"senior-made posts"this is the exact bullshit im talking about in this page.you guys act dumb even if the guy's point is obvious…when akainu and WG is taken down, it would have "no promotions" since theyre starting a new one. and maybe coby will be one of the admirals appointed because he is growing so fast.and zoro and sanji got better CoO haki than coby? please. stop acting dumb....even the doctor who examined coby said his observation haki is special. and what? luffy fought a CoO expert so its he can beat any CoO expert with eyes closed?thats the reason why he almost shit his pants when he rayleigh's capabilities, and he is getting caught by even by hody jones, so much for luffy having a high CoO.as i said, coby's CoO alone might be a big problem for luffy. luffy got perhaps above average CoA and kings haki but no one can dispute that luffy got average CoO skills. the bullshit and kissing ass in this page is unbearable. good god.
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im in no point insisting about my theory, coz im so done trying to discuss with you motherfuckers, there are other way more respectful and "willing to listen to an idea" guys out there in forums that are not populated with monopolizing, wannabe geniuses like you are. you know-it-all bromancers got each other's back so much you almost formed a conga line.this is a "theory forum" and no matter if you agree or disagree or whether that guy is wrong or right (because were all fucking guessing here), give him a chance to throw his idea…especially if they spent time thinking and writing it all off just to share it with you motherfuckers. have some respect to other people's opinion, and its obvious you guys dont have that, you are driving new members away and all that's left here are you motherfuckers running out of things to discuss because a small group of assholes needs to be on the fuckin same page every damn time shooting anyone who got different opinion.
screw this page.
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these motherufuckers keeps on being bias assholes they are, now you guys are using power levels for your argument that coby got no parallelism to garp?
and these are the same bunch of know-it-alls who shoots down my theory because im supposedly "using power levels to justify that smoker is getting weak and coby getting up there with luffy."
just admit it that your argument "smoker is luffy's garp" is totally unproven and people could make case for coby as well.
you know this forum is fucked up when someone is even fuckin asking if "is it ok to give my my own ideas here? coz it seems that i need to be on the same page as your know-it-all asses"
oh, and robzilla, your "these should be followed to determine new nakama"–--half of these wont come out until either luffy invited them or that actually joined the crew. you guys just admit that you dont other people's opinion and you shoot down everything if you dont personally like it. so much for this being called a "theory forum"
the point is smoker is going down in competitiveness with luffy and could be possibly be replaced by coby soon, the last time luffy punched coby in marineford, coby havent awakened his CoO that time, coby's CoO alone could be a threat to luffy, do you guys realize that if coby's CoO grow too strong, luffy might not even hit him next time because luffy's observation haki is pretty average?
and with him backed up garp, coby can have the leniency that smoker doesnt have (which might pretty be stuck at G5 for now,) in terms of pursuing luffy.
youre genius asses never thought that smoker might have been a decoy to slowly put coby as luffy's garp? and maybe smoker's main point before is just to introduce a logia? (not that, its the whole character of smoker, of course smoker is the guy who slowly sees that the strawhats and marines are not black and white----just to be specific because your nitpicking asses like to find the singlest holes to pull your neverending, redundant, paraphrased arguments)
of course you guys will still gang up on anything like a group of jurors acting all right and stuff. go ahead, make a joke out of me, thats your whole point of "theory discussion"
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! It's just impossible to deny , whether it's you thinking Smoker will join or Coby fans trying to force a story arc that certainly isn't in the cards for him.
! It's like denying the Rayleigh/Benn Beckmen/Zoro parallel.
! Hell I bet when we finally meet Scopper he'll have a few similarities to Sanji, even if he's just being another extreme pervert.
! This doesn't mean they're the exact same characters or that their lives will play out exactly the same as the past, but Oda does love to allude to similarities .i agree with you there, the problem is, in garp's parallel part, you could make a case for coby. in those other crewmate of roger, there's just no other comparison except for those of crewmates of luffy. i dont get why monkey king, bevard and you always gang up on a theory when what youre saying "smoker is garp" is not at all absolutely true. you guys keep on using that argument and you complain when i use my argument over and over again…because coby and smoker can both make a claim as luffy's garp. so stop that angle.
@RobbyBevard:
! You have paid no attention at all to Jinbe, or the like, 4 years of discussion on him have you.
! Jinbe had about 20 qualifications for joining the crew before he even appeared on camera based purely on what other characters had said about him and that only intensified as he got more and more screen time and we saw more about him.
! Jinbe had a metric truckload of story and history and motivation to join before he even met the crew, and was rightly arguable for years by the people paying attention to story structure, author intent, and what he brought to the table in terms of diversity and story dynamics. He was likely almost immediately, and a lock once he started interacting with the crew… (Sanji and Nami in particular) all before Luffy officially invited him.
! If you personally find him "boring", that's your thing and thats an entirely different argument thats been held a hundred times. But he's definitely distinct from the other crewmembers in a huge number of ways. Smoker, aside from being a major antagonist force for the last 13 years and 630 chapters, pretty much shares an identical personality, and even a similar design, to Zoro. While his story motivations and role are... pretty blatantly set at this point and always have been.
! Jinbe (who was always a pirate) actively protested Marineford because he believed the government was doing wrong to try and trap a positive force like Whitebeard. Smoker helped get Ace killed because he believed in the Marines.
! He may become dissillusioned with the guys currently in charge, but he's not going to stray at this point.about 20 qualifications? metric truckload of story, history and motivation to join? bringing to the table in terms of diversity and story dynamics? i gave it all way before for smoker but you guys just like to nitpick what you like and dont like, and dont even try to bring up brennen's jinbe theory because there are lots of guys who didnt believed at first…youre just using that because it came true and because luffy now invited jinbe...jinbe is on lock and you accepted that at once? stop it dude. cmon.
! Because you're writing 3 page long rambles that no one is paying attention to anymore because your point has been destroyed repeatedly now, but you just brush off the posters who are right by going "la la la, I'm not listening, I don't need to counter your point because I don't want to talk to you." and instead just keep repeating the same crap over and over, so all people are seeing at this point is "Smoker smoker smoker" from you.
! It pretty much destroys your case when you're just bashing your head against the wall with the same argument repeatedly rather than actually discussing anything or providing anything new or even considering what the other people have to say.
! Generally, when every single person around you is saying you're wrong, or even just repeatedly misunderstanding what you think your point is, then you're probably doing something wrong.im writing 3 page long rambles? hell, monkey was the one who started on nitpicking every sentence i said with a reply and made it long so i needed to answer him with same amount of replies…jesus christ, you sound so bias.
and no one's paying attention because it had been destroyed over and over? with what? with the unsure argument that smoker is luffy's garp?...i kept on saying that argument is not yet proven and im the one ignoring it?...and yeah, i dont like talking to certain guys because of being rude pricks and being bias like you and monkey king.
you guys never give chance to theory posters here to discuss their theories respectfully because you two are always shooting down, insulting and flooding this forum with your know-it-all attitudes. ban me or whatever, but its real talk, its people like monkey king and you who kills the fun on this forum.
and to monkey king since your buddy here, hates that i write "3 pages long of rambles" then ill just try to make it short.
zoro and smoker dont even share the same design now, and personality wise, zoro just rushes ahead, smoker plans things ahead, with that, i meant that eventhough he is aggressive, he think things through....before he pursued luffy at loguetown, he had the mind to ready an ambush team. in alabasta, he traced luffy by deducting a call from denden mushi, at punk hazard he read the situation before going in an island, figuring out the secret passage and the poison gas...so on and so forth. zoro just goes ahead without any thought. if zoro was fighting against vergo, he would not have thought to just get the heart for law and endlessly try to overpower vergo. there are other differences within their personalities if you look at it.
never did i implied that aokiji is happy to work with blackbeard, but my point is, if aokiji joins a bad pirate crew in order to do what he wants (in order to change the WG)...then its more possible for smoker when he leaves the marines to join a pirate crew who he knows are good guys.
all smoker did was to transfer to G5, aokiji roams everywhere...come back to me when smoker follows luffy outside of G5 without an order. smoker said himself that his ranking prevents him from following luffy. (i wont give the page to you, find it yourself, its the aftermath of enies lobby iirc)
you know a lot about tropes, congratulations, have a cookie. still, you and bevard said tropes are not applied all the time, so its irrelevant.
what the fuck you mean adventuring? and bevard was talking about me talking about things over and over? the fuck you guys' problem are...you guys are too fucking bias you hate anyone who have a different theories than you...i never said anything about adventuring. I FUCKIN SAID freedom of doing what they fuckin wanted to do. adventuring just comes after they jumped at the ship. goddamit do i have to explain every single fuckin thing to you guys? also, if you dont know the page where smoker let the strawhats escape screw that, im fuckin sick and tired of this.
you know what, fuck this. all the other questions are just paraphrased same arguments i need to answer. you guys dont fucking accept anything until luffy actually invites someone...so screw it, im totally done. smfh. i tried discussing here again but these kind of fuckers kill the fun of discussing something.
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to the other forumers, im sorry and thank you for the discussion. you guys are all cool. im done here.
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jesus christ. smoker is garp again….and im not hoping dude, why you guys keep on insisting that? LOL
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you want to remember how much of a two face chameleon you are? last time i checked you insulted me when i used tropes.
now youre using tropes to use it as an argument? thats pretty low.
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=36340&page=277
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Of course that how i see it, it's surprise me that you can see it the way i did, because you're basicly just saying that Coby and Garp, especially Garp, didn't care about how corrupt the system is, as long they get what they want (dream, salary, or w/e). But again, you really think that Smoker will join because you think the story ran in that direction(?).
its not that im saying coby and garp didnt care about the system. what im saying is, smoker is the one who have a close up experience about strawhats' good deeds and he experienced marine corruption as well (just like coby and garp), its just that, i think smoker's mentality is going that direction. he is a rebel, a stray dog.
coby is a cowardly, not so confident dude–-he fought it when he cant hold it back much longer (the baby cry scene before arrived right?)
and garp just got his own way, im sure he and sengoku will show up once again. im in no way saying they dont care about corruption. im just saying smoker is likely to go that direction.
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gonna get off, be right back in few hours! nice discussion guys! to the mods, sorry for the off-topic (i know, way overdue)
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@Monkey:
Yeah actually she was. But what does this even have to do with what you quoted lol.
its because jinbe is as plain as smoker and he's a legit candidate. LOL
You STILL don't get it. The problem with Smoker isn't that he's boring, it's that he fucking nearly identical to Zoro personality wise.
eh? zorro is like the perfect right hand man for luffy, silly and loves adventures and always follow luffy….smoker is like deductive and always careful and he might prolly always argue with luffy...just because they both frown doesnt mean they are similar.
Oh I'M lying? Show me where Aokiji mentions anything about "see the world and do what he wants" or whatever the hell you think he said.
He tells Smoker that there are things he can do outside the government. He's really really really obviously talking about law enforcement.
It's inarguable.
How the hell did you come around to thinking Aokiji's story is "NO WAY WILL AKAINU TAKE CONTROL, I CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THIS I WILL DUEL HIM TO DEATH, OH SHIT I LOST oh wait cool man now that i have no responsibilities i'll just do whatever, hey smoker bro, you gotta try this shit mannnn, chill outtt dudeee, i dont even care about justice anymore dude."Like that's what's your saying happened.
Aokiji still cares about justice, he's telling Smoker that he still able to get things done outside the law for the law. NOTHING about what you said he said.you said too much but aokiji is actually affiliated with a pirate now. and he said that because he experienced whats the perspective from getting outside the marines. twist it or turn it. he said to smoker that, you can see things more outside than inside the WG system.
ahahaha Smoker is literally the next rank down.
hahahaha. yeah. and new admirals are fujitora and green bull. too bad for smoker, he still cant roam around like aokiji.
No, because the system is crap and run by fascists.
thats why im saying he's getting out of there soon…ya aint diggin meeee???? LOL
He's loyal to the idea, not the bueracrats above him.
Jesus why does it always seem like the most clueless people here have never watched, read, or seen ANY other fiction.
It's like the whole incredibly well worn concept of the "TOUGH COP" TV show doesn't make sense to you at all. You're not at all familiar with this insanely cliche overdone trope.and when talked about tropes before i took my hiatus you insulted me. you contradict yourself. i thought its bad to always follow tropes???? i still remember it well bro. you chameleon you. using tropes when its convenient and insulting guys who used the trope angle when it fits. youre sneaky
TO.CATCH.CRIMINALS.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, maybe I missed the part where Smoker and Tashigi went on a random adventure?oh, you never missed it, its just that smoker complains that he cant follow luffy because of the stupid WG system.
lol, I'd kill to see Smoker's point of realizing how much fun he's missing with the Strawhats…provided it's fanfiction.
of course, even law is being dragged into it.
So Smoker, Coby, Tashigi (jesus christ i still don't know how you've explained HER away), and all those people who share this same dream of reforming the law enforcement…they all deep down want to abandon law enforcement and become Batman with a pirate crew with a specific route.
dont worry i have an explanation for tashigi, and coby's dream is to be an admiral, he doesnt count. smoker's abandoning marine rules since day one.
Are you….actually questioning Smoker being obsessed with law enforcement....by also bringing up something that didn't happened.
he let pirates escape alabasta, it happened. look it up. LMAO. dont get amnesia when its convenient for your argument. just give up.
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@Monkey:
Yes because that fully encompasses every aspect of Sanji and Brooke doesn't it. Hell they don't even act like perverts in the same way.
Are you really that numb to how unbelievably boring and stupid having both Zoro and Smoker in the same group would be personality wise? Like seriously?
It sounds like some awful fanfiction shonen where the cast is just a bunch of grunting smirking badasses.
and robin is so much fun before she joined right, and jinbei as boring as he is, was a LEGIT candidate now because he was invited by luffy? thats playing on the safe side.
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I just can't take any opinion if Smoker joining seriously. Kind of how people can't take ny Bellany predictions seriously.
i feel you bro, if thats what you think no problem. its better to know that you just straight up admit you dont like to see smoker in the crew personally. because its exhausting to debate guys who just refuse to lose.
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@Monkey:
No no no, that's now what Aokiji did. He didn't say "hey dude look outside the WG for ways to live" he said something about looking outside the box in order to deliver justice. He's expressing distaste with the way things are currently run and how he can't get the job done inside anymore. Not distaste with justice.
dont lie, he straight up said to smoker he can do change and see the world and do what he wants, if outside, rather than being confined in the system of WG. youre just fooling yourself now….and yeah, thats what aokiji did, but the question about me is, what is smoker's character in the series. aokiji is an admiral, he can do what he wants, smoker is in the lower ranks, a guy who sees the injustice but cant do anything because of his affiliation.
Smoker has never given a shit about loyalty lol.
and here you are talking earlier that smoker is for marines. right.
What the hell part of Smoker is about adventuring and traveling. He's law enforcement through and through.
well he sails off without permission. whatever… not every strawhat wanted to have adventure at first, its when they saw how fun it is to be with the strawhats they had been completely into that. when every strawhat joined they were just thinking about their dreams. having freedom what they want to do.
law enforcement by letting pirates escape alabasta...cmon, just give up dude.
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I'm not trying to oppose you, I'm trying to enlighten you. You can claim whatever you what, I don't care; that is, as long as you have a decent understanding of what exactly you're predicting.
Since you don't seem to want to answer my question, I can't really gauge the extent of your existing comprehension, but let's try again. What do you think Smoker represents in the story? How does his affiliations and morals tie into his character, and how much of that would be compromised or thrown away if he were to join the Strawhat crew? What, if anything, would be missing from the story if Smoker's role was twisted or distorted by his change of affiliations or morals?
ok, as i said, i have no problems discussing it…i might be wrong, its ok...i didnt understand your question earlier and it seemed to me that with your question earlier, i will be forced to make a fanboy story of what i wanted to happen (believe, i would love too give that LOL, i just dont think its proper because i want to base everything on things that already happened)
this question is better and ill try to answer it the best i can:
1.What do you think Smoker represents in the story? i think smoker represents the character that is struggling to know what is the true justice,a man who is on the verge of making a big decision of what he really wants–-who sticks to his affiliation, but deep inside wants to follow his heart and desire for freedom, to pursue his own justice.
at first he is this stubborn marine captain who got a black and white (pirates are bad, marines are good) perception...he met luffy and bit by bit, he sees that its not so, he is being helped by pirates, he helped pirates, he cooperated with pirates....he got a fake promotion, he saw cover-ups in kidnapping, drug dealing, the corruption in the marines, his close friend became a vagabond, literally urging him to look more outside than the box of WG.
his loyalty with the marines is there, but he follows his own justice, he doesnt really listen to orders and he hates guys who hurts his nakama. he is basically on the verge on deciding to follow his loyalty or his justice.
every strawhat got something held onto because of pride, nami's refusal to have friends, zoro's refusal to work for someone, sanji's refusal to leave zeff etc....every strawhat holds on to something before they met luffy because they are struggling to decide, when what they really wanted all along was freedom to pursue what they wanted.
so for me, smoker represents a pirate trapped in the enemy's side.
2. How does his affiliations and morals tie into his character, and how much of that would be compromised or thrown away if he were to join the Strawhat crew?
the only thing that needs to change is smoker's affiliation, which im confident will change because of the corruption he is seeing everytime he is involved in an arc, his morals and attitude are pretty much strawhat-like.so nothing would be compromised, maybe he needs to give up chasing luffy or not, you know, i cant say much about that, he can like, join the crew thinking that luffy cant go far this time and just find the right opening to catch luffy–--but you know, if he rides that sunny-go he would be pretty much converted into "ill ride this ship to catch you" to "goddamit this guy is good".
if you will say "smoker dont like to follow orders"....then perfect, luffy never acted like a captain anyways...
or you will say, "smoker wants to change the marines"...then perfect, the key to changing the WG is in the sunny-go----nico robin.
3.What, if anything, would be missing from the story if Smoker's role was twisted or distorted by his change of affiliations or morals? what will happen is that luffy will have a vegeta (you know what i mean) on board, one who will give an additional unique personality in the crew, given that, every dude in the current strawhat crew got no hidden agenda against luffy. much like sanji and zoro, kinemon and brook–-if kinemon is considered just on the fact that he would be like the partner of brook then i think its fair to give that persona to smoker as well.
and smoker would need to stop chasing luffy, which i think will be alright...since akainu might be luffy's greatest marine rival anyway, and both him and luffy got bad blood written all over it. akainu killed luffy's brother....which made smoker like a gag (not really a gag, but just sayin akainu's rivalry with luffy is way bigger)...or even if say "well smoker the friendlier marine rival of luffy".....there's still coby which is probably way more important than smoker....
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@Monkey:
Except those are shallow meaningless powers that don't matter, and the Swiss guy is talking about personality which does matter.
We already have a humorless surly badass who frowns constantly..and we got two perverts if youre talking about personality.
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are those can even called a justice?
and why can't Smoker have those traits as marines, the opposite group of the protagonist?well, ok. if you cant get it then fine.
What corruption? the shicibukai? the group that disliked by every other marines?
fake promotions, covering up the good deeds made by pirates, covering up of kidnapping, covering up of drug dealing, child experimentation, insertion of an outsider in the marines.
he's not
ok again.
He can't go to NW with his captain position? And aokiji's not leaving the marines because he want to…
ok.
He's vice admiral, of course he can… but tell me, what made you think that akainu will leave his office because of SHC?
this is just…man...sorry, this is a st---d question....
You really made them both as the worst character in One Piece
ok, thats how you see it.
last time i read, the baratie restaurant want to erase the shicibukai system.
eh????
really ? a childhood illustration?
that oda drew.
lol … not everyone that luffy helped will join, but a marines will? is this something like "sanji will be feared by the marines/wg" fanboyism?
stop generalizing, i didnt said anyone that luffy helped, i said strawhats was helped by luffy before they joined. LOL. your weak ass arguments dont really deserve a reply sorry….
So, why can't the chase to be a journey for both side? like we already see in the stories.
because they are dynamic characters.
Smoker made important decisions involving SHC in those 3 arcs he played, isn't that important enough?
do you want all things to develop ASAP? and here you are talking about bad storytelling.
dude, seriously, most of these arguments i dont even wanna answer…i respect it, but its pretty downright, i dont know...its like you just refuse to lose in a discussion...these are stupid ass, borderline sarcastic answers...
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So, if Smoker were to join near the end the of series against the World Government, how exactly would it differ from simply allying with Strawhat? Well, beyond–in your own words--mindfucking everyone.
I already have an idea what it would do to Smoker's character, but I want to read it from you.
end of the series meaning, he is just the last recruit. its not that its like he will join on the last arc before one piece ends….
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they already have a smoker in the crew
its like you saying brook doesnt belong since there's a swordsman in the crew, or jinbe wont join coz sanji got the blue walk…
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I already have an idea what it would do to Smoker's character, but I want to read it from you.
please tell me that idea, maybe its a reasonable argument against my theory, im all for it.
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Aaaaah Wiper! This chapter is one of the few that makes me cry every time I read.http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4899/one-piece_ch293_by_null
i love wiper bro, ill leave ussop and chopper behind to get wiper. LOL….the reject dial is the best thing that happened in skypiea for me.
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I don't really think that a theory should be treated as legitimate just because it's not 100% disproven yet.
If a theory is unlikely, and unsubstansiated then it's going to be thought of as the hail mary of theory crafting.
To which one is of course free to say i still think it'll happen, but you probably won't convince to many other folks about it though.
its no problem, i cant please everyone and everyone got their own theory, we just have to respect each other…i just dont like disrespectful assholes. youre not one of them...dont worry about it! :)
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Do not forget that he probably thinks the same goes for you. Anyway you are right, your theory is not stupid or impossible, I just do not want to see it happens.
i know its what he thinks, im not out to force everyone to believe it, thats why i dont really say this theory until someone asked about it…believe me, im tired on talking about it, since this is a theory discussion thread, i thought i just share it....and its cool if you dont want it to happen, to each his own! :) we are cool dude, no worries :)
if i can say it, i hated that wiper didnt join...but he never shown any criteria to be a strawhat.
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It'd be cool if Cavendish were to become Luffy's ally/temporary crewmember and stay on Sunny and slaughter most of SHs one night :ninja:
LOL. thats hilarious!!!!
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no you can't. The Coby relationship is entirely different. Coby was inspired by luffy and is looking to advance in the ranks so that he can make a difference. Smoker is literally chasing Luffy like Garp did. It isn't complicated.
see? lol ok, whatever makes you happy…its still not absolute truth though, so my theory still stands.
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Indeed but it is currently in progress, while Coby want to be an admiral (unlike Garp).
still, either smoker or coby is garp, it doesnt matter. oda never approved anything and both can make an argument for both.
the smoker is garp argument is always being used just to dispute my theory…its not an absolute truth so my theory still stands.
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i'm not forcing anything? It's been like this since Lougetown. But whatever. You just don't get it.
i can make a case for coby…he agreed on rivaling luffy like, from the start.
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My god, people think Coby think that Luffy's Garp? xD
i cant do anything if you dont believe it, but dont force smoker as luffy's garp…because its not definite as well.
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For smoker to ever become pirate, be it kind one or anything else (maybe only undercover, but I even doubt it) would be changing of his personality, views, character. Which isn't impossible, but neither good storytelling.
There might be some characteristics changed because of reasons which explain it, but not whole character.
his personality and views are just fine. the only thing that needs to change is his him being a marine. at the very least its a mindfuck, not bad storytelling.
ceasar joining is the bad storytelling.
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@Monkey:
He's not a candidate at all.
tumbleweeds ok.
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if im wrong then no biggie, this is just a theory…but like i said, smoker the best candidate since jinbe.
jinbe was introduced in the arlong arc, developed in the marineford saga, then he was invited in the completion of fishman island arc.
maybe oda is planning it all along, since the new world is the second of half of the series, so he probably wont have enough time to introduced and develop and fit a character in the crew, so he introduced and developed them at the very start of the series...jinbe and robin's quirks were just shown after they had been invited as well.
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Yeah maybe my memories about this scene are not very clear. But chasing a pirate to the point of being considered as Luffy's Garp means that you already try to catch him several times. I doubt that Coby could catch up with Smoker right now.
luffy's dream of being a pirate king rivals with coby's dream of being an admiral, they mutually agreed to being friends and enemies, they are the two person who are first introduced in the series, they might likely be the faces of new generation of pirate-marine after the series is done.
their relationship is looking like garp-roger for me. plus coby is trained by garp.
the only thing working for smoker in comparison to garp is because he currently chases luffy and him being vice admiral.
but tell me who do you think have a deeper meaning of garp-roger aside from each other around, its luffy and coby… if im being honest, smoker is marine's version of luffy. and if i may say, gokou's vegeta.
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@RobbyBevard:
Anyone insisting that exact parallels carry in terms of his enemies and allies is missing the point. The series is NOT going to end with Luffy captured and executed and inspiring the next generation with a final speech.
exactly, its not about the chasing stuff, if you wanna parallel garp and roger to someone…its deeper than that, coz no way luffy suffers the same fate as roger....luffy and coby are the two person introduced in the series and they are the two person who would change pirates and marines relationship (respectively) and the world for better.
couldnt you guys see it? roger and garp are almost friends, they didnt have the chance to show to anyone.
luffy and coby have the same relationship, the difference is, they will exceed what roger and garp did, they will change the fuckin one piece world.
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@RobbyBevard:
Smoker isn't joining the strawhats. He might leave the Marines at the height of the Aikanu influenced corruption, but that won't be until endgame, and he'd still be reinstated after the fallout. He and Kuzan will both be allies, but they won't be crewmates.
again exactly, i think if ever smoker joins, he will be the last one, coz he wont leave the marines until like the final stretch of the series, yo, guys…im not saying it will happen ASAP...he will slowly (as in slowly) realize that his black and white perspective on pirates is not the accurate. which is just right coz of smoker's stubborn persona.
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And also there is hint in manga too, that he liked Roger, because of the smile he remembered imo.
exaaaaactly. in my opinion, smoker chasing luffy is more of "dammit, there's something with this guy, since im a marine i need to capture him." and "this is the first guy that ever escaped me, my pride wont allow it" and i think its somehow related to smoker's secret message to luffy that aokiji was supposed to say.
unlike akainu's "luffy is dangerous, ill kill him"
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What the… strawhat's code of justice? what's that?
1. love for subordinates/nakama
2. doing what you feel is right
3. drive to get stronger
4. not following to protocol ordersThe last time he's mentioned, he's providing information to Akainu… the story's not went to that direction...
coz he is still loyal to the marines, but he saw the corruption and he's complaining about it since day one, he was being lectured by aokiji about doing more outside and seeing more outside than inside. aokiji was probably more loyal than smoker but he looks like he's now affiliated with blackbeard,…who are we to dispute than smoker wont do it? especially if he sees luffy is a good guy?
please tell me it doesnt look like smoker is not going to leave the marines sooner or later.
And it'll kept that way, just like he choose to rank up his position only to keep him close to SHC, not leaving the marines…
aokiji went up until admiral then left the marines, whats your point? whats rank gotta do with it?
And why do you thing a fleet admiral will leave the base to chase a group of pirate?
….you guys are the ones who keeps on saying that smoker will chase luffy until the series ends....
If that's a reason to join, why we're not seeing Garp or Coby in SHC?.
umm, because coby's dream is to be an admiral and garp just straight hate shanks?
Is that's mean the marines is an evil organization that need to be destroy/erase at the EoS?
marine is gonna be reconstructed by aokiji, smoker, garp, sengoku, coby whatever. the fact is no one can do shit while inside the WG system.
Not a reason to join
youre just guessing here like me.
He's not helping, he's paying back.
zoro, nami, sanji and other strawhats paid luffy back by joining him. (not saying everyone that luffy helped will join, but smoker fits on other criterias as well)
Why Luffy have to defeat him? The chase could be to lead Smoker to a stage that need him to observe and make decision as a marine, so the story will not end up as "everything is about SHC" manga.
still, luffy defeating smoker means the chase is over. i mean defeating smoker physically. its a much more possibility that akainu chases luffy. and not like smoker, akainu really wants to kill luffy.
The dude have been playing for 4 arc, 3 of it as a main cast. He's important.
now this is what i call going around in circles, you just dont get my point here.
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@RobbyBevard:
Stop right there.
Disregard anything you inferred from that.
then please do. as i said my point still stands.
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Nah, Smoker spent his free time tracking Luffy while Coby trains to capture bad guys and to change the marine. I think Coby fought Luffy at marinford to prove his will to accomplish his dream. But Smoker already tryed 4 times to defeat Luffy only to take his head. Coby never stated that he wants to arrest Luffy (only that he will challenge him if he has to) but Smoker has been targeting Luffy since chapter 100!
coby said he will be an admiral and he will rival luffy. both of them accepted the fact that they are enemies and coby even slipped saying he will capture luffy. stop it.
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@Monkey:
These are neat strawman arguments to make in lieu of actually responding to my post.
whatever. you just dont like other people's opinion, im done with you.
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I don't care if parallels are stupid. The parallels are there even if you choose to deny it. That doesn't mean they are the same people.
there, see? it just goes back to same arguments coz they just dont care…its smoker = garp, not prove, kinda stupid...but yeah, my theory got holes in it even if i asnwered a thousand times...but their argument got holes in it and its ok.
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I'm not a believer that Luffy's story will end up like Rogers and I maintain that they are their own people so i'm not like that. It just irks me when i see people trying to deny the similarities in characters just because they don't like parallels.
and garp's parallel could very well be coby but you dont accept that.
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I meant in childhood, cause what you said seemed like that. But never mind that post.
Btw if Smoker were to join, he'd be bad example for young marines and people. I think that's the same thing that stopped Garp to betray marines and save Ace.
sorry i misunderstood…its because of smoker's childhood illustration, i know its just a guess but im thinking that there's probably some deeper reason why smoker is too adamant that "pirates are all the same" and tashigi is so determined to "take all the swords from the bad guys". i suppose that merits some flashback sometime soon.
and also, i know its not in the manga...but if smoker was too much of a pirate hater, why did he looked like he admired roger when he was a child? i mean, you can disregard it but my point still stands....there should be some deep reason why tashigi and smoker have this black and white perspective on pirates like nami and coby before they met luffy.
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Who said that Smoker hated pirates?
i think smoker said on some occassions that "pirates are all the same", and he influenced tashigi with it. but at the same time, even as stubborn as he is, he scolded G5 marines when they drew a line for "bad and evil". and hina mentioned that "he looks almost happy" when the strawhats got away in alabasta,…but yeah, its been perceived that smoker hates pirates, like nami and zoro.
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I'm not entirely sure on what you want from us.
If there are flaws and holes in your theory people are going to point them out to you.
the thing is, i answered it and then it would go back to same argument. im tired of it. smoker is luffy's garp, smoker is luffy's garp, he can change things inside the marines, he is made to chase luffy…do you guys have any other new arguments? i mean, seriously. how can it be a hole or flaw if i answered it and their arguments are got holes as well? because their arguments are not even accurate.
smoker is luffy's garp? cmon, as i said it could very well be coby.
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what with this "my theory is not for discussion" post?
my post is "someone just asked for my theory so i explained it, and yeah, i dont wanna discuss it anymore because the arguments against it are just going in circles when i answered it, and even their arguments against it is not absolute."
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also it would be nice if zoro defeated mihawk already before he gets killed, you know? zoro acknowledging mihawk as his sensei cheesy stuff and then they have mutual respect then all of a sudden mihawk gets murdered by shilliew because shilliew got the diamond fruit. cool.
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Nah, it'll be Burgess. There's way more to be gained from this and it's actually been shown as a possibility. With this arc already so packed, I seriously doubt Coby will appear at all, never mind get the mera mera.
Tashigi is not going to join the SH's. You need to let this go.
You also need to let this go.
Lafitte seems to already have a DF.
this is a theory discussion thread. you need to let this go.
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Nah, it'll be Burgess. There's way more to be gained from this and it's actually been shown as a possibility. With this arc already so packed, I seriously doubt Coby will appear at all, never mind get the mera mera.
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with all respect, i think sabo gets it. then gives it to luffy, in honor of ace.
yeah, its stupid to hear this right now, but i think then luffy gives it to coby.
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see? the problem with this theory is ME just making a theory based on things i observe, its a guess, not saying its an absolute truth. and YOU GUYS speak your arguments like its an absolute truth when in fact its not. (ill get to that in the last lines)
first of all, my favorite/pet character is not smoker, nor tashigi–--its wiper. i fuckin love that guy.
secondly, im basing my smoker and tashigi theory based on the turn of events in one piece, in what i feel will happen. ***(someone said to view it in narrative, this couldnt be more narrative, im basing it on what happened and happening on the series.) its not about power levels, but on my opinion is smoker's importance in the series (i wont explain too much im freakin tired to go at it over and over again with you guys arguments just going in circles.)
thirdly, im seeing a pattern, like it or not, i had explained it before already so whether you guys like it or not, i feel these two characters are good candidates for nakama.
so yeah., im so done discussing this, you guys are just going with like 2 arguments that i answered a billion times before...im confident about my theory and ill just have to see if it will come true.
1. its not definite that smoker is luffy's garp so stop with that, it may very well be coby---or there's no luffy's garp in the first place.
2. yeah, smoker and tashigi are for justice, which are eerily similar to strawhats' code of justice.
3. you guys cant deny that the way the story goes, smoker might definitely leave the marines (or get fired, or whatever)
4. and the only thing thats stopping smoker from doing what he wants (he is called the stray dog of the marines for crying out loud) is his association with the marines.
5. you cant deny that the only advantage he got over luffy is his logia intangability. we can even ASSUME that his chase over luffy is futile now, if there's someone who is worth chasing luffy its akainu.
6. you cant deny that he see that strawhats are not the bad pirates he generalize every pirates with. and you cant refute that smoker is not a dynamic character. he is quite stubborn and adamant, but he shown that he can change if the need arises---and if you tell smoker is not slowly changing his stance, youre all lying to yourselves.
7. you cannot refute that smoker can change something inside the marines, if aokiji, garp or sengoku cant do it, most probably he cant neither.
8. his childhood illustration shows him more as a problem child (like aokiji in his own illustration) i feel there's something more to him and there's a reason why he hated pirates (and come to think of it, almost every strawhats hated pirates before they saw how nice of a guy luffy was)
9. you cant deny that he ends up helping the strawhats every single time.
10. give me reasons why you think blackbeard, akainu and the 4 yonkous will be defeated by luffy before smoker. because if you think smoker is that important, then prove it. i dont think he's gonna be chasing luffy until after the final war, more possibility is him and coby being rivals that time.
11. speaking of importance, just because i said i think smoker wont play a vital role in the climax of the series doesnt mean he is not important at all, he would definitely be a supporting character. (you know what im talkin about by important players: luffy, akainu, gorosei, blackbeard, garp, sengoku, dragon)
12. calm your tits down people, its just a theory. im just saying they are good candidates, i think they are the best candidates since jinbe because they fit into most criterias of a strawhat nakama.
im done with this.
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i wouldve shoved the zombie back in the grave along with ussop.
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well ok. LOL. lets see.
and i was just to type "here comes the smoker is justice" and "smoker is luffy's garp"
still the same arguments i need to refute, over and over again, already answered it…im done with it.
and goodluck to smoker changing WG from within, even aokiji needed to be an outsider to do something.
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when you cant say anything else use the "you use power levels" argument. its not even my main point, my main point is smoker's character dynamics, the way events are shaping and smoker's importance in the series. in that regard, im saying smoker wont likely be a main player in the climax of the series just to give an argument on guys who keeps on saying that smoker will fight with garp and sengoku.
and not to mention that, do you guys think strawhats wont play a factor in that fight? all im sayin is whats happening to smoker and in the series makes me think smoker will slowly change from his "pirates are bad" stance to "dammit luffy is different than other pirates" stance.
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@Monkey:
Yeah, the reformed Marines would be a group that comes to terms with not chasing friendly vagabonds, and go after actual criminals.
What part of this involves quitting the Marines and joining the vagabonds??the part where they are helping pirates the time the arc is finished? and insisting that pirates are all the same but scolding his subordinates when they draw a line on whats bad and good?
Garp and Sengoku are basically retired. Aokiji I never denied.
and garp and segoku will never show up again right? i dont think so.
Well obviously wasn't "I LOVE U BRO< LETS JOIN TOGWTHR" or whatever you seem to be implying here.
he never said he loves zoro, sanji, chopper, robin, franky and nami when he met them…he just said he think they are good guys...
Aokiji was looking after her for Saul until the end of the Water7 story, he isn't looking after her anymore. Because he's decided she's finally found stable ground and is not longer a danger. Kind of an important plot point there for the ending of like thirteen volumes of story.
otherwise, it just still means aokiji thinks robin is not really a traitor and strawhats are not the generic pirates he knew…
Aokiji didn't say it because he said it was stupid. It was probably some dumb thing like "I'm gonna get you kid!".
There's nothing else that could possibly be big news because we've been privy to Smoker's thoughts and everything. The next time we saw him after that he was still trying to bust Luffy. And any development of positive attitude toward him we saw develop first hand in Punk Hazard. It didn't exist before that.
You're ignoring Smoker's actual in our face characterization? And you want him to join the crew? Huh?smoker always say he's gonna get luffy…why the hell would he need to say it to aokiji like a secret message? its not that I WANT him to join, THE TURN OF EVENTS make me think he will join, dont put words in my mouth.
Gee dude, he's only the MAIN vehicle Oda's been using to develop that plot line! (with Tashigi)
smoker is being used to show the minor problems in the marines…you see in aokiji that he experienced the major problems there, there's a reason why the gorosei supported akainu and why garp and sengoku retired at the end of marineford war....i doubt smoker will be so important to get that far...
Why why why why why do all the simplest posters insist on seeing every conflict in this series as a generic shonen duel in Final Destination no items.
Why. My god. You all act like this is Bleach.its not that its like bleach…im just saying that smoker's character is not in a position to be in sengoku or garp's position in any point of the series...luffy after 2 years is now matched up to prolly the strongest shichibukai, planning to take a yonkou,....coby jumped ranks more than anyone and sengoku and garp are prolly just as strong as akainu even with old age.
smoker as a vice admiral is just meh compared to them. its not about power levels, its just that its not in his character to play an important role in the climax of the series.
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like sanji, my only dream is the invisible fruit. LMAO.
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coby gets the mera mera fruit.
tashigi and smoker will get separated. tashigi gets jailed by WG.
strawhats will save her and make her join.smoker will be saved by aokiji and will join the revolutionary, when luffy meets dragon, he will see smoker there.
last recruit is smoker, dragon will make him join the strawhat crew.shiryu will get jozu's diamond fruit and will kill mihawk (zoro already beat mihawk at the time)
lafitte gets the phoenix fruit of marco.
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@Monkey:
…he already sees the problems with the system.
He's never NOT seen the problems with the system.
He and Tashigi have been our "everymen Marines" since they showed up which narratively speaking is WAY more important than any of those three.
Garp and Sengoku have barely at all been positioned in the struggle. Aokiji has yeah, but guess who he's mainly interacted with...Smoker.yeah, and he is always expressing that problem where he is shown chasing the strawhats–--and amazingly he always ends up helping the strawhats.
while aokiji, garp and sengoku are just always concerned with the WG. theyre in the position the moment akainu assumed fleet admiralship.
and we still dont know what smoker's message to luffy...aokiji still havent revealed it (another thing, aokiji, who is smoker's friend is looking after robin who is in luffy's crew)...if smoker's message is not a shocker then it wouldnt be held this long by oda. something's up...i just knew it the moment luffy said he think smoker is not that bad.
i never doubt for once that there would be a struggle on two sides of marines but i find it hard to fit smoker in the equation...he was being raped by a shichibukai, how in the blue heavens can he fight the WG lords?...its obviously the likes of garp, sengoku, tsuru and aokiji...and yeah, coby, because of coby's special trait.
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@Monkey:
The Marines plot is obviously leading to an internal division between idealistic factions. Oda's been setting this up since forever.
A battle for the soul of the Marines.
Smoker ain't going to to play his clearly large role in this plot by joining the pirate crew.i dont know how large smoker's role will be in the " battle of soul" when aokiji, garp and segoku are larger than what smoker will ever be. all i see is smoker seeing the problems in the system whenever he's with the strawhats.
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@Terry:
I dont want a logia as a Crew member.
Oh wait…seriously, aside from caribou, smoker prolly had the weakest logia in the series.
sorry, i just dont see anyone joining in dressrosa saga.
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it just seemed awkward for me that sabo getting a devil fruit…i can see sabo being a hardening haki god.
it still made the most sense for me (for me, at least) that coby replaces ace, its cool as well, because ace's 2 brothers are working to get the fruit.
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i think sabo will get the fruit now, nevetheless he'll give it to luffy and we will just see sabo again when luffy meets dragon.
anyways, it still ends up with luffy and ultimately, to coby. i know for now its stupid, but i still got coby.
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lets not talk about smoker, people have close minds, any reason i give i will just get insults. all ill say is im still confident with my theory (especially after aokiji said the "youre better off the marines" line to smoker and tashigi is the only villain who got a real dream aside from the strawhats who would require her to travel around the world)
not sayin though that it will happen ASAP, it will happen towards the home stretch of the new world saga imo. but i see how smoker and tashigi's stance develop bit by bit.
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Just saw your sig and thought "Oh, someone who thinks Smoker will become a SH. I'm not the only one."
If I were Luffy I would have killed Usopp. Ain't got no time for insubordination.
been saying that since way before dude.
jinbe, smoker, tashigi and another guy will join new world.
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"They're gonna make a former boss character their partner and head to the New World. _Oda says he's the closest to a human in the series with everyone else being super human.__"
ITS LAW. IIRC 2009 franky was already a member, jinbe, crocodile and other else are monsters._
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hmm..i dont know if guys are baiting me to talk about smoker again. LOL.
i dont need to say anymore, im still confident with it, anyway, just look at my sig…those two just looks perfect with the strawhats. LOL
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@Gia:
No it all started when he couldn't accept that somebody other than him has an opinion. I don't post often on these forums so sometimes etiquette can get a little messy with me. I'm seriously done with him.
AGREED. the dude is just an asshole. i dont really get why mods tolerate him but not guys like us who just contribute some ideas, i lost interest in this forum because of guys like him.
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@Light:
Yeah forget about Monkey King. While I did agree with him this time and can't deny that he's a good debater he likes to take any idea he disagrees with and insult it in front of everyone! He doesn't try the friendly way of explaining things or understand why would anyone disagree with him!
Not very mature if you ask me.that's why he's a dick. this forum sucks because of guys like him.
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@Gia:
Yea I getchya, thanks for being cool about it. Anyways I seriously want this to be a major arc. Mariejois is probably the last place anyone would think of them visiting. It has a lot of character potential, but besides that it could be saved for the end of this manga instead. The reverie will most certainly happen soon though.
but, but, but…the strawhat can just sneak on there and get the F out after. it can be an arc, i believe its gonna be an arc...if shits not going to go down there it would not be that foreshadowed that much.
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i think strawhats are unique in their own personalities and appearance, so i dont see anyone without a unique quality that is a good candidate for a strawhat…
all the guys in dressrosa are more or less got average looks or personality, except for barto----but he got the same hair color as zoro and his attitude is almost franky-ish.
the one that stands out to me to be honest in terms of crazyness and uniqueness is SOL, but he's still not that good of a candidate.
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ill use gear third so much on shirahoshi she will learn a new definition of fish fillet.
its a joke.
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dont mind my sig, thats a long running theory of mine….the only point im trying to make was it would make strawhats more notorious. im sorry this is off topic, lets stop with it. LOL
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…..so you actually want an actual giant in the crew just to represent them? or an actual long arm just to represent them?....i think strawhat crew can only handle 12 people max (an estimate, dont kill me) thats why i say i think its convenient for every strawhats to represent at least one race or an organization.
the only thing that lacks in the crew is a marine. a defected marine to blast their notoriety sky high.
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ussop was taken care of heracles'n who knew things about plants, he acquired that, ussop increased his bravery from his encounter with elbaf giants, he got the dials from skypiea….i think its a clear explanation of what im trying to say....and its convenient because you cant have too much crewmembers.
sanji acquired probably newkama moves, he got the blue walk so he might probably be the fishman of the crew and he got CP9 moves like luffy.
robin got involved with the revolutionaries etc. zoro will probably get power-up at wano. etc. brook's sword came from the long arm tribe...and who knows, maybe he got few skills from them too.
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If Teach can recruit Wolf, why not have the SH's have a giant too?
Although I don't actually think it will happen
chopper is the giant of the crew, and mecha franky.