could it be that pigeon on luccis shoulder in disguise (he ate a pigeon fruit)??….............
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It's possible, but I tend to think not. Mostly because Zoan users tend to be a lot bigger than the usual size of the animal they turn into.
Think of Pell. Yes, he turns into a falcon, but he's frickin' huge. If someone ate a Pidgeon fruit, then they would be a lot bigger than normal, and definitely not able to sit on someone's shoulder.
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pell only went into his half way form like chopper or lucci they all went walf way not to full animal except for chopper
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from the fact that spandam reported to the gorosei, i think we can safely assume that the CPs are under the supervision of the gorosei. the 9th one is just the secret one that no one knows about.
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Originally posted by lucciano_minhawk@Feb 13 2005, 08:06 PM
pell only went into his half way form like chopper or lucci they all went walf way not to full animal except for chopper
[snapback]1720[/snapback]I'm pretty sure Pell is in his beast form when he grabs Crocodile's bomb and flies away with it. He was pretty big in his beast form.
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My money's on Spandam, promoted during the eight years between now and the Battle Franky incident, being the leader of CP9. I think eithe rhe or Corgi are the silhouette man in chapter 339.
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Originally posted by sgamer82@Feb 13 2005, 06:38 PM
My money's on Spandam, promoted during the eight years between now and the Battle Franky incident, being the leader of CP9. I think eithe rhe or Corgi are the silhouette man in chapter 339.
[snapback]1744[/snapback]We never saw Corgi's eye before, his hat always covers his eyes so I don"t think it's him
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i thought the silhouette man was lucci? i mean, we DID see the tie and the rolled up sleeves…
i somehow think spandam's gonna be a semi-minor character. im sure he's the cause of franky's "death" and tom's death... and manages to screw everyone over, but he's gonna get beaten to a pulp, somehow... and will never show up again, ever.
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Originally posted by e1n@Feb 13 2005, 06:34 PM
i thought the silhouette man was lucci? i mean, we DID see the tie and the rolled up sleeves…
[snapback]1793[/snapback]It coudl be Lucci. Though I think Lucci's the guy we see standing at attention in the background of that scene.
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that one might very well be kaku…
of the four, it's rather obvious that lucci is the one who likes to take charge of things.
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I'd put Rob Lucchi as leader, I mean Spandam fails to get the blueprints, so I don't think he'll be getting a promotion anytime soon.
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wait who is corgi and isnt spandam the guy from the marines (later on) who always tries to arrange meetings with iceburg
I'm pretty sure Pell is in his beast form when he grabs Crocodile's bomb and flies away with it. He was pretty big in his beast form
isnt the half way form part beast part human
cant the pigeon be in its full form
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nop. spandam is the guy in the flashback arc, leader of cp5. corgi is the one who tried to buy the blueprints from iceburg.
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Originally posted by lucciano_minhawk@Feb 13 2005, 07:38 PM
isnt the half way form part beast part human
cant the pigeon be in its full form
[snapback]1851[/snapback]It's not likely. The point made earlier is that Zoan Fruit eaters, in their full animal form, tend, more often than not, to be much larger than the animal really is.
Pell's full-falcon form, Chopper's full-human form, (if we saw it)Miss Merry Christmas' full-mole form. All are bigger than your average falcon, man, and mole.
One exception to this would probably be Piel and Dalton, but then horses and bison are big animals in the first place and I don't know if we ever saw Piel's full animal form.
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In true Treasure Island fashion… Sanji :P
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Haha!
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The boss, the one controlling them and givine them orders, would be the gorosei I think but the leader I guess would be Lucci judging from his performance. We might get a shocking discovery later when someone else (perhaps) is revealed as being part of CP9.
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Originally posted by joekido the Second@Feb 14 2005, 03:41 AM
We never saw Corgi's eye before, his hat always covers his eyes so I don"t think it's himWe have seen Corgi's eyes but yeah, he couldn't be the guy in the shadows because he's too short. Although perhaps he could know about CP9.
Lucchi seems like a boss type, at least the arc will end into he's defeat. Hattori could be a mean to communicate with the higher ups.
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I personally think that Dragon is the Boss of CP9 , but for now I would surely say Lucci
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Rob Lucchi is the boss.
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Yeah, the one thing I liked about the last chapter was that it did kind of establish who CP9 reports to. We were speculating if they reported to the Marines or the Gorosei. Now we kind of know that this is a division of the Gorosei.
This actually makes things really interesting. We know that the Marines have their "heavy-hitters" (the 3 Admirals) and the Gorosei have CP9.
While the Admirals I am sure are well known by the Gorosei, I am curious if the Marines know about CP9. They probably have SOME idea that the Gorosei has a group to do their dirty work but they may just assume its CP1-8. CP9 may be nothing more than a whisper to them or something that they cannot confirm their existence. They may not know how powerful or who their current members are.
Maybe we'll get a split in the World Powers after all? The Marines have their army and the support of the Shichibukai (supposedly). The Gorosei has the CP's. We could see things come to a head towards the end of the series.
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I agree in the aspect that Lucci's taken grasp of the role of leader in CP9, but I don't believe he's the one who gave Robin her orders… After close inspection on 339, I think the guy standing is more likely to be Lucci, as Kaku doesn't tend to stand like that (he's puts weight on one foot and somewhat leans as we saw at the end of 351). Lucci stands more in that style depicted in 339 -- but so does Blueno. Unfortunatly, Blueno's not that small, so it's impossible to be him. Blueno also couldn't be the guy sitting -- the guy sitting couldn't be Kaku either (obviously due to the nose).
We'll just ahve to wait and see who this guy possibly is....
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regarding c339:
the guys sitted dress EXACTLY like lucchi, except for the rollep up sleeves… maybe it was hot that day ^^ also the shadow is conveniently where the pidgeon would be. and the guy stading prolly IS kaku, altought that is not clear at all.my guess is CP9 works under direct supervision of gorosei. Lucchi is the leader, blueno makes the drinks, kaku tell jokes(lies) and calipha strips. ^^
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lucchi has his sleeves rolled up as well. check when he's fighting franky, and on the cover of chapter 36 that omae posted.
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After finding an adequate profile shot of Lucci and compairing it to the sitting-shadow-guy, I noted thier facial structures are incredibly similar… But the standing fellow still throws me off, as that pose it mostly used by Lucci (after looking through several chapters, it seems to be the whole standing with legs apart is Lucci's favourite stance). I'm conflicted on believing if it's Kaku or not, due to the fact Kaku generally has a contraposto (probably spelt that wrong, but it's when you put weight on one foot and stand somewhat relaxed) pose. Oh well -- knowing the tricks Oda likes to pull on us, it could be anyone.
...and I agree full-heartedly with D3adpool that Kalifa strips (damn she's HOT!) ;)
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I always wonder if all of the 4 CP9 members we saw are trully all there is to is to CP9.
I have a feeling that there might be 1 or more member hiding just in case. And this hidden member might be the true commander of CP9.
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i would think that too cuz he;s really crazy strong and seems more leader like..
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1. lucci
2. callifa
3. kaku
4. blueno
5. robin
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Originally posted by lucciano_minhawk@Feb 21 2005, 12:10 AM
1. lucci
2. callifa
3. kaku
4. blueno
5. robin
thats five knight… but i second the fact that there is another member in hiding that is the leader (the pigeon).
[snapback]4958[/snapback]nah, robin isn't one of them, couldn't be. She doesn't have their skills. And the whole point of a secret fifth one would be…well the secret part. It would be really cool if there would be another traitor in W7, but there isn't really that much left to pick from. Ah well, could be spandam; that would give Franky some well deserved retribution if he kicked his ass. :D
Btw, regarding the note on Pells beast form. When he carried away the bomb he's definitly in his beast form, a huge falcon. Would be rather impossible for him to shrink his organs into a smaller body anyway, his brain would shrink to the size of a pea. This form also doesn't show any signs of a human/animal mixture; what would be the requirement to meet for having it called a hybrid form. But that whole discussion is all pointless, since we already seen his hybrid form when he first shows his powers fighting of those thugs. In that form he has arms with talons.
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At least Robin's able to work smootly with them, like a practised routine. It wouldn't a surprise if she had done favours for them many times before.
To think about Spandman's still there somewhere, all bitter, the whole deal with CP9 might be he's plan from the very beginning. What happened eight years ago could have been just a prelude. If he's still alive, that is.
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didnt lucci say she was part of cp9, Hawky Blue Eyes. if the pigeon isnt part of cp9 then why is it on lucchis shoulder even when he used his zoan fruit
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well the pidgy surely is part of CP9, just as much as Iceburg's mouse is part of the Garera company. ;)
I won't deny Robin is working with them right now, but that's not the same as being part of the organisation. At best she could be considered a freelancer, though I doubt she's really in there because she believes in the gov's cause or because she like's luci's beard. ^^
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She definitely doesn't agree with CP9's plans… She's uttered her disgust about the ancient weapons several times already in the series, and she was genuinely surprised when Iceberg told her what CP9 was after.
Which begs the question... Why did Robin team up with CP9 without even knowing their objectives? Pyu?
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maybe she was forced? and i just want to clear up that aokiji is stronger than cp9 since robin could not beat him and i doubt hse was holding back because she would have been killed if it was not for the pirate crew
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I'd say Aokiji's powers are definitely a step above CP9's abilities. Even if he wasn't holding back, he defeated the Strawhats with ridiculous ease.
And I don't think Robin was forced to join at all. When she's casually having a cup of tea with the CP9 I tend to doubt she's doing it unwillingly.
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maybe she was molested as a little girl and brain washed to like the marines and not pirates but as she encountered the straw hats her love for pirates reawakened
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Nico Robin hasn't been brainwashed, she knows exactly what's she doing.
She does everything in pursuit of her dream, it doesn't matter if she hurts anyone in the process, just as long as she can get closer to the True History. In Alabasta, when she realized that the phonoglyph had nothing to do with the true history, she wanted to die thinking she could never reach her dream. Luffy saved her, and she went with them hoping to get closer to her dream. Now, she's simply switching to a group that can bring her to her dream faster, CP9.
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I doubt it's that simple. Ok she's definitly still pursuing her goals, but that doesn't mean she works voluntarily with CP9 and neither that she just like that discards her former nakama. She did show general concern for them, when she told them to leave. She thinks that the strawhats are no match for CP9 and regardless that thought, she knows pretty damn well that you don't say no to CP9. They made that very clear, when they revealed that they had a licence to kill.
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I mentioned this in the 356 thread.
The latest chapter has me thinkign mroe that oru shadow-man (and possible CP-Boss) is Spandam. The line of one of his operatives on page three (their actions are a sacrifice for justice) mirrors well what shadow-man said to Robin during tea time.
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Hmm I noticed something, If I am not wrong (looking at Vol 36), it seems like the shadow man talking with Robin doesnt seem to have the "long curly" hair like Lucci, so I am starting to have some doubt about it being Lucci. (For it were Lucci, wouldnt his hair cover part of his face (at least the neck) and I have yet to see him pull his hair back away from his neck. HENCE it must be someone with shortish hair. And Lucci's face composistion looks slightly different (his brows). Yet I have doubt that this guy is Spandam also, for (through looking at this character) this person speaking with Robin seems…sly and organized while Spandam appears to be some "screaming type" leader, but I could be wrong.
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If it's to be believed that person sitting in the chair, is the one conversing with Robin, and is indeed the big boss of CP9 (which I believe). Then the person standing to attention, at the side of the table (imo) is definitely Rob Lucchi, which really rules him out of being the 'boss' and more likely confirms him to be a second in command type figure in Cipher Pol. 9.
Here's a bit of visual evidence I've put together.
Notice that stance of the shadow? Rob always seems to have his hands either in his pockets or behind his back.
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Aokiji the Marine Admiral is boss. >_> j/k
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_Originally posted by sgamer82+Feb 24 2005, 11:34 PM–>QUOTE(sgamer82 @ Feb 24 2005, 11:34 PM)I mentioned this in the 356 thread.
The latest chapter has me thinkign mroe that oru shadow-man (and possible CP-Boss) is Spandam. The line of one of his operatives on page three (their actions are a sacrifice for justice) mirrors well what shadow-man said to Robin during tea time.
[snapback]6748[/snapback]Interesting theory sgamer82. This may be true as Oda seems to be focussing on Franky's flashback, which involves Spandam as the main villain. It wouldn't be strange for Franky & Ice to finally settle the score with Spandam.
However, I would be a bit disappointed if Spandam is really the boss since he doesn't to be very strong.@Feb 25 2005, 04:15 AM
If it's to be believed that person sitting in the chair, is the one conversing with Robin, and is indeed the big boss of CP9 (which I believe). Then the person standing to attention, at the side of the table (imo) is definitely Rob Lucchi, which really rules him out of being the 'boss' and more likely confirms him to be a second in command type figure in Cipher Pol. 9.
[snapback]6856[/snapback]_Great evidence Battle Franky :D
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Could anyone post a link to chapter 339? I would like to inspect the "shadow man" scene as well.
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Hmm I noticed something, If I am not wrong (looking at Vol 36), it seems like the shadow man talking with Robin doesnt seem to have the "long curly" hair like Lucci, so I am starting to have some doubt about it being Lucci. (For it were Lucci, wouldnt his hair cover part of his face (at least the neck) and I have yet to see him pull his hair back away from his neck. HENCE it must be someone with shortish hair. And Lucci's face composistion looks slightly different (his brows). Yet I have doubt that this guy is Spandam also, for (through looking at this character) this person speaking with Robin seems…sly and organized while Spandam appears to be some "screaming type" leader, but I could be wrong.
that eliminates the hair thing for kokoro being the leader of cp9
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orichimaru…aokiji isnt boss if he was about to break up robin from luufy's crew
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Good going, Puppehkatt.
I doubt it's Spandam. Would he be able to stay in Water Seven? I mean, Ice and Franky would probably want revenge.
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spandam must also be old now… not only that, maybe he was fired for not getting the blueprints as he promised....
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I think the boss could be anybody that we havent meet yet
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I think, there is no boss.
It's defintly Luchi. End of discussion. :D
