So question: Is Aokiji going to deep freeze the Tsunami or is he too lazy for that?

Usopp getting the Life Return Slim Fast treatment?

@ctarlong910:

you obviously didn't read the page…
They already said that... in the chapter...

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Guess that's what I get from looking too much at pictures and not enough at words :&

@LightningAce:

Dadan is still alive.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-440/page004.html

The mayor of Fuschia Town is called Woop Slap, not Dadan.

Some observations (sorry if a few have been discussed already, didn't read the whole thread):

• The Moby Dick displays a soapy shine after it emerges like Nami's and Sanji's bodies when affected by Kalifa's devil fruit power. My guess is that their ship is coated for underwater travel.
• Jozu is conspicuously absent.
• Isn't this the first time we actually see a dialogue involving Gold Roger?
• What was up with Rouge's face being blacked out all the time just to be revealed in the last panel we see her?
• Again, uselessly obscuring a new characters face (Dadan).
• Mini-flashback might be a precursor to Ace/Luffy Flashback arc.
• Fat Usopp reminded me of Kumadori eating out the Enies Lobby kitchen fridge. I get the feeling Usopp might learn Life Return.

The Chapter was hilarious.
So who is taking bets on the mask guy? I call Don Krieg but maybe it's someone we actually have never seen before.

His arms are ALWAYS melted when he spews wax from his body.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/121/11/

@Fire Fist:

Yes, it did:

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/126/03/

He was in his wax armor before and his arms are almost always melted when he does his wax stuff. His torso or head didn't melt in that panel either.

@Wagomu:

Electricity: Energy
Fire: Energy
Ice: Solid
Sand: Solid
Smoke: Gas(still has the potential to easily become solid)

Plus, they don't need to move their bodies is the point. They can control their element without even moving anything but the element.

And besides, in the blue book(only one I have), Oda says Luffy's body gains the properties of Rubber only.

OK, if we are going after terminology, then replace "solid" and "non-solid" in the post you are quoting with 2not dissolving easily" and "dissolving easily". We get the same point.

And if your body is the element you are moving, you are moving your body. And I already went over that the difference between gaining the properties of rubber and actually being made of rubber is practically non-existent, because there is nothing but rubber that has the absolute same properties as rubber.

@Wagomu:

To further back up the point that Luffy can't make rubber, Oda has stated that Luffy's body has limits(he measures them in gomus and such). Logias can produce as much as they want, whenever they want. Also, Luffy can't 'control' his body like Logias can. In order to use the Rubber effects, himself, he needs to do something to initiate it, ie. launch a limb in a direction, inhale vast amounts of air, etc… A Logia can turn their limbs into their element and control them whenever they want, without needing to do a specific physical action to initiate it.

Ok, a final time
Solid: Rubber
Non-Solid: Electricity, Fire, Ice, Sand, Smoke…
See the difference?

Also, I think moving the smoke/electricity/sand/whathaveyou of your own body as a Logia user would be counted as a physical action as they move a part of their body.

@Impel:

Enel created lightning bolts from nowhere, not just from his body, and not all Paramecia types "create" things. Buggy, Alvida, Absalom, none of them "made" things, they just changed their bodies.

@Gorlom:

Mr.3 could on the other hand not become wax., same with calipha she could not become her bubbles.

becomeing AND creating is the mark of a logia.

(I agree with you that Crocodile coudn't controll any other sand then the one that came from his own body though)

chaos: could you source where it says that Logias are based on elements (the kind that includes solid elements)

I've been trying to dig up that SBS, but I've checked like 15 volumes so far but it hasn't turned up yet

I can't think of a single proven lightning bolt in the Skypia saga that did not come out of Enel's body or from a black cloud. It ouf nowhere, certainly not.

Also I meant creation to be a trait of Paramecia that you have to have eaten a Paramecia Devil Fruit to have a power that let's you create something that doesn't belong to your body, not that every Paramecia gives you the ability to create something.

@Lobster:

Paramicia are always active. Logias are not (like when Ace and Smoker got hit from behind by Luffy in that Arabasta Diner)

Point taken, although you could think of it as a slip up in a scene that is of comedic nature.

I think the main point in my argument is that Logias change your body into a different substance, which is true for Luffy but not true for any other Paramecia user.

@hurrricane:

It is Paramecia, because Luffy can´t produce any rubber… .
We´ve seen Crocodile producing Sand, Smoker producing Smoke, Ace producing Fire, Enel producing Lightning, Blackbeard producing Darkness, Aokiji producing Ice but no Luffy producing rubber. Moreover Luffy can´t turn the ability of.

We have not seen them produce those materials in the way let's say Mr. 3 produces wax. What we have seen is them dissolving their bodies into those materials and projecting (as in physically throwing) them from their body somewhere else. In addition, all of them are non-solid "materials" while Luffy would be the first solid of the bunch if we would count him toward Logia.