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    • Zephos
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      @Pants-eater:

      Ohara shouldn't have existed which is why the WG made up a lie about Robin. Maybe they'll just say he's a murderer or something and throw him in prison.

      Ohara was a known island. The Scholars were known scholars.
      The government made the lie to account for their massacre of them.
      The two are nothing alike.

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        Well, the world doesn't know that! Despite blaming Enies Lobby on the SHs, the CP9 is still a loose end, after all Paulie and Iceberg has seen them–their identities are compromised. That's very bad for a secret assassin.

        CP9 are not loose ends, if having thier identites compromised were an issue tha they'd be arrested on arrival to Enies Lobby. Right before which they had knowingly let Sanji and Usopp live.

        FURTHERMORE, By the point of the Buster Call it would be more than obvious that Galley-La did not blame the stawhats for what CP9 did thus CP9's identity would be known to the assload of Shipwrights back in Water7 as well as Iceburg himself. As Pauley,Lulu, and Tileston were among the invaders.

        Thus clearly even with thier identites known the Buster Call Vice Admirals made certain to not fire on Luchi.

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          Wasn't Arlong trapped in East Blue? What happened to them?

          Kreig/Gin most likely. I have high hopes for everyone since Luffy/Coby met up again.

          Ener and CP9 are up in the blue since their stories aren't known right now. After mini arc and finding out if CP9 are alive.

          Croc won't do anything. He seems to be a little out of it. Maybe he'll be a…well not good person, but not against Luffy anymore. There's nothing really against Baroque Works now, just like CP9 except for Lucci. They were just two groups fighting under circumstances.

          Originally Posted by Nightwing

          Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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            CP9 are not loose ends, if having thier identites compromised were an issue tha they'd be arrested on arrival to Enies Lobby. Right before which they had knowingly let Sanji and Usopp live.

            FURTHERMORE, By the point of the Buster Call it would be more than obvious that Galley-La did not blame the stawhats for what CP9 did thus CP9's identity would be known to the assload of Shipwrights back in Water7 as well as Iceburg himself. As Pauley,Lulu, and Tileston were among the invaders.

            Thus clearly even with thier identites known the Buster Call Vice Admirals made certain to not fire on Luchi.

            It's easily possible that they didn't know about Iceberg and Paulie yet, after all it's been less then a day. And it probably didn't matter about Sanji and Usopp cause they're pirates.

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              I'm someone who believes people just don't die in One Piece. Call me naive, stupid, or stubborn, I just don't believe characters who are named die. I'm not going to argue this, rather just wanted to state this.

              As for who comes back…

              Eneru: Not likely. That dude has found his utopia (or assume he has, we don't really know yet). Why bother going back to boring old inferior Blue Seas?

              Kuro: He could, but he would suck. Honestly, Kuro makes a great East Blue villian, but would suck on the Grand Line. He lacks the power to take on Grand Line foes, and careful planning is somewhat useless in a place were unpredictable pirates rule. As cool as Kuro was, he's not a Grand Line dude.

              Arlong: On the assumption he's alive, which could be wrong, I could see him coming back. Especially once the crew reaches the merman/fishman (I'm still confused exactly which species lives there or if it's both) island.

              Krieg: I'd like him and Gin to come back. If they will is kinda up in the air. I think Oda himself didn't know. He made it sound like Gin was going to meet Sanji later, but at another point Gin says stuff that makes it sound like he's short on time. Maybe Gin is alive, perhaps he's dead or too sick to fight. Either way, Krieg is a toss up.

              Croc: I have no idea. The whole Impel Down thing could be a way to end the story of the Baroque Works group, or it could be an elaborate set up for the next meeting of the group. I'd want to say Mr. 2 should make a 2nd appearance, but I see no reason for Mr. 1 or 3 to visit the group.

              Mr. 1: So uh Zoro... still remember how to cut steel?
              Zoro: Yea, I'm cool.
              Mr. 1: Alright... sigh I'll be over there then...

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                Ohm was hit by Hyakuhachi Poundo Hou, so yeah, he's not dead.

                the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit

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                  Enel. That's all. The others are not going to be seen in the plot again.

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                    Says Volume 43's SBS:

                    😧 Question!! If God Ener were to descend to the Blue Sea, how much would his bounty be? Also, what would happen if he did that? Would he rule the Blue Sea? P.N. Gorozoro

                    O: I see. Interesting question. Knowing how tricky he would be to beat, I'd imagine he could reach as much as 500 million. Luffy was lucky to be rubber. But like Luffy said, there all sorts of even crazier guys down on the Blue Sea. Ener would NOT rule it.

                    Then Oda's a fool for saying that. How can the lightning incarnation not be invincible. Enel could easily wipe out opverse if not for plotnojitsu. Meh, what does a mere mangaka know anyway. Enel fans >>>> Oda any day of the week. Believe it.

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                      @fightingu_dengakuman:

                      Then Oda's a fool for saying that. How can the lightning incarnation not be invincible. Enel could easily wipe out opverse if not for plotnojitsu. Meh, what does a mere mangaka know anyway. Enel fans >>>> Oda any day of the week. Believe it.

                      Don't jump the gun; Ener might be the most powerful villan thus far, but that doesn't mean there will be guys in the New World who couldn't take him out easily. Surely, Ener was outrageously powerful even by Grand Line standards, and if he had trained his Logia he could become a serious power; but that's not his style or his concern.

                      As of right now, Oda's introduced two characters who could beat Ener without trouble; Luffy and Aokiji. Croc might actually have a fighting chance as well, because although lightning would turn Croc's sand into glass, his hook would act like a lightning rod and attract any electrical bolts going toward him. If Ener ever got close to Croc, he'd just grab him and suck out all of Ener's moisture.

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                        Then Oda's a fool for saying that. How can the lightning incarnation not be invincible. Enel could easily wipe out opverse if not for plotnojitsu. Meh, what does a mere mangaka know anyway. Enel fans >>>> Oda any day of the week. Believe it.

                        He knows more than you apparently, even I (The guy who brought up Ener kicking ass on Blue Sea) concede that the level of variables we don't know can easily factor into this. Its idiotic to say "Oda dont know.." when Oda knows more than we do. Until the series is done he will always know more.
                        Seastone alone is well….abundant as hell on the....y'know...sea.
                        And Wiper almost killed him with it.
                        I imagine CP9 armed with seastone could kill Ener rather easily. One Soru and its over.
                        Ener also couldn't hurt Ace, Smoker, Croc, maybe not Aokiji. etc.

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                          Currently my hopes are this:

                          BB defeats Ace, and the WG sends Ace to Impel Down.

                          The current arc will continue:

                          Shipgraveyard -> Mermen Island (Atlantis type, its underwater, but the city itself is open air) -> Impel Down (underwater prison?)

                          And then we meet back up with Ace and Crocodile/#1/#2/#3 in Impel Down

                          Croc obviously had a reason for going to Impel Down when he could have easily escaped the WG in the cover stories. Even if it continues much later in another cover story, he will definately reappear again to accomplish whatever it is that he was setting out to do by staying in prison.

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                            Croc obviously had a reason for going to Impel Down when he could have easily escaped the WG in the cover stories. Even if it continues much later in another cover story, he will definately reappear again to accomplish whatever it is that he was setting out to do by staying in prison.

                            You know, I really don't think he has any plan in mind. Rather, I just think he, like Mr. 1 right next to him, feels beaten since Alabasta.

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                              You know, I really don't think he has any plan in mind. Rather, I just think he, like Mr. 1 right next to him, feels beaten since Alabasta.

                              Nah.

                              One of the covers, if I do remember right, had him smoking a cigar while grinning and thinking "I'm not leaving just yet" or "I'm not ready to go" or something along those lines.

                              That's not the thoughts and face of a man who feels beaten. Even in thier mug shots, Croc was smiling. This is a man who always had a plan for a plan for a plan. If he ways he's staying for a reason, than he's got a plan. It's actually one of the most interesting cover subplots that's still running imo, because what could he be trying to accomplish in a prison he couldn't do while running free?

                              Besides, does anyone really think Oda is going to leave Bon Clay in Impel Down indefinately? I mean, c'mon. We will definately be revisiting Croc's storyline in the future.

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                                @odlam:

                                That's not the thoughts and face of a man who feels beaten. Even in thier mug shots, Croc was smiling.

                                Maybe Croc's just a guy who can't pass up a good photo op.

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                                  @Rollo:

                                  Maybe Croc's just a guy who can't pass up a good photo op.

                                  A lesson that Sanji has probably made a mental note of.

                                  The cover stories have taught us something important: we never know who or what could be of importance in those things. For all we know Hatchi's mermaid is Kokoro's niece or something. It's all going to come back to the big revelation that Garp was Luffy's grandfather and Koby and Helmeppo got a little badass.

                                  So far, as far as villains go, we've seen Buggy, Alvida, Hatchi, Morgan, Jango, Fullbody (sorta - he was a dick but he really wasn't evil), Wapol, most of the Baroque Works, and now Enel in the cover stories. Buddy, Alvida, Jango, and Fullbody have each resurfaced in the main storyline again. I would say that anyone who's appeared before could appear again at a later time.

                                  Who knows? Maybe some of the past villains will reappaer and offer a truce. Stranger things have happened in the most recent chapters.

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                                    It'd be nice to see some old villains get re-introduced into the main story. Why should only the Strawhats develop/get stronger? Not Arlong though, because of the impact he had on Nami's life. I agree with the poster who said Luffy closed that chapter in her life.

                                    But if he were to show up again, Nami should utterly destroy him with her new command of lightning.

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                                      I think it would pointless to bring back an old villian, simply because Luffy has exceeded them by far in terms of power.

                                      Gear 2 could probably OWN them all together. If they do return to meet Luffy again, it will be certainly for a comedic purpose. Like Luffy OWNING an over-confident Crocodile or something along the lines.

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                                        Luffy can't own Crocodile with Gear 2.

                                        He need water to do that.

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                                          @Zephos:

                                          He knows more than you apparently, even I (The guy who brought up Ener kicking ass on Blue Sea) concede that the level of variables we don't know can easily factor into this. Its idiotic to say "Oda dont know.." when Oda knows more than we do. Until the series is done he will always know more.
                                          Seastone alone is well….abundant as hell on the....y'know...sea.
                                          And Wiper almost killed him with it.
                                          I imagine CP9 armed with seastone could kill Ener rather easily. One Soru and its over.
                                          Ener also couldn't hurt Ace, Smoker, Croc, maybe not Aokiji. etc.

                                          Mantra.

                                          The only thing that can beat eneru is something faster than a pissed off luffy whipping a 2 ton ball of gold from a mile away in a split second. Basically imagine DBZ like speed and power accopanied by a seastone weapon and or another grounded indivudal who can out quick enerus mind reading.

                                          I could imagine marines in high tech rubber suits combatting eneru as well. What I'd love to see however is a sea stone sword wielded by Mihawk, Shanks, Whitebeard, or anyone alse who can split the sky with their speed.

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                                            I think Don Krieg had the most potential out of all of them, to make a come back.

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                                              Lots of men in Rubber suits = ener gets owned…

                                              unless i missed some idea in the story... but Lucci with a Rubber Suit on could own Ener... I dont think he even requires a seastone... he is too weak for that.

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                                                The only previous villian I'm expecting to return is Buggy… Partly due to his grudge against Shanks, revenge on Luffy and now possibly because Ace ditched him somehow. Also Oda stated in one interview Buggy is his fav. villian. Judging by the amount of sketches released on him and his crew in the early ne Piece volumes I think its obivous he is.

                                                The others... I'm just going to say, if we see them, we seem them. Thats all it is to it.

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                                                  I always figured in the beginning that Buggy would end up gathering the majority of villains together and creating his own monster crew to rival the strawhats. You can bet Buggy is tailing the Strawhats in the grandline for sure.

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                                                    There are already villains who have guaranteed comebacks.

                                                    You know who they are.

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                                                      Only thing I'm hoping for is a DBF with Buggy vs Foxy ministory. Buggy wins and takes Foxy, those two deserve to be in the same crew. They're both crazy.

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                                                        I can imagine them all coming back, chasing after Luffy. It may be a short reappereance, but I want all of them in the final arc, either helping Luffy or the final enemy he'll be fighting.

                                                        -Enel will come back from space with an army of these weird guys.
                                                        -Arlong may be at fishman island. At least we will find aot more about what
                                                        happened to him there.
                                                        -Crocodile is a pirate again, right? He will definitely search for one piece (and
                                                        Luffy).
                                                        -I want the CP9 to come back, too. Well, mainly Kaku and Rucchi.

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                                                          MMMMHHH….

                                                          I can see Kuro reappearing. His ultimate seems stronger than the soru CP9 used. Members of CP9 become a renegade group, bang into Kuro, got owned by a Level Up Kuro.

                                                          I can see Kreig. This time fighting dirtier than ever, thus becoming the dirtiest pirate alive.

                                                          I can't see Arlong. Thus someone finally died in One Piece.

                                                          I can see Croc reappearing. He will not see Luffy as an enemy anymore.
                                                          Luffy show him the power of dreams. He will embrace his again.

                                                          I see Eneru appearing with his space army at the end of a great battle, taking down many strong powerful inhuman enemies, laughing as he step on the face of his defeated enemies, proclaiming himself as GOD of the Blue Sea...
                                                          Then Luffy appears and own him, gaining the title "KILLER OF GOD"...

                                                          I see shit coming also... Ok go crazy now...

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                                                            @nobody:

                                                            I can imagine them all coming back, chasing after Luffy. It may be a short reappereance, but I want all of them in the final arc, either helping Luffy or the final enemy he'll be fighting.

                                                            -Enel will come back from space with an army of these weird guys.
                                                            -Arlong may be at fishman island. At least we will find aot more about what
                                                            happened to him there.
                                                            -Crocodile is a pirate again, right? He will definitely search for one piece (and
                                                            Luffy).

                                                            -I want the CP9 to come back, too. Well, mainly Kaku and Rucchi.

                                                            Isn't it funny? Croc said that his doesn't have anymore the dream of finding the one piece <because of="" the="" powers="" people="" much="" more="" powerfull="" than="" him,="" and="" he="" was="" saying="" with="" a="" little="" sadness(i="" think…)="" telling="" this="" to="" ruffy="" then,="" actually="" got="" strong="" defeat="" him="" showing="" same="" power="" showed="" every="" villain="" that="" had="" apeared,="" how="" would="" man="" who="" crushed="" two="" his="" dreams="" try="" live="" normally,="" or="" set="" sail="" again="" in="" sea?="" croc="" soooo="" good="" bad="" guy,="" did="" everything="" and,="" unfurtunatelly,="" also="" loses="" everything.<br="">I think that if I was a pirate and listened about what happened about the situation of crocodile - to impel down, losing the place at shitibukai, the so called 'the seven only "above" the king of the pirates' - I would laugh and say that he didn't deserve that title and I would fight him if eventually I meet him in the sea. Lots of pirates would think in that way, somehow. All the pride croc have, more or less, is totally smashed, people wouldn't respect him anymore, al least in the way they did....

                                                            Wow! XD first time that I write something this big in english! but maybe, now, because he isn't a shitibukai anymore and he was defeated for a "nobody" he is more open-minded and "free". Idon't thing revenge would fit him like he is now < hey.... he didn't wanted to run in impel down!! Last case, I want him in the mugiwara! XDDD (of course, vivi too with karu, wouldn't it be interesting?)</because>

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                                                              Wow! XD first time that I write something this big in english! but maybe, now, because he isn't a shitibukai anymore and he was defeated for a "nobody" he is more open-minded and "free". Idon't thing revenge would fit him like he is now < hey…. he didn't wanted to run in impel down!! Last case, I want him in the mugiwara! XDDD (of course, vivi too with karu, wouldn't it be interesting?)

                                                              Nice idea.. I'm with you..

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