The Japanese Manga or the American comic book? :ermm:
Which came first?
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Well, hasn't the definition of 'manga' changed drastically over the years, apparently going back to prints in like the 1200s?
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American comics came out first I believe. There's a lot of old DC and Marvel comics that date back in the 20's and manga didn't really take off until after WWII.
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Comic Books in the US startted around the 1920's, some were earlier but noone REALLY knew about them.
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Well..
japan had hentai first..
SHOULDN'T THAT COUNT FOR ANYTHING!?
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So… the cavemen drawings don't count?
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Didn't Osamu Tezuka, the father of all manga, copy his style (big eyes) from Disney? I could be totally wrong on this though.
Wait… that didn't really answer the question...
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Didn't Osamu Tezuka, the father of all manga, copy his style (big eyes) from Disney? I could be totally wrong on this though.
Wait… that didn't really answer the question...
Yup, he did. But was it from the cartoons or comics?
I guess it's a safe bet to say that comics came first, unless if you want to start debating about ancient and cavemen drawings ;).
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i guess manga existed when america was not even discovered.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga (check origins)
Manga is very old…
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BUt not the manga as we know it.
Besides even if counting all that history comics were first, but NOT American Comics
So i guess the answer IS manga XD -
American comics. Japanese were influenced.
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I'll tell you though, the first major comics series was European. Adventures of Tintin for the win.
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Well American comics (if you count comic cartoons as a general, not modern view)… They can only go back a couple of hundred years... Basically they can never be older then America itself. Japan itself is a older country.
But as far as producing things, we reguarded Manga as the mordern day big eyed style... I once ordered a Japanese 'Manga' history book and found the manga it mentioned wasn't the style I expected. It was pre-big-eyed era, dating back a GOOD number of centuries. In fact there was no mention of modern manga style anywhere in it (imagine my shock though as it wasn't what I expected).
Needless... I returned it and got my money back. Turns out the bookstore I got it from made a mistake.
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I would say cavemen comics came first
More seriously I think it's something like this:
1 - Manga (not the fancy one we know now)
2 - EU comics
3 - US comics
4 - Manga (was we know it)
But I really don't know for sure since many useful informations seem to have be lost with time
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I would say cavemen comics came first
More seriously I think it's something like this:
1 - Manga (not the fancy one we know now)
2 - EU comics
3 - US comics
4 - Manga (was we know it)
But I really don't know for sure since many useful informations seem to have be lost with time
Uh….where did you get that timeline from?
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In the modern understanding of comics and manga I believe I read somewhere that Europe was first out with simple caricatures and such, then came the US who also expanded it a bit more ( don't remember how now ), and then Japan took it further.
Beyond that I'd have to guess that it's a whole lot of touch and go, with the current flow of influences going from Japan. Seeing as Japan's manga was a tad more isolated while developing and evolving, unlike the US and EU that constantly borrowed ideas from each other. Atleast untill later times like now where a torrent of ideas are coming from Japan.
I'm at a loss as to where I read the article, but it explicitly stated the EU was first out with comics
Writing crap on morghus.com, dodging junk on the internet and bashing idiots before they pull me down to their level.
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Yhea…
European chariacture and political comics...
To American Newspaper Comics (Little Nemo, The Yellow Kid, Krazy Kat)
European Comic comics that are like comics we think of today(Tintin motherfuckers)
American comic comics (Superman, Action Comics)
Japanese comic comics (Tezuka stuff)
American comics take a hit in the crotch(Comics Code)
Mature japanese comics(Gegika)
American Graphic Novels(Will Eisner)
80's and early 90's boom in mature landmark comics in both japan and America(Whatchmen,Akira,Ghost in The Shell,Sandman,Dark knight Returns, Nausicaa) -
Didn't Osamu Tezuka, the father of all manga, copy his style (big eyes) from Disney? I could be totally wrong on this though.
He was influenced by Disney and the Max Fleischer Superman cartoons.
Yhea…
European chariacture and political comics...
To American Newspaper Comics (Little Nemo, The Yellow Kid, Krazy Kat)
European Comic comics that are like comics we think of today(Tintin motherfuckers)
American comic comics (Superman, Action Comics)
Japanese comic comics (Tezuka stuff)
American comics take a hit in the crotch(Comics Code)
Mature japanese comics(Gegika)
American Graphic Novels(Will Eisner)
80's and early 90's boom in mature landmark comics in both japan and America(Whatchmen,Akira,Ghost in The Shell,Sandman,Dark knight Returns, Nausicaa)Damn, I was just about to post something like this. You pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I'd mention the "Comix" movement of the late 60s and early 70s and the independent movement that was evident in the 80s.
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I agree with the timeline that zephos posted. The "manga" that you guys are talking about in antiquity have nothing to do with the stuff we call manga. That would be like calling the political cartoons of the revolution the same as spiderman.
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I guess you could say comics started with the ancient Aztecs and Egyptians who used pictures and text carved into stone to record history.
The first 'real' printed comic was in Europe in 1682, and the first comic to host speech bubbles came about in the 1700s.
Also, manga vs comics is a silly debate, since they are one and the same. >__> I always found it a silly argument because it's like TEH WORLD v JAPAN
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Comics is sequential art….
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All comics are sequential art, but not all sequential art is comics.
Of course this all fairly subjective…
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But then, what qualifies as comics?
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The book format or paneled storytelling.
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Comics definition check Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics
But still I would say sequencial stories of cavemen hunting or doing other things they though important to draw are the oldest comics (although they do not have text)
