King of Goa
• The previous King of Goa needs to be the one who set the fire on Gray terminal
• He needs to turn into an "important" character

If you've worked on probabilities you would know that the odds of all this happening are very, very low.

@BatrozX:

Umm… or if we get confirmation of him being the father of Sarie Nantokanette and Stelly's father-in-law?

No, this flashback would happen before Sabo's one in the timeline. As for the present time, sure it could happen that we learn that Sarie Nantokanette is actually the daugther of the previous King of Goa who set the fire on Gray terminal 10 years ago, but the probability of this happening are close to 0%.

What's hilarious is that you guys are actually thinking a King whose name and face are unknown and hasn't been shown during ASL flashback, will turn out important either in another Goa flashback (so it will be absolutely impossible to know if this King was the same king during Sabo's flashback except if we look at his DNA), or in the present time and in this case as well it's impossible to know since we don't have…his name and face.

B-but, he will turn out important, for sure!

@Robby:

That he said he wanted to be pirate king in and of itself, ultimately isn't the thing Luffy said that impressed Shanks so much that he had to tell Rayleigh "He's just like Roger! He said the same thing Roger did!" It's not what he gambled on. Plenty of people, includng all the other supernovas, most of the warlords, and Don Krieg, have said "I want to be Pirate King!" That goal, the respect that comes with reaching that title, isn't THE thing by itself.

Let's not act like the D. letter from Luffy's name hasn't played a huge part in Shanks' choice.

You guys are overthinking it.

Luffy: "I wanna become the Pirate King!"

Ace is shocked because his father was the Pirate King, for Ace his father was evil because of what he heard about him and being the Pirate King probably meant something evil/bad for him at that time.
Sabo is laughing because he can't imagine his goofy friend being someone that important and ruling over the other pirates

annnnd that's it.

@Robby:

There was no reason for him to cut away simply to hide the phrase "I'm going to be king of the pirates!" It takes zero extra time to say it, and Luffy has said it so much and so often there was no reason to be coy or special about it.

It was absolutely something else.

This is Goa's King all over again. You guys are making something out of proportion based on nothing.

this thread: people trying to make Luffy a complex character while he is just a dumb and naive main shonen character.

@Bigivel:

Didn't you noticed? That was the first time Lufy said it! The first time of all the many, and the first time he got that motivation. It was the origin, and it was special, different from all the rest, and so its presentation was also different and so much more impactful, and just for the fact it wasn't shown, but omitted.

going with this. Although he already said it infront of Shanks and his crew in the first chapter. But it was more of an arrogant speech towards Shanks.

@Monkey:

As someone who was also against Jimbei as crew member back then, you and I were both fucking wrong.

@Monkey:

Evelyne Earlier This Year: HAHA, THE KING OF GOA WASN'T IMPORTANT RIGHT THIS MOMENT MAYBE, SO THE WHOLE GOA THING IS WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!

Evelyne Right Now: Well you see…Jimbei being wrong overall makes it still right just then actually because...

I was rooting for Jinbe joining the crew since 2010, so in this case, you were wrong. But you were stupid enough to think that Doflamingo won't be defeated in his own turf, so there is that too. And yeah, that Goa king turning important just because his face was hidden was pretty stupid as well.

@RomanceDawn:

You're basically bringing up the infamy argument like so many others before you. Zoro was once more famous than Luffy and people for a time feared him more than Luffy.

And I will use Robin as a counter example but not with Luffy, with Zoro once again. People are always so focused on the specific balance and placement of the crews bounties they forget that Robin had the 2nd highest bounty for a heck of a long time.

Zoro is not the captain, I'm sorry but this is a weak argument.

@RomanceDawn:

If Jinbe had a bigger bounty than Luffy for a time then so be it. I feel like thats one of the weakest arguments people could bring up.

keeping the highest bounty on Luffy, the captain, which has been the case since the start of the series and the case as well with every other crews is not a weak argument.

@RomanceDawn:

The main antagonist after Fishman Island was Doflamingo. Once we learned that I can assure that was on of the biggest reasons Jinbe had not joined yet. You can bet Oda didn't want both 2 War Lords teaming up with Luffy to take down 1.

Or that Jinbe was too strong to be present at Dressrosa. Once again an argument used during Fishman Island. People who said that Jinbe could not join at the time because he was too strong were right.

@RomanceDawn:

Still despite all that, once more, just about anytime someone claimed Jinbe would not join it was always a reasoning for why he would never ever join the crew.

That's because no one thought about a Jinbe joining after his own arc and it never happened before. It was Jinbe joining at the end of Fishman Island or never, because it made sense.

@RomanceDawn:

I want to say it was during Dressrosa when Jinbe found that Poneglyph I feel like the majority of people were on the same page.

Nope, it was when Jinbe's arguments about him not joining started to fall down. During Fishman Island arc, people who said that Jinbe could not join because of his bounty were right. Jinbe did not join because his bounty would have shadowed Luffy's bounty, the captain. And do not use Robin's bounty as counter example since Luffy's bounty exceeded Robin's bounty from the moment she joined. There is a reason why Luffy is the captain and there is a reason why he has the highest bounty of the crew. Jinbe's bounty being equal to Luffy would have felt off, if he joined at the end of Fishman Island arc.
This is no coincidence if Jinbe didn't join when his bounty was equal to Luffy and this is no coincidence either if Jibe is going to join when Luffy's bounty is currently at 500M, exceeding Jinbe's bounty.

This is why I say most of people were right in the end with Jinbe's case.

@RomanceDawn:

but the arguments were the same from day 0.

It was honestly not that hard. Eveyone knew a fishman would join at some point, it was an obligatory step for the crew. With the whole "Humans are racist towards Fishmen, poor Fishmen they've got a sad and hard past", it was wayyy too obvious that a fishman would join. Then it was just about which Fishman would join and since Jinbe was the one with the most screentime and friendly with Luffy since Impel Down, it's no surprise.

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@RomanceDawn:

And honestly arguing for Jinbe then and arguing for Jinbe after Fishman Island wasn't so different.

It is different. At that time (after the timeskip), someone who said that Jinbe couldn't join the crew because he has his own crew was right. Now, if Jinbe doesn't have his crew anymore, it changes everything. You can't just say that arguing for Jinbe during Fishman Island and arguing for Jinbe after Fishman Island isn't different.

@GetsugaZoro:

• No one said he would join right away.

Why the lies? No one actually thought that Jinbe could join after Fishman Island before Jinbe refusing Luffy's request. The discussion have always been about Jinbe joining the crew at the end of the arc, because that seemed painfully obvious that the crew would recruit a fishman and that Jinbe would join during Fishman Island, period. And fact is, every reason going against Jinbe at the time were valid. Now, the crew got stronger, their bounties raised, they sailed the New World and are heading towards their first battle against a Yonko, and finally Jinbe left his crew. Every reason going against Jinbe aren't valid anymore.

@ShimpanzeeThat:

Oda really did draw a lot of stuff (color pages, cards, schetches) for this movie while doing his weekly bi-monthly serial.

Fixed for ya
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