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      Ever since Franky told Robin it was never a crime to exist, I founded my own personal FrankyxRobin religion.
      cries because nobody noticed his god-awful chapter 438 prediction

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        Haha you're chapter prediction was actually pretty good. It reminded me that we havn't seen the giants yet (apart from when they were helping out).

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          When I first saw the first page, I thought that somehow Zoro will get the samurai gopherman's sword somehow in a later arc since it looks somewhat like the one he lost.

          Loved it, and loved all the comments about all the sexual stuff Robin did. I don't feel sorry for Franky. Also, anyone know the range on Robin's powers? I remember back in the Crocodile arc she could make her eyes appear on other stuff, so I was just wondering if she could make extra boobs and other body parts. If so, she could open up her own whorehouse and be the only employee.

          I hope Usopp goes to Elbaf with the giants and becomes a warrior and the Mugiwari show up to Elbaf in a future arc with a couple marine ships chasing them and then: Boom! Usopp's new trained skills and weapons take those ships down, and Luffy is indebted to him and lets him rejoin the crew. Also, maybe Usopp will grow some balls in Elbaf.

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            Yes, but then Robin will twist them off again.

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              @SteveRessel:

              I am aware of the uses of bat guano….but would you really want any? If so, open your mouth and say AHHH...

              Exactly. I dislike these whiney little cry baby bee-yatch-ez. Here is a break down of the FRANKxROBIN love affair and what it means. Naturally this chapter is a closing in the 'love dance', now they just need to get busy making babies:
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              First, Franky on the train actually relates to her and talks with her, which is something no one has done so far. (Breaking the ice and relating to her as a person.)

              Second, Franky actually validates her existence; the only person known to have done so, when he says existence isn't a crime. (Values Robin)

              Third, They both have similar problems as they are both the keys to the Pluton and world destruction/salvation, both had lives ruined by the world government and both been hunted by that government. (They share common bond)

              Fourth, They are both bound and held together during the Eneis Lobby sequence. (Both experience common closure)

              Fifth, Franky again touches Robin's inner heart by consciously observing her and telling her she is stupid for being contrary to the Mugiwara. (Thus, being the man, and being logical to her emotional.)

              Sixth, Franky vows to bring her back to the Mugiwara. (At this point he becomes the prince/dragon slayer.)

              Seventh, Franky crotch grabs Robin and busts her out (….this is obviously sexual, and valiant).

              Eighth, Franky burns the plans to Pluton, freeing her from the anguish of being a terror to the world and ending his worth for that end. (Sacrifice.)

              Ninth, Franky stops the bullets on the bridge. (Saving her life)

              Tenth, Franky unlocks the cuff. (Completes his role as prince/dragon slayer and frees her completely)

              Eleventh, Robin grabs his crotch for a whole manga chapter and enjoys it. (She holds onto him sexually and won't let go, meaning she desires him- this is a deeper meaning from contraction during coitus)

              Twelfth, Robin claims Franky is a treasure and there is no reason to let go of him. (She's in love mentally as well)
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              Those are the 12 steps to FrankyxRobin's future. Franky also is very frustrated and angry with her over the crotch grabbing, so there is a lot of passion being returned, even if not sexual at this time it could easily turn that way.

              These two are primed for a week below decks.
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              Thank you, Oda, for making all of Water 7 and Enies Lobby a mating ritual between Furankry and RoeBeen.

              PS - all you little, shriveled, self absorbed, teen age Wii-knees should get down on your knees and praise Oda for delivering you a 12 step program for connecting with CHIX™. So next time you are at some lame frat party with your ass spanking buddies, try actually sitting on the couch, validating the woman, listening to her, and sharing things between you….then grab her with your crotch and fart so hard it blasts you out of the place. LURVE.

              Sanji's main problem is he is always rampantly slobbering over girls and never actually connecting with them.

              Sanji's main problem is that he smells of cold tabacco and seafood. Sanji fans save your time, no need to type "OH TEH NOS BASHING", it's canon from Oda.

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                @desanth:

                I hope Usopp goes to Elbaf with the giants and becomes a warrior and the Mugiwari show up to Elbaf in a future arc with a couple marine ships chasing them and then: Boom! Usopp's new trained skills and weapons take those ships down, and Luffy is indebted to him and lets him rejoin the crew. Also, maybe Usopp will grow some balls in Elbaf.

                See, the problem with that is that it's way too much like the Namek Arc of DBZ. Kururin and Gohan knew that they were weak and did their damndest to avoid Vegeta until Guru gave them both a significant power upgrade. Plus, they were able to whore Dende by having him heal them every time they got the shit beat out of them, which Vegeta still managed to do.

                See, Usopp has the ability, he's just not cut out to be a strongman like the rest of the Strawhats. He wants to be strong and mighty, but he needs to get it through his thick head that he can't. In order for him to grow as a character, he needs more weapons like Kabuto (Which is a strange name, why is his slingshot called "Helmet"?). He can't be a Franky, who is strong physically and intellectually. He's 1/2 a Franky, but he has potential to be even better than Franky when it comes to marksmanship.

                Hopefully in Elbaf, Usopp will come to the realization that he will never be as strong as Luffy or Zoro or even Sanji, Franky and Chopper, but he can outmatch them simply by using his mind.

                I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                  Umm, not really.

                  Sanji has displayed as much cleverness under fire as Usopp. I will not say 'more cleverness' as I don't think that it has been validated yet. However, I will say that Usopp certainly seems more creative in combat. Though they may well be 'stupid gags' Rubber Band of Doom and Nails on blackboard work. They distract the enemy and give Usopp an opening to put distance between himself and his opponent, a factor vital to a sniper's success and survival. Sanji's cleverness tends to deal with stealth and covert operations, i.e. Mr. Prince, or the closing of the Gate of Justice. Both these characters are pretty darned clever, and it would be a shame to dismiss the capacities of either; they are both vital to the crew, and I hope, too that Usopp rejoins at the first plot-convenient, closure-providing opportunity, lest I become bitter and pessimistic like Aldrich. No offense, mon ami, just an observation.

                  I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh

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                    thanks!!! so much !!!! i really appreciated it !!!

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                      i support robin x franky!!!!!

                      SteveRessel, u r rox!!!

                      after read ur comment, i js simply totally and absolutely agree wit u..

                      they all connected somehow..

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                        @SteveRessel:

                        Exactly. I dislike these whiney little cry baby bee-yatch-ez. Here is a break down of the FRANKxROBIN love affair and what it means. Naturally this chapter is a closing in the 'love dance', now they just need to get busy making babies:

                        –----------------------

                        Thank you, Oda, for making all of Water 7 and Enies Lobby a mating ritual between Furankry and RoeBeen.

                        PS - all you little, shriveled, self absorbed, teen age Wii-knees should get down on your knees and praise Oda for delivering you a 12 step program for connecting with CHIX™. So next time you are at some lame frat party with your ass spanking buddies, try actually sitting on the couch, validating the woman, listening to her, and sharing things between you....then grab her with your crotch and fart so hard it blasts you out of the place. LURVE.

                        Reading this, I was literally hit by a shockwave of rad and fell backwards out of my chair. Steve, you realize you will never top that, and so can never post again?

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                          In order for him to grow as a character, he needs more weapons like Kabuto (Which is a strange name, why is his slingshot called "Helmet"?)

                          Usopp's Kabuto name came from the bug with the big horn of the same name, and it seems that there are other parts of his body that franky did not cyborg-dized besides his ass. :0

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                            And if Franky has indeed rebuild the front of his body and not the backside…

                            But we should digress less and return to the arc.

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                              This is one of those chapters where the readers of JUMP are between a rock and a hard place.

                              The story was just a wee bit slow moving but the ONLY reason I can say that is because I have to wait another week.

                              If I were reading this in a tank it would be awesome and ultimately it will rule….but not until a week from today ^O^

                              Now, I know we beat this dead horse until nothing was left but a bloody pulp but finally some words from the man himself.

                              Here was Oda's comment from this week's JUMP:

                              "So the time-slot of the animation changed and I hear it's getting superior ratings. That's because anime really is for children."

                              Despite me sucking at expressing that final line it's not meant with ANY negative connotation. He means it in the best of ways but it supports exactly what I (and many others) have been saying about it all along.

                              And this can also put any fears to rest about OP's popularity.

                              BTW, last week he mentioned being on a cruise ship with the animation staff so....yeah....doesn't sound like it's struggling in the least.

                              The old OP animation is dead. Long live the OP animation!

                              No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                @Greg:

                                "So the time-slot of the animation changed and I hear it's getting superior ratings. That's because anime really is for children."

                                Oda's been given bad info…but I'm ultra-super-duper happy that he's finally come out and told the world, "anime is for kids"! See, 4Kids and Oda were made to be together...:O

                                @Greg:

                                The old OP animation is dead. Long live the OP animation!

                                What was "old" OP animation? You mean back in Arabasta?

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                                  @Brainuser:

                                  And if Franky has indeed rebuild the front of his body and not the backside…

                                  Yeah, well, I can see him having just left some things alone, only… in the centaur form, it shows that it's all connected via metal, so how does he get any blood... well, never mind.

                                  One Piece being for kids? Don't be silly, they only publish it in Shounen Jump for stealth purposes. :ninja: The butt, fart and balls jokes are of the most mature nature.

                                  "You people and your slight differences disgust me!" - Futurama

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                                    Wtf @ Oda!

                                    I like the One Piece anime and I'm 19 so is he calling me a little kid if so wtf is up with that

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                                      Wtf @ Oda!

                                      I like the One Piece anime and I'm 19 so is he calling me a little kid if so wtf is up with that

                                      He didn't say older people can't enjoy it. It's just that it's, for the most part, aimed at kids.

                                      Anyways, Greg, could you provide a link to that statement (even if it's in Japanese)? I believe you, but I wanna show this to other forums and they may ask for a source…

                                      Everything was all for nothing

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                                        Wtf @ Oda!

                                        I like the One Piece anime and I'm 19 so is he calling me a little kid if so wtf is up with that

                                        Who the fuck cares? The anime is made for children, sure, but why should that matter, it's like some candy is also made for children, that doesn't mean adults can't enjoy it too. If you enjoy it, then nothing should detract you from it.

                                        Anyway, thanks for the tidbit Greg. Does he usually leave a comment weekly or is this a sporadic thing? Thanks.

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                                        Good thing that everytime I'm afraid I'll have the will to live I can browse Arlong Park have it utterly eliminated

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                                          @NagaKarat:

                                          Usopp's Kabuto name came from the bug with the big horn of the same name, and it seems that there are other parts of his body that franky did not cyborg-dized besides his ass. :0

                                          If you look at the head of a Kabuto beetle, it looks kind of similar to Usopp's weapon.@Malintex_Terek:

                                          Oda's been given bad info…but I'm ultra-super-duper happy that he's finally come out and told the world, "anime is for kids"! See, 4Kids and Oda were made to be together...:O

                                          He said anime is for children, not anime is for money grubbing producers who churn out the lowest quality shlock that is a poor excuse for children's entertainment. XD

                                          Anyway, either there's something about the rating system that we don't know, or Oda was lied to. XD

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                                            @SteveRessel:

                                            I am aware of the uses of bat guano….but would you really want any? If so, open your mouth and say AHHH...

                                            Exactly. I dislike these whiney little cry baby bee-yatch-ez. Here is a break down of the FRANKxROBIN love affair and what it means. Naturally this chapter is a closing in the 'love dance', now they just need to get busy making babies:
                                            –----------------------
                                            First, Franky on the train actually relates to her and talks with her, which is something no one has done so far. (Breaking the ice and relating to her as a person.)

                                            Second, Franky actually validates her existence; the only person known to have done so, when he says existence isn't a crime. (Values Robin)

                                            Third, They both have similar problems as they are both the keys to the Pluton and world destruction/salvation, both had lives ruined by the world government and both been hunted by that government. (They share common bond)

                                            Fourth, They are both bound and held together during the Eneis Lobby sequence. (Both experience common closure)

                                            Fifth, Franky again touches Robin's inner heart by consciously observing her and telling her she is stupid for being contrary to the Mugiwara. (Thus, being the man, and being logical to her emotional.)

                                            Sixth, Franky vows to bring her back to the Mugiwara. (At this point he becomes the prince/dragon slayer.)

                                            Seventh, Franky crotch grabs Robin and busts her out (….this is obviously sexual, and valiant).

                                            Eighth, Franky burns the plans to Pluton, freeing her from the anguish of being a terror to the world and ending his worth for that end. (Sacrifice.)

                                            Ninth, Franky stops the bullets on the bridge. (Saving her life)

                                            Tenth, Franky unlocks the cuff. (Completes his role as prince/dragon slayer and frees her completely)

                                            Eleventh, Robin grabs his crotch for a whole manga chapter and enjoys it. (She holds onto him sexually and won't let go, meaning she desires him- this is a deeper meaning from contraction during coitus)

                                            Twelfth, Robin claims Franky is a treasure and there is no reason to let go of him. (She's in love mentally as well)
                                            –------------------
                                            Those are the 12 steps to FrankyxRobin's future. Franky also is very frustrated and angry with her over the crotch grabbing, so there is a lot of passion being returned, even if not sexual at this time it could easily turn that way.

                                            These two are primed for a week below decks.
                                            http://cityofclifford.com/MyCode.jpg
                                            Thank you, Oda, for making all of Water 7 and Enies Lobby a mating ritual between Furankry and RoeBeen.

                                            PS - all you little, shriveled, self absorbed, teen age Wii-knees should get down on your knees and praise Oda for delivering you a 12 step program for connecting with CHIX™. So next time you are at some lame frat party with your ass spanking buddies, try actually sitting on the couch, validating the woman, listening to her, and sharing things between you….then grab her with your crotch and fart so hard it blasts you out of the place. LURVE.

                                            Post of the Mother-fucking Century

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                                              Wtf @ Oda!

                                              I like the One Piece anime and I'm 19 so is he calling me a little kid if so wtf is up with that

                                              I'm 31 and i like watching One Piece: does that make me a child?

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                                                not really, u can enjoy kids stuff

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                                                  He said it's FOR children, but that doesn't mean that everyone who watches/reads anime are children.

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                                                    no hes saying the original intended audience is children but if you like it watch it.

                                                    its like Saturday Morning cartoons (old good ones) that were for kids I still find them funny now

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                                                      @Taleran:

                                                      no hes saying the original intended audience is children but if you like it watch it.

                                                      its like Saturday Morning cartoons (old good ones) that were for kids I still find them funny now

                                                      Exactly. When it's well told (the story), even if it's for kids, all ages should see it. Well told storys aren't as common as you may think (on TV, i mean), unfortunatelly :sad:

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                                                        Hmm… yeah, it's like the saturday cartoon except there are ball grabbing scenes now... people are changing gears now and now they think that those are for children (kinda like rock music before...) and i kinda agree to what oda said, but their is a part of me that doesnt... but still, 4kids and One Piece doesnt mix

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                                                          The quote is as follows:

                                                          アニメ時間帯変わりまして視聴率絶好調らしい。アニメは子供のものだしね。

                                                          It's from the Contents page. Battle Franky usually seems good for that stuff so he may be able to help you get a pic of the line.

                                                          Yes, Oda makes a comment each issue (along with every other author) so long as their work appears in the magazine for the week.

                                                          Sometimes it's remarkably informative and sometimes it's along the lines of:

                                                          'Yesterday I ate soba. Then I threw up.'

                                                          NOT THAT HE SAID THAT!!!! But just stuff like it.

                                                          With respect to the old OP animation being dead (animation being what I call 'anime' since in Japan Disney is considered 'anime') if you've watched the most recent episodes, they're kind…well....'intellectually toned down' is a safe phrase to use I think.

                                                          There's a lot of characters spelling out exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it which they don't do in the comic and they didn't do before. I'm shocked by how much has been added (with respect to dialogue) in some scenes.

                                                          I mean hooray for the VA's because they're getting a shytload of lines, but you can tell they've turned it down a notch.

                                                          Like I care.

                                                          The heart is the same and I agree with Oda but that doesn't mean ANYWHERE that grown people can't enjoy it. And like I said, my translation sucks because it's a translation, not a localization and I can't think of a way to put what he said in a more 'friendly' tone. Because I stress again, nothing he said was meant to insult fans of any age. It's a nostalgic thing.

                                                          No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                            @CosmicDebris:

                                                            He said anime is for children, not anime is for money grubbing producers who churn out the lowest quality shlock that is a poor excuse for children's entertainment. XD

                                                            4Kids made the dub enjoyable only by children, so I suppose the primary mission was obtained. But, that doesn't change how utterly terrible it iswas.

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                                                              ? 'was'?

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                                                              No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                @Greg:

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                                                                16 candles

                                                                4kids has ceased production on adpating anymore episodes…

                                                                Everything was all for nothing

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                                                                  @Greg:

                                                                  With respect to the old OP animation being dead (animation being what I call 'anime' since in Japan Disney is considered 'anime') if you've watched the most recent episodes, they're kind…well....'intellectually toned down' is a safe phrase to use I think.

                                                                  There's a lot of characters spelling out exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it which they don't do in the comic and they didn't do before. I'm shocked by how much has been added (with respect to dialogue) in some scenes.

                                                                  I'm glad this is done because otherwise I wouldn't know what was going on. For instance, whenever Luffy ate the Gomu Gomu fruit and then became a rubberboy, I wouldn't have known it was due to the fruit if Shanks hadn't said "This happened due to the fruit!", and it might have taken me a while to figure out on my own.

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                                                                    Dr. Casey, I do believe we are talking about two entirely different things.

                                                                    I'm talking about the show since the time-slot move.

                                                                    And in both the comic and animation is it clearly spelled out as your described. I'm talking about characters basically thinking out loud to make sure the audience can follow along, saying things that weren't said in the comic.

                                                                    Again, I really don't care, I'm just pointing it out.

                                                                    No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                      also from my site:

                                                                      Q: You say One Piece isn't for kids but it is!! Kids watch it in Japan all the time.
                                                                      A: That's very true but the demographics in Japan are way different. That is why Shonen Jump is rated T here. That is why Naruto is TV PG and hardly has any edits. That's why Bleach is on Adult Swim. Saying it's for kids in Japan doesn't make a difference because the show is clearly not for American children. (You know, the ones that don't read)

                                                                      he's saying Japan anime is for kids in Japan meaning that all the violence, blood, smoking, swearing and what not that you see in the original anime is for children in Japan. Children there watch shows with violence, blood, swearing and things like that all time time. Just because children in Japan enjoy it doesn't mean it's for kids everywhere.
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                                                                      Q: 4kids dubs anime for kids, hence the name so quit whining.
                                                                      A: As I said above: 4kids can take plenty of other cutesy anime that would work just fine without editing instead of taking one that clearly is NOT for American children and making it stupid. Besides think of the money they'd save on editing. You know I bet in the time it takes them to dub One Piece, they could have made their own retarded pirate show where they drink juice, fight with toy guns and run into iceburgs.

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                                                                      Wherever you may be

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                                                                        He didn't specialize, though. He just said it's for kids.

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                                                                          The quote is as follows:

                                                                          With respect to the old OP animation being dead (animation being what I call 'anime' since in Japan Disney is considered 'anime') if you've watched the most recent episodes, they're kind…well....'intellectually toned down' is a safe phrase to use I think.

                                                                          There's a lot of characters spelling out exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it which they don't do in the comic and they didn't do before. I'm shocked by how much has been added (with respect to dialogue) in some scenes.

                                                                          I mean hooray for the VA's because they're getting a shytload of lines, but you can tell they've turned it down a notch.

                                                                          I don't think it's so much that the show has been intellectually toned down as it is the animators filling up space any way they can, which happens in a lot of manga when they get animated and the animation gets close to the manga. Yeah, Naruto and Bleach come to mind. It's a pretty common trend now - this annoying ten minutes more of extra dialogue and filler flashbacks. In my humble opinion it takes away from the effect the scene had when I read it in the manga, but that's probably the purist in me talking.

                                                                          I personally don't think they'd do it if the manga was further ahead.

                                                                          Originally Posted by Wagomu

                                                                          There's a great lighthearted vibe around here, because no matter how serious we might get, we're all together because of some magical pirate.

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                                                                            If you are watching/reading One Piece because you think it gives you a social or intellectual 'leg up', you have to be retarded. One Piece, as most anime, is meant for kids (6-18 probably). Though a successful anime, like any animation, is ALL AGES and accepted as a family event.

                                                                            Hopefully you like it because it is entertaining. One Piece to me is fairly immature on some levels, but has enough compelling ideas and characters to make it more then a kid's cartoon. Naruto is a kid's cartoon. One Piece is for all ages. To me, it does nothing more then give escapism (and the manga are really well laid out most times). It's a simplistic, fantastic, soap opera or sorts.

                                                                            You don't need to have dumbed down oatmeal as 'kids' or 'all ages' entertainment. But, if you want to be adult, watch and crave Washington Week, Meet the Press, 60 Minutes, the Morning News, and that Geo. Stefanopolous thing on ABC. Or try seeming adult by watching those drab, crap murder shows with geeked out ho's and men posing in fancy suits around dead bodies lit by multicolored schemes, and ridiculously fabulous crime labs in government buildings -_-; That's adult these days - crap entertainment, bad language, crap sexuality, boring politics.

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                                                                            Hmm… yeah, it's like the saturday cartoon except there are ball grabbing scenes now... people are changing gears now and now they think that those are for children (kinda like rock music before...)

                                                                            Kids are all about the sexors these days. …what? Don't believe me? LOOK AT SATURDAY MORNING: Winx Club, Bratz, who knows what else: total sex cartoons. I watched them a few times to see what was going down and it was all about the skeezin' and the lame, subversive sex jokes, how to get a guy's pants going, etc. And when i saw them I remember a commerical with man sperm launching all over young boys, being called a 'sooper gooper' or something weird. Then I remember a troupe of 10 year old girls in frilly princess dresses wallowing in mud like cheap 42nd street wrestlers, and the key phrase "TOUCHING IS GOOD." Yet, parents are deathly afraid their kids are being corrupted by sword play, cigarettes and guns (which half the broadcast views see outside their window shooting down the crack dealers). Never mind the CONTENT of the story, that isn 't important. As long as those damned right wing Christians don't limit our kids from getting enough sexual motive and contents telling them they are fuck machines at any age, WE LOVE IT.

                                                                            ONE PIECE…. It tames the savage geek.

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                                                                              I don't think it's so much that the show has been intellectually toned down as it is the animators filling up space any way they can, which happens in a lot of manga when they get animated and the animation gets close to the manga.

                                                                              If EL was still going on I would agree but what with it basically coming to a close this late summer, the MASSIVE slow-down in the show and basically everything falling into place, they knew well in advance they'd have time enough. Usually they add something interesting like more chase etc. It was basically watching Usopp think out loud.

                                                                              No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                                @Quexinos:

                                                                                also from my site:

                                                                                he's saying Japan anime is for kids in Japan meaning that all the violence, blood, smoking, swearing and what not that you see in the original anime is for children in Japan. Children there watch shows with violence, blood, swearing and things like that all time time. Just because children in Japan enjoy it doesn't mean it's for kids everywhere.
                                                                                Soooo:

                                                                                hes not differentianting

                                                                                kids are kids are kids are kids, please stop trying to say that just because children grow up in another time zone that they can deal with violence better (I'm willing to bet the Violence in the Bugs Bunny and Tweety show far outweighs any anime brought over here)

                                                                                just because the censorship laws over here are wacked doesn't make his statement any less true

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                                                                                  I'm just finally glad that the "omg paulies joining not franky lol" arguments are over. Franky's the new nakama, but wow did he pick a strange way to become so. I only hope that his bag that Zambai gave him has some shorts in it. I mean, I know the speedo's part of who he is and everything, but for the love of pete, put on some trousers once in awhile. Kokoro had the right idea, back in that flashback, and I hope Nami has a similar "wear some pants when you go outside" policy on the Beast King.

                                                                                  And on a side note, Robin, that's unforgiveable.

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                                                                                    @Taleran:

                                                                                    hes not differentianting

                                                                                    kids are kids are kids are kids, please stop trying to say that just because children grow up in another time zone that they can deal with violence better (I'm willing to bet the Violence in the Bugs Bunny and Tweety show far outweighs any anime brought over here)

                                                                                    just because the censorship laws over here are wacked doesn't make his statement any less true

                                                                                    but it's true, and IM just pointing it out is all. You won't find any "kids" cartoons here with blood, smoking, and all that jazz, but you will in Japan. I just wanted to point it out because some people were all freaked out about it.

                                                                                    and it doesn't mean that the show should be dumbed down for 4 year olds either 😉

                                                                                    _For with a closing door, another surely opens

                                                                                    Just you wait and see,

                                                                                    And when you look back on where we've been together

                                                                                    Wherever you may be

                                                                                    I hope that you remember me_

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                                                                                      but it's true, and IM just pointing it out is all. You won't find any "kids" cartoons here with blood, smoking, and all that jazz, but you will in Japan. I just wanted to point it out because some people were all freaked out about it.

                                                                                      and it doesn't mean that the show should be dumbed down for 4 year olds either 😉

                                                                                      thats just because America will always be conservative at heart.

                                                                                      (we have it worse here in Canada with the CRTC)

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                                                                                        what's the CRTC?

                                                                                        _For with a closing door, another surely opens

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                                                                                        And when you look back on where we've been together

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                                                                                          You won't find any "kids" cartoons here with blood, smoking, and all that jazz

                                                                                          You won't? How much are you willing to bet?

                                                                                          I mean forget blood and smoking, you can find them in all sorts of Looney Toon, Batman, etc. segments here (and not just the ones intended for adults) I even have an example of the utterance of "beer" in a children's cartoon from the 90's and believe it or not, it's not a public statement.

                                                                                          And no, children growing up in a different time-zone are not magically able to absorb more than others.

                                                                                          It may have something to do with their upbringing but you admitting there should be a difference is quite a paradox since you're basically saying, anime shouldn't be for children in America despite much (NOT ALL) of it being as such in its country of origin.

                                                                                          Now….wouldn't that be considered.....censorship?

                                                                                          No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                                            I guess I am sort of saying that, because again, it's very normal in Japan to have the anime like that completely uncut with smoking, beer, swearing, with no cencorship at all… and in America, it's not norma and it... . dude... is that a Wii remote stuck in a TV?... is that real?...

                                                                                            okay sorry...

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                                                                                            BTW Im not saying that it's right to do that, Im just saying flat out, "that's how it is" I mean you have to agree with me on that right? You have to agree that that's how things are... right?

                                                                                            now I said:

                                                                                            You won't find any "kids" cartoons here with blood, smoking, and all that jazz

                                                                                            and you said:

                                                                                            You won't? How much are you willing to bet?

                                                                                            I mean forget blood and smoking,

                                                                                            Well that's all I put out there XD
                                                                                            I know there's violence in cartoons, I know about batman and hell, one of my favorites, Gargoyles. I guess my point is, you can get away with all that stuff plus more in Japan with children and you can't here. That's all I'm saying. He was probably thinking more along the lines of what kids normally watch in Japan. But take a show like Gargoyles and add smokers, blood, and swearing… suddenly it's TV-14 or... whatever it is, know what I mean?... all though I guess 14 is still kinda "kid"

                                                                                            I think my whole point in making this..er... point, is that I don't want anyone to think that what 4kids did to One Piece was right and justified by the creator. Anime yeah, probably for kids, maybe not YOUNG kids, but certainly like 8-14 or so.. I mean I used to watch Gargoyles, Bucky O Hare... but One Piece could have done so much better, even with kids, without it being retardedly dumbed down for idiots...

                                                                                            or something

                                                                                            hell I dunno, forget it...
                                                                                            no one seems to get what Im trying to say...

                                                                                            _For with a closing door, another surely opens

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                                                                                            And when you look back on where we've been together

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                                                                                              BTW Im not saying that it's right to do that, Im just saying flat out, "that's how it is" I mean you have to agree with me on that right? You have to agree that that's how things are… right?

                                                                                              I totally agree that's how things are. That's just reality. It's been 'this way' for about a decade now.

                                                                                              However…that doesn't mean that's how things always were and how they should be.

                                                                                              If one agrees that kids in Japan can take it and grow up 'normal' (whatever that means) then why shield children here? Only recently has cartoon violence etc. been a problem, that doesn't mean when I was growing up something like OP wouldn't have flown in a children's TV spot.

                                                                                              Thus holding onto the last strand of hope that a Japanese animation like OP 'isn't for kids in the USA' really doesn't mean much because of course it is and of course it could be. The very mentality that denies this is what keeps it from being so.

                                                                                              In the same vein, OP isn't just for kids. It's for anyone willing to enjoy it.

                                                                                              And yes, that's a Wiimote in a TV.

                                                                                              No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                                                                CRTC
                                                                                                they're like the FCC's bastard little brother

                                                                                                (the reason up here that "Beast Wars" was changed to "Beasties" because its illegal to have the word war in the title of a TV show in Canada.

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                                                                                                  @Greg:

                                                                                                  There's a lot of characters spelling out exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it which they don't do in the comic and they didn't do before. I'm shocked by how much has been added (with respect to dialogue) in some scenes.

                                                                                                  I've noticed this happening for some time. Look at Usopp v. Luffy for instance. 😛
                                                                                                  One Piece still doesn't do it as much as Naruto and Inuyasha, though. XD

                                                                                                  Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa

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                                                                                                    spoiler tomorrow looking for
                                                                                                    ussop rejoineds,leaving w7,gear3 used in some way,jinbei revealed ,death of ace

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                                                                                                      spoiler tomorrow looking for
                                                                                                      ussop rejoineds,leaving w7,gear3 used in some way,jinbei revealed ,death of ace

                                                                                                      OMG….I mean oh my god. I actually forgot. Finals and sleep depravation do that to ya. but moving on.

                                                                                                      I'l bet 20 internet dollars that this chapter will feature a good amount of Usopp.

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                                                                                                        I'm getting tired of One piece chapters like this, I know oda does this to by himself time 4 better 1's, but man this was just boring….... :ninja:

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