Posts made by Bad Dreamer

@kewl0210:

I think they've tried to make somewhat of a point of the LEVEL of the item isn't what matters, it's how good it is as an ingredient. That's why Toriko can have something like the Rainbow Fruit on his list when its level is pretty low.

I'd also like to think that all menu ingredients compliment each other. As in The BB corn is a perfect appetizer for the Century soup and so on/so forth to the rainbow fruit.

In another words, Toriko's meat dish will suck (or at least won't be as good) if it was placed in Zebra's Menu & vice versa.

@KrogGar:

I think this argument is abit off. We don't know, what Kurapica did in this long time. Since he allready considerd nen-erasing at a time, where he learned his ability, in the meantime he might also have tryed to finde some informations about some great nen-eraser, so that he could start to think about countermessure against the nen-eraser themself. Or so that he could observe them, watching there steps.

The spiders themself found in a short period an neneraser for Chrollo, and I think that if all friends of Gon would have checked there conections, they would also have found an eraser or an other way to save Gon, in also no time. Also Killua was now the fastest with someone in his family, but also when noone in his family would have had the ability to save Gon, the connections and the knowledge of the family itself would have led him to a solution, how to save Gon.

I think, this all would have been possibilities, but might have taken longer…

It's a "little bit" unfair to join a debate so late. My post was a reply to a reply to a reply to x no. of replies to what I was originally saying, sometimes you go out of your way to prove your point even if you aren't being literal. the point of that comment was to refute RPGJay comment on how _Gon's skill in fending off the Ants and completing Greed Island automatically qualifies his friends to help him. following this chain then your comment about Kurapica is off b/c whatever Kurapica accomplished in his travels has nothing to do w/ Gon fending the ants & completing GI.

Regardless; I'll answer your comment._ _For the nen erasing: so far it has been shown to be costly and not always 100% effective. Also the only nen eraser in the hunter organization said he can't even imagine how this could be lifted/erased. We can't easily assume that there is a nen eraser who would have been able to save Gon. (I'm not saying there isn't, I'm saying that this is debatable at best).

Killua's connections & Leorio (had he became the Chairman) might/may/probably have been helpful, but it'll still leave a sore taste on my mouth that Ging knew the way to help his son & yet stood on the lines leaving it for may be's.

The main problem here would be: even if I conceded that there is a number of ways to save Gon (which I have no real problem with), this will mean that Togashi DID troll us with the whole "Gon is in Danger" angle, b/c it appears that saving him wasn't that hard to begin._

@RPGJay:

Ging left his son as a baby to his sister and mother on Whale Island, leaving only a box that could be activated with Nen that contained a recording that would immediately erase itself once it was over and told Gon he had zero plans to ever see him, specifically programmed Greed Island to tell Gon there was not a clue to find Ging in the game and rigged it so Gon would be sent to Kite if he used Accompany to bring a friend along after winning the game, and even when his own child is right in front of him Ging tries to weasel out of talking to him as soon as possible.

Trust me dude, no one is arguing Ging as a candidate for Father of the Year.

Abandoning your child is one thing and leaving him to die b/c he has friends who might have a way (which you don't know of) to help him is another.

However Ging does recognize Gon's skill in fending off the Ants and completing Greed Island. So knowing that Gon must have amassed some of the single most talented people on earth as allies. So even if Ging did care his help wasn't needed.

You don't seem to understand that if it weren't for Alluka's power WHICH HAS NO RELATION TO ANY THING GON HAS EVER DID IN HIS LIFE, there would be noway for any of Gon friends to save him. Therefore your logic is wrong and if Ging thinks the same way then he's a moron.

You're infering as if the events of this arc regarding Gon's condition weren't dire. This is could not be farther from the truth.

First off Gon's situation was awful. He was going to die. No professional medical help was going to heal him, even at best Knov's help just helped Gon live longer. Even the Hunter association's Nen Eraser could not even save Gon (though Morel mentioned that there were likely other Nen Erasers who weren't showing their face, likely to be those very powerful Nen Erasers mentioned back at the end of York Shin). Someone had to had to save Gon somehow. I merely pointed out that while other solutions do exist such as cards from Greed Island and other methods that could heal Gon that does not mean that it is a simple solution.

Besides while Alluka's power did not have any drawbacks unlike everyone else trying to make a wish, that doesn't change the fact that getting Alluka out of the Zoldyck's mountain, out into the world being under constant surveliance by the Zoldyck butlers (whom were being watched via a scope from Tsubone), and being chased by Illumi and Hisoka all the while. And even then this is not over. Unless something changes Alluka and Killua are going to be hunted down by Illumi so he can utilize her power with Killua's rule-free condition.

You call none of that dire?

I'm concluding it's not dire b/c of the fact that Ging would have saved him if he wanted to (by the use of Angel's Breath of whatever) and yet didn't doing so b/c the situation didn't need it. IF it was that bad Ging would have helped.

1. The first line was already explained by me when I said this:

Your point of "Luffy going back to visit the islands for adventure's sake" isn't going to occur per se as much as it is preparing for a war that will engulf the world. So what exactly am I to gain by rereading your first line again when your ludicrious hypothetical example is not going to occur and thus has no bearing on what we are talking about?

Oh right, nothing.

You win, I'll quote myself for you.
@Bad:

Then you mean to tell me that if Luffy (after he finds One Piece & deals with the after-war)

I mentioned the war as part of OP overarching plot which was established hundreds of chapters ago (starting with the D's). I didn't need you to write 5 lines explaining its importance. I was asking if you'll remain interested EVEN AFTER THE WAR.

2. Your last line of not wanting to see Gon apologize in order to redeem himself from the Ant arc tells me you haven't been paying attention in the slightest to Gon's character for the last 40+ chapters and realize why this is necessary.

But hey if you're not looking forward to that I suppose that's your own horrible taste.

You are speaking about a whole other matter now what I was saying:
@Bad:

Gon has to has a new motivation, and till we learn about it, I'm reserving my decision in holding the series in the same high regards as I do now.

& your reply to me was:
@RPGJay:

In the same fashion Gon may have found his dad but it is not going to be the end of the Gon's adventures nor the end of the series. We're in a bit of a transition period in HxH where the concept of the next arc, and by extension the next goal of the series, is not obvious to us readers yet. However after the apology, which is much need for Gon's character, will give to Kite these things should start to come together gradually.
As I said, we're undergoing some transition chapters where the next stop for the series is not apparent yet. It's not entirely unlike the time spent between the Tower and York Shin arcs where there was no direct immediate goal for the future. The only difference is these chapters are taking longer because there are plot threads that need to be resolved, world building being done using the election and the zodiac, the importance of a new Chairman, etc etc..

So you took so many words to explain what I already said in so little, hence I told you to read my post before repeating things.

I don't know why you're making it seem as if I had conceded a point. As I pointed out that we are in transition chapters where we don't know the next destination of the story. Therefore the next arc could go to Kurapika's story, Gon and Killua returning to Kurapika again is an inevitability, but again, as I keep mentioning as of right now it has nothing to do with Gon and Killua's story. While it goes without saying that their meeting will happen, it is not a certainty that it will occur any time soon as of yet.

You certainly have no hope for your idea of having the long term focus switch over from Gon and Killua to Kurapika or Hisoka just because you find them boring for whatever reason.

@Bad:

My only hope atm is that the focus shifts to Hisoka or Kurapika as mains for some time (I had enough w/ both Gon & Killua) and even that is far from likely to happen.

Focus shifting doesn't mean it'll be for the next 100 chapters, even a couple of chapters is fine (heck, I even gave the example w/ the Ryodans appearance in the ants arc & Leorio appearance in the elections), and even that I KNOW it won't happen b/c now we'll have to deal with Gon's apology & Alluka's situation. So, yo were saying???

…so you didn't read my response to this at all did you?

Ging realized Pariston would be able to use stalling tactics if he needed to because all of the hunters were locked into the building until a winner was chosen. Ging realized this before Pariston used any of that, that is precisely the reason why Ging thought "this is bad" far before the Nen blast. While again Ging was not aware of Alluka specifically nor did he know there would be a Nen blast of sorts, Ging did know that Gon would inevitably be healed and if Gon didn't show up at the election building before the final vote was counted (which would certainly make Pariston lose the election) Pariston would do anything to stall for time and there's nothing anyone could do about it, Ging included.

That is what Ging's "this is bad" was referring to and why it occured prior to Pariston actually using stalling tactics.

At this point I alreasy know I'm wasting my time with you. You are not reading my reply, or processing the words before posting them. I will explain this one final time and you are free to overlook my words as always:
If Pariston hadn't felt Nanika's nen he wouldn't have started wasting time. At the time Ging said his word Pariston had already conceded defeat long time ago. His hope returned only on 333 when he felt the nen & looked at Ging. Parsiton (who just started wasting time by then) said 1 chapter later that he wasn't god and he needed Gon to come out quickly b/c he can't waste time forever. So stop saying that as of 331 Parsiton was plannng to waste time. Mugiwara no Ice alraedy gets that & he brought a new point to the discussion so stop dragging it to backwards.

@RobbyBevard:

No. I said the exact opposite.

He knows that exists, he knows which ever person was in charge of making that card work, (since ALL the cards, including the teleporters, are clearly based on someone powering them) and he could have called in a favor if he felt it was needed. But he had faith in his son and his friends to deal with it on their own.

After all, if he knows of a miracle cure all, there's bound to be others. He didn't know the specifics of how Gon's friends would deal with it, but he knew they would. And they did.

If the situation had degraded and he was told "Gon only has five minutes to live", he would have done more presumably.

You mean that he knew how to save Gon & choose not to b/c he thought Gon's friends may/might/probably know a way as well!!! WOW, you are taking the meaning of a "piece of shit dad" to a whole new level. Did you see Gon's condition? anymore worse would probably mean he'd be dead already. Even Ging shouldn't be that heartless.

Because he looked at Gon's VERY CAPABLE ELITE HUNTER friends, who had conquered Greed Island and dealt with the ants, (and who knows what else the elder hunters have done) knew the entire resources of the foundation were keeping Gon alive in the hospital, and that it was covered. He trusted in his son to hold on, and in his friends to do the rest. Ging had probably been in similar situations himself.

It didn't matter if it was Killua, Leroio, Knuckle, Biscuit, or even Hisoka that had the answer, but one of them would figure out something.

If Gon had been put into the hospital and there weren't dozens of THE BEST AND MOST TALENTED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD surrounding him, he might have prioritized differently.

This will mean that Ging didn't do anything, b/c he thought the situation was not dire enough to require his assistance, which would in retrospect "piss" on the entire arc. b/c if it was really THAT bad Ging would have interfered.

@RPGJay:

You're skimming over/misinterpreting mine and Robby's words. Ging had absolute faith that Gon was going to be healed, he just did not know by what means. Ging certainly was not aware of Alluka's powers but you forget the HxH world is full of unique abilities that could've saved Gon. It did not necessarily had to be Alluka's power, there exist things like Archangel's Breath from Greed Island or the foreshadowed Nen Erasers from waaaay back that are so powerful that they can remove the effects of Nen after death. It just happened to be Killua using Alluka's power that saved him.

Pariston had certainty in this because Ging did, which is consequently what won him the election.

Look at my answers above.

Komugi is the same as both Neon and Alluka because they all use Nen abilities but they themselves are not aware of Nen. But it's a moot point either way, I just wanted to point out that Alluka's ability really isn't that "hax" to anyone who isn't Killua. After all, the Zoldycks were terrified of Alluka enough to lock her up until Killua intervened.

Exactly, it IS a moot point & it IS Killua who's using her power atm.

Which again, Alluka's power is very likely not to make it past this arc anyways so I don't really see the problem with it (no pun intended).

Her power was already used to save the protagonist from otherwise an unsolvable condition without any draw back. The damage is already done. And before you through the "Angel breath" card at me, I'll repeat that if the solution was so simple then Togashi was trolling us the entire arc repeating that Gon's situation is dire. Either way it's a bad cop out to have a solution for any physical damage to any character in the series.

Once again you're missing the point entirely.

Whitebeard explicitly told us during the War that the discovery of One Piece will trigger another, larger war. So One Piece is not going to end after Luffy accomplishes his goal and "obtains" One Piece even if he is not aware of it. There is certainly going to be another adventure as a result of that and Luffy is going to be all for it.

Before accusing me of "missing the point", you should at least read my post before quoting it, heck at least read the first line.

In the same fashion Gon may have found his dad but it is not going to be the end of the Gon's adventures nor the end of the series. We're in a bit of a transition period in HxH where the concept of the next arc, and by extension the next goal of the series, is not obvious to us readers yet. However after the apology, which is much need for Gon's character, will give to Kite these things should start to come together gradually.

Now you need to read the last line.

Which is precisely why I said in my last post "as of right now". It's entirely possible that the next arc could see the return of Kurapika and the Spiders. If not immediately it definitely will be in the future.

So, I DO have the right to hope for it… That's so very generous of you.

Because Ging realized at the end of Chapter 331 that if everyone is locked in the building until a new Chairman is chosen Pariston can pull any kind of delaying tactic he wanted to. And sure enough when the final election was about to begin and Gon had still not shown up yet, he did buy some time.

You don't get it yet. Ging said "this is bad" "BEFORE" Nanika's nen blast, Pariston knew Gon will be healed & started wasting time "AFTER" Nanika's nen blast. GING SAID SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN 2 CHAPTERS BEFORE PARISTON NOTICED HE CAN TURN THE TIDES OF THE ELECTIONS & STARTED WASTING TIME. now if the capital letters don't explain it for you, then I give up.

@Mugiwara_no_Ice:

Ever heard of Hunter-sense.

http://www.mangareader.net/207-14232-7/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-223.html
Here you see Netero knowing exactly what was said and who had come, from miles and miles away.

It's been shown again and again that extraordinary hunters have this weird intuition.

Ging just sensed/believed that Gon wouldn't die. Call it divination, intuition, or whatever, but it isn't something new at all.

Thank you. At least you are bringing something new to the discussion, I was afraid non of my points are coming through at all.

If this "Intuition" is something established in the series so many times, then please do provide more examples. I can't remember any (beside the one that you just mentioned). The timing would be perfect though b/c Ging said his sentence just 1 page after Killua & Alluka reached to the hospital, but I need more evidence (as you said it was shown again & again :P).

@RobbyBevard:

God you people are fickle. Two weeks ago "Oh my god, this series is better than One Piece, it's peerless at the moment and Oda is totally sucking right now". Two chapters later "Oh its crap. Is it going on hiatus again? What an ass. One Piece is finally good again though!"

It's honestly true though. up to 333 HxH had an edge over OP in FI, now OP is starting a new promising arc while the conclusion of the 2 highlights of HxH atm (the elections & healing Gon) were handled in not a very satisfying way. People usually react to these sort of things.

Stories have highs and lows, build ups and climaxes. This arcs climax was killua revealing he could wish for Gon to be healed without a cost… which called Illumi off... FOR THE MOMENT. But now, that battle which had just started, was put on hold.... now that's going to escalate and have much bigger and more personal consequences.

Yes the arc is far from over, but people need to see things escalate before jumping to the "this is awesome" bandwagon. And on the other hand you have people saying: "HXH is a Holy Bible in shonen fandom period, It's not the shonen manga we deserve, but it's the shonen manga we need" which forces you to be more vocal with your criticism (as I said: fanboys make me sick).

Ging didn't forsee anything. He just saw that Gon had gathered competant loyal friends who would do everything they needed to save him, and so he trusted in them, sicne there wasn't exactly anything he could do personally. Ging was aware Gon had beaten Greed Island and fought the ants, so he could trust in their ability, as well as Gon's ability to survive. (and the full might of the Hunter organization behind them.)

Allow me to disagree. We (the readers) know Gon & his friends much better than Ging, we had no idea that Gon could be saved (pre-Alluka), and Ging should has been the same. But no, he was quite confident (not hoping) that Gon will be healed. I understand you might not agree with this, so I'll ask you to explain Ging's statement: "this is bad" in 331 if it wasn't: "Hell, Gon is gonna heal & he'll come her before the election is finished and I'll have to meet him'.

Heck, he knows about the angel healing card on greed island, and thats a nen ability, so he knows there's people out there capable of dealing with it… even if he didn't know the specific solution that Gon's friends would find.

You mean to till me that he (GI main founder) didn't know how to utilize something similar to the angel's breath (or whatever was its name) and yet he "assumed" Gon's friends would!!! excuse me but that's BS.

@RPGJay:

Friends who did end up restoring him mind you. I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill for Ging's resolve that "Gon's my son and he has friends to help him so he won't die". Which again, he turned out to be completely right even if he did not predict the exact means of how Gon would be recovered. Pariston predicted this too based on Ging's words.

Killua saved him by using a unique power not witnessed before in the HxH world (by the reactions of anyone who saw it, unless of course if you are assuming Aluka's power is something common), which is a factor Ging should have no means of putting into account. Gon's friends had no means of saving him that we know of. Now unless Ging knew about Alluka before hand then his confidence doesn't make sense at all. And I repeat that Ging "knew" Gon will be healed & I'll get to that again at the end of the post.

If I'm not mistaken, you were inquiring about how Neon and Alluka's abilities don't make sense in a Nen restrictions world. I merely pointed out that Komugi was another example like Neon of how one doesn't have to necessarily know the true scope of Nen in order to have an ability.

Extra ordinary brilliance in sports is something not so uncommon in our real world, that's why (personally) I didn't give much thought to Komugi's "talents". If you see them the same as Aluka & Neon's nen abilities, then you are entitled to your opinion.

While keeping in mind that these people are very extreme outliers their abilities do make perfect sense due to the level of conditions that the ability has been set with, even if those people themselves are not completely aware of it.

Guess what? there is a cheap way to bypass Alluka's conditions, take my word for it

You've completely missed the point of the two series. Gon's quest to see his father was a goal but it is not the endgame goal of Hunter X Hunter, it is the adventure. In the same fashion Luffy's goal is to find One Piece, but as we've both pointed out he wants the adventure of getting there.& The point to remember is that in both scenarios the manga does not end when they reach their goal. Luffy is going to "obtain" One Piece of sorts when he gets to Raftel but the adventure is not going to end there. Gon is not going to stop his adventure either just because he finally found his father.

Then you mean to tell me that if Luffy (after he finds One Piece & deals with the after-war) decided to go back to try all the islands he missed in the grandline for the sake of adventure you'd still be interested??? again I can't complain, you are entitled to your opinion. But to make myself perfectly clear: I UNDERSTAND that the fun is in the adventure itself, but (in the series where there is an overarching goal) I also enjoy seeing the characters getting closer to their destination throughout the series. Characters wandering aimlessly after having a goal is minus in my book, so hate me for it. Gon has to has a new motivation, and till we learn about it, I'm reserving my decision in holding the series in the same high regards as I do now.

The closest thing to a father figure Gon ever had was more or less killed in front of him. The apology is meant for Gon's own peace of mind. Knowing Kite is alive, even if he has been altered somehow, being able to apologize to him is meant to resolve Gon's mental state for good from the events of the Ant arc. Like Ging said it was mostly Kite's fault but Gon just needs to do it anyway so he can properly move on.

Not interested in seeing that, sorry.

Well then that's more of a personal issue. I personally still enjoy Killua and Gon as the leads of this story. It's inevitable that they will run into Kurapika again in the future, but as of right now his story has nothing to do with Gon and Killua's events.

Neither did Leorio & Ging pre-election arc, but Togashi throw them in anyway. If Togashi wanted it he'd make it happen (heck, he threw the Ryodans in the middle of the ants arc), and as a reader I'm entitled to my own "fantasies".

Ging said "this is bad" at the end of Chapter 331 because he knew what Pariston was going to do. He was going to (and did) stall the election until Gon was healed and walked through the door, which would cost Leorio the victory.

Read 334 again. Pariston came to the conclusion that Gon might be coming now and started dragging the elections only after nanika's nen blast, Ging indicated something bad will happen 2 chapters before that. WHY?

Also you & Robby should give Pariston's words some weight. He was confident that Gon will be healed b/c Ging told him so. Yet you keep telling me that Ging didn't know it and was just waiting for a miracle of some sort.

@taboo:

im so american i have so much fucking manga FREEDOM

SO MUCH FREEDOM

AMERCIA

WOW, really… I'm so jealous you can't even describe it... good for you.

ALSO I HAVE SO MUCH MONEY LOOK AT ME SO RICH AFFORDING 26$ A YEAR

Don't forget that your 26$ are worthless if you weren't american. That's why you are better than the rest of us & it's so sweet. I am really really jealous… If only

@Mugiwara_no_Ice:

They are not in the slightest the same.Finding one piece is a literal and figurative ending of the whole story, it s a huge plot device and the whole world revolves around it.Finding Ging doesn't have such importance for the flow of the story, and if you want proof, you just got it. Gon met Ging one chapter ago - Do you wanna stop reading now? Do you think HxH lost its soul and should end asap? No, because the story is (I said it again and again) about hunters doing huntery stuff in a great HxH-world.

I didn't lose my interest in HXH but I honestly lost interest in Gon's adventure, as I just said I'm really hoping for a change in the main protagonist (again, I'm quite sure that won't happen, I just wish it). The story started with Gon searching for his father & we (I!) followed his adventures knowing this to be his goal. Now that this goal has no more meaning, It'll depend on what will be Gon's new motivation/goal, I might drop the series all together if I don't like it (except may be the parts when he's less involved).

@RPGJay: I just wanted to add that Ging DID foresee Gon's recovery, how else would you explain his: "this is bad" when he knew that he'll be stuck in the election room till the end?

@Pookiez:

It's not really any different from Aisa being born with observation haki, and that worked well for One Piece.

If you look at Neon even now she has never even understood that her power was from nen.

Just b/c something similar happened in OP doesn't make it good. I didn't like Aisa being born w/ CoO as much as I didn't like Ace being born w/ CoQ. But the difference here is that those weren't really a major plot points and they can be ignored easily (just like how you can easily ignore Pell's survival) and the same can be said about Neon. However Alluka already has a huge impact on the story.

@RPGJay:

Not really. Ging had absolute faith Gon would be healed but he didn't foresee Gon being wished back to health.

& Where did that faith come from? oh, yeah… it came b/c Gon had friends... really convincing.

Neon had no idea her powers were based around Nen. To a lesser extent neither did Komugi.

Besides as we've been saying in this thread for awhile (and as these last few chapters regarding Illumi and Alluka have pointed out) there's no way Killua can honor his promise to be together with Alluka as long as It's powers are still intact. So either something big is going to happen soon or this promise is going to end tragically.

That has nothing to do w/ anything I said.

The main goal of Hunter X Hunter is not just Gon finding his father, it's about Gon just wanting to explore the world as a Hunter. If Gon had really wanted to find Ging sooner he would've done things like inquired more about Ging's location from Kite when he had the chance. Or like with Greed Island Gon was explicitly told there was not a clue in the game about how to find Ging and Gon was okay with that. Granted we later learn that was partially a lie since winning the game would allow a way to see Ging but Gon had no idea about that until he won.

I already had this discussion before on this board sometime ago & I'm not gonna repeat myself, if you are interested feel free to check my post history in the old HxH thread, it's not that long.
To give you the short version: Gon's behavior to getting info about Ging location from Kite is identical to Luffy's behavior to getting info about One Piece from Rayleigh. Now if Luffy wake up one day & found himself on raftel w/ One Piece (whatever it is) in his hands/reach and decided to move on & continue adventure anyway, would you retain your interest in the series? If yes, then OK, you're entitled to your own opinion.

And apologizing to Kite is a big deal. It's like having Luffy see Shanks killed in front of his eyes, you can't just walk away from that. Even if Kite's memories are likely gone it is still an important event that has to be done.

For the life of me I can't understand what Gon want to apologize for? for being weak? Ging perfectly explained that it's Kaito's fault. If so then his apology is stupid and I'm not interested in seeing it. Besides; what is his apology will resolve anyway?

So your hopes are that the story switches from the two main characters whom have been the central and most important focus of the entire series to either one man's revenge quest which at the moment has absolutely nothing to do with the current story or to an omnisexual mass murdering psychopath who lives just to plan his next kill?

I'm bored with these 2 main characters atm. I want to see more from one who actually has a target he's seeking and another who I consider an entertaining character. I'm not saying it's gonna actually happen, even though I do expect that Togashi has something in his mind for Kurapika.

@Zp1: you made great points. "Some" of our american friends who are subscribed to SJA can continue having pride on their high horses, feeling superior to the measly pirate parasites who read their manga for free and being happy with themselves for supporting VIZ if that makes their day, but if the discussion is about if what VIZ is doing is the best business approach, you won't find any one raising any good point to counter yours.

What I'm really curious about is why wasn't other manga sharing sites who out-lived & out-scoped (quantity wise) mangastream taken down? I know they aren't scanlating manga or being vocal about themselves, but they are far from being underground,. Heck if you googled manga: mangafox & mangareader are right there on the top!

Fanboys make me sick.

This arc holds no merit since Ging "foresaw" how Gon will be healed. Fortune telling girl "born with it" abilities didn't make much sense in the nen-restrictions world, and now we have another one who's even far more hax… Brilliant.

Killua can order his way out of anything. Heck, Illumi is alive right now only b/c Killua let him be, Killua can easily order nanika to take them to the end of the world not to be seen again. But I agree w/ Robby, Alluka won't be around for long. She'll either die, have her power sealed or the series will end all together. In any case, Togashi is clearly out of fuel, he'll be taking a stop sooner rather than later.

Gon already met Ging, and now his current goal in the series is to apologize to little girl Kaito... SHIT is bound to happen!!!
After that he apparently has nothing to do in the series anymore, unless Hisoka thinks that he's ready (And no, I don't wanna see him running after Killua... AGAIN).

My only hope atm is that the focus shifts to Hisoka or Kurapika as mains for some time (I had enough w/ both Gon & Killua) and even that is far from likely to happen.

EDIT: Was Tsubone crying in the last page? & Why was she ordered back? (she couldn't follow them even if she were ordered to, but still!)

Not sure this is really a spoiler, but I'll tag it just in case.

! "Some" indoctrinated rachni will be an enemy in ME3 regardless if you spared the queen in ME or not. The only speculation atm if the queen & her rachni will return as allies if you spared her (which is more than likely considering her message in ME2).
As for favorite squad mates: In ME my Vanguard had to had Garrus for the Decryption (he was way better than Tali & Kaidan in combat) and Liara for the Biotics. Wrex would replace Liara if more firepower was needed.
In ME2: My soldier gave me all the ammo powers I needed, so Grunt, Jacob & Zaeed went to the shelf, pure biotics were not 'that" useful so I rarely used Samara or Jack. I always kept Miranda (team damage post w/ both Wrap & Overload, what more can you ask for?) & I'd alternate between Kasumi (who was awesome btw), Garrus, Thane, Tali (only in geth/mechs heavy missions) & Mordin (to a lesser degree).

@RobbyBevard:

The goofiest part of the greed island naming is most early translations did Ging's name as "Jing". That… didn't work so well when it got to that point.

And the weirdest part was how Ging is spelled Nigg when you take the first letter to the end. That didn't make sense in english at all, though it make sense in some other languages.

@noonethere:

Actually sometimes ago in another forum, someone posted this page showing one of the GI shop similar to Ickshonpay, so yes you are probably right.

Good find. & now that you mention it, Ickshonpay is probably one of Greed Island founders. I think he's the "I" in "Island".

@Sâuza:

I'm sorry but i fail to see the difference in here. You mean he can beat em one by one but not if he fights em at once ?
If so then Midora's words are pretty clear i believe : "You all cannot stop that old man" >> He'll beat the crap out of everyone if they try to stop him.

Even if we take Midora's words for granted (which we probably should, despite the possibility that he might be exaggerating), it would simply "suck" to have all the top bishokukai beaten to pulp (like fodders) by Ichiryuu this early in the series (heck, we haven't even seen what most of them can do).

To put it in even clearer terms:

• Ichiryuu "can" defeat them all: most likely yes.

• Ichiryuu "will" defeat them all (on or off screen): no.

@Cyclone_Baroness:

Side question is Cheadle a beast thing? Or is she human? The Zodiacs are odd.

Is Cheadle even confirmed to be a female? (w/ Togashi I can never tell!)

@No:

I however did.

Look it up

You knew that wasn't targeted at you, but you wanted to go for the…..joke I guess. :ninja:

@Sâuza:

Thanks but what confused me is the fact that you took it literally, since Silverblade was exaggerating about Ichiryuu slaughtering all the Bishokukai.

So did Nekketsu (or so I think).

[RANT]

! By "exaggerating" you might mean that Silverblade was asking if Ichiryuu is gonna defeat all the Bishokukai without killing them (where the reply will still be no), or he was asking if Ichiryuu is strong enough to beat them all (where the reply will be yes). Too much effort to analyze, hypothesize & assume only to be shrugged off by others saying I didn't say that.
! It's much easier to take the words literally (unless obvious sarcasm was noted) and have people explain that they didn't mean it that way, than to make your own assumptions only to be accused of putting words in other people mouths [/RANT]

@Sâuza:

What ?

Sauza: _You were a good man Ichiryuu. (as in Ichiryuu will die).

Nekketsu:_ He'll survive.

Silverblade: Are you trying to imply Ichiryuu will slaughter every other antagonist and villain aside from Midora and Alfaro on the spot? Nekketsu: I didn't say that.

Silverblade: _After reading the chapter, I have to admit you could have and remained right.

ME: If he said that Ichiryuu will slaughter every villain aside from Midora & few others, he'd have been wrong b/c it will be dumb (of Shiba) to kill all villains like that, BESIDES Nekketsu never said that Ichiryuu will slaughter all the villains in the first place, therefore Nekketsu gave Silverblade a perfect answer.

Hope this helps_

@Silverblade:

After reading the chapter, I have to admit you could have and remained right.

Your question was if Ichiryu is gonna slaughter all the villains (not if he can do it), the reply to this is: no (even if he can do it), killing all the villains (save 3 or 4) this way is kind of dump, so I think he answered you perfectly.

@Wagomu:

Rules 1-7 and 10 have no relevant room for interpretation. The trick lies in 8 and 9 which detail the process of deciding the chairman. In rule 8, Pariston is given control over rule 9, which lets him determine who becomes hunters. He knows he's won so long as he has a stalemate until his little pets become hunters. Then, he either has their support and can win by majority or they are disloyal and apathetic towards the election so he has eternal stalemate and can stay in power permanently. Cheadle plays by the rules and wants a victory, so there's no way she could win under these circumstances. Right now, though, Pariston still doesn't have control over the majority, so he's stalling for time. If he tries anything underhanded, he can be removed by a simple majority. This is the greatest source of his weakness. The one chance they have for victory is a victory by majority in the top 4 election. Pariston probably won't stall the elections yet because every day he can get counts. Stalling the vote any sooner will make people lose trust faster and he's working against the majority. Since Cheadle has the least control over Leorio's votes (which are most likely people rebelling in the first place), her only chance for 100% victory is not for herself to win, but to give the remaining votes to Leorio.

Very good analysis. but what I'm curious about 2 points:

1- Who decided that the meeting will continue till the new chairman is elected? my guess would be Cheadle, but if so then why Pariston doesn't seem to be phased at all? (even Ging gave some reaction)

2- Why did Ging say "this is bad"? Did he want Pariston plan to work out, or Does he have other concerns?

As far as we know, I don't think Pariston was planning to stall the elections till the new ants become hunters from the very beginning, simply b/c the one who made the elections in this "stall-able" format is the devil known as Ging with his 95% condition.

Why wasn't Portal 2 added to best game category?

@Cyber-Robin:

Fable 3 wasn't last year was it? I remember getting it in 2010.

PC version came only in 2011, but I guess the Xbox version was released late 2010.

Best Video Game: Portal 2
Worst Video Game: Fable 3

@RobbyBevard:

You're reading the line without any of the context of the surrounding scene. He is talking about Tsubone, since because of her, he can no longer make a request to Aluka without staying completely within the whims of his parents and bodyguard.

Being able to order someone, and having 100% control of the situation, are two different things. Her being the the current requestee took away some of his power over the situation, and meant he HAD to cooperate with her at that point. He wasn't planning to run from her and try to escape or anything, but it diminished his overall options a little.

It was an inconvenience, rather than a disaster.

If he can give orders to Tsubone, he could have easily ordered her not to hide from Aluka before completing the 3 requests, no need to even consider it an "inconvenience". The way I see it he CAN'T order Tsubone, which leaves only Aluka.

And given "the context" in the next chapters when he wasn't even sure that Tsubone was still following him, I doubt that he was speaking about giving her an order to show up & fulfill Aluka's requests (while he himself is trying to escape from her).

In any case; his "I can't make a wish but I can give an order" is enough evidence for me that he is speaking only about Aluka .

@Fire Fist:

What he meant was that he could have ordered Tsubone to come back and finish answering Alluka's "pesterings", or ordered any of the other butlers to do what he asks. He's still their master, regardless of his ability to wish.

The way it was phrased makes it obvious that he was speaking only about Aluka "Even if I can't make a request (to Aluka), I can still give an order (to her)". Unless you are assuming that the translation wasn't accurate.

Also if he can order Tsubone around that easily, he shouldn't have been so troubled that Aluka/it made the request to her to begin with.

I thought the final rule would be that Killua can make requests/wishes even without the pestering.

My only proof is this: http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/76466254/20 & b/c Killua said that he is hiding the "final" rule I don't think the zoldycks are immune to the "bad" pestrings.

@Katzztar:

Edit= Who are people talking about when mentioning "Crane"? I can't remember any Vice-Admiral called that and OP wikia doesn't list anyone called that.

Vice admiral Tsuru (the only female V.A.)

@KiShiDo:

brennen and Co will be pleased

I thought of reporting it. but it's neither harassing post nor spam. Could qualify for trolling though.

First of all you should not post what is supposed to be a spoiler in the manga section.

Secondly: I never saw that picture before, but still this is 100% fake.

Third: the spoiler summary doesn't make any sense. How can the next chapter cut away from FI so suddenly, and who the hell would report the SH doings to the marines.

With the soon to come chapter and the expected conclusion of this thread, I think Jinbe fans should prepare a celebration song to close this thread with a bang.

I know a certain mod(s) and some members would (rightfully) prefer to see the thread thrown into oblivion, but a celebration song for the guys who were right for 1~2 years feels like the best conclusion.

@ponx:

I doubt that it was just to buy time, Coco seems to have a definite plan on winning this game. Either by gaining higher score or forcing Livebearer to concede. (or both, gaining a higher score so Livebearer will be forced to hit a card and take whatever poisonous ingredient left).

Anyway, here's something I did with my spare time. I think we can get a better perspective on how things will play out with it

! | ToriCocoMatsu | | |
| - Cherringo | 10 | |
| - Smashroom | 20 | |
| - Watermelon Clam | 10 | |
| - Pudding Mountain | 150 | |
| - Summer Whiskey | 50 | (traded out) |
| - Bullet Acorn | 70 | |
| - Atlas Crab | 30 | |
| - Wisdom Panda | 250 | (joker) |
| - Garlic Crab | 200 | (traded in) |
| - Dynamidragonfly | 30 | |
| - Troll Cheese | 10 | |
| - Nitro Cherry | 10 | (joker) |
| Total | 840 | |
| | | |
| Livebearer | | |
| - Sausage Worm | 50 | |
| - Trumpet Mushroom | 70 | |
| - Melon Egg | 100 | |
| - Rockmadillo | 70 | |
| - Poison Lizard | 150 | |
| - Garlic Crab | 200 | (traded out) |
| - Rock Potato | 60 | |
| - Brain Urchin | 30 | |
| - Numblemon | 200 | |
| - Taste Ant | 40 | |
| - Bubble Fruit | 20 | |
| - Gold Shrimp | 200 | |
| - Summer Whiskey | 50 | (traded in) |
| Total : | 1240 | |
| | | |
| Table | | |
| - Electric Banana | 180 | |
| - Rock Lizard | 50 | |
| - Poison Potato | 10 | |
| - Sea Urchin Rat | 10 | |
| - Caesar Snake | 10 | |
| Total | 260 | |

So with Nitro Cherry, they would have a 400 score difference. Assuming they take another 200 point ingredient their score would be at 1040. But everything depends on what they give to Livebearer to get that 200 point. Out of all the remaining ingredients, why did Coco pick the cheese? I'm just guessing, but prolly the cheese would have a certain reaction when mixed with alcohol and some other ingredient (which Livebearer ate in one of his cards).

Thanks for the summary, it sure clears things up.

Any ideas on why did Livebearer avoid the Dynamidragonfly? it can't recall anything said about it being a miss card or even a really difficult ingredient!

Not mentally challenged but as the arabs say tafkeer mutakalif, Aggressive and such. You may not be able to see it because you have lived in the environment for too long, or haven't seen it yet (if you don't live there)

I have been both in & out. I lived in Egypt for 22 years & I have been 3 years outside. And NO the Egyptians don’t have “tafkeer mutakhalef” (in eng: retarded way of thinking).

I’m not saying the Egyptian minds are the world’s elite. Egypt surely has its share from dump asses. But seriously; calling me, my family, my friends, everyone I know and another 70 million population mentally challenged/retard is unjustifiable insult.
I’d like to keep this conversation light hearted & all, but do you seriously expect me to listen to this and look the other way???

Here comes my "corrupted" part, many more other than myself predicted that this would happen (months ago) and the whole change in constitution or whatever they are doing to remove all problems from them

You don’t start an all out war against your own military b/c you suspect (or even expect) a bad intention, especially that many of your requests have been granted during those months of patience. And you keep your good faith even more when you see how painful it was for Libya and Syria when their army gave them up.

Was there people doubting the military council intentions?
Of course there was a reasonable doubt. But there was nothing conclusive to amass the people in the streets again.

That was all well and dandy after those 18 days of protest.

Again you don’t seem to understand the situation at the time. The opposition THEMSELVES didn’t want to rush the elections. All political parties (except the muslim brotherhood) wanted more time to prepare themselves for the elections. Even today after 9 months they didn’t reach to the people enough. The Military council “HAD” to be trusted to run the country during this transition period. The only other solution was a ruling civil council which wasn’t a really practical solution for many (myself included).

In one way or the other; Things “had” to go the way it went, and from now on no one knows what’ll happen tomorrow.

@bartholemew:

Truth be told the same can and is said about the Libyans. Give them guns and they will catch you a Saif. But most of them are still tafkeer mutakhalif wa primitive.
but i guess that is what you expect after a terrible education for so long.

Oh, so you don't hold it against egyptians exclusively but against the arabs as general!
I still reject this point of view. I was raised under the same undeniably defected education system, but life has in it much more than just school.Today I live in another country surrounded by people from all around the world and I assure you I don't feel inferior at all (nor that I should) to other people who had a more than likely a better education than me.

At the end of it, my only point is that you don't get to generalize such offenses. this coming from another arab is specially painful to me, because if you think like this then what would you expect from others who believe that arabs live in tents & ride camels.

@asm00200:

But in reality, Egyptians are both cool and… (dangerous :ninja:).

You got that right. :devil:

! (Secretly plotting to the unfortunate accident that cost us the life of our dear beloved Kuma) :ninja:

@bartholemew:

Egypt has always been a fucked up country, 90 percent of them are under-developed mentally and the other 10% abuse the system with connections and dictatorship.

:blink:… Dude, I don't know from where did you come up with that perception, but I'm neither mentally challenged nor corrupt. Neither have been egypt a "fucked up country".

"Military in power - disaster". Agreed, but you don't seem to be aware of (or rather forgotten) all the developments since January.

Since the beginning of the revolution the army took the side of the people. not a single bullet was shot by a soldier against the protesters. After Mubarak stepped down the spokesman of the military council gave on national tv a military salute to the martyrs of the revolution, confirming that the revolution was from the people and that they (military council) will surrender the power to a civil government within 6 months through democratic elections.

At this point all the people's requests seemed to have been fulfilled. Mubarak was ousted and then put to trial, the government resigned, the NBD was no more and all his top corrupt members were thrown in prison and all that jazz. There was no real reason to doubt the military council except for conspiracy theorists. Having them ruln the country in (the unavoidable) transition period only made sense, specially that there was no one else qualified to assume power .

Now months later the reality has kicked in, the situation now is much darker than it was 8 months ago, but the people seem to be ready for a revolution round 2. That is unless the military council give in to his earlier promises.

Yep, it was back to the days of tear gas cans & rubber bullets all over again. Now after the people started flooding to tahrir square in numbers (when they attacked earlier there were only a few hundred/a couple of thousands) they announced a “truce” and said that people can demonstrate in the square without being attacked.

The most frustrating/funny/sickening part is that the military council statements after this incident is basically just trolling ala Mubarak style. That and we’re supposed to have parliament elections in 1 week, so why the heck do they to use violence at this point?

@tigerlilly:

I heard that the people in Egypt are also more than unsatisfied with the way the military is acting, it looks like a change of constitution is planned to protect the military from scutiny. Tomorrow a (hopefully peaceful) mass demonstration is suppopsed to be held in the Liberation Square. *Link* I wonder how many people will attend; this will be a good indicator of how badly the military's government is perceived.

Yes, people are not satisfied with the military council and yes, there was a peaceful mass demonstration on friday.

Supposedly the issuance of the document in question which gives the military constitutional privileges is postponed till after the parliament elections which is good.

What will happen next? only time will tell.

When it comes to Syria, they have been kicked out of the arab league yesterday. And today we had organised troops of renegades attacking military buildings of the Syrian government.
Russia finally shows a reaction and called for an urgent meeting with Syria. But I'm not sure if they are actually planning to make Assad stop.

This may be only my old pessimistic self; but I can't see Assad stepping down. he has too much blood on his hands by now and he seems to still believe that he can stop the protests, which is also not likely. Whatever Russia has to say (if any) will have no effect on him (unless a UN decision is in the making), then the best case scenario will be a painful bloody war like Libya.

If only these people were not so much obsessed with power. Things would have been easy.

@Monkey:

I'm glad we're going to have international observers after all in Egypt. I remember they announced earlier in the year that they were going to not have any, which was like a the biggest red flag ever for "bullshit democracy". But they obviously changed that very bad idea.

Actually tbh I didn't hear anything about international observers in the coming parliament elections. I cross checked with some friends and they didn't hear it either. Though there will be full judicial supervision (by egyptian judges) on the elections, which is what everyone have been asking for for years now and was never granted before. also the situation this time is kinda different than before as the NDB no longer exists (officially), and there is no affection between the military council and any existing party. So election fraud is no longer a given (at least I hope so)

@Cyan:

http://www.npr.org/2011/11/16/142373976/egyptian-groups-plan-mass-anti-military-protests Egypt working out kinks.

The document was nerfed today morning, which is good news in itself. But it's still kinda disappointing that things change to better only when a shout out for a big protest is made.

Source: (sorry, couldn't find a source in english)
http://www.shorouknews.com/news/view.aspx?cdate=16112011&id=54079530-a4aa-4be7-80ef-ed08c8d19672

@Silverblade:

Hunter x Hunter has returned in issue #34 or #35. Sengoku Armors got cancelled in #31, Hanasaka Ikkyu - in #38. Meanwhile, three other series started in #30, #31 and #39. Right now Weekly Shonen Jump has 20 series published in it.

I see, so the no. of series/ issue is more flexible rather than fixed. Good to hear that.

Thanks for the info.

Finally. Down with the murderer. the least he deserved.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/10/20111020111520869621.html

@choperman:

idk about how they usually do it, but from what I've heard hunter x hunter is all about the volume sales, that are ridiculous, it probably doesn't matter if he gets bottom 5 for life cause one volume of his will probably outsell 3 - 4 volumes of Bleach, that man makes bank

I'm not asking if HxH is in danger from getting canned as I'm sure it's safe.

I'm asking if another series was canned (when HxH returned from hiatus) to allow HxH a spot or was it added to the current line of running manga?

@Cyan:

Look on the bright side. If HxH gets canned, Togashi can finish his Dragon Quest Let's Play.

So true..so true..

Btw; I was wandering if any manga was canned due to HxH return from hiatus(es) or do they increase the number of manga in WSJ while HxH is on?

"Bring me the strongest swordsman in fishman island, I don't even want to kill time with you"

Isn't there a limit to his badassness!!!!

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/642

Enjoy.

Alternate Translation by Aohige_AP:

! cover art is the Straw Hats trying to get on a fish-bus headed for the mermaid beach
The chapter opens a few minutes back at the forest of sea
Den tells Hachi and Camie that the fish and whales in the area are leaving, sensing something wrong
Hachi says if they fought face to face, the Straw Hats and Jinbe would easily win against Hody, but Hody will never break his will… That's what brother Tai was afraid of!!
At Coral Hill, Watermill Town, and Coral Mansion the residents are ordered to evacuate.
To each area news reach that Decken threw Noah, and Princess Shirahoshi is fleeing as bait.
! The ministers and soldiers arrive in front of king Neptune. The news of evacuation reaches them.
They tell the king to flee with them, but he tells them he'll wait for the Princes to return
The Right-minister and soliders arrive at the plaza, and grasps the situation from the shape the plaza is in, and the information given from the residents
He says the reptuation of the kingdoms is ruined, if it is saved by the very pirates they framed.
! He orders the soldiers to at least support them in their cause with respect.
He orders the onlooking residents to evacuate away from the island, but they refuse. (especially women and children)
They say they are the one who asked the Straw Hats for help, they will follow the same fate as them.
! In the Plaza Hammond is making the slave human pirates carry him on their back, just like how Celestial Dragons treated their slaves.
The pirates who couldn't carry him on the back anymore were dragged away, and replaced by other humans
Robin comments on his cruelty
! The Kraken got even bigger with Hissatsu Mega-Nyuudou, and even increased his size even more after Sanji taunted him.
His size increase causes many enemies to be crushed near him
(T may be mistaken the Kraken with Wadatsumi. Wadatsumi is a Nyuudou, not the Kraken)
Jinbe asks Robin is she can save the human pirates. He can't stand seeing Hody's men acting like the Celestial Dragons
! Ikaros vs Franky
Ikaros uses a move called Wings of Ikaros, but it's just a spit.
Franky shoots a fireball out of his stomack, Chopper is elated to see it. Btw, Franky himself shot the fireball (from the stomack of the robot)
Chopper seems perfectly fine fighting against Dossun. He counters the hammer attacks with Heavy Gong.
When Chopper turns human form (the one closest to human form he had) it's now the size of Hody.
Zoro comments how monstrous Chopper's become, but to that Chopper replies: I wanted to be a human before so I could have friends!! But now, I want to be a monster so I can help Luffy!!
Zoro laughs, and simply says "I see"
! Hyozo attacks, wanting to slice those who are laughing... but Zoro breaks nine of his swords in one slash.
Zoro: And I even gave you chance to get out of my range(*)... why don't you bring me the strongest swordsman in Fishman Island!! You're too boring for my time!

• (T spelled kekkai wrong, but it may be Zoro's new move. "Kekkai", used like kekkai (結界 zone) but spelled Kekkai (決壊 collapse). Probably just a mis-spelling though lol)

! End of chapter

@Gokuyuske:

Can somebody link the page(s) where the Zoldics leave the Ant arc? After the Cheetah guy gets crushed? Thanks in advance.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/hunter_hunter/v26/c278/17.html

@KiShiDo:

Well this isn't the thread for it cuz Hody won't join but… Here is summed up my thoughts

http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=34080&page=16&p=2412345&viewfull=1#post2412345

Now, my reply was for a post in the NN thread, you weren’t clear that you are not talking about the him being nakama. And honestly you aren’t helping yourself by joking about Hodi being the NN and posting seriously about how hody will be redeemed at the same time. I suggest you keep the “Joke about Hodi being the NN” posts in the NN thread & the “Defend Hodi” posts in the other threads to stop the confusion.

Everything follows is an off-topic discussion, so I'll use spoiler tags.

! The above being said; I had to do a lot of reading in the chapter thread to see that all this argument started over you not wanting Hodi to die b/c you think he will be redeemed.
Now saying that he WILL be redeemed even before hearing what he has to say is a stretch, especially considering what kind of asshole he is so far. Personally I’m not interested in this debate as I’m not so big on making up theories and I just wait for the next chapter. But if you want people to consider your thoughts seriously you should explain why would did Hodi do what he did and why would he change his feelings towards humans after being beat up by Luffy (a simple hand shake isn’t a reason). He “may” be redeemed, but you are not making a strong case out of it.
! > Now back to Vegeta for instant…Yeah OP is OP and DB is DB... But still some stuff are similar to each other

Vegeta was no ANTI-HERO at the beginning. He came as foe, busted planets with innocents, which never were revived again, killed some Z-fighters and his own friend Nappa... He cared about no one just for himself and his goals... We first learned in Namek something about him
! Let me put it that way:
In DB: Vegeta From Antagonist to Antihero -> Sure, why not.
In OP: Hodi From a merciless KILLER to a Nakama -> Hell NO.
In OP: Hodi From a merciless KILLER to a redeemable side character ala Croc -> Unlikely, but not impossible.
! > And I'm aware about Piccolo, cuz I have all volumes here, so you don't have to tell me something about DB. Point is he was a villian and even the final villian of the first part of Dragon Ball. He became somehow good AFTER the Raddatz saga never was before.
! Well if you wanna mention Piccolo Jr. who didn’t even kill anyone as a villain then why not mention Tien & Yamacha as villains as well. It seems you are using the term “villain” very loosely.
! > And if we are at Naruto… Do you like Gaara or was it bad story telling evolving his "evil" character and make him Kazekage?
! To answer your question(s):
Do I like Gaara? No; but this is just personal reference. you don't have to agree.
Did his redemption make sense or was it bad story telling? Yes; it made sense. Mainly because it was his same village who made him who he is. Have Otohime & all fishman island mistreating Hodi the way that Gaara's & the whole Suna village treated him and you'll get irrevocable redemption from me.
! Have it him mistreated by humans and he's just as dispicable as Sasuke.

@KiShiDo:

Vegeta and Piccolo say hello to you.

This is One Piece not Dragon Ball. No more need to be said. But if this was not good enough reason for you, let me put it in details:

1. It was made clear that Piccolo Sr. (Bad Piccolo) & Piccolo Jr. (Good Piccolo) weren’t the same character. If that wasn’t enough, sometime later Piccolo Jr. merged with good Kami to make ultimate Piccolo.
2. Vegeta was more of an antihero than anything. He just stopped his killing ways & that’s it. You didn’t have to love him or sympathize with him if you didn’t want to. This is as far as it gets from the Straw Hats who you are supposed to root for & care for their dreams.
3. In Dragon Ball “Death” wasn’t that big of an issue to begin with. It was treated lightly & Dead people came back temporarily or permanently all the time, heck even child Goku killed Gohan Sr. “by accident”. This is also as far as it gets from how One Piece deals with it.

Do I need to go any further?

And then you mention Sasuke… As if this will help Hodi's case at all. Anyone who'll agree that Sasuke's redemption is good story telling is beyond help.

@King:

Because former bounty hunter Zoro has never killed people before…

Now, I'm not defending Hody, but this argument wasn't very well thought.

Beside the fact that we never saw Zoro killing ANYONE prior to his joining, you can't compare killing Otohime and sacrificing your Nakama to save yourself or launching a huge ass ship on your own island to killing some fodder pirates who we don't even know about. The only one that is Zoro was said to kill was a BW agent & he probably did it for self defense.

@rubia_ryu:

I can't wait to see where this thread goes when the new chapter comes out.

Edited, there.

Edit 2: Okay, so now we can talk about Hody's "tragic past". Who's up for the challenge?

I can't see it. a Killer becoming a SH is too much no matter what was his reasons.

For the first time ever both Toriko & HxH are out before the big 3. And all thanks to Kewl. gotta love the guy.

@metteminne:

Actually that's the one , but it only has 8 chapters

Oh, I thought you meant the french comic series (Lanfeust of Troy) b/c you said it wasn't a manga.

I looked and unfortunately I couldn't find any additional chapters. And the scanlation group for this one volume doesn't seem an active one.

But I think you can try & check the original french version. Word is there is english scanlations up to the 2nd volume.

@choperman:

Honestly I couldn't give a shit now, clearly a joke that you overreacted to, and you seem obnoxious from your posts I've read you don't deserve jjba, drop it like a bad habit if you want

Dude, chill, No need to go for personal insults, I was also joking. Sorry if I my reply to you pissed you off so much, I'll just ignore you from now on.

On Topic:

I started part 2, and indeed it's leaps better than part 1. Joseph is far more entertaining than Jonathan and the men in the column trio are way more interesting than Dio. & from what people said I guess there is a good chance part 3 will even be better. I'll keep reading JJBA for now, but I won't storm through it like I did with part 1, I'll just take it slow.