Wasn't the whole Robin thing sort of a kidnapping? Does that count?
Chapter 435 " I Can Guess How You're Feeling" Discussion
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As it was already stated correctly in this thread, the average East Blue bounty isn´t 1 million Belly, it is 3 millions.
Sorry.
I´m affraid I don´t understand what you mean by Median, Mean, Mode Grand Line bounty leave alone where you got the numeric info on them from since I don´t remember anything like that being mentioned in the story. :wassat:
Mean: add up all the bounties and divide by the total number of bounties.
Median: rank all the bounties from lowest the highest and pick the middle one; if there are two bounties, average 'em together.
Mode: most common bountyThe numbers are based on all the bounties that have been seen in the series thus far, working on the testimony of Vivi that 30,000,000 is huge for the entrance into Grand Line and 30,000,000 is fair for Jaya.
"adjusted" means I threw out all Shichibukai bounties, anyone from Grand Line's New World and all Straw Hat bounties. This is because I want to measure Grand Line's first half specifically, and we know all of the above are outliers that will throw the numbers.
Actually, though, I re-calced and the mean bounty is [bandwidth] 36,400,000.
Sorry about all the mistakes, folks.
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Wasn't the whole Robin thing sort of a kidnapping? Does that count?
nah, she if anything forced herself on them.
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nah, she if anything forced herself on them.
True that, but even though a real kidnapping is somewhat different the similarity here would be that Luffy has to fight to get his crewmate back, which would be a really boring concept right now after Enies Lobby.
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True that, but even though a real kidnapping is somewhat different the similarity here would be that Luffy has to fight to get his crewmate back, which would be a really boring concept right now after Enies Lobby.
i definitely agree with that, though in regards to the kidnapping, the original train of thought was to do with the Mugiwara kidnapping Franky, as Zoro felt they should've done with vivi.
sorry for not being clearer earlier.
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I meant to bring that up when I first read Stephen's translation too.. it sounds like the franky family wants the strawhats to kidnap franky if he doesn't want to go with em to me alright..
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@Battle:
NO CHAPTER NEXT WEEK!!!
Has anybody ever confirmed this? I thought this was not a sure thing.
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I'm like two pages late, but anyway…
Oh, and Luffy still hasn't passed Flamingo's FORMER bounty after freaking destroying Enies Lobby?
Damn… What the hell is that bastard capable of?
Well, going on the assumption that he's some kind of manipulative puppetmaster that can control people - he either once controlled an important person into doing something (like made a powerful Marine order several ships into a trap, to their deaths), or maybe he's just got that bounty because they fear he could possess them.
Actually, he probably couldn't have ordered people around, because Bellamy seemed to be able to talk. Maybe he possessed a mime Marine?
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i definitely agree with that, though in regards to the kidnapping, the original train of thought was to do with the Mugiwara kidnapping Franky, as Zoro felt they should've done with vivi.
Oh, well that definitely would be a new concept then. I don´t know if that would be proper Strawhat behaviour though. Do you mean that they should kidnap their next crewmate against his will. Or should they just kidnap somebody temporarily to protect him/her for as long the arc takes to finish?
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Has anybody ever confirmed this? I thought this was not a sure thing.
this was not a sure thing until it was confirmed by the sentence you just quoted.
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@HTC:
Not necessarily. It seems that BB gave Shanks the scar before Shanks made his ship's flag which could mean either shortly after Roger's death or even before that and, to me, that says BB wasn't as powerfull as Shanks when he gave him that wound (Shanks did say he got careless). Does that mean BB is as strong as Shanks today? Possibly, but not necessarily so.
Actually the exact opposite seems to be that case. Shanks said, that he wasn´t taken by surprise when he got that wound. The entire relevant dialog goes like:
"This one was no mark of adventure. It did not come at the hands of Hawk-Eyes… This scar was given to me by YOUR man, "Blackbeard" Teach...!! And it was not a cheap blow taken by surprise. Do you understand what I'm saying, Whitebeard?! He was waiting for his chance… He didn't take a captain's position, he didn't take the fame. He was spending all of his time hiding in the shadow of your name!!! And when he gained his power... he struck."
If Shanks would have said that he was taken by surprise then the entire danger that Blackbeard represents and Shanks discribes here doesn´t seem that serious as if he wasn´t taken by surprise.
I missinterpreted: my bad.
Still, it doesn't invalidate my reasoning: it only means that BB was on Shanks' level WHEN BB made the scar on Shanks and that doesn't necessarily mean that BB is still on the same level as Shanks, since that would make him the 5th emperor and i'm pretty sure that 5th emperor tops being a Shichibukai.
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@HTC:
I missinterpreted: my bad.
Still, it doesn't invalidate my reasoning: it only means that BB was on Shanks' level WHEN BB made the scar on Shanks and that doesn't necessarily mean that BB is still on the same level as Shanks, since that would make him the 5th emperor and i'm pretty sure that 5th emperor tops being a Shichibukai.
But the whole point of Shanks meeting Whitebeard is to establish the fact that one of the Emporors, Shanks thinks that Blackbeard is definitely capable to be on the level of the Yonko. If he wouldn´t think like that then Shanks would never have said:
"Ultimately, he will seek the very top.Of his OWN will!!Eventually, he will even come to steal YOUR position!!"
And about being the 5th Emperor. If Shanks is really worried the of the World´s Strongest Man´s second corps safety because of Blackbeard, and if that is justified then Blackbeard practically is on the level of an Emperor.About the Shichibukai being not as strong as the Yonko. Just remember this words of Shanks:
"He was waiting for his chance… He didn't take a captain's position, he didn't take the fame. He was spending all of his time hiding in the shadow of your name!!! And when he gained his power... he struck." Going by that, Blackbeard definitely has a plan. He doesn´t rush in foolishly to take what he wants. If he already was hiding behind Whitebeards name, by being one of Ace´s men, then he´d most definitely have no problem to take the rank of a Shichibukai, even though he´s on Yonko level. If it serves his purposes to claim the very top, then it won´t bother him pretending that he wants to become a Shichibukai.
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no chapter this week right?
I wonder how long can everyone stand? since the next chapter is probably the unveiling of the mugiwaras new ship!
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The guests are already here waiting for spoilers.
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They'd better have brought some tents with them, they'll be waiting a while…
..That's right I'm talking about you!
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so, can we expect a whole week of ranting in this thread? i'd understand it.
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Of course there's no chapter this week, Oda took the week off so he can play Jump Ultimate Stars on his break.
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no chapter this week right?
I wonder how long can everyone stand? since the next chapter is probably the unveiling of the mugiwaras new ship!
Well, some of us have a little thing called Thanksgiving coming up. You know, that holiday right before Christmas.
We should use that wisely.
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This to me is the most anticipated new chapter. Possibly seeing the new ship and finding out if Franky will join the crew (even though I know he will) I'm still holding out for both him and Paulie.
Speaking of Paulie why the heck did he not get a bounty? Didn't he down Baskerville?
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But the whole point of Shanks meeting Whitebeard is to establish the fact that one of the Emporors, Shanks thinks that Blackbeard is definitely capable to be on the level of the Yonko. If he wouldn´t think like that then Shanks would never have said:
"Ultimately, he will seek the very top.Of his OWN will!!Eventually, he will even come to steal YOUR position!!"
I think that Shanks knows BB is very powerfull but i have to desagree on that "on the level of the Yonko" thing: As far as we know, and until BB rebeled, BB had stay "hidden from public eyes", so to speak and, as such, Shanks is unable to know if BB has improved in his skill or not. It stands to reason that Shanks did since the time he got the scar and the same goes for BB. The problem for Shanks is: How much has BB improved since then?
And about being the 5th Emperor. If Shanks is really worried the of the World´s Strongest Man´s second corps safety because of Blackbeard, and if that is justified then Blackbeard practically is on the level of an Emperor.
That would be true if Ace is on WB's level, which i seriously doubt.
About the Shichibukai being not as strong as the Yonko. Just remember this words of Shanks:
"He was waiting for his chance… He didn't take a captain's position, he didn't take the fame. He was spending all of his time hiding in the shadow of your name!!! And when he gained his power... he struck." Going by that, Blackbeard definitely has a plan. He doesn´t rush in foolishly to take what he wants. If he already was hiding behind Whitebeards name, by being one of Ace´s men, then he´d most definitely have no problem to take the rank of a Shichibukai, even though he´s on Yonko level. If it serves his purposes to claim the very top, then it won´t bother him pretending that he wants to become a Shichibukai.
BB, assuming he can find some 100+ million bounty pirate (NOT Luffy, ofc) should have no problem becoming Shichibukai. but i would refrain from saying BB's on Yonko level: he may be, but it's too early to tell: heck, he may be even stronger then any of the emperors, for all we know.
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Corrected a few typos.
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Speaking of Paulie why the heck did he not get a bounty? Didn't he down Baskerville?
Nope, Puffing Tom did that… ^^ He acted like the first attacks leader, and then after that he beated a lot of marines, maybe second most after Luffy since I don't have any memory of any strawhats fightning a lot of marines except Luffy and when Nami did her Thunder attack.. But the marines probably thought he "died" as well, or they just didn't care about him...
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@ HTC:
But the thing is that Shanks said that Blackbeard eventually will take even Whitebeards position. Expecting Blackbeard being able to take Whitebeards position but not being on Yonko level is a contradiction in itself.
It´s true that if Shanks didn´t see Teach eversince he gave him that injury, he can´t say for sure how strong he´s gotten. But the sole fact that Shanks takes it as very likely that Teach can claim Newgate´s position shows for how serious a threat he takes him, which is definitely above Shichibukai level.
Furthermore the quotes I just used above show what understanding Shanks has of Teach. Not only does Shanks know that Teach was strong back then but he figured him out (correctly) as somebody who aims for claiming the top. Even though he might not have met him eversince Shanks definitely understands to what growth a man of Teach´s ambition is capable of. Otherwise the entire lines Oda gave Shanks would make no sense if he thinks differently.
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Bah bah I'm a baka. >.>
I just wrote a kickass post about Jinbei and the Shichibukai regarding the Mermaid Island etc.
But there's a topic for that? Delete tis.
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i just going to play zelda on the wii this week
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i just going to play zelda on the wii this week
happy thanksgiving everoneyou sir, are one lucky bastard
I'm too poor for even the Wii
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Call me crazy but as likely as Jinbei might be involved in the triangle business I think some other Schibuki(sp?) might be involve in this instead. Now bear with me(no pun intended) but I think Kuma is involve.
Kokero said that rumor has it that their are witness accounts that swear that their are ghost ships in that triangle. Let just say that we take the ghost thing literally, and their are real dead ghosts in the triangle. When I think of ghosts I think of cemetaries. Also other things that come into mind are mauseoleums or cathedrals. Cathedrals are connected to religion and we know that Kuma has a religious connection. Maybe he can control an undead army or something.
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is there chap this week
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I swear, Oda toying with my wanting of a great new chapter will be the end of me!
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this is a great time to reread the older ones then. There's always something "new" to be found when rereading an older chapter. :)
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IVOTAS why would you say that yonkou are on a higher level then the schicbukai?:wassat:
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He means to become one of the Four Emperors you have to generally be stronger than how strong it takes to be able to be a Shichibukai.
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@Kidany:
He means to become one of the Four Emperors you have to generally be stronger than how strong it takes to be able to be a Shichibukai.
What do you mean :wassat:
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You don't have to be as strong to be the level to become a Shichibukai than it takes to be recognized as being able to be one of the Emperors, if there can be more than four.
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@Kidany:
You don't have to be as strong to be the level to become a Shichibukai than it takes to be recognized as being able to be one of the Emperors, if there can be more than four.
well I know one shichibukai that can handle/take out 1 emperor so them being stronger/on a higher level than shichibukai is not fact. I thought that they were equal.
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I think the requirement is that you can "live in the second half of the grandline as an emperor." If you can do that and not get killed, you're in.
In fact, it's probably the same with the other powers, i.e. no numbers limit at least. There could probably be more admirals and shichibukai if their were more available candidates.
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Yeah , I'm saying it'll be harder to be recognized as an Emperor than a Shichibukai.
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@Kidany:
Yeah , I'm saying it'll be harder to be recognized as an Emperor than a Shichibukai.
OOOOOOOoooooooo ok
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@ HTC:
But the thing is that Shanks said that Blackbeard eventually will take even Whitebeards position. Expecting Blackbeard being able to take Whitebeards position but not being on Yonko level is a contradiction in itself.
Eventually is the operative word. There's no doubt in my mind that BB is very close to Yonko level, but i think he's not there, yet.
@ It´s true that if Shanks didn´t see Teach eversince he gave him that injury, he can´t say for sure how strong he´s gotten. But the sole fact that Shanks takes it as very likely that Teach can claim Newgate´s position shows for how serious a threat he takes him, which is definitely above Shichibukai level.
Furthermore the quotes I just used above show what understanding Shanks has of Teach. Not only does Shanks know that Teach was strong back then but he figured him out (correctly) as somebody who aims for claiming the top. Even though he might not have met him eversince Shanks definitely understands to what growth a man of Teach´s ambition is capable of. Otherwise the entire lines Oda gave Shanks would make no sense if he thinks differently.
I quite agree, with the exception of the bolded part. Though i agree that he may try and claim WB's position, i believe he won't do so just yet: i think he means to take on "heavier and heavier" opponents first (and becoming a shichibukai in the process), and then "move" for bigger prizes. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd turn on the shichibukai too, after becoming one himself.
If WB is the strongest man in the world, he should be stronger then the other 3 of the Yonko, no? I would say BB would go after one of those 3 before going after WB, no?
well I know one shichibukai that can handle/take out 1 emperor so them being stronger/on a higher level than shichibukai is not fact. I thought that they were equal.
As far as i understand, it takes Both the 3 admirals AND the shichibukai to be equal to the 4 emperors, so i'd say no: a shichibukai can't take on an emperor.
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@HTC:
Eventually is the operative word. There's no doubt in my mind that BB is very close to Yonko level, but i think he's not there, yet.
I quite agree, with the exception of the bolded part. Though i agree that he may try and claim WB's position, i believe he won't do so just yet: i think he means to take on "heavier and heavier" opponents first (and becoming a shichibukai in the process), and then "move" for bigger prizes. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd turn on the shichibukai too, after becoming one himself.
If WB is the strongest man in the world, he should be stronger then the other 3 of the Yonko, no? I would say BB would go after one of those 3 before going after WB, no?
As far as i understand, it takes Both the 3 admirals AND the shichibukai to be equal to the 4 emperors, so i'd say no: a shichibukai can't take on an emperor.
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where did you read that or where was it stated.:wassat:
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where did you read that or where was it stated.:wassat:
Here's a pic where Garp mentions this:
Notice how Garp says that "the marine headquarters and the shichibukai exist to counter these 4".
As i said, it's as far as i understand it. Ofc, that's subjective.
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Pic from NULL's scanlation.
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@HTC:
Here's a pic where Garp mentions this:
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k145/HTC1325/One_Piece-432-07.jpg
As i said, it's as far as i understand it. Ofc, that's subjective.
Among the countless masses of pirates in the world,
he is one of the four greatest, along with the infamous Whitebeard, that dwell in the latter half of the Grand Line.
These pirates, who rule above all others almost as an emperor does,
are called the Four Emperors, or Yonko!!!
It is only Marine Headquarters and the Seven Armed Seas that can withstand their might!!
These "Three Great Powers" form a precarious balance that keeps the world from destruction, lest it fall.Grap never said SB team up/togther with MH equal yonkou.
he said/meant SB can fight them as equals and the MH can 2, any other power will fall/ not stand a chance.
that like me saying luffy fought shanks and lucci does that mean he fought them togther/or at the sametime no. -
any1 have any guesses on who the other 2 emperors are?
1 Shanks
2 Whitebeard
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Among the countless masses of pirates in the world,
he is one of the four greatest, along with the infamous Whitebeard, that dwell in the latter half of the Grand Line.
@WHITEBEARD:Grap never said SB team up/togther with MH equal yonkou.
he said/meant SB can fight them as equals and the MH can 2, any other power will fall/ not stand a chance.
that like me saying luffy fought shanks and lucci does that mean he fought them togther/or at the sametime no.The problem here is that 2 different translators say, though close, 2 different things: i think 4 = 3 = 7, or so i understand, judging from Stephen's translation.
Still, if you recall when the marine headquarters summoned the shichibukai, before skypeia arc, only 3 showed up so i pretty much doubt that all 7 shichibukai (6 now, since croc was relieved from his position) will stand together @ one time, against the emperors, though i'm pretty sure the MH will.
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@HTC:
Among the countless masses of pirates in the world,
he is one of the four greatest, along with the infamous Whitebeard, that dwell in the latter half of the Grand Line.The problem here is that 2 different translators say, though close, 2 different things: i think 4 = 3 = 7, or so i understand, judging from Stephen's translation.
Still, if you recall when the marine headquarters summoned the shichibukai, before skypeia arc, only 3 showed up so i pretty much doubt that all 7 shichibukai (6 now, since croc was relieved from his position) will stand together @ one time, against the emperors, though i'm pretty sure the MH will.
You act as if the emperors will stand together @ one time and attack the shcichibikai or marine headquarters. when thats not the case. that why there all equal.
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May I ask? Will there be 436 this week. There should be a spoiler by now…
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No chapter this week. Bummer ain't it?
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At least there's still Naruto…