Recent chapters revealed about the second part of the grandline. And we know the Red Line is a vast land mass denying SH of their access into the New world. No more traveling in the air or reverse mountain. An original idea will be travel underwater which may tunnel tru the red line. Maybe this is Oda's purpose of the Fishman Island? The sequence of foreshadowing makes sense this way. Introduction of New world and then the Fishmen Island and maybe something to do with some Dr BegaVan's technology. if this is true, fishman island will be the last arc before the New world. Am i the first to come out with this theory and speculation?
Fishmen Island Theory, The Solution To Redline
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Fishman Island was introduced a couple chapters back actually, so…
Anyway, I like the theory. (Please don't punish me for participating in this!)
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That may be the case but I wouldnt like it because I want to see a red line arc.
All the hype about the redline and they just go under it? Naw I wouldnt like it but it is possible.
And demon Rin: if you read his post clearly, it looks like he didnt talk anything about a spoiler. This is speculation.
yeah im here
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That may be the case but I wouldnt like it because I want to see a red line arc.
All the hype about the redline and they just go under it? Naw I wouldnt like it but it is possible.
And demon Rin: if you read his post clearly, it looks like he didnt talk anything about a spoiler. This is speculation.
Mariejois is the crosspoint on Red Line.
I don't care how tough they think they are theres no way the crew can go through there at this point.
I mean damn, the fucking Gorusei are there. -
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Place would be destroyed right now if all of the 4 emperors had to go through there, besides they won't take action against the World Government.
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"Listen, you can send a stripper to my party if you like. It won't affect me because, as you can see, I am appearing naked, which I always try to do because I'm kind of a natural guy."
-kermit the frog
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I had this extremely crazy idea thanks to the recent chapter about a tunnel that exists under the Red Line that can easily be reached by Fishman Island (well since it does look like the SH will be going underwater soon and it may actually that close to the Red Line) Thus, by going under the landmass, they skip notice from Mariejoa and make their way into the New World.
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Recent chapters revealed about the second part of the grandline. And we know the Red Line is a vast land mass denying SH of their access into the New world. No more traveling in the air or reverse mountain. An original idea will be travel underwater which may tunnel tru the red line. Maybe this is Oda's purpose of the Fishman Island? The sequence of foreshadowing makes sense this way. Introduction of New world and then the Fishmen Island and maybe something to do with some Dr BegaVan's technology. if this is true, fishman island will be the last arc before the New world. Am i the first to come out with this theory and speculation?
to travel underwater, is this mean the NEW SHIP can do submarine?
if Oda really tell us that Adam's wood can do submarine I will feel disappointed.
If there really a tunnel underwater, I hope they are going to travel thru a very large TORNADO that suck every it encounter into the tunnel. Then everybody will be WOWWW
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I'm pretty sure the Mermaid Island will involve an entry to a new world that discovers new thing. Exactly like the Knock-Up Stream and what followed it.
Thus, I don't think they'll use that way to pass the Redline. I'd say, they'll get a huge help there from someone. Dunno who though. -
@dun:
to travel underwater, is this mean the NEW SHIP can do submarine?
if Oda really tell us that Adam's wood can do submarine I will feel disappointed.
If there really a tunnel underwater, I hope they are going to travel thru a very large TORNADO that suck every it encounter into the tunnel. Then everybody will be WOWWW
I really think it should have submarine features, since even that crappy Wapol had a ship that could go underwater!! (BTW, it should be able to fly too)
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I agree that maybe the gateway to the new world is somewhere past Fishman isle.
But the problem is, that there's probably a Shichibukai that is a dog of the gov't preventing any pirates from passing through that gate (i.e. Jimbei)
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I really think it should have submarine features, since even that crappy Wapol had a ship that could go underwater!! (BTW, it should be able to fly too)
And to go to Skypiea, the Merry needed to fly? It might be the same. Maybe Hachi will suddenly come and will pull them after giving them twisted machines for diving.
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@Rai:
And to go to Skypiea, the Merry needed to fly? It might be the same. Maybe Hachi will suddenly come and will pull them after giving them twisted machines for diving.
So far Wapol's ship is the only submersibal ship we know of in the series. It would make sense for the Gyojin to have ships that go underwater since they can go back and forth between their territory and the surface (if there are other Gyojin/Ningyo areas outside Fishman Island), but so far Oda hasn't really said otherwise. Heck, even Arlong's ship looked rather normal when he arrived at Kokoyashi. (but since he was there to start conquering surface islands, we could never discover if it had any submersibal features) I think Oda will show us when the time comes how they get down there and if its that close to the Redline and the New World.
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i assume the first part of grandline is close to an end and its time to consider the redline problem. The crew can disembark for a redline arc if there's any but in the end the ship still has to somehow get over the other side. Oda is too original to reuse the air method and land method (alabasta desert ship) so my speculation was confirmed after oda introduced the Underwater Fishmen island. even if OP world is not bound by physic law and there's a million way to cross the redline… i am still betting on an underwater journey.
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I really think it should have submarine features, since even that crappy Wapol had a ship that could go underwater!! (BTW, it should be able to fly too)
Well submarine in OP is possible, the same think we didn't expect there will be Water7's train in OP…
But if we said the NEW SHIP can submarine or fly, then the whole private idea is not classic theme anymore. From that day onward, all the private and WG can fly across CLAM BELT almost everysecond... and hide themself under the water if they encounter the enemy...
NO ADVENTURE ANYMORE!!!~
ODA!!! please dont include this submarie and fly features!!!~
Well I think if they build a mini-ship/support-ship (for sub or fly, something like Ussop's diving gear) for some treasure hunting. I can accept this... but not on the main-ship.
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I don't think I'm suggesting the new ship will be a submarine, just that the potentiality exists. The new ship probably will be too large to transform anyway, so it will be a one way journey: they go under, find a way across the Red Line, then resurface into the New World with ship in tact. There's no way Oda is going to let them go around without going straight through.
Besides, when we have seen submarines and airships so far, they haven't really been thought of to make world travel easier. Wapol's submarine was merely used to hide until Blackbeard left, letting him get back to Drum. And the only airship we know of is Maxim, and all Eneru wanted with that is to reach Fairy Vearth (er, one of the moons). Besides, even if pirates or anyone else had this technology, they still have to get past the powerful opponents who could wreck the same technology that had helped prior.
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uhm btw anyone got a world map for one piece in high resolution =/?
dont punish for asking plz1!!!11:ninja: -
I'm sure that there will be a fight in the Fishmen island
I wonder if sanji will fight a mermaid XDbut then again, I guess enel can own all the merman because water is a conductor of electricity isnt it ?
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Recent chapters revealed about the second part of the grandline. And we know the Red Line is a vast land mass denying SH of their access into the New world. No more traveling in the air or reverse mountain. An original idea will be travel underwater which may tunnel tru the red line. Maybe this is Oda's purpose of the Fishman Island? The sequence of foreshadowing makes sense this way. Introduction of New world and then the Fishmen Island and maybe something to do with some Dr BegaVan's technology. if this is true, fishman island will be the last arc before the New world. Am i the first to come out with this theory and speculation?
I was thinking the Fishman Island was above water….but your theory makes sense.
Then again, if it is underwater, how's Luffy going to fight? He's a DF user.
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there's too many undefined variables to know for certain right now. but i do believe that submersible ships aren't new. if you look at whitebeards i wouldn't be surprised if it could go under the ocean. however up until ooshi made his correction, i always thought that mariejoah was the crossing point so assumed that of course there would be a pirates crossing point too and Mermania was my assumption. i guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Ace said he's never in this part of the GL. Considering we now know that the 4 Emperors reign over in the New World, Ace must have passed through/over/whatever the RL to enter the 1st half. Also, we know Mihawk was in East Blue, and then he went to visit Shanks, who was probably in the New World. There has to be a way to pass through the RL. My guess is on that dark triangle thing just introduced. It probably has a way to get through 2nd RL/GL intersection, and hopefully there's a way to exit the GL, then we'll have our "official" exit method.
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This may not be exactly on topic but I as always I don´t feel to open a new thread for something that partwise is properly placed here.
I don´t know if this has been discussed before but I actually just realized something that actually is pretty hard to miss and that´s that the name Fishman Island is completely different then any other names of the Grand Line.
I mean Whiskey Peak, Little Garden, Skypiea and Water 7 for instance have names that somehow discribe the environmental attributes of the place.
Arabasta, Drum and Enies Lobby for instance are (unless I got it totally wrong) simply names with not big revelation about the island itself. But Fishman Island is the only island that directly reveals the inhabitants of the
island. This is unlike Little Garden, where the giants might be the reason for the naming but aren´t revealed in the name.Why do I even feel worth pointing that out? Well, I just thought that this name does have a bit an ego feel to it. And thinking back of Arlong it might even not be a coincidence. I know I said it myself, that just because of a bunch of criminals not the entire race has to be like that, but on the other hand the name got me wondering. Just felt the need to mention it. If that has been said before forget what I just said.
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Perhaps franky can develop something. . .
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Ace said he's never in this part of the GL. Considering we now know that the 4 Emperors reign over in the New World, Ace must have passed through/over/whatever the RL to enter the 1st half. Also, we know Mihawk was in East Blue, and then he went to visit Shanks, who was probably in the New World. There has to be a way to pass through the RL. My guess is on that dark triangle thing just introduced. It probably has a way to get through 2nd RL/GL intersection, and hopefully there's a way to exit the GL, then we'll have our "official" exit method.
Adding on to that didn't Lafitte find a way to pass through the Red Line what with him being in Barano Island?
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@Sea:
Perhaps franky can develop something. . .
Kokoro said they'll see when they get there, implying a system is already made, so I doubt that's the case. Chances are it's an underwater passage, probably some sort of air-filled tube that they can pass through. This accounts not only for DF users, but otherwise inability to breath underwater without being fish/merman.
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cough I'm just going to point out a trend here.
Big, scary new places unlike any seen before are approached the following method (referencing GL and SkyPier)
1. There are two ways to get there: A really long, hard way (alluded to/stated in SkyPier, and the Calm Belt, with its Sea Kings), and a quick, but equally dangerous way (Knock-Up Stream, Reverse Mountain (just think what would have happened if they'd been off a fraction of a degree going up! Uh-oh! SHIPWRECK AND DEATH TO MANY!)
2. The Straw Hats always, ALWAYS take the quick, seemingly too-easy method, but have a blast at it.I think the underwater tunnel would be one heck of an idea, but it'd have to be more dangerous to go through than the Knock-Up Stream, just as that was more dangerous than Reverse Mtn.
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Actually Reverse Mountain is the long way and the Calm Belt is the quick one since you can enter the Grand Line there at any point while for Revers Mountain you can enter just at the start.
And the Calm Belt is the more dangerous way of the two. They specifically desided for regular entrance because going through the Sea King breeding ground that the Calm Belt is would be too dangerous.
And for Skypiea it´s not like they had any choice. They just knew of the one way and only found out later that there was another way to get there.
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I was thinking the Fishman Island was above water….but your theory makes sense.
Then again, if it is underwater, how's Luffy going to fight? He's a DF user.
It's underwater, kokoro confirmed it after Enies Lobby.
@Sea:
Perhaps franky can develop something. . .
He did it… am I wrong or the sunny has a submersible (Dock System something)?
Finally,
I m positive about an underwater passage, it's cool. But I wanna point out that this is not the only way for sure. GL has 7 different routes starting from the reversing mountain and rejoining in Raftel. Raftel is the only island of junction between ALL the routes. Hence there must be other ways to get through the RL beside a (potential) underwater STAR-WAR-EPISODE-1 passage. -
It's never been definitively stated that Mariejoa is at the secondary intersection of the Red and Grand Lines, but it's the most likely position for it for the following reasons:
There must be some way of traveling between the Blues that are seperated by the Red Line without venturing into the Grand Line itself. Since Sanji is from North Blue, that makes it somewhat likely that the Orbit was from there as well. People on the Orbit were surprised that Zeff had returned from the Grand Line; as such, the Orbit was not on that particular seaway at the time.
Of course, there might be channels through the Red Line itself, but that really doesn't explain why Norland would have needed Mariejoa's permission to enter the Grand Line if they weren't using an entrance under the control of the World Government. Since there isn't any World Government institution at Reverse Mountain, that would suggest that they used an entrance elsewhere.
Another thing that supports the notion that there is a channel through the Red Line is that countries and city-states get progressively larger and more powerful the closer you get to the Red Line while we see no World Government presence at Reverse Mountain at all. As such, it's likely that there is some method of interacting with the Blues on the portion of the Red Line opposite Reverse Mountain and that the capital of the World Government is near that location. If it's close, why not actually put it there?
But Fishman Island is the only island that directly reveals the inhabitants of the island.
What about Pirate Island? That's a pretty straightforward name.
GL has 7 different routes starting from the reversing mountain and rejoining in Raftel. Raftel is the only island of junction between ALL the routes. Hence there must be other ways to get through the RL beside a (potential) underwater STAR-WAR-EPISODE-1 passage.
Judging by the image that accompanies the original explanation of the magnetic fields, most of the fields have already fused together well before they reach Raftel. In fact, they seem to rejoin together at the next-to-last island on the Grand Line; that's probably the aforementioned Pirate Island as it's as far from the authority of the World Government that you can possibly get.
Complicating things since 2009.
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Judging by the image that accompanies the original explanation of the magnetic fields, most of the fields have already fused together well before they reach Raftel. In fact, they seem to rejoin together at the next-to-last island on the Grand Line; that's probably the aforementioned Pirate Island as it's as far from the authority of the World Government that you can possibly get.
I would not trust that image: recently we have seen that the Shichibukai image was a fake. I would rely better on what the old man at the reverse mountain said.
Anyway even if they rejoin at the next-to-last island that would confirm that there are more than one passage through the RL too.
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Maybe they have to cross the land with the ship as well, you know, put it on a train, drag it along haha, franky developing wheels or legs on Thousand Sunny, anything can happen in One piece, but as said by Kokoro and other members in the forum, it maybe underwater.
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Sounds like it makes sense to me! ^^
THIS is a mental image i can do WITHOUT.
OUCH.
ROFL! XD …Oh god, I did NOT need that image either... thaaank you...
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What´s that? I don´t remember the Strawhats going to a place with such a name.
I think Pirate Island was referred to by Foxy in regards to the Davy-Back Fight. Nothing has really been said about it just yet, just that it exists.
As for the location of Fishman Island, remember that the Log Pose pointed downwards when it finally set, making Kokoro state they're heading to Fishman Island next. Its similar to the Log Pose pointing "up", leading towards Skypiea.
Y'know, Negima WAS awesome…
For the first 18 volumes.
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we got another descriptive island: mecha island, mentioned in the sidestory ^^ (dont know if that one is in the GL or noth though.)
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@Tokoro:
I think Pirate Island was referred to by Foxy in regards to the Davy-Back Fight. Nothing has really been said about it just yet, just that it exists.
I see. Well that doesn´t change what I said the slightest. I was pointing out a difference to the so far visited islands that presented the active environmental platform for the protagonists adventures since Fishman Island will soon become such.
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This talk about **sea routes through islands makes me realise how great One Piece is. What **other manga is out there that allows for talk pertaining to **Navigation?
I'm REALLY hyped about this particular arc.******
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Thousand Sunny does have a Soldier Dock System submarine. It's in the ship's hold, and (as I recall) seats three.
A passage under the Red Line would certainly get them into the New World without too much difficulty, but what's this 'hype' about the Red Line? Does Mariejoa control the only canal along the Red Line?
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
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yeah would be too easy when their is only one passage….so the WG could always stay their and catch all the pirates...
Maybe the fishmen dont want that
also their travel more between the GL and the New World who aren`t pirates......when their is only one way its to dangerous for them for example..
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@Tokoro:
It would make sense for the Gyojin to have ships that go underwater since they can go back and forth between their territory and the surface (if there are other Gyojin/Ningyo areas outside Fishman Island), but so far Oda hasn't really said otherwise.
can't they just swim, and use the ships just for show, to look like pirates, that's all?
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@_Meh_:
Does Mariejoa control the only canal along the Red Line?
Well, we don't know how many canals there are through it. If Oda holds to his depiction of the magnetic fields (which he may or may not; the Shichibukai didn't match their designs, but Teach and company are fairly close to their initial depiction during Drum), there are several.
Considering that controlling any such access points would allow the World Government to maintain a stranglehold on commerce and travel, I have to think that they would have a sizable presence at any such location. Of course, there are probably a few routes that are better known by pirates or that only pirates are willing to risk travelling by. This would allow them to avoid the World Government while being able to travel freely.
The more powerful crews, like the Yonkou, could probably waltz through the defenses of any institution this side of Mariejoa and the Naval Headquarters and could probably come and go as they please, but they tend to stay in the New World anyway judging by what we've heard of them so far.
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franky will modify the sunny so they can drive over the red line. maybe have a mini arc with the strawhats vs some marauder's?
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@Sea:
This talk about sea routes through islands makes me realise how great One Piece is. What other manga is out there that allows for talk pertaining to Navigation?
I'm REALLY hyped about this particular arc.
What is WITH your style of typing? You honestly do NOT need to type with every freaking word bolded and red/underlined. Do you realize how annoying and disruptive of any type of discussion this is, let alone how little others will respect your opinion when you type in such a ridiculous manner?
Not even one of those words should have been red/bold/italicized, except maybe One Piece in italics if you're one of those people, or maybe 'really'… minus the blinding red. Dear lord.
And yes, I realize this was off topic. I'm sorry.
Back on topic, to Meh, I wonder if Mariejoa really does control the only entrance to the New World. o_O I wish Oda would make a map of the OP world or something, where things are is rather unclear to me. I guess that's up to Nami in the end, though. xD
If Mariejoa really did have the only entrance there though, how would this explain other pirates (such as Ace) getting to the New World and back in the first place? I'm sure there has to be at least one other reasonably passable way to get there, and this topic's theory does take care of that.
I'm a lurker. I don't really post much. So… I'm not really sure what to put as my signature.
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What is WITH your style of typing? You honestly do NOT need to type with every freaking word bolded and red/underlined. Do you realize how annoying and disruptive of any type of discussion this is, let alone how little others will respect your opinion when you type in such a ridiculous manner?
Not even one of those words should have been red/bold/italicized, except maybe One Piece in italics if you're one of those people, or maybe 'really'… minus the blinding red. Dear lord.
I actually like that kind of typing. It´s like saying "hey, don´t waste time reading, just put me on your ignore list already!". If all people who have nothing constructive to say would type like that it´d surely save a lot of time. :happy:
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What is WITH your style of typing? You honestly do NOT need to type with every freaking word bolded and red/underlined. Do you realize how annoying and disruptive of any type of discussion this is, let alone how little others will respect your opinion when you type in such a ridiculous manner?
Not even one of those words should have been red/bold/italicized, except maybe One Piece in italics if you're one of those people, or maybe 'really'… minus the blinding red. Dear lord.
. . .That's just the way I Type If you do not like it I really could careless. . .I never seen people get so bent outta shape over something that's So trivial.
It's not like were discussing something that requires deep concentration. Were discussing, Fictional Sea Routes from a Manga.
If it's distracting learn to be ignore it, and honestly. If you can't concentrate over a color you lack focus. . .
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Fishman Island could have an underwater elevator, similar to the elevator in W7. Example (forgive my lovely art skills)
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@Zol:
Fishman Island could have an underwater elevator, similar to the elevator in W7. Example (forgive my lovely art skills)
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a233/Zoloster/Untitled-1-2.jpg
Good pic, Honestly though I don't think it will be a conventional island. Kokoro described it as a wonderland. So, I'm thinking of something way over the top.
