so, after checking the chapter titles:
zoro: 1
nami: 2
usopp: 3
sanji: 4
chopper isn't officially the fifth and so robin is 6th. my guess it that the 7th is franky and some stuff might happen to robin again.
so, after checking the chapter titles:
zoro: 1
nami: 2
usopp: 3
sanji: 4
chopper isn't officially the fifth and so robin is 6th. my guess it that the 7th is franky and some stuff might happen to robin again.
Aweeeesomity. ^^
I loved the Chapter. After much forth and back, the Mugiwara Kaizoku-dan are finally backā¦ >.>
My fave Kaizoku is back and it's sooo kicking rad!
The spirit of Commodore Norland is alive and well:
Praise be!!
That's exactly what i was thinking when i saw the picture !
BADASSNESS is IMMORTAL!!!
I had no idea norland was sooooo bigā¦...
If I may ask, who'se the marine in on the right of Smoker? He looks veryā¦ ominous
Edit: I got left and right wrong? xD
If I may ask, who'se the marine in on the left of Smoker? He looks veryā¦ ominous
Haha wouldya look at that. Great spot!
It is hard to tell, who is more badass.
Smoker or Norland.
Good chapter, for a change. Everyone was so adorable, especially when doing kampai. And OMG VIVI SMOKER TASHIGI LOVEEEEEEEeeeee. But was Vivi so miserable after her nakama left that she stopped eating? I mean, her waist just creeps me out. D8
Tashigi with long hair is dead sexy and Smoker is badass as always.
I think that "The Seventh Person" is Robin, since Luffy said they're kampaing for the return of Robin and Usopp and a new nakama. Does that mean Oda actually counted Vivi? <3
ā¦I still feel that there wasn't enough "OMGYAYUSOPP'SBACK", though.
[OMGLOLAWESOME at the Smoker=Norland thing.]
But ultimately, I hate negative criticism in general. It's usually never constructive, especially when it's about characters. I think "Candide," described critics bestābut I don't have the book on my right now. I'll quote it later.
onemoment, I'm not sure if this was the quote that you were thinking of, but it's the first one that popped into my brain when you mentioned "Candide" and "critics" in the same breath :
"If we do not find anything very pleasant, at least we shall find something newā¦"
What? I already posted the evidence that Robin is considered the 7th.
Grrrreat chapter. Franky's escape move was sweet. It's back to seafaring adventure again!
@AD-HD:
It is hard to tell, who is more badass.
Smoker or Norland.
I'll end that right now
on-topic this chapter kicked serious ass, it'll be interesting to see who Smoker finds
What? I already posted the evidence that Robin is considered the 7th.
then franky is 6? or vivi? got to find your post nowā¦
Not sure, all know is Robin is #7. :P
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=419659&postcount=218
I'll ask it again - who is the guy on the right of Smoker?
I'll ask it again - who is the guy on the right of Smoker?
Unless Oda specifics who the guy is in a SBS later on he's just some background character.
I'll ask it again - who is the guy on the right of Smoker?
His name is Rico suaveā¦Oda told me...on the den den mushi i have...yes i'm not lying at all.
I'll end that right now
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on-topic this chapter kicked serious ass, it'll be interesting to see who Smoker finds
Zoro is badasser than Norland.
She's only Second-Lieutenant. Which is the lowest comissioned rank, her previous rank being the highest non-comissioned in some countries, while Warrant officer (from the little I know) is a rank inbetween, but for more specialized officers. Though not sure if Oda is basing it on any specific country's and a specific branch. So it could be a one-rank promotion or two.
That's what I was thinking since it's most plausible, but Marine rankings are not applied to "kaigun" since we have Admirals which are not part of normal or historical 'marine' (in the soldier sense) rankings. Additionally, there's nothing to note Tashigi is a Second Lieutenant since she's just called "Shougi", which actually does exist as a stand-alone rank in modern Navies.
But you're cricizing it becuase of what she did in Alabasta? They clearly didn't defeat Crocodile (well Tashigi did order his arrest) and that's what the ceremony appearantly is for, obviously a cover up. Assuming it did happen that way, then taking down a corrupt Shichibukai would be a pretty big thing. Given Coby and Helmeppo's position, ranks aren't neccessarily incredibly hard to attain (at least in the lower tiers) in a short amount of time if you have the ability.
Uh, rankings are very difficult to obtain unless one goes to a Naval Academy; this is why Koby and Helmeppo were promoted so quickly, and is likely why Smoker was a Captain yet was so young. Tashigi was an enlisted Sailor so she clearly did not go to any academy; promotions for her are not favoured and are much more difficult to obtain.
A "career" rank in the modern Navy, or rather, a rank that "everyone wants to get to" since it defines a successful career, is Captain. Everything else is just "icing on a birthday cake".
@Battle:
Yes, there will be an issue next week (Another double issue)
As for the week after that, wellā¦ we'll see. :unsure:
So Christmas week their will be a double Issue???
I pray too god Oda stops dragging things OUT and actually get to something of IMPORTANCE!!!
So Christmas week their will be a double Issue???
I pray too god Oda stops dragging things OUT and actually get to something of IMPORTANCE!!!
What Oda have to do that you would actually like the chapter? :wassat:
@AD-HD:
What Oda have to do that you would actually like the chapter? :wassat:
Do you have to ask?
Oda could stop dragging things in the mud and stop playing with it, with a stick!
Their are much more important Issues going on like the Two Emperors having a confrontationā¦.. or what about Ace FINALLY meeting up with Blackbeard?:wassat: You would think their some serious character development issues going on here.
All I liked about this chapter was the fact that Smoker was shown and stating that he will crush the SH crew in "The New World."
ADHD, man, you gotta learn. We need less character development and MOAR FIGHTING YEAH
I'd also like to mention that, I'm sure it's been said before, but Smoker looks friggin' great.
Phenomenol, have you ever heard storytelling?
And all those things have happened three days ago.
@AD-HD:
Phenomenol, have you ever heard storytelling?
And all those things have happened three days ago.
What storytelling?ā¦...:wassat:
Seeing MORE character development about Ussop..LOL!
Seeing Franky run around Naked and Robbin coping a feel..LOL!
Or how about Zoro trying to be tough and debating whether or NOt Ussop should rejoin the crew? (especially when it was OBVIOUS that he was going to be reunited) LOL!
How about some damn character developmet or "storytelling" (as you call it) with some things of IMPORTANCE.....
So Christmas week their will be a double Issue???
I pray too god Oda stops dragging things OUT and actually get to something of IMPORTANCE!!!
There'll be a chapter next week IF Jump #6-7 raws leaks way earlier, since the next double issue's release is only 01/08.
This is a good place for reference:
http://community.livejournal.com/weeklyjump
Yeah, Franky and Usopp joining the crew and the Strawhats getting a new ship isn't at all important. What IS important is ACE VERSUS BLACKBEARD GO GO GO
What storytelling?ā¦...:wassat:
Seeing MORE character development about Ussop..LOL!
Seeing Franky run around Naked and Robbin coping a feel..LOL!
Or how about Zoro trying to be tough and debating whether or NOt Ussop should rejoin the crew? (especially when it was OBVIOUS that he was going to be reunited) LOL!
How about some damn character developmet or "storytelling" (as you call it) with some things of IMPORTANCE.....
There is a thing that is called "main characters".
So Christmas week their will be a double Issue???
I pray too god Oda stops dragging things OUT and actually get to something of IMPORTANCE!!!
whinewhinewhine
As I pointed out on page seven (of course, people who actually take the time to read other peoples posts are rare), this chapter is not a filler. Just because we don't have everyone in an heated fight, doesn't mean it sucks. I remember quite well, when the EL was still going on, and people where whining about it getting boring and wanted to end it as fast as possible.
I guess some people are never satisfied.
whinewhinewhine
As I pointed out on page seven (of course, people who actually take the time to read other peoples posts are rare), this chapter is not a filler. Just because we don't have everyone in an heated fight, doesn't mean it sucks. I remember quite well, when the EL was still going on, and people where whining about it getting boring and wanted to end it as fast as possible.
I guess some people are never satisfied.
Did I say anything about Fights?:wassat:
I am teling you that other things of IMPORTANCE are going on and that Oda can start Character development on Blackbeard and even Ace! Also are you telling me that a confrontation between the two Emperors (which could DISRUPT the balance of the world) is not great for more story plots?:wassat:
Oda, he is dragging everything in the mud!
He is doing that to keep us intrested. Everything can't be resolved within 3 weeks after their appereances.
Did I say anything about Fights?:wassat:
I am teling you that other things of IMPORTANCE are going on and that Oda can start Character development on Blackbeard and even Ace! Also are you telling me that a confrontation between the two Emperors (which could DISRUPT the balance of the world) is not great for more story plots?:wassat:
Oda, he is dragging everything in the mud!
Not only that what the Heck is donflamingo doing, what about Bible Bear and red dog, yellow monkey.
20 years huh Oda?
I guess some people are never satisfied.
That's the problem with democraty, in north korea for example they don't have such problemsā¦ life's always better with a dictature ^^ (that was irony of course...)
He is doing that to keep us intrested. Everything can't be resolved within 3 weeks after their appereances.
I am not saying that, he could indroduce the characters and even ADD a little depth to their developmentā¦.Oh believe me I already know a character's development can NOT be resolved with Oda in a few weeks Like Ussop for example.....LOL! with Oda REPEATING his patterns again it would take years for him to get to characters of actual importance.
I am not saying that, he could indroduce the characters and even ADD a little depth to their developmentā¦.Oh believe me I already know a character's development can NOT be resolved with Oda in a few weeks Like Ussop for example.....LOL! with Oda REPEATING his patterns again it would take years for him to get to characters of actual importance.
Now I disagree with that, Oda has plenty of development for his characters if you look for it.
Take Sanji getting beaten by Calipha for example. Sure, we knew Sanji's feeling for women, but who knew for a fact that he'd nearly die for that belief? And Usopp, his "development" unlike what some people have said isn't a repeat of Arlong Park and Alabasta. He learned those lessons there, applied them at Water 7, and developed in other areas.
As for Blackbeard, yeah it sucks, but deal with it. Complaining to us isn't going to make things go faster, and the stuff that been happening lately can not and should not be skiped for the sake of the Blackbread backstory.
@AD-HD:
Phenomenol, have you ever heard storytelling?
And all those things have happened three days ago.
Seeing what happens with Whitebeard/Shanks and Ace/Blackbeard, even just the results, would probably progress the story a lot more than certain chapters such as with the Franky running around the streets naked and so on which could've been shortened.
But appearantly everything involving fights automatically lacks story?
The scuffle Franky had over his underewear is actually one, but since it's not a fight worth noting, it's automatically considered character development. Which is also automatically placed by those who state it as a fact, as better than action in most case scenarios. Then you go into the "There's no such thing as bad character/story development." In my opinion, people put too much of a emphasis on those words while thinking fights or actually adventuring (staying in one place doing the above for many chapters was considered fine due to the "development" despite One Piece's emphasis on that) are completely irrelevant.
Though I personally didn't find this chapter that bad, especially with the update on Smoker (even if it wasn't a whole lot). I'm hoping to see Buggy proclaim to go into the "New World" also, I think that's the most likely scenario. Hopefully we might see a hint of him being much more of a threat at the same time while doing so.
Now I disagree with that, Oda has plenty of development for his characters if you look for it.
Take Sanji getting beaten by Calipha for example. Sure, we knew Sanji's feeling for women, but who knew for a fact that he'd nearly die for that belief? And Usopp, his "development" unlike what some people have said isn't a repeat of Arlong Park and Alabasta. He learned those lessons there, applied them at Water 7, and developed in other areas.
As for Blackbeard, yeah it sucks, but deal with it. Complaining to us isn't going to make things go faster, and the stuff that been happening lately can not and should not be skiped for the sake of the Blackbread backstory.
Oda's Character development can sometimes be very IRRELEVANT.
Sanji's feeling for women is development?:wassat: We ALREADY knew that Sanji does not go around beating on Womenā¦..and has shown throughout the series how passionate he is about women, Zoro would die for his PASSION Sanji would do the same! We here more talk about Women from Sanji than the "Great Blue." Ussop has always played the same game over and over again.... it is repetitive.
So Franky running around Naked for en entire chapter could not be SHORTENED into a couple of pages? for characters who have a HUGE role as far as story is concerned.....
Take Sanji getting beaten by Calipha for example. Sure, we knew Sanji's feeling for women, but who knew for a fact that he'd nearly die for that belief?
Nearly dying? You mean getting beaten up, likeā¦ For ex when he fought Bon Clay and let him get the upper hand cause he couldn't hit a female face? DEVLOPMENTS
And Usopp, his "development" unlike what some people have said isn't a repeat of Arlong Park and Alabasta. He learned those lessons there, applied them at Water 7, and developed in other areas.
He applied jack at W7, he actually forgot how to fight the way he did at AP and Alabasta, and the only significant thing he did was nothing new; he used sniping against Jango at Syrup, against Hina's fleet at Alabasta and during the Donut race. DEVLPOMETNS
So the whole EL couldn't be fit into 10 chapters? Of course it could, but it would not be as intresting.
The only thing I hope is Oda isn't finished with the big revelations before the next major arc starts. Compared to vol 25 where we were introduced to the head of the Marine and two Shichibukais, chap 432/434 are nice but nothing too spectacular.
I'm willing to bet that all that's going to happen between the 'Two Emperors' is that they're going to talk about Ace and Blackbeard.
..oh, wait. They already did that. What else could they do? If I recall correctly, nothing else was hinted at. So what exactly are you anticipating?
Ace and Blackbeard.. I don't think they'll be seen for awhile unless the Strawhats do something soon to get involved with them. ..which would probably involve them waiting at Water7 longer. (Blackbeard was about to head to Water7, but Ace stopped him.) I'm with the belief that that confrontation was to keep you interested. A hook of sorts.
Anyway, Thanks for the chapter, Battle Franky. I loved the ending to this chapter. Put a warm feelin' in my heart. :)
Phenomenol:
I think the problem you might be having with the current occurences is the fact that you get them weekly as opposed to all at once, the way you got all of Alabasta or all of Skypeia (I'm assuming). When read as a whole series, these few chapters of rest will most likely be entirely necessary and work for the package as a whole. I know that one of the only problems I'm having with Dragonball as I read it now is that as soon as one threat is defeated, another pops up almost instantly with maybe one small chapter dedicated to celebration or aftermath at most. I really like chapters like this, relaxing chapters showing the crew interact without ever really getting anywhere, when reading the series as a whole, and overall I think they are very important for the pacing of the story.
However, I most certainly see what you mean, despite the fact that I honestly couldn't care less whether or not Oda shows us Ace/Blackbeard or Shanks/Whitebeard just yet. I'm finding that I'm not looking forward to these chapters nearly as much as the ones right after Garp was introduced or when other issues were bearing down on us. However, I have faith that these resting chapters will make the package as a whole much more enjoyable in the future.
Okayā¦....I still think while the SH are Celebrating Oda could show us things of importance, The world does NOT revolve around the SH crew.^^^ it look's like it does not revolve at all.
so now smoker has the same rank as purin purin (from arlong park remember)
does that mean smoker would be defeated by Arlongs subordinates if he were to fight them.
Seeing what happens with Whitebeard/Shanks and Ace/Blackbeard, even just the results, would probably progress the story a lot more than certain chapters such as with the Franky running around the streets naked and so on which could've been shortened.
But appearantly everything involving fights automatically lacks story?
The scuffle Franky had over his underewear is actually one, but since it's not a fight worth noting, it's automatically considered character development. Which is also automatically placed by those who state it as a fact, as better than action in most case scenarios. Then you go into the "There's no such thing as bad character/story development." In my opinion, people put too much of a emphasis on those words while thinking fights or actually adventuring (staying in one place doing the above for many chapters was considered fine due to the "development" despite One Piece's emphasis on that) are completely irrelevant.
I couldn't possibly agree more with this statment
Nearly dying? You mean getting beaten up, likeā¦ For ex when he fought Bon Clay and let him get the upper hand cause he couldn't hit a female face? DEVLOPMENTS
Okay, this was a bad example.
He applied jack at W7, he actually forgot how to fight the way he did at AP and Alabasta, and the only significant thing he did was nothing new; he used sniping against Jango at Syrup, against Hina's fleet at Alabasta and during the Donut race. DEVLPOMETNS
Nope, not at all. Speaking of "lessons."
At Arlong Park, Usopp tried to get out of fighting and avoid his opponent and thereby not contributing anything to the crew. He's never done that again (and for people who bring out Soge trying to steal Jyabura's keyā¦the key was more important). He always puts in an effort.
At Alabasta, Usopp was resolved to fight against strong enemies (note that he was thinking of running before this), after Luffy was mocked he stayed, fought and won. So the lesson is...don't back down from strong enemies. After all, the Mr. 4 pair was a far more intimidating opponent then Chuu.
If you'll remember, Usopp didn't do either of these in Enies Lobby. In fact, I dare say that in his fight against Jyabura Usopp actually did everything right, except for the fact that he was outclassed. The key trick was stupid, I'll give into that but it's understandable...getting the keys to save Robin was top priority. However, after that, what happened?
Usopp took an immensely painful attack from Jyabura. Some say he "took it like a bitch," but what are they talking about? He just took it, made an "ouch face"--unless there some shame in just getting hit. But right after it, he gets right back up, tells Jyabura to shut up, and attacks again. That's pretty damn brave, although still Usopp lost.
And for the lost resolve...what? Usopp fought to the very end, until Sanji came and saved him. It's basically a clone incident of Usopp's beating from Enel ,and for some reason people think Oda did that right.
As for the sniping scene, you're joking if you think that any "sniping" that Usopp has done in the past in comparable to that. Usopp shot dozens of people between the eyes--with a slingshot--from a distance that made bullets useless. Do you know how far pullets can travel? They don't stop, they go through someones head, through one house and the other until they're 5 blocks away. And those were rifles too. So, Usopp's superior to a gun.
So, we now know that Usopp is an incredible marksmen, and--it least I think--he helped the SHs in their mission. Usopps ability left less room for error then Franky coming in and punching everyone, what with his accuracy and Spandams tendency to try and kill Robin when the going gets tough.
So yeah, there's DEVLPOMETNS everywhere, more-so then if the Enies Lobby arc didn't happen. Franky, I think that this arc dealt with a problem of Usopp's that been ignored for a while, and everyone is better for having putting it past them. Now..the healing can begin, cause you sure as hell know this isn't going to happen with Usopp again. You're kidding yourself if you think that Usopp can't beat the likes of Franky Family now that he's not emo anymore.
Can i just state that up until now all the fake spoilers and all of us thought Smoker wouldn't accept his promotion. it seems that now Smoker is going after a promotion and that he also doesn't feel his current crew is strong enough. looks like Smoker might try and form an elite force. new head of CP9 anyone?
Oh and Sanji refusing to hit Nami's face and refusing to hit a woman period is really two hugely different things.