Have to side with Zik on this one. Just because some people who have no knowledge of what happened under the cloth state that it seems whitebeard was untouched doesn't make it so.
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RE: General Blackbeard Thread
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well either way its speculation.
Sure he couldve come up with it, sure one of his crewmembers couldve.
Either way, I dont know, and you dont know.I think Blackbeard came up with the whole scheme, but you can believe what you want. But the whole Lafitte being the mastermind just doesnt sit well with me.
This is why Karmine is frustrating to argue with, he 'disproves' your posts with his baseless speculations and claims absolute victory. I'm just going to ignore him from now on.
I just don't see why BB would need to extract the fruit with the yami yami no mi from WB's body if it was in fact completely whole in his body. He could've used his hand and dug around.
Well typically you chew, swallow, and digest the fruit. But an explanation as to how blackbeard is the only one who could do it could be….. Sticks hand into WB's body, focuses gravity on just the fruit's particles(This might not be possible, but his level of control over the gravity is unknown so meh!) particles gathered, fruit-like mass produced, NOMNOMNOMNOMNOM. Explanation for blanket = Possibly allow BB to shut out the outside world so he is able to be completely focused and not distracted by anything(it might take a lot of concentration to be so precise with the yami yami's power)
Marco's comment on BB's weird body is strange though, oh well. We'll just have to wait and see.
At this point I'm not really thinking Cerberus is likely at all, but it's still a possibility.
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RE: General Blackbeard Thread
First thing first, Oda has shown us 3 headed monster… Luffy beat the crap out of it.
Irrelevant, I don't understand what you are getting at here.
They only think of him as capable as he has shown himself to be, not that he has most likely a lot of more power and is gonna kill us all!
You're missing my point, fear of unknown = how did BB do something that was believed to be impossible? I'm going to ignore any of your rebuttals to this point since it's not debatable in the slightest.
Actually…... Blackbeard plan wasn't with all of these ideas that it ended with when he left Whitebeard's crew.
Again, what are you basing this off of? There is nothing that reveals any depth to Blackbeard's plans. You cannot make points based on assumed knowledge. Arguing doesn't work that way. Nice try though.
Oh this one is simple… Blackbeard didn't have his crew when he was plotting on Whitebeard's ship. So yea how can he have such a grand plan how he is using each of his crew member when he DOES NOT HAVE A CREW! Think a bit before you post.
Prove that Blackbeard hadn't already known who would be on his crew. You can't. Moot point.
Killing the strongest man alive with all of his crew and it just happens that the strongest man alive is heavily wounded and half dead and yet has more than enough power to stomp on Blackbeard.
Half dead? Blackbeard ended the era of Whitebeard, that's all there is to it. It's a huge deal.
He only gain infamy of that cause the fruit's power can be used to destroy the world.
Only? Wrong.
I can clearly see no efforts in this replly, don't need to say it yourself that you make no efforts when you post here.
It's quite apparent that I make far more effort than you in my posts here.
Thanks for admitting it I guess, it is a step.
You're the one trolling here, not me.
Exactly what chap or anywhere in the manga does any character imply that BB used the yami yami fruit to get the quake fruit?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/577/05/ Shiryuu's line in this page hints at it, but it's not for certain.
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A chimera is one creature with characteristic from 3 animals, it's not an assumption. Following your logic, the same could be applied to dogs, reindeers, lions, wolfs etc. as well.
Bold aren't compromised of 3 different animals. If Oda(It's his story, his creative freedom applies.) made it so that the Zoan was able to ignore all other aspects of the Chimera and only transform into a lion(kinda like how Marco remained human aside from Talons), then that is how it is. I am talking hypothetically, you are talking in absolutes. Since you are dealing with absolutes, you cannot deny my hypothetical theory with an assumption.
I responded to your statement that Blackbeard showed what he was capable of but not how he was capable of it.
Yeah but your response was strange, did you read what I was responding to?
Blackbeard's plan was to get into Impel Down and free the L6 prisoners, and so his reason for becoming a Shichibukai was to ease the way and, I guess, instigate a conflict between Whitebeard and the Marines (but Fate provided him with an excellent chance to do that without any effort from him).
I'm just sayin' he could do it another way without having his plans rely on Luffy beating Crocodile.
I think he means, that he would essentially be able to master the Chimera form great enough that he could essentially only be one of the three animals at once, which kind of makes it not a chimera anymore, .
I still say Cerberus if anything, and if he doesnt already have it, i think he'll get it in the future sometime.
This. Oda is allowed to do what he wants with his Chimera and I would not have an issue with it, nor can I see any acceptable reason why it would not make sense.
-But yeah, I still think it's Cerberus.
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A Chimera is one creature with characteristics of 3 different creatures, but it is still one creature no matter how you slice it.
Sorry, but that's an assumption. You don't know how a chimera fruit in oda's universe would work.
Blackbeard hid under Whitebeard's banner for 20 years for a purpose, he was not strong enough to achieve his dream (Pirate King) and he wanted to boost his fighting strength with the Darkness and Quake fruits (i.e. if he was strong enough to defeat an Yonkou (Shanks) before he gained his fruits than the long-term plan was quite pointless).
That being said, Whitebeard, Jimbei and Shanks all agreed that Blackbeard was an unknown quantity, they did not know all he was capable of.what? Reread what I was saying that in response to.
It is likely that if Luffy hadn't happen to open a Shichibukai spot for Blackbeard at the right time, Blackbeard would have done it himself by killing Crocodile (who rely heavily on his logia fruit and has poor physical prowess; perfect match for Darkness Blackbeard). Blackbeard stated, after all, that his plan was to become a Shichibukai in order to get into Impel Down.
Kill shichibukai, become shichibukai. What? Also, unless I'm mistaken he said his reasoning for becoming a shichibukai was to get into impel down, not plan.
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As I said, a the lion, snake and goat combined together make a whole new being called chimera. So it's just a Chimera moveset. If a chimera would be a being that transforms from lion into snake and goat and vice versa then it would have three different move sets. But since it is just one hybrid being it chould also have one move set (consisting of the different features of lion, goat and snake).
So to make it short, movets: Yami Fruit + Gura Fruit + Chimera Fruit.
That's a possibility, but would you agree that it's also a possibility that he would be able to have a significant freedom of control of the fruit? If not, can you state why?
There has been nothing in this manga up until now that would give understanding of how a mythical zoan that is a hybrid of 3 different animals works, nor is there a logical reason why it wouldn't work. So until it's canon, it's an unknown.
Also, would you agree that it would be more interesting to you as a reader if it weren't limited to one form? Since there is nothing that will prevent it from making sense , why not?
So basically I make this long post and you just go like that cause you can't give an answer back to it ?
If you reread the thread, you'll see that this is what you have been doing to me for all of my posts(which amount to numerous times more "long" in total than your posts). The difference is that I could, and will disprove everything you wrote in that "long post" against me.
First thing first…
Oda : Remember when I showed ya 3 headed monster and yer were all like "AWESOME"… I am doing it again and it is Blackbeard…...
People : What ya meant with "again" ?
Oda : BRB..... (never came back)Bolded text, I didn't want to believe someone could be so clueless so I assumed you were trolling. Guess that was a mistake.
Baseless….. oh yea remember the unknown how fearful it is..... what if Gomu Gomu is actually LOGIA he just been hiding it to increase his the FEAR OF HIM! Woah people feared him ten times more cause he was hiding he was logia.... such a fear some guy. Did ya know why Zoro was so much feared in East Blue ? Cause he didn't show his enemies he was actually stronger than Mihawk... he was just hiding it. If he had not nobody would fear him nearly as much or he gained fame at all.... whew thank god Zoro hid it else Luffy wouldn't ever had heard of him from Coby.
Blackbeard showed what he was capable of to the world, but did not show how he was capable of it. Hypothetical-Zoro hiding the fact that he is stronger than Mihawk wouldn't make people fear him at all, since they would not know that he is capable of beating the strongest swordsman in the world making your "comparison" incapable of being compared to my claim. Apples and Oranges.
Blackbeard is rash and careless… even if he does plan things for long time.
His plan wasn't complicated...
Hide under Whitebeard to find Yami Yami fruit, try to kill Whitebeard without dying himself. But he had to gather a crew first else Whitebeard's crew would easily overpower him. Then he heard about Crocodile getting beaten and we do not even know if he planned the rest. Is it always Luffy who plans anyhow...Since you know that Blackbeard's plans are fully revealed, would you mind telling me what he is going to do for the entire story? Oh wait, since you don't actually know whether his plans are fully revealed that wouldn't be possible.
Do you know for certain that Blackbeard didn't have a way to get into impel down for his future crewmates before Luffy opened a shichibukai spot? No you do not. Luffy broke into impel down successfully, there's nothing in the story that makes it impossible for Blackbeard to do the same thing with a different method. "But he can't get past the gates of justice!!" Here. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/576/04/ What does Laffite say? Oh that's interesting, what's this? Laffite is also proven to be capable of sustained flight? BUT WAIT, it's also PROVEN that Laffite is quite skilled at sneaking into high-security places undetected as well!! http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/08/ Now that I have proof to back up an alternative option for blackbeard to get past the gates of justice without relying on Luffy opening a shichibukai position, you won't be able to argue against it! Interesting!
Laffite flies over the seas to impel down and hypnotizes the guards to not report his presence(Intruders would be captured, and I really doubt Laffite is capable of surviving against Impel Down's forces alone), then to allow Blackbeard's ship past the gates. "a Pirate's ship going anywhere near marine HQ is impossible!", Coated ship(Moby Dick got into Mariejois undetected) or steal a marine battleship and stay inside, problem solved.
"BUT WHAT IF MARINES ASK FOR INSPECTION OF SUSPICIOUS BATTLESHIP??" Not an issue, the marines inspecting the inside of the ship will see blackbeard's crew, get hypnotized to say that the ship is clear for entry, forget that the blackbeard pirates were in the boat, and to state the identity of marines who are on the boat if it is requested. Boom. Now all they need to do is get to level 6 one way or another(entrances to level 5.5 on every floor. As long as they are careful it's not impossible to get into the level 1 entrance undetected).
"If he had it so well planned, why would he go to the trouble of becoming a shichibukai?", an opportunity that was easier than his initial plan appeared. Ace > Luffy, BB > Ace, Luffy's head = Shichibukai, bingo. Plans can be changed, especially if something you couldn't(you can't predict the future) know when you made the plan that is a better option happens.
Why the hell would Blackbeard not go all out against Whitebeard ? Cause it makes people fear him to see Whitebeard stomp on him like he is a infant ? I see your point very well. He had to call on help cause Yami Yami fruit doesn't have attack ability to hurt Whitebeard unless ya get a lot of channeling time. If he had Zoan I am sure he had used it to escape from Whitebeard or to fight Whitebeard.
They might not have feared him when he was stomped on like an infant, but they surely fear the blackbeard pirates after killing the strongest man alive, then gaining the power to destroy the world with an unknown method. As well as doing the 'impossible' and having the powers of two devil's fruits.(I say two because nobody knows that he has a cerberus/chimera fruit already)
Now do you see why I didn't take the effort of answering your post? It would be a major waste of time to have written all of this since it was undeniably flawed.
I'm clearly a troll though.
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You're right, you're not trolling, you're just being an ass.
Discussing and telling others your point of view is one thing, but constantly putting "I win, I win" in every post like you're five years old is immature and disrespectful to other members. If you don't realize this, then perhaps you can adjust your behaviour, and not appear to be just another a-hole.
@Uncle Kenny - You sir, have a great eye :ninja:
and it's not quite disrespectful and immature to me to ignore all of my posts? I've had to repeat the exact same words numerous amounts of times in this thread. If you cannot comprehend the concept of mutual respect then your claims that I am a troll or an asshole hold no weight.
Up until recently I have been quite respectful and logical. However, the golden rule has come into effect, and you no longer deserve my respect.
Hypocritical troll.
edit-Can we get a moderator to delete all of these irrelevant posts? This went from theories about blackbeard that are reasonable and interesting to name-calling, trolling, and people who fail to read posts before denying them. It's not fun. I'm sick of explaining the same thing hundreds of times, only to have my posts called wrong when what they are calling out is clearly defined within the post.
This is the last time I will say it, I believe the Cerberus 'theory' has potential to be true, I'm not saying it is the prime candidate, I'm not trying to say how likely it is to happen, I'm just discussing it in depth.
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So I'm a troll because I make an arrogant response after making thousands of valid points and arguments. Sugoi monogatari, aniki.
I've said all that can be said on the cerberus theory and why it is still alive. Until Oda writes something that kills it, this discussion is over.
Let's talk about things that are actually worthwhile now.
Such as Catarina Devon being blackbeard's sister (lolnose)
But seriously, I'm done. Have a nice thread.
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@Cyan:
Could you come off a bit less arrogant?
Sorry, but no. It's quite clear that this thread is plagued with trolls and illiteracy, enough is enough. I am the winner anyway.
-What I mean to say, is that nobody should be arguing with me, as I've clearly stated in this thread that I'm not certain the cerberus is fact, just a possibility. It's detrimental to this thread's productive discussion to continue arguing with me when what I am saying cannot be argued.
Like seriously, look at what this thread has turned into.
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RE: General Blackbeard Thread
First thing first…
Oda : Remember when I showed ya 3 headed monster and yer were all like "AWESOME"... I am doing it again and it is Blackbeard......
People : What ya meant with "again" ?
Oda : BRB..... (never came back)Baseless..... oh yea remember the unknown how fearful it is..... what if Gomu Gomu is actually LOGIA he just been hiding it to increase his the FEAR OF HIM! Woah people feared him ten times more cause he was hiding he was logia.... such a fear some guy. Did ya know why Zoro was so much feared in East Blue ? Cause he didn't show his enemies he was actually stronger than Mihawk... he was just hiding it. If he had not nobody would fear him nearly as much or he gained fame at all.... whew thank god Zoro hid it else Luffy wouldn't ever had heard of him from Coby.
Blackbeard is rash and careless... even if he does plan things for long time.
His plan wasn't complicated....Hide under Whitebeard to find Yami Yami fruit, try to kill Whitebeard without dying himself. But he had to gather a crew first else Whitebeard's crew would easily overpower him. Then he heard about Crocodile getting beaten and we do not even know if he planned the rest. Is it always Luffy who plans anyhow...
Why the hell would Blackbeard not go all out against Whitebeard ? Cause it makes people fear him to see Whitebeard stomp on him like he is a infant ? I see your point very well. He had to call on help cause Yami Yami fruit doesn't have attack ability to hurt Whitebeard unless ya get a lot of channeling time. If he had Zoan I am sure he had used it to escape from Whitebeard or to fight Whitebeard.
You're either a troll or a down's syndrome. Either way, I win.
From what I read there isn't anything from the manga supporting this theory(the Cerberus zoan one). Just speculation to back up speculation.
It's possible BB can eat 3 DFs but not much hinting or foreshadowing that he's already ate this zoan DF.
There's several possibilities for how BB scarred Shanks.
All Drake and I have been saying this entire time is that the cerberus is a definite possibility, the opposition has been making claims that 'make' it less likely, and we've been explaining how those claims have no effect on the validity. That's all there is to it, we win, you lose.