Dixxy Mouri I swear I bust a gut with your original post of the bounties in Chopper Units and i'll crack up everytime I see your signature.. pure comedy gold..
Chapter 435 " I Can Guess How You're Feeling" Discussion
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Still not translation yet, give me an hour.
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Dixxy Mouri I swear I bust a gut with your original post of the bounties in Chopper Units and i'll crack up everytime I see your signature.. pure comedy gold..
It's probably one of the funniest things I've done in weeks. Thank you!
Anyone think that Oda will make sketches of the new ship like he did of the Going Merry (volume 11)? I've been very curious about the layout of the new ship for a while now.
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The new ship will probably have a Lion head. I mean, Oda's been drawing a lot of lions lately :P
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@Dixxy:
… And Sanji's picture didn't seem so bad from the spoiler - those lips really make it atrocious. But what'll happen when the Marines finally get a picture of him? It'll probably be just as bad if not worse....
I´d imagine Sanji handing down portraits of himself to the very next marine he meets (of course after kicking him to a pulp).
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The new ship will probably have a Lion head. I mean, Oda's been drawing a lot of lions lately :P
That would actually be very fitting…going from a lamb to a lion. :)
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!!! I just had a thought that Sanji's and Nami's posters were partially concealed on purpose to hide their surnames.
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Ok, translation here:
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That would actually be very fitting…going from a lamb to a lion. :)
The name of the new ship will be THE SEA MONKEY. I can just feel it.
!!! I just had a thought that Sanji's and Nami's posters were partially concealed on purpose to hide their surnames.
Probably not. Franky's bounty page credits him as Franky, not Cutty Flam. I guess Marine knowledge can be limited; I doubt the CP9 are in any state to talk.
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Ok, translation here:
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=10068thans a lot, mate. you really do a nice job on these translations ^^
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That's a fair rationale. I can't say it's beyond the realm of possibility. But still, maybe the best thing that he can do for Franky Family at this point is to leave. They proved that they're strong enough to take care of themselves. In the beginning they were always calling Franky for help, but then they came into their own and went to rescue him. They don't NEED Franky to lead them anymore.
What it's going to come down to is whether Franky wants to go or stay.
That's the thing. Apart from Franky feeling the need to run away with his tail between his legs because the big bad gov't gave him a bounty, I don't see any reason why Franky would want to go. It's been stated in this chapter that Franky's "'dream ship' is complete," so we know Franky has already fulfilled his dream. Granted, Oda could give Franky a second dream, but how likely is that? Why would Oda withhold something as important as a person's dream until the very last moment before that person 'officially' joins? If it's to illicit some sort of surprise in the reader for when Franky does join, then it's a terribly cheap and ineffective way to do so, as Franky joining appears to have been 'obvious' to most people for a long while now (myself excluded of course ^^). Then again, perhaps I shouldn't be second guessing Oda. I suppose with that guy, for better or for worse, anything's possible.
Speaking for myself, the question of whether or not Franky will join is still up in the air. The FF family asking Luffy to take Franky along with him is either a set up for a terribly unsatisfying way to have Franky join, or it's a setup to put to rest once and for all the belief that Franky will be the next member. It all hinges on Luffy's answer, which will, hopefully, be in the next chapter.
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OH DEAR GOD!
Someone get the MSN OP chapter translated double-quick!
The whole crew's got a bounty!
Even Sogeking!
S'about time Oda did this, but where's the Ace vs. Blackbeard fight I was looking forward to?
I like how Sanji's been named the 'Black Leg' instead of Zeff's 'Red Leg' nickname, but what's up with 'Chopper the Cotton Candy Lover'? I didn't see Chopper eat any cotton candy.
SOGEKING THE SHARPSHOOTER!
XD Awesome!And Nami the Burglar Cat.
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ok, looks like there's definitely no chapter next week…
now we can all cry together.
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ok, looks like there's definitely no chapter next week…
now we can all cry together.
Meh, bugger that, at least the Straw Hats finally got bounties.
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Erm, can somebody explain to me why the chapter is titled "Understand Your Feelings"? I don´t seem to get to what part in the chapter that might be refering to. The FF families feelings about Franky needing to go possibly? :sad:
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Did you notice that, while everyone was expecting a chapter with WB, BB ….. Oda just brought in a chapter full of comedy?
I hope he will let us know about the other things at least a little more soon.Btw I hope Sanji will once meet the one who drew that picture of him =)
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Oh just got another idea… what if Sanji met the one and it was a beautiful girl..... what would he do ?
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Btw I hope Sanji will once meet the one who drew that picture of him =)
you're done for man!Yah, I hope the Black Leg will totally own that crappy artist.
I mean, even I could probably draw better than him, and as most of you know, I can't draw to save my life.Oh, and who else has thought about the Strawhat's bounties reaching Shanks or Nami's bounty reaching Cocoyashi Village, or Sanji's reaching Zeff (after the picture is fixed of course) or Sogeking's reaching Kaya and she goes "He looks strangely like Usopp-kun."?
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Well, Franky not really having a motive to join (aside from the bounty) isn't really a problem, I think. He already has taken a liking tot the strawhats and they are going to sail his ship. He has gotten a bounty and he'll probably realize the Franky Family might just be crazy enough to try to save him if he gets caught, even if there's zero chance of success. Those three points alone, and the bounty itself, could be plenty of reason for him to join.
And aside from that… the strawhats really need a shipwright. Of course, it's not like Franky should join them because THEY need a shipwright, but I can imagine a scene where luffy happily flies at the ship seeing it for the first time, only to knock straight into it breaking something. Franky gets pissed, whacks Luffy silly and declares it's too risky to just hand the ship over to them as they'll just wreck it in notime and joins the crew to 'take care of his dream ship'.
Of course, this is just speculation, but really... it is Franky's Dream ship. Building it is nice, but once you have build it, you will also need to maintain it. So wouldn't that logically be Franky's job as well? Would he be willing to let any other shipwright (aside from Iceburg and some of his most trusted friends) take care of the ship? I don't really think so. Aside from that… If he builds the ship and doesn't go along... would it really be satisfying?"Yeah, I build the ship of my dreams... but it sailed out right after it was build and I have nothing to do with it anymore.... yeah... ... ... ... ...awkward silence.
To go short, I think the Dreamship itself will be reason enough for Franky to join :P. It was and still is his dream after all...
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Also, it's clear the next villain will be the guy/thing that's making ship's crews disappear in the 'Furorian Triangle Area'.
It might be Jimbei, and if it is, the Black Leg will probably turn him into sushi.
Time to get in gear, Luffy. (Pun not intended…but it does work.)
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@Nefyme:
Well, Franky not really having a motive to join (aside from the bounty) isn't really a problem, I think. He already has taken a liking tot the strawhats and they are going to sail his ship. He has gotten a bounty and he'll probably realize the Franky Family might just be crazy enough to try to save him if he gets caught, even if there's zero chance of success. Those three points alone, and the bounty itself, could be plenty of reason for him to join.
The most important motive to consider when trying to figure out whether or not a person has potential to be a Straw Hat is that person's dream. If that person has no dream, or has a dream that doesn't require that person to travel with the Straw Hats to fulfill it, then that person just simply isn't a Straw Hat.
@Nefyme:
And aside from that… the strawhats really need a shipwright.
Assuming the ship Franky builds for them even needs a shipwright of course.
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wow amazing chapter!
finally mermaid island! hopefully an arc that would feature sanji…and maybe all blue and his left eye etc...
and would there be a possibility of hachi reappearance since he had a mini story with other mermens? :) -
@CC:
wow amazing chapter!
finally mermaid island! hopefully an arc that would feature sanji…and maybe all blue and his left eye etc...
and would there be a possibility of hachi reappearance since he had a mini story with other mermens? :)All Blue?
Don't make me laugh. They probably won't find All Blue until they get onto the New World.
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@Fat:
That's the thing. Apart from Franky feeling the need to run away with his tail between his legs because the big bad gov't gave him a bounty, I don't see any reason why Franky would want to go. It's been stated in this chapter that Franky's "'dream ship' is complete," so we know Franky has already fulfilled his dream. Granted, Oda could give Franky a second dream, but how likely is that? Why would Oda withhold something as important as a person's dream until the very last moment before that person 'officially' joins? If it's to illicit some sort of surprise in the reader for when Franky does join, then it's a terribly cheap and ineffective way to do so, as Franky joining appears to have been 'obvious' to most people for a long while now (myself excluded of course ^^). Then again, perhaps I shouldn't be second guessing Oda. I suppose with that guy, for better or for worse, anything's possible.
Speaking for myself, the question of whether or not Franky will join is still up in the air. The FF family asking Luffy to take Franky along with him is either a set up for a terribly unsatisfying way to have Franky join, or it's a setup to put to rest once and for all the belief that Franky will be the next member. It all hinges on Luffy's answer, which will, hopefully, be in the next chapter.
A point: even if Franky has already built his "dream ship," he can still travel along with it to ensure that it finishes its journey, can't he? It is still his dream.
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Anyone notice Robin doing the hand wave on page 5? I think this is the first time she's joined in on that.
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In my opinion Luffy's high bounty really doesn't reflect his strength but more of his "THREAT level" to the Government. What he did at EL was basically Burn the Flag (declare war on the government) and escape a buster call. As far as his strength in his bounty is concerned it's really not a factor, he beat a CP9 member….wow...so did the rest of the SH crew. Luffy's bounty is higher than his fighting power and their are still much more powerful characters shown that are ahead of him. Doflamingo and Barthalamew Kuma for example.
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@CC:
and would there be a possibility of hachi reappearance since he had a mini story with other mermens? :)
I like the idea of him showing up again. Though, I can't help but wonder how Crocodile and friends being shipped off to the burned up Enies Lobby will factor into the story. I doubt it'll become another mini-story.
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Anyone notice Robin doing the hand wave on page 5? I think this is the first time she's joined in on that.
Yeah, I just noticed that there.
Maybe she's finally starting to come out of her non-comedic, morbid, angsty shell?
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Hmm. So new Strawhat crew bounty value is (assuming Franky and Sogeking count): 667,000,050 Beri ?
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Hmm. So new Strawhat crew bounty value is (assuming Franky and Sogeking count): 667,000,050 Beri ?
Oh em gee!
I sense a short Luffy vs. Blackbeard fight is forthcoming.
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Any else picture this scenario:
1. Strawhats depart for Gyojin Island.
2. BB and Crew arrive in Water 7 with a beat up Ace, looking for Luffy.
3. Usopp sees them and recognizes Ace.
4. Usopp Snipes the BB crew with a Sure Killing Phoenix Smoke Star.
5. During the confusion, Usopp rescues Ace and runs the hell away.
6. Ace thanks Usopp and asks about Luffy.
7. After explaining the situation, Ace freaks about finding out who his father is.
8. The two depart for Gyojin Island. Blackbeard persues, but his ship is blown up again by Usopp.
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Am I the only one really dissapointed by Sanji, Franky and Nami's bounties? Sanji owned a trainload of marines (including the leaders of CP6 and CP7), caused the Buster Call ships to engage in friendly fire AND defeated Jyabura yet his bounty is only slightly higher than Zoro's first. How in the hell is defeating Das Bones - a wanted villain- and taking on some nameless Baroque Works guys more threatening to the marines than DIRECTLY attacking the World Government? And on that note, why did Zoro's bounty freaking double if he didn't even do half as much as Sanji?
Nami's bounty is also an eye-brow raiser. She defeated a Cipher Pol 9 member yet her bounty isn't even half that of freaking Sarquiss. It's lower than the bounty Luffy got for defeating Arlong!! Just what the fuck did Sarquiss do that's more of a threat to the world than assaulting and defeating a high ranking government assasin? And how in the hell is Franky's burning of the Pluton blueprints and defeat of two CP9 members les of a crime than Zoro defeating Das Bones? 44 Million is way too low for a guy who matched Base Luffy.
Unless Oda's implying Nami's weaker than Don Krieg, Franky's weaker than Bellamy and Zoro is nearly twice as strong as Sanji, bounties mean absolutely nothing now.
Edit: Sorry, I was just a little disgruntled. I'm really not as upset as this message implies.
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Am I the only one really dissapointed by Sanji, Franky and Nami's bounties? Sanji owned a trainload of marines (including the leaders of CP6 and CP7), caused the Buster Call ships to engage in friendly fire AND defeated Jyabura yet his bounty is only slightly higher than Zoro's first. How in the hell is defeating Das Bones - a wanted villain- and taking on some nameless Baroque Works guys more threatening to the marines than DIRECTLY attacking the World Government? And on that note, why did Zoro's bounty freaking double if he didn't even do half as much as Sanji?
Nami's bounty is also an eye-brow raiser. She defeated a Cipher Pol 9 member yet her bounty isn't even half that of freaking Sarquiss. It's lower than the bounty Luffy got for defeating Arlong!! Just what the fuck did Sarquiss do that's more of a threat to the world than assaulting and defeating a high ranking government assasin? And how in the hell is Franky's burning of the Pluton blueprints and defeat of two CP9 members les of a crime than Zoro defeating Das Bones? 44 Million is way too low for a guy who matched Base Luffy.
Unless Oda's implying Nami's weaker than Don Krieg, Franky's weaker than Bellamy and Zoro is nearly twice as strong as Sanji, bounties mean absolutely nothing now.
Because shes female. Comon now, this is a Japanese manga.
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Am I the only one really dissapointed by Sanji, Franky and Nami's bounties? Sanji owned a trainload of marines (including the leaders of CP6 and CP7), caused the Buster Call ships to engage in friendly fire AND defeated Jyabura yet his bounty is only slightly higher than Zoro's first. How in the hell is defeating Das Bones - a wanted villain- and taking on some nameless Baroque Works guys more threatening to the marines than DIRECTLY attacking the World Government? And on that note, why did Zoro's bounty freaking double if he didn't even do half as much as Sanji?
Nami's bounty is also an eye-brow raiser. She defeated a Cipher Pol 9 member yet her bounty isn't even half that of freaking Sarquiss. It's lower than the bounty Luffy got for defeating Arlong!! Just what the fuck did Sarquiss do that's more of a threat to the world than assaulting and defeating a high ranking government assasin? And how in the hell is Franky's burning of the Pluton blueprints and defeat of two CP9 members les of a crime than Zoro defeating Das Bones? 44 Million is way too low for a guy who matched Base Luffy.
Unless Oda's implying Nami's weaker than Don Krieg, Franky's weaker than Bellamy and Zoro is nearly twice as strong as Sanji, bounties mean absolutely nothing now.
Edit: Sorry, I was just a little disgruntled. I'm really not as upset as this message implies.
FOR THE LAST TIME!
Bounty does not equal Power Level.
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FOR THE LAST TIME!
Bounty does not equal Power Level.
Yeah…people are forgeting that the "people" who make these bounties aren't fans of the SHs like we are.
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Sanji's bounty pic was funny as hell! I died laughing. I thought Zror's bounty would've been a tad higher. Nami's was higher than expected. Robin is only 50-80 million, and Franky is only 44 million? I'dve thought them both to be 100 at least, considering how much of a threat they are to the gov, with the secret knowledge they possess, and the people they're affiliated with now. What's the average bounty for a pirate anyway?
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I died
**Then you shouldn't be posting.
And remember, Luffy's bounty takes into account the fact that he commands the rest of the SH. Otherwise, I think it would be just a bit over Zoro's.**
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FOR THE LAST TIME!
Bounty does not equal Power Level.
Another point to consider, there may be higher standards for bounties that far into the Grand Line.
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Hmmm I was wondering, does anyone know where Nami's bounty pic was shot?
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Hmmm I was wondering, does anyone know where Nami's bounty pic was shot?
Clearly it was sometime during the pool party, during chapter 433. I doubt she's wore that bikini before hand with a marine around at the same time.
Hey, this just dawned on my after reading the chapter again…how did that mole/rabbit soldier thing in the cover story survive Enel's attack? It looks like it hit him. That's very strange...
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I was laughing so much at Sanji's picture. ROFL. The poor guy. First he gets no bounty,and then gets one with a messed up picture.
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The scanslation is up it seems. Cool, so Luffy spent 100 million up that party….hope they enjoyed it. And yet, they seem to have enough left to get by.
And yet, it sounds like this Fririon (sp) triangle might have some cool treasures in it, like maybe a new sword fo Zoro. Hey, perhaps this place will prepare the SHs for the merman island arc?
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Ah, I never though about that; I think it's quite likely for him to find a sword in the Ghost Triangle. Maybe a sword owned by a powerful swordsman?
And I'm fairly sure that the little soldier guy is pretty durable, also Pagaya (???, Conis' dad) survived being zapped as well, who knows, maybe the guy's hats made of rubber.
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Am I the only one really dissapointed by Sanji, Franky and Nami's bounties? Sanji owned a trainload of marines (including the leaders of CP6 and CP7), caused the Buster Call ships to engage in friendly fire AND defeated Jyabura yet his bounty is only slightly higher than Zoro's first. How in the hell is defeating Das Bones - a wanted villain- and taking on some nameless Baroque Works guys more threatening to the marines than DIRECTLY attacking the World Government? And on that note, why did Zoro's bounty freaking double if he didn't even do half as much as Sanji?
Zoro had a reputation, in East Blue at least, even before Luffy was famous. Sanji have been an unknown guy for 400+ chapters. A 77 million first bounty isn't that low. I thought that's just nice for Sanji.
At EL, Zoro was leading the crew like a captain, and it was done in the open. The marines or govt pple may have mistken him for a vice captain. While Sanji was closing the GoJ (which probably went unnoticed), Zoro fought with his share of 200 marine HQ colonels, in front of the VAs. Zoro defeated Kaku, who's around Jyabura's level. IMO, without the seatrain incident, Sanji won't even get a bounty anywhere near what he's getting now.
Nami's bounty is also an eye-brow raiser. She defeated a Cipher Pol 9 member yet her bounty isn't even half that of freaking Sarquiss. It's lower than the bounty Luffy got for defeating Arlong!! Just what the fuck did Sarquiss do that's more of a threat to the world than assaulting and defeating a high ranking government assasin?
Let's be honest here. Although Nami is one of my fav, I have to admit that if there's a Nami vs Sarquiss battle, common sense tells me that Sarquiss is the winner. If I didn't remember wrongly, there's a consensus in this forum that Nami vs Califa is a joke and retarded battle. 16 million is being generous.
@Geese:And how in the hell is Franky's burning of the Pluton blueprints and defeat of two CP9 members les of a crime than Zoro defeating Das Bones? 44 Million is way too low for a guy who matched Base Luffy.
That's precisely the problem: The Pluton blueprint was burnt. Then again 44 million is certainly a little low for Franky. He should get at least 55 million.
And Nami is really weaker than Don Krieg.
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@Mr.:
Ah, I never though about that; I think it's quite likely for him to find a sword in the Ghost Triangle. Maybe a sword owned by a powerful swordsman?
And I'm fairly sure that the little soldier guy is pretty durable, also Pagaya (???, Conis' dad) survived being zapped as well, who knows, maybe the guy's hats made of rubber.
Ah yes, I kind of hope everyone gets a little something as well. Although, it'd be a stretch for new weapons aside from swords to be in that ghost arc…we'll have to see.
However, while the skypians survived Enel's lighting, this little guy got right back up and saluted.
What is he? I'm beginning to fear that Enel might get into serious fights with woodland creatures here.
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My analysis of the bounties (in response to various other people analyzing the bounties for themselves):
Luffy: He's the main character. Period, end of sentence. That plus everything he's done since Moragn (that the WG would know/care about) was probably factored in.
Zoro: Zoro took out T-Bone after Sanji booted him from the train, plus he was already well-known, as has been stated several times before.
Sanji: Silly picture aside, Sanji's first bounty is damn IMPRESSIVE. Of all the people who are "confirmed" or former Straw Hats, he has the SECOND HIGHEST first bounty in entire crew - it's more than double Luffy's first bounty. Number wise, he's probably very pleased with himself (aside from having a lower current bounter than Zoro).
Interesting, his picture might be inadvertantly part of why his bounty is as high as it is - they didn't get a picture of him, so the Marines might see him as extra stealthy or evasive - heck, a photographer could probably get a nice chunk of change just for getting a picture of him. Point is, bounty hunters are going to have to work a little harder to find Sanji even with his tell-tale eyebrow (which, for all we know is a common trait on his home island in North Blue).
Nami: The female thing probably plays into it (the Women's Studies part of me doesn't like that at all), but at the same time, Robin is a female, too - innocent of destroying BC ships as a kid or not, she has the highest first bounty in the crew and has a higher bounty than everyone but Luffy and Zoro, so that can't be THAT big of a factor (plus I don't think Nami wants a big bounty - not that the Marines would care what she thinks but I digress).
Keep in mind that we don't know the fate of the CP9 - the other Marines only got a small taste of the Perfect ClimaTact. Things like Fata Morgana can probably be used not only on herself but her crewmates as well - that would be REALLY confusing for ANY enemy of the SH's! If she ever uses that or some other upgrade, she might get more attention.
Usopp/Sogeking: I'm actually surprised that his isn't higher based on my theory about the whole "bad picture" thing for Sanji. They've probably figured out it's a mask, but they don't know who's under the mask. Then again, Usopp didn't have any major battles during the Enies Lobby assault despite much fan complaint. We also have to speculate that it's possible there's more to his new weapon (he IS a liar so it's possible that he was bluffing when telling Sanji and Zoro about the other ability), so we don't really know how "powerful" Usopp is at this point.
Robin: She didn't do much in the Enies Lobby arc, and since there's no purpose in lowering her bounty, they just changed the picture and upped it a little, possibly because she has friends now, and her friends are a little scary. Especially the one with the Straw Hat.
Franky: I'm actually surprised his isn't on par with Sanji, especially if you included his crimes from the Sea Train incident when Tom was brought to Impel Down.
Chopper: Well, it's entirely possible that they don't even know WHAT Chopper is. A lot of characters call him a tanuki. It isn't necessarily obvious that he's a reindeer who ate the Human Human Fruit unless you know his backstory.
Now, we also have to keep in mind that there are two or three incoming Straw Hats (two if Luffy includes himself in the ten, three if Luffy meant ten plus himself, possibly more if Luffy decides to go to eleven or twelve if he decides the second half of the Grand Line recquires more man power or he wants an entire band instead of one musician). There's no way to tell this right now, but I'm wondering how the current bounties will affect - if at all - the new members of the crew when they join.
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Hey puds, I'm done with 435, check it here.
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Thanks bunches stephen, I love Sanji's line at Usopp. "What the HELL is that moron doing?"
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Yes, thanks stephen, the chapters always come to life much more so with your translation. ^^
Man, I still can't believe they finished the ship in 3 days. I think it was Terek that said right out "It's One Piece, they'll finish the ship in three days." Amazing. XD