Posts made by Darth

Though I'm starting to have a hard time discerning what isn't antagonizing in your books…

@RamistaR:

Is there even one panel where Oda made clear that Fuji isn't Mingo level ?

What do you mean by clear?

@RobZilla:

Darth, stop blatantly antagonizing people.

…? Is that what it would be considered as?

Fine, won't happen again.

I still don't like people trying to push their subjective beliefs are objective truths on subjects that actually have been properly defined already.

@RobZilla:

…and then Fuji pretty much shrugged it off.

Actually, anybody could be pushed back by a sudden strike they were not expecting.

Not like he was serious, or it actually did any damage to him. He just casually blocked it. Like he always does. He is very good at it.

@joekido:

P.S. I'm a idiot too. Anyway why do people think Oda is lacking quality here?

Comparisons to his earlier work. And some things are just objectively worse then they used to be. And some were always bad, but not as noticeable.

High expectations, because he is actually talented and used to use said talent properly.

Little things.

@FolhaS:

I have no knowledge on how the ports are made, so this could be a stupid question but if you port the PS4 the minimum requirements will be higher, right?
Maybe they're porting the PS3 version so that more people can buy the game.

The game isn't high tech enough to justify that, actually.

They probably didn't do proper research of PC market. Not to mention that people hate getting inferior versions of the games on PC; it actually makes them much more pirated as a result. Because people don't want to support company that threats them like second category citizens. Shocking, I know.

@RomanceDawn:

That is certainly enough for me. It really should be considering we don't need to see all that Burgess is capable of before the epic final show down. He is an end game villain and our imagination should be enough at the moment. Even when he was revealed to be the masked combatant I knew we wouldn't get much of a display from him. It's very much like Doflamingo during the War. Yeah he did some cool things and we were able to figure out that he was no push over but that wasn't the time to truly display his biggest capabilities.

Burgess will do a few more cool things before this arc is all said and done but we won't see a fraction of his best until the very very end.

We didn't see his mediocre thus far, if that's the case.

Question A) So why can't they succede on screen, again? If anything, it serves as an anti-hype. I don't particulary see how seeing how Burgess fails time and time again causes anybody's imagination to go "This guy is awesome villain, can't wait for the final arc when he will finally be awesome.", to be honest.

B) Your Doflamingo example is unsubstantial. Because yes, indeed, we have seen Doflamingo do some cool things. It was a great setup, even if it didn't quite get the pay-off just yet. HOWEVER, that is not the case with Burgess. Doffy defeated several foes, clashed evenly with several high profile people, and did stuff. Burgess mostly just stands there and takes a beating or is entirely ineffective at offense. We have seen him: Fail to attack Ace, get curbstomp by Magellan, get crushed by Sengoku and NOT get instantly defeated by Sabo. The champion of Blackbeard Pirates.

And my question is, if he is supposed to only get hype from things he didn't do on screen, and he isn't suppose to show his stuff up until the very last final arc, why include him? Pointless fanservice while ruining his credibility further?

@Kirk:

It also had incompetent vice admirals :ninja:

And what else is new?

Honestly, at this point I will be more surprised if one of them actually does something for a change.

Ironicaly, Maynard has the best track record of VAs that are not up there with Admirals. He actually managed to save some people. He is doing better then the supposed moral rulers of this country.

@The:

Skypeia ranks lower than "post Enies Lobby"

post Enies Lobby is considered an arc

Dressrosa is ranked third
>one piece is more than fights but our favorite arc is entirely made of fights

why neji why

Hey, let's be honest here, as far a choreography and art are concerned, Enies Lobby was pretty awesome. It dragged a bit, but it was well made.

And the stakes were high andpersonal, something a lot of people related to.

It is by no means perfect arc (none of them are), but it enjoyable. And different, something many people crave when it comes to One Piece.

I actually did, years ago, when I was first watching anime.

Only read it later, when I decided to go through manga from the beginning till end.

Honestly, I didn't feel like I've lost anything of worth.

@RobZilla:

Well we have plenty of off-panel feats to draw from, most prominent among them being that they conquered enough of The New World to become a Yonko class crew in only 2 years, pretty damn impressive.

Yes, but because their actual on screen feats are mostly being pathethic, it strikes me less as "Man, they are so strong and impressive" and more as "Man, Oda sure went all out with plot shield for those guys".

The discrepancy is large enough for me to find it annoying, that's all. I find their off-panel feats difficult to believe as anything else than plot forcing it. And they seem forced, if only because I cannot help but ask how did they did it, since they are so easily outwitted and/or overpowered.

@RobZilla:

We saw Burgess fighting on even terms with Sabo in the arena as well, losing only by a cunning maneuver on Sabo's part.

You and I interpret that scene very differently.

We saw them trade one blow, which does not in any way suggest that the entire fight was even.

We saw that while they both ended up relatively unharmed, Sabo destroyed Burgess equipment. That does not suggest equal in my mind.

And finaly, and I will never let it go, Burgess, the helmsman of Blackbeard pirates who sailed through Grand Line with it's insane weather on a bloody raft, got defeated by uneasy ground. Come on. I know Oda puts little emphasis on actual sailing in the series, but superhuman warrior and incredibly experienced sailor got beaten by just that?

I can't even call it cunning. It's something literaly anybody can do: Just destroy the ground beneath Burgess feet and you have him at your mercy? And this guy clashed with powers of New World and came up on top? I don't buy it, frankly.

Blackbeard pirates were not hyped as the group that are moderatly succesful, you know?

@RobZilla:

The same Sabo that clashed with Fuji and just about ripped Bastille's head off.

Fuji wasn't serious and defeating Vice Admiral would have been more impressive if the rank had actually any merits behind it.

I need some new VAs. Not the kind Bastille is, the kind Borsalino, and Kuzan, and Sakazuki were back in the day. Monsters, though not yet Admirals.

Look, all I'm saying is that Burgess (Or Blackbeard Pirates in general), need some feats to match their reputation.

@Ruin:

japan is still largely uninterested in PC gaming
so it's not surprising that they'd take the way that is _seemingly_​ easier or cheaper to do.

But that's the thing: It isn't. Your average programmer can tell you that; it is a matter of structural differences between Ps3 and PCs. Differences that do not exist in Ps4.

They are literaly paying more money to port inferior product. This is bloody stupid by all accounts.

@Icecrown:

y is pretty much certain, especially since this line : DirectX: Version 9.0c

sadly no mod will be able to fix this, at best we will get to play around with sweetfx…

Well, those are minimal specs. It is entirely possible this game does not require anything more even in it's Ps4 version; it is not exactly top edge when it comes to graphics.

Though who knows, maybe they will release HD texture pack.

My rig is more powerful then two Ps4s put together, easily. Playing inferior version of the game is downright stupid; especially when the market for enthusiast pcs is in rise.

@Galaxy:

Why are you replying after saying you wouldn't reply anymore?

Make up your mind.

Sorry, you managed to touch a nerve. Again.

Gonna go back to my studies.

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Though I quite curious how Smoker fits into your little theory.

@Galaxy:

The different antagonists and major change of cast members is what makes these a different arc.

This is the definition of an over-arching saga.

BULLSHIT!

Ekhm. Sorry, I always have one of those when someone tries to push their arbitrary, subjective beliefs as actual truths.

@sifat:

How long has this arc been going on?

80 chapters.

Anyways, the discussion is absolutly pointless. I will decline participating further, thank you.

@Galaxy:

That's just pure speculation.

So is yours. I faill to see how one is better then the other.

Ah, right, my isn't firmly rooted in wishful thinking, forgot.

@Galaxy:

Oda already has an overload of characters in the arc, and since these were likely going to be throwaway characters, that's why he didn't name them.

Sure, that's why named and gave unique designs to several characters in block D that didn't appear since.

@Galaxy:

Luffy is definitely not stronger than Burgess, a top commander of the final antagonist of the series. Not at this point in the series at least.

So you are arguing that Burgess is the strongest after Blackbeard then?

@Galaxy:

"Normal participants", as in the same as the named characters in Blocks B-D are not fodder just because a really strong opponent defeated them.

Consider the amount of effort Burgess put in it, pretty sure they are fodder.

None of the others were defeated as effortlessly.

@Galaxy:

Are we forgetting that multiple characters from Blocks B, C, and D are now part of Luffy's alliance to take down Doflamingo and Kaido?

You are being non-sensical again; the only reason those characters are part of the alliance with Luffy is because Oda actually created them. There is absolutly no reason he couldn't do it for block A. None. And if you going to argue time constraints: A) Oda wasted time on plenty of things this arc that could be considered less important than showing off major antagonist B) He could have easily cut down the other three blocks for the purpoes of the block A.

@Galaxy:

I'm quite content with what we know so far. I don't need to see Burgess in some all out fight to know what he's capable of.

Indeed, you don't need to see him in any fight at all to know what he's capable of.

By which I mean: You are making stuff up to fit your own beliefs.

@Galaxy:

He wouldn't be in the position he's in if he had no feats. You're just ignoring them because they're not on a page.

For something to be ignored, it would have to exist first.

@Galaxy:

And why is this? Why would just one block have nobody of worth

I dunno. Scheduling issues? Evidently is didn't have anybody worth mention or acknowledgement in any way.

@Galaxy:

Uh yes, he's a crewmember of one of the Yonko. He's obviously no pushover and the normal participants in the blocks obviously wouldn't be able to stand against him.

Luffy ain't pushover either, and I seem to recall he didn't end his block instantenously.

Unless you are arguing Burgess is stronger then Luffy?

And those "normal" participants you mention are, by New World standarts, fodder.

@Galaxy:

What do you gain from actually seeing these characters in action and naming them? Additions to an arc that is already 2 years old for the sake of showing you what's already obvious?

What do you gain from seeing characters from B and D in action and naming them?

And that's the problem: The mere fact that Burgess is member of Blackbeard Pirates is enough to make it obvious for you. Despite the fact that Burgess has no feats to speak off.

@TLC:

I don't know if we're reading the same series but One Piece fits the hero journey to a T.

If we are talking about Joseph Campbell's monomyth, then yes, it almost does. However, it still has nothing to do with what you said.

@Galaxy:

The difference being that Spandam's goons weren't defeated on Water 7, and instead ran away to Enies Lobby.

This means nothing, as far a traditional story construction is concerned. Which you have conveniently ignoring, all this time.

@Galaxy:

Getting a new ship carried over until the very end. The end of Enies Lobby is burning the ship, and when they return to Water 7, they get the Sunny.

I wonder how can Enies Lobby have an end if it is integral part of one storyline.

Anyways, the plot was absent for practicaly entire Enies Lobby and only showed up in the last chapter. Again, the same could be said for Doflamingo.

@Galaxy:

And the Franky conflict was literally resolved in the matter of a few chapters. That plot point was resolved on Water 7 and then those characters became allies and helped the Straw Hats rescue Franky/Robin. These characters get their conclusion back on Water 7.

So? It does not make it less unique and not carrying over. You wanted plot points that didn't carry over from Water 7, WHAT OTHER PLOTS COULD THEY BE IF NOT RESOLVED!?

I swear to god, talking to you is one of the most frustrating things ever.

@Galaxy:

Yet another element that was resolved at the end of Enies Lobby.

Really? I recall it being a thing during Water 7.

@TLC:

I don't know what stories you read but in the heroic journey, the hero loses in the first act, recovers and wins in the climax.

Greek classics.

Not to mention that what you described is not hero's journey at all.

@Galaxy:

He played the same role as Crocodile did during Little Garden and Whiskey Peak. A figure in the shadows giving orders to his subordinates.

By the time he actually decided to go to Punk Hazard, the arc was over and in the transitional phase.

So you mean like CP9 and Spandam?

@Galaxy:

Which ones don't carry over to Enies Lobby?

Getting new ship. Conflict between Franky and Straw Hats. For example.

Both of those are left in the void.

I could also, technicaly, count Usopp's conflict with Luffy and him leaving the crew, since that got dropped also in favor of Sogeking.

@TLC:

Lucci and co was the end of the first act, the point where the heroes are beaten and suffer their lowest moment until they make their recovery and resolve to beat their opponents. Notice how in your "climax", the heroes LOSE.

So? Climax is the point of the highest tension or drama of a narrative. Actually heroes losing is quite fitting for it.

@Galaxy:

No?

Again, you can separate those into sagas and arcs with their own unique goals and antagonists. What you're describing is the overall story of the series.

Doflamingo was an antagonist in Punk Hazard.

And there were unique goals in Water 7 unrelated to Enies Lobby.

@Galaxy:

There is no reason not to believe that Block A had people of the same caliber as Blocks B-D.

Every little detail doesn't need to be seen on panel. What matters is that Burgess was able to take care of people of that caliber in the time frame that he did.

There is no reason to believe that Block A had the people of the same caliber as Blocks B-D.

Things that would point to it being opposite: Lack of challenge when Burgess took part in it. Lack of named characters showing up at a later date.

And I really need to track when SHOW, DON'T TELL storytelling technique became loathed in Arlong Park.

@TLC:

You could also argue that Water 7, Sea Train and Enies Lobby are the first second and third act of one big arc.

You could also argue that One Piece has three arcs in total (East Blue, Grand Line, New World) and there rest are just acts.

Please.

@Cyan:

Doesn't count; Block A was obviously made up of fodder that would be weaklings in East Blue.

Well, yes. They are fodder in terms of story: Nameless Characters without unique designs.

There is literaly nothing impressive about handling bunch of nobodies in the story where power levels are completely sidelined for the purpoeses of plot.

Blame Oda's approach to storytelling.

@Galaxy:

No, it doesn't. Is the Flying Fish Riders hideout its own arc?

It could, since it fits the exact defition you listed below.

@Galaxy:

Punk Hazard has a different antagonist, the characters are different (lacks the dwarves and the entire Dressrosa cast), and it had an actual transition between the arcs. This is what a saga is.

Main antagonist is still Doffy, though by proxy, similary to Spandam, when you think about it. There was transition in between Enies Lobby and Water 7 (Sea Train). Characters, according to your defition, are also different, since Water 7 lacks half of CP9, Spanda, arguably arc main antagonist, and every marine involved in Buster Call.

I know you like being contrarian every time I post anything, but try a bit harder.

@RamistaR:

I'm still a noob as a manga reader. But I'm pretty sure arc doesn't mean island.

One is a setup arc for the other. And again, if we go by this defition, we would need to include Punk Hazard into Dressrosa, thus making it the longest arc regardless.

@Rotten:

There's a reason for that I believe. The events that are taking place right now will kick off a new phase as far as the SH and the NW. What happens after the arc is anyone's guess but all of a sudden they've taken out Joker whos connected to all the higher-tier pirates out there in some how and you also have the fact that they're fucking with Kaidou(If they stick with Law's plan they're definitely going for him. Lets not forget the main reason behind the Law/Luffy alliance. Doflamingo was only phase 1) and Big Mom. The Strawhats will be major players after this arc.

It's what, the third time we are starting new era, new phase, new something?

At this point I'm inclined to believe that Oda's habits are set up in stone so hard that no change will actually take place.

We will get token "Things are changing! Be excited!" summary that will setup things that won't happen for at least next half of decade, and we go back to business as usual.

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@Galaxy:

They have the exact same antagonists and the exact same "end goal".

They're a different arc by location only.

So that does make them a different arc. Unless you want to add Punk Hazard to the total running time of Dressrosa?

@Kiera:

The Requirements was posted yesterday but thanks for the Video. So yeah look like a Ps3 Port.

It almost certainly is. If you look it up, Dynasty Warriors 8 had near identical system requirements, and that was Ps3 port.

And my only question is… why? Hell, pc porting from Ps4 is actually EASIER to do than Ps3 ports!

Idiots... thank gods for mods. That should solve the problems quite nicely...

The first flaw in that plan is that Pica won't die.

The second is that it would require Burgess to succede at something.

:ninja:

So I'll be waiting for Steam version. And looking forward to seeing how silly japanese people will screw up pc port this time.

Then again, it is a musou game, there isn't much to screw up with.

Of course, unless you will port the PS3 version. AGAIN.

@Vegard:

Remember, whereas with manga and novels and stuff you generally need to be good enough that the publishers actually think your story would be profitable… But fanfiction anyone can do. And most people who do make them are typically rather young, have limited writing experience, and are probably just writing as a form of wish-fulfillment. I mean, I read fanfiction myself, (I have a Youtube-channel dedicated to it) but I recognise that most of it is crap and tend to just read the ones that are hilariously bad. Or, more often than not, jokes. Like this little bit of One Piece/Bleach fanfiction that manages to be so perfectly offensive towards OP-fans that I can't possibly imagine it could ever be anything but a deliberate attempt at trolling.

Sturgeon's law is at work here, like with any medium. It's just that it's much harder finding that worthwile ten percent when it comes to fanfiction.

You know, I wonder how much is the arc actually better in one read, and how much of it is not quality, but peer pressure and rationalisation.

I expect a lot.

See, I don't consider any arc of One Piece flawless. At the same time, however, most of the time positives outweight the negatives for me.

That is not the case here. And I sincerely doubt reading it in one go will change that.

You know what's green and would make for great Admiral Level Zoan?

Cthulhu.

He is even connected to oceans. Lovely, isn't it?

There will be a lot of talk and set up and nothing that will have any effect within next two years at the very least. Possibly five, if we are not in luck.

It's the goverment; expecting them to do anything pro-active in this series is a fools hope.

@garonne:

i'm sure you know… with all the people arguing with you over the last 50+ chapters, put it together and poof magic (deductive reasoning).

Actually, people rarely speak in detail why the scenes are actually good. They seem content simply trying to dismiss my critisisms.

@garonne:

What you are being is arrogant, thinking your way of viewing things are better/superior.

Of course it is, people are, in the end, subjective. You also think your way of viewing is superior, otherwise you would have simply acknowledge that we have different opinions, not create ad hominem by assigning a random flaw of the week to me.

That's the way people are. Subjective outweights the objective.

@uniaka:

We know all about Doflamingo. Unlike Crocodile who still had some mystery, like when we found about his past with Whitebeard, Ivankov. With DD we saw him since he was a kid, know his past, family, motives. He's much better developed then Crocodile was.

Doflamingo is worse then Crocodile.

Actually the part about Whitebeard was not set up at all.

And it's not like Luffy cares. Not after Croc. He will actually do whatever he wants and still get away completly clean.

@garonne:

so if you know this, why ask?

C

Curiosity.

I'm well aware people like different things, and that the opinions are subjective. It's a truism.

What I'm interested with is why. Why would you consider this arc above all others or indeed of great quality at all.

@bouncyhippo:

I think Fujitora is weaker than the other admirals. He couldn''t get past sabo and I'm going to assume sabo is stronger than Luffy. So Doflamingo was confident enough to take out Fujitora. Luffy must be equal or higher than Fujitora if he is to be on the same level as Doflamingo.

Your assumption is wrong, since Fuji did not try seriously to get past Sabo. It was not his objective at the time. At least that much is clear.

@RobZilla:

Well it'll certainly read better when it's not on a week to week basis.

It might improve a pace of it, yes, but the overall problems that I myself face? The lack of tension, characterisation problems, and themes that frankly are internaly inconsistent? I can't see how it could possibly improve by reading it as a whole.

Then again, subjectivity of art and all that.

You know, I could never get people saying this the best arc, or that's overall amazing and incredibly good. I can concede that parts of it are, but the whole arc…?

@kouch_lee:

Well, the rules of power scaling tell us Kaku is way out of his league in the current scale of things. It has nothing to do with how impressive he looked against pre-ts Zoro, it's just. . .shonen rules dictate so.

It's like when Hody destroyed one of the palace walls with just his grip and Usopp said he was on a completely different level than Arlong, even though Arlong during his arc was impressive, yet Hody during his arc was schooled by Zoro underwater and used as a punching bag by Luffy even after turning super saiyan.

Blame it on the shonen.

You know what's the problem with that?

Oda doesn't care.

At all.

He basicaly adjusts the power levels to fit his story as he sees fit. I'm not the one to judge whatever that improves them or not. But the undeniable fact is that he does.

@Jazo:

On a scale from fodder marine to Kaido, weak would be Kaku at this point.

You know, I would say I find Kaku to be more impressive than anyone out of Doffy's crew.

What would be considered weak on that scale?

@Sarrik:

The only way I know of is with the app Tapatalk, when you view someone's profile it shows how many posts the user has made.

You have 4643

So with 543 days on those forums, I average 8.5 posts a day. Not bad.

Shame I don't have any way to track it, I could have made something special for celebratory 5000… :happy:

I wonder… is there a way to check how many posts did I wrote?

I think their relative strength in comparison to the opponents is the problem. While every time before main leader was leagues above his henchman, with the exception of maybe Skypiea, they were still a considerable threat to their opponents. I cannot say the same about Doffy's crew. And most of them were fighting tertiary characters instead of Straw Hats. Could you imagine what kind of slaugter it would have been with Sanji actually being there?