lucchi cant be the boss. its too predictable. its the pigeon
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Oh for goodness… if Lucchi were the Boss, it'd would've been revealed from the outset. There would be point in revealing something, that would be so ridiculously obvious to all of the readers a few chapters/voumes later.
Oda is keeping that man a secret for a reason, whether it be Spandam, Aokiji or even Pandaman, this shadowy boss figure will have some sort of impact in chapters to come. That is why I sincerely doubt, it'll be someone like Lucchi, whose position has already been well established in the manga.
Lucchi = field commander, most likely 2nd in charge of CP9
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nice franky now i just have to prove the pigeon is the boss of cp9
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Originally posted by lucciano_minhawk@Feb 27 2005, 12:40 PM
nice franky now i just have to prove the pigeon is the boss of cp9
[snapback]7817[/snapback]I also have the same idea with you. now for the evidence, I might be wrong but in the picture someone has sent before, the picture of Lucci stands besides the table with Robin and other guy, did you see the shadow of the pigeon on Lucci's shoulder? I think I didn't see it, maybe the pigeon is in his human form and he is the one who sits across Robin. and maybe he is the boss :P
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Interesting theory, but we can't possibly determine if Hattori is there or not. Because there's a shadow covering Lucchi's/mystery man's upper body in that panel & Hattori's usually pearched on Rob's shoulder. So… you might not see him, but that doesn't mean he's not there. :huh:
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I could be way off, but I'm beginning to think that Spandam is actually the CP9 boss. I also think he is a Zoan Fruit user Panda style. I know it seems too obvious to be true, but the guy does have the Panda markings on his face and we have seen other Zoan users before who have some sort of animal features in thier human form which correspond to their power. Miss Merrychristmas in particular comes to mind though there are others. I would think this could be how Lucchi learned how to hone his Jaguar powers, though Lucchi is likely far more powerful than Spandam ever was (a Panda isn't a carnivore either).
These two both talk in a similar manner about their whole concept of justice and whatnot, of course it could be that Spamdam and Lucchi both simply answer to the same boss. But to me, unless Oda kills off Spandam before the end of this flashback, I think its simply inevitable that he will return in the present time, and as hellbent as Spandam is on getting this Ancient Weapon, it wouldn't be too surprising for him to be the one calling the shots.
But I do know how Oda likes surprises…
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We know that Spandam will fail to get the blueprints. I think that there's to possibilities: Spandam will be killed by his superiors for failing, and causing such destruction without results. Perhaps the events will be exposed as his doing, or at least to some extent.
Seeing as how Cp9 is based on Spandams ideals: "fight fire with fire (the blueprints)", and "Sacrifices for the sake of justice", cp9 is most likely linked to Spandam and his actions.
Perhaps Cp9 was created in order to perform Spandam-like actions, with no chance of being exposed. They're not supposed to exist after all.
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It could be Spandam, if he managed to convince his superiors to give him another shot at the blueprints.
Or maybe it's the pigeon; never trust a bird who wears a tie.
Or better yet, it's Pandaman.
I don't know about the Aokiji theory though. Although he did make a comment about Water 7 and seemed to be heading to that direction.I don't think it's someone we don't know. I mean, all of the CP9 were people that had already been shown earlier in the arc.
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i think maybe kokoros a possibility but i still am going for the pigeon theory. if you look at lucch in beast human form the pigeon is still there. either that is one brave pigeon or its the boss of cp9.
i dont think spandam is the boss. i think there is no ranking for the cps they are all just specifying in one piece of detective work.spandam i think gets killed by tom he insults the battle frankys and tom or franky get pissed -
I also think he is a Zoan Fruit user Panda style. I know it seems too obvious to be true, but the guy does have the Panda markings on his face
It doesn't matter if it's obvious it could still be true. After all, Pell and Chaka were introduced as "the falcon" and "the Jackal" (at least in the Danish version), and after Pell revealed his powers in vol. 19, it wasn't hard to guess Chakas.
I'm beginning to think, that the Gorosei themselves taught CP9 rokushiki. After all, they seem to be at least former warriors, judging by their scars, and of them has a sword.
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I think its Spandam personaly. I can see him as the sneky type who can turn a filer into a postion of power. It could be he failed to get to blueprints, but implied he was close but needed more time and speclist's, which leds to the creation of CP 9, which he then heads. It hink Spandam is perfectly capibal of maniupluting his boss's into giving him a postion of power even from failer
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It could be Piiperii Lulu or Aokiji
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Spandam might really make sense actually. We don't know for sure that CP9 actually existed at the time of the flashback. It could have been created by Spandam who seems to have an idea of Justice that includes attacking other government officials for the "Sake of the Government" and Justice, sounds like CP9 to me, murdering for the sake of the Government and Justice.
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wait i just thought of something
what if the shadow guy was not the boss of cp9 maybe he wasjust some guy who cp9 reports to maybe a gorsei -
Originally posted by lucciano_minhawk@Mar 2 2005, 03:50 PM
wait i just thought of something
what if the shadow guy was not the boss of cp9 maybe he wasjust some guy who cp9 reports to maybe a gorsei
[snapback]9770[/snapback]That's possible. Though that would depend on just how often they report to that person. A Gorosei just can't disappear without warning too frequently, fi that's who they're speaking to.
Spandam's actually a possibility in anotehr way I didn't eralize. if he always wears face paint, it' sless likely his real face is recognizable. He could easily live in Water Seven without anybody being the wiser. Or come and go as he pleases as a result. It's always bugged me that Oda made a point of momentarily washing off the face-paint. Something about it is likely supposed to be important. But the question is how?
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at first i thought spandam may have been corgi and now im starting to think that again
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Originally posted by sgamer82+Mar 2 2005, 07:05 PM–>QUOTE(sgamer82 @ Mar 2 2005, 07:05 PM)
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Well, Oda has always got us surprised with his imaginative ideas so maybe the one behind this all is Lucci's pigeon? :P
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yesss!! finally some one who agrees with me
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Question about the mos trecent chapter that better fits here:
Was Spandam permanently maimed by Franky's attack? Or was he just beaten up eral bad?
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So far, it seems Spandaman is one of the few characters in OP when wounded…seems to KEEP all his wounds (He looks beaten up pretty bad), such as missing teeth etc...
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well, keep in mind that CP9 is, at its core, an intelligence agency. Field operatives, of course, need to be skilled fighters. But the brains behind the group, CP9's Handler, if you will, doesn't necessarily need to be combat trained. Spandam has proven himself intelligent and devious (he knew just what he was doing when he arranged for the Battle Franky attack). I'm sure he wasn't counting on Tom actually giving the blueprints to his apprentices (still a couple of wet-nosed kids in his eyes). Which is probably the only reason he never succeeds at getting them.
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i will stay to my word a few posts ago about the case being appointed to cp9 after they realize that the pluton is strong and spandam is still part of cp5
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I still think it is going to be a new admiral that has yet to be introduced. Maybe not Blue Phesant, but one of the other ones. Imagine if Luffy beat one of them. His Bounty would easily be over 200 million. I don't think that Oda would make Luffy fight an admiral so soon after meeting Blue Phesant, but after Luffy and crew hopefully beat the CP9. The leader will show up at the next island they sail too.
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I kind of hope it'll be Spandam…as a cyborg?
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hell no (pimp sig bushido)
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I dreamed that the leader of C9 was…. KUMA! :blink:
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that would be really cool but unlikely
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Originally posted by Capivara@Mar 6 2005, 08:39 PM
I dreamed that the leader of C9 was…. KUMA! :blink:
[snapback]11923[/snapback]you mean Bart. Bear? Nah, that is highly unlikely. It seems if the strawhats confront Bart, I would envision it in an enormous Gothic church isle or something….that would be awesome ^^
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also it cant be one of the sucibukai since they are a seperate world power since the governtment is divied into a few groups.
officers
admirals
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Man, you guys confused me now…
I was pretty sure that it's Lucci, but now there's this thread here with all the speculations... Could anybody please load up the panel with that guy in the shadow (I mean... I want to see his face), I'd like to take a look.
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I think it's Lucchi but I hope it's Spandman :P. The silhouette looks like there's a rim of hat and the nose isn't Spandam's but there is no way to tell though. It could be just Oda changing character design or the silhouette could be a bit skewed or anything.
Azalea, I love your avatar. It's really beautiful.
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Wow Yoska, THANKS! cuddles
Well, these eyes could belong toooooooooo…. bothofthem, ehehe! 8D
As they both have their eyes just half-opened. Dammit... Unfortunately I can't see the hair as somebody mentioned that the shadow-guy hasn't Luccis obviously hawt latino-curly-hair.(I have the chapters on my PC but can't open it for some reason... otherwise I could look it up by myself, errr)
Yeah, isn't it?!
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I just dunno who drew it, but some of that gorgeous japanese fan-artists I guess.EDIT:
Ok ok: http://mitglied.lycos.de/jah69/4Leila/339_19.jpg
Well, I see the tie, I see the cuffs and no hair at all cause of the shadows. Considerung the clothes I'd say it's Lucci shrugs -
Yoska, thanks for uploading that pic. Compare the noses and the shadows on the noses. The nose of "Mr. Shadow" in that pic is not Spandam's. It's Lucci's. You can see it is a thin nose whereas Spandam's is a big blob.
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@GunMetal
But Spandam's nose could look… "wider" (is this the correct word?) because he has this black color on it ?_? Same trick with they eyes, we are familiar with the black parts around Spandam's eyes, so the shadow-eyes remind me more if Spandam's than of Rob's eyes. Hm.(BTW I feel somewhat strange comparing Lucci with Spandam, hehe XD)
Signatures are annoying and completely unnecessary.
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Originally posted by Azalea@Mar 9 2005, 04:20 PM
@GunMetal
But Spandam's nose could look… "wider" (is this the correct word?) because he has this black color on it ?_? Same trick with they eyes, we are familiar with the black parts around Spandam's eyes, so the shadow-eyes remind me more if Spandam's than of Rob's eyes. Hm.Nah, look at the bridge of the nose and the bone in the center. Check out the pic below.
The nose of Shadow Man is thin. That's what I mean. In Spandam's pics, that center bone that goes down the center of his nose is fat. Lucci's has always been thin. You can tell that the rest of Shadow Man's nose is thin based on the outlines of the shadow.
Also, keep in mind that this was before we knew Lucci was bad. If it was a new character, Oda could have just shown us this person. Everything was done to keep the suprise of Lucci being in CP9. Shadow Man is Lucci.
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Doesn't Shadow-Man's nose look like Robin's?
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Ah! Shadow Man is Robin's dad! :lol:
Or maybe Spandam got his nose damaged and had to have it remake… Like a metallic nose. :o -
This brings back an earlier question. was Spandam permanently maimed by Franky's attack with the bat? If so, the nose could be in no way an indicator as he took a smack right to the face. Then again, it could be that is Lucci after all.
Though my money's still on Spandam.
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Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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i dun get it…. for me it's 100% certain it's Lucci. the eyes and everything. and now that we get SM spandam i tought this subject was over.
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It can't be spandaman, for….he is at eneas lobby at this time I believe.
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He is there, but talked to them on a phone. He looks really creepy.
But wouldn't Shadow-man's nose have some thing for his injury over it? I didn't see anything.
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Hehe, sgamer wins!!!
So, yeh, I hate to rub people's noses in it, but… OF COURSE ROB LUCCHI WASN'T GOING TO BE THE DAMN CP9 BOSS!1!.
::phew:
That felt good. :P
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Well, I guess I was kinda right too, about the whole Spandam having a new nose thing…well he has something on his nose. <_< Maybe he's hiding a hideous injury…or just bad acne.
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I think it's pretty clear now, the shadow guy is Lucchi but Spandam is the boss happy.
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Another mystery solved. Lockage.
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Yep, it's Spandam. That's the end of that.
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Originally posted by KatanaJon@Mar 12 2005, 12:45 PM
Yep, it's Spandam. That's the end of that.
[snapback]13888[/snapback]No, that's not Spandam, the shadowy guy is Lucci. If that was Spandam, his hair would be covering his rigth eye plus when he is sidefoward, the metal casting coving the half of his mouth would be notice. Spandam was in Enaes Lobby during all of this, he was the voice from the Snail Phone in chapter 344. Robin myby knew about Spandam and his operation so she voluteered with Lucci as her temp superviser while Spandam is the boss who orders through the phone. If that was Spandam, how did he get to Enaes Lobby without the Sea Train? In Chapter 339, the city was excuvated and the Sea Train was gone, how would he travel between 339-358?(Cut off the flashback sence).
END OF THE STORY
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It's completely irrelevant at this stage who was at that table in W7. My theory still stands, that Lucchi is definitely the one standing at the table & whoever the other guy is, be it, Spandam himself or someone acting as a go-between on Spandam's behalf, it doesn't really matter anymore.
Spandam has been revealed at the CP9 boss. Whether or not he was at that meeting, isn't (shouldn't) be an issue anymore, let's move on people. :)
