BlackBeard True Ambitions

[Darkariel]

From reading the last chapter and seing what Shanks said I got the impression BB is working for something more then just becoming a Shichi Bukai so I can up it this theory

BB was part of WB crew he stayed until he got enough strenght and strong men to back him up, them he left, now he wants to be a Shichi Bukai next he'll probably go with the W.G. kill or capture all the 4 Great Pirates leaving an open path for him to backstab the W.G. and get power, probably some Shichi Bukai would join forces with him in this backstabbing

Don't know if this what Oda tought but it's a possibility what do you think ?

[Walker]

This might be going way to far into things. But it seems like he wants to be the lead Pirate as well as being a shichibukai member. So this makes me believe he has a bigger plan. Like taking over the whole government and ruling it himself. If he can infiltrate the government and also take over the pirate era, then this would be possible correct?

[Skewt]

It seems strange to me that a person like black beard would want to cast away his very small crew to be a shibukai(sp?). Which of course is one of the parameters involved with becoming one.

I think he might be trying to position his crew as a whole nother entity that keeps other pirates in check and alone is viable as a defense against the 4 emperors.

[Rai]

@Skewt:

It seems strange to me that a person like black beard would want to cast away his very small crew to be a shibukai(sp?). Which of course is one of the parameters involved with becoming one.

I think he might be trying to position his crew as a whole nother entity that keeps other pirates in check and alone is viable as a defense against the 4 emperors.

Bellamy and DonFlamingo?

[Welkin]

I think that the Shichibukai work individually (which I think there is a lot of evidence to support that from what we've seen so far), and they don't nescessarily need to get rid of their crews (if they do, it was not said in any canon material I can remember).

All I can think of about the latter is that Belamy is using Doflamingo's mark, and the fact Crocodile and Mihawk both work alone (not including Baroque Works). I doubt the marines would care if Crocodile had anyone under his command fighting pirates, but they would care if Doflamingo was telling Belamy to pillage or plunder and not him doing it on his own terms. If they had to lose their crews, then Black Beard is an idiot spending all those years serving White Beard creating a crew powerful enough for him to throw away…

That said, I can honestly see Black Beard joining Shichibukai as a way of gaining power in a way that affords him respect rather then amnesty of attention like he had under White Beard now that he is powerful enough (or atleast thinks he is, we will probably find out next chapter now that Ace has found him).

As for backstabbing the WG, who knows, but I think he is going about it the wrong way, making enemies of WG's enemies.

[ChopChopCannon]

@Walker:

and also take over the pirate era

Despite my affinity for Blackbeard, I find it unlikely that he'll manage that since after all, that's Luffy's job.

[Walker]

@ChopChopCannon:

Despite my affinity for Blackbeard, I find it unlikely that he'll manage that since after all, that's Luffy's job.

Of course he wont. I think thats what he is aiming for though. Since as Shanks has stated he is aiming for the top.

[WHITEBEARD]

Being one of the seven warlords of the sea is the top.:getlost:

Blackbeard wants to be a Holloywood Pirate hes got all ice all he needs is the status.

and being one of the seven warlords of the sea will give him that status

baby

[Sogeking D. Usopp]

Final Fight in One Piece: Luffy vs Blackbeard.

Both are so similar, yet different characters. Luffy has a sense of Justice, but doesn't believe fate controls him. Teach lacks morals but believes deeply in fate and destiny…

The two are destined to collide!

[Baka_Neko]

I think he wants to become a super-power, like the rest of them. Or perhaps he wants to create chaos.

Or maybe he is working for the aliens who were trying to take over the world (o-o; strange background story). o-o; Or maybe he just wants all of the cherry pie in the world. O_o;;;

How about we wait and find out. ^_^

[Zulen]

"This Cherry Pie is delicous! It's to die for!

Ugh! This Cherry Pie is gross! It's to cry for!"

Am I the only one who doesn't take BB seriously? I've never seen him kick any particular amounts of ass. All I've seen him do is re-enact Team Rocket's worst moments, and still fail somehow. And he can supposedly give Shanks a wound in the face?

Bullshit.

I don't believe that for a second. For god's sake, the guy floats around on 4 logs with 4 crew members who are on the brink of death. One of them uses expoding apples – _Oooooh, I'm impressed! He's never gonna beat Luffy, or even Buggy for that matter.

Am I the only one who feels this way?_

[ybmc]

I don't know WHAT TO THINK because we've seen so little of him. But the fact that he kicked the shit out of Sarquiss with one punch tells me he's got a lot of power in him, and also in the latest chapter, you can see he decimated an entire village, probably just for sport. But we've never SEEN HIM DO ANYTHING INCREDIBLE to prove his worth. So we really can't say he sucks, given what Shanks has claimed, nor can we claim his strength based on what little we know.

[Elfu]

@Private:

"This Cherry Pie is delicous! It's to die for!

Ugh! This Cherry Pie is gross! It's to cry for!"

Am I the only one who doesn't take BB seriously? I've never seen him kick any particular amounts of ass. All I've seen him do is re-enact Team Rocket's worst moments, and still fail somehow. And he can supposedly give Shanks a wound in the face?

Bullshit.

I don't believe that for a second. For god's sake, the guy floats around on 4 logs with 4 crew members who are on the brink of death. One of them uses expoding apples – Oooooh, I'm impressed! He's never gonna beat Luffy, or even Buggy for that matter.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

You don't seen to say that when in with luffy's loving for meat….or do? He destroyed drum < "WHERE?" it can be in the other side of the island, oda said something about alabasta too but there was about having much more villages and towns that he simplificated for better understanding of the readers^^

And aparently all the crew of BB believes in fate and in luck. Whoever you are, whatever you do it's the destiny. And, of course, in dreams, so far you reach so far people will argue with you and fights will happens where there are nothing to do and

[Taz]

I'm glad someone brought this up, because I've been thinking about it myself.

It's wrong to just pass BB off as a guy who only believes in fate and destiny. From what we saw of him on Jaya, he definitely has something inklings of a noble, pirate code. (From Stephen's scripts:)

"They've won that battle."

In response to Luffy and Zoro refusing to retaliate against Bellamy. Just like Shanks, Blackbeard doesn't believe that fighting is always the solution. Of course, after seeing this aspect of his personality, you can't help but wonder why Shanks is so afraid of him gaining power. But becoming top pirate definitely seems to be his goal:

"IT AIN'T EASY TO BE BETTER THAN THE REST!!!"

"LET THEM LAUGH. IF WE STRIVE FOR THE TOP, THEY'LL NEVER EVEN SEE IT COMING!!!! ZEHAHAHAHA!!!"

http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter225.txt

But then don't ALL pirates strive for the top? To be ruler of the oceans? What makes BB's dream so much worse than all those others that share it? Besides the fact that he seems to be one of the few people actually capable of achieving it.

[Ubiq]

@Private:

For god's sake, the guy floats around on 4 logs with 4 crew members who are on the brink of death.

As far as his ship goes, well, he is just starting out on his own after all.

But while we're talking about the Raft O'Doom, examine it for a second. It's basically a bunch of trees strapped together in a way that leaves them with almost no protection from the elements, but these crazy bastards were successfully navigating the Grand Line with it anyway.

We don't know what Lafitte used to get to Mariejoa, but the mere fact that he apparently travelled there by himself is impressive in and of itself as the only people we've ever seen that can travel the Grand Line alone are among some of the most powerful characters in the series.

The fact that Teach and Company don't travel in style isn't a mark against them, it's just more evidence that they're insanely strong.

[gaara d. lucci]

You know What's funny about BB's comment on the Luffy, Bellamy incident. Not to long afterwards, he slams Sarquis into the ground for little to no reason. Funny indeed. BB has quite some depth to him, with BB you can't really describe him with one word,

[Zulen]

Okay, just when the hell does he punch Sarquiss? The only episodes I haven't watched are Skypiea-Halfway W7 and it feels like I've missed the entire series and vital plot points.

I've only seen BB eat cherry pies, and then watched his ship get blown to bits by Knock-Up Stream.

[grimmjow05]

you see Red Head's Scar in the eye? looks like from a wild animal huh? more like from a bear? and we do know that it came from BB, so… he's a Zoan type? just a theory

[gaara d. lucci]

BB better hope he isn't a Zoan for his sake. I don't see him standing a chance against Ace(logia) with a Zoan DF. BB must know some ability that lets him harm Ace because I don't see how he can win (I know he will tho) But who knows what will happen?

[Taz]

@Private:

Okay, just when the hell does he punch Sarquiss? The only episodes I haven't watched are Skypiea-Halfway W7 and it feels like I've missed the entire series and vital plot points.

I've only seen BB eat cherry pies, and then watched his ship get blown to bits by Knock-Up Stream.

Wow. If you skipped the chapter with the WG conference/introduction of Whitebeard/revelation of the Blackbeard pirates, then you missed a GOOD chunk of plot.

While BB is inspecting Luffy's 100b bounty, Sarquiss bumps into him and gives him lip. BB basically smashes his face into the ground and tells him to get out of his way.

Not quite the same as Luffy/Zoro in the bar since Bellamy's words "this is a test" obviously had a deeper meaning. But yeah, a funny seen nonetheless. Teach gave Sarquiss his 'just deserts'.

[smurfx]

http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=385745&postcount=245

lol you pretty much said i wrote a few days back. i think blackbeard definitely is up to something big and since he's a D he is definitely dreaming big just like luffy is. he might want to be a true pirate king one that rules the ocean and lands.

[CP9 Encore]

He's the same as Luffy. The theories about them two beeing related are partly blown because of Garp, but his intentions and dreams are the same. He wants to become the Pirate King just like the Mugiwara!

[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

Yeah but the problem with that is :

Why would Shanks be opposed to BB becoming pirate king??

I think it s much more complicated than that.

But I know for sure that it s something BIG and he will be the ultimate enemy of Luffy
the same WitheBeard was for Roger.

[Angel emfrbl]

Lets look at clues:

-Well Whitebeard position is on his hit-list according to Shanks,
-according to Whitebeard he has no moral grounds and as we know so far since he killed former crewmates that is certainly true.
-He also believes more in fate then any other D introduced within the present and apparent storyline…
-He is strong enough to hurt Shanks who is very powerful as we all know and possibly a serious danger to Ace who is chasing him.
-Also, he didn't just decide on day to go off on his on, he waited for the right moment before he did so.

I question why he wants to join the Shichibukai. I think since the Shichibukai oppose the 4 Emporers that may be because then he'd full right to take out Shanks + Whitebeard without anyone questioning why. He'd also make the WG seem like he is on their side in the process keeping to that illusion he had with Whitebeard, but this time with the WG.

Based on what we've seen so far, I think he is more intereasted in seeing how fate is playing out or creating a situration where the fates are forced to react to his actions. So far, I conclude that he knew about Shanks + Whitebeard and what would happen when he left, I have a feeling he knew his actions would provoke a new era by force.

Though the ultimate + exact details of his ambition he has... That I'm not gonna try to guess. I want to be suprised by Oda on this.

[G-Greato]

hmm… for some reason I can't get rid of the idea that Blackbeards plans have something to do with Dragon and his revolution...
"Just" aiming for the title of Pirate King is to little to worry THE Shanks so much, I think!
Also I still think BB is related to Luffy... maybe his uncle or something.... because.... damn read that chapter from Jaya again and you'll notice how freaking much alike they are.

[Angel emfrbl]

Yes, Luffy has a freakishly huge crows-beak-like nose just like Teach too….

... It seems Teach is the least like Luffy out of all the Ds we've met appearance wise after Saul.

[Fanservice]

@Angel:

Yes, Luffy has a freakishly huge crows-beak-like nose just like Teach too….

... It seems Teach is the least like Luffy out of all the Ds we've met appearance wise after Saul.

Not physically…in terms of mannerisms and manner of thinking.

[Gold D. Roger]

in my opinion BlackBeard is one of the most interesting and misterious character of One Piece…

but, for me, He isn't completely a evil person...

[Milane]

@Private:

"This Cherry Pie is delicous! It's to die for!

Ugh! This Cherry Pie is gross! It's to cry for!"

Am I the only one who doesn't take BB seriously? I've never seen him kick any particular amounts of ass. All I've seen him do is re-enact Team Rocket's worst moments, and still fail somehow. And he can supposedly give Shanks a wound in the face?

Bullshit.

I don't believe that for a second. For god's sake, the guy floats around on 4 logs with 4 crew members who are on the brink of death. One of them uses expoding apples – Oooooh, I'm impressed! He's never gonna beat Luffy, or even Buggy for that matter.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

hum…. I think that yes you missed some critical moments...
As Taz mentionned, the part with the WG meeting reveal a lot about BB and the moves of the great powers.

The whole scene with the pies was to underline the common characters of Luffy & BB before revealing that he is a D as well. The small talk after that, in the street, reveals that BB know what real piratery is. And that he has the will of a D. And the way Luffy & Zorro consider BB show that they know he is far more than a mere drunk fat looser.

Now for the crew:

• when the StrawHats were sailing toward Jaya, Van Auger, who was in Mocktown (in Jaya), shot 3 gulls that fell on the Going Merry. The crew could not even see the island and yet, despite the distance, Van Auger Shot 3 gulls. Headshot... Now This is a sniper.

• Laffite managed to go alone to Marijoa and to infiltrate the room where Sengoku, Mihawk, DonFlamingo & Cie had their meeting. Trust me, he is not a low class pirate...

• Blackbeard...Shanks, a Yonkou, get his sole wound from BB. He still think that BB is too much of an opponent for Ace. A BB who just KOed Sarkiss as if it was a fly bothering him. BB was part of WB's crew. He knows what 100 million berrys mean. Yet, he considers this bounty as a minimum for somebody to be his prey. He is strong, very strong, that is certain. And I personnaly think he is a monster.

• Doc Q and Champion, we know almost nothing about them, but if they are like the other crewmembers, they probably kick ass big time as well...

[Baka_Neko]

I was thinking that maybe BB is Luffy's uncle. In other words: Dragon's brother, and Garp's 2nd son. It adds to the "WTF IS UP WITH THIS FAMILY" type of deal. Ha ha.

In my mind, this is how it goes:

Garp has 2 sons: Dragon and Teach.

Dragon was the "favorite", so to speak. Teach resented Dragon.

Dragon is now the leader of this super power that can rival the WG.

Teach wants to topple the delicate balance between the WG, Shichibukai, and 3 emporers to gain the attention of his brother, and show him who's boss now.

Teach may have found the most opportune moment recently to come out of the shadows: Crocodiles defeat. Since one of the Shichibukai was taken down, the balance is unstable. It may have been the perfect time for him to strike out on his own, and try to claim the seat of the next Shichibukai.

Now, so far, there is Garp, super strong guy in the WG. Dragon, an opposing force to the WG. Luffy, a strong pirate. Ace, working under one of the 4 emporers. And now Teach, the mysterious pirate.
…

I just thought of something.

D's in OP

WG: Garp
Pirate: Luffy
Revolutionist: Dragon
the 4: Ace (indirectly)
Shichibukai: --
Now, of all the world powers, the Shichibukai doesn't have a D (as far as we know). Maybe there is a big conspiracy behind the D's. Hm...Roger started this new era, and Luffy's going to bring it to an end.

Now I'm babbling. Meh, whatever

[Kakashizero]

Jaguar D. Saul was also in the navy marines, except for the whole…he's dead now...thing.

Now, if you just mean for the final set up, it could be something like:

Luffy: Pirate
Ace: Yonkou (Crew)
Garp: Navy Marines
Dragon: Revolutionaries
Blackbeard: Shichibukai

[FireFistAce 0]

@Kakashizero:

Jaguar D. Saul was also in the navy marines, except for the whole…he's dead now...thing.

I really question him being dead. After all, Kuzan NEVER said that freezing them would kill them. In fact:

Aokiji: Stop screaming… when you freeze them right, they're still alive...
But look out... they're easy to shatter like this, and if that happens, they die.

Now, since Kuzan and Saulo were friends, I seriously doubt he would shatter him. From that statement, it's apparent that it's more like cyrogenic stasis than killing them.

Plus, to quote Octogon, the move was "Ice TIME CAPSULE", not Ice Time Just-die-you-asshole.

[Silence]

@Fire Fist:

I really question him being dead. After all, Kuzan NEVER said that freezing them would kill them. In fact:

Aokiji: Stop screaming… when you freeze them right, they're still alive...
But look out... they're easy to shatter like this, and if that happens, they die.

Now, since Kuzan and Saulo were friends, I seriously doubt he would shatter him. From that statement, it's apparent that it's more like cyrogenic stasis than killing them.

Plus, to quote Octogon, the move was "Ice TIME CAPSULE", not Ice Time Just-die-you-asshole.

He used Ice Time right afterwards, though.

[Kakashizero]

I just reasoned that after being frozen all that time he'd be dead.

Unless he was unfrozen soon aftewards, or he's just so badass that he can survive that.

I don't know, I guess he could be alive. Still, my point was to show that Garp isn't/wasn't the only D in the Navy Marines.

[Baka_Neko]

@Kakashizero:

I just reasoned that after being frozen all that time he'd be dead.

Unless he was unfrozen soon aftewards, or he's just so badass that he can survive that.

I don't know, I guess he could be alive. Still, my point was to show that Garp isn't/wasn't the only D in the Navy Marines.

Yeah, but since Saul isn't part of the story right now, I discluded him.

[Ubiq]

@Kakashizero:

Unless he was unfrozen soon aftewards, or he's just so badass that he can survive that.

Considering that the entire island was burned to the ground, being frozen was the least of his worries. If he didn't die, then he's been in the hands of a seriously pissed off World Government for the last twenty years.

Even if the flames melted the ice, there really wasn't anywhere for him to go.

[FireFistAce 0]

@Ubiq:

Considering that the entire island was burned to the ground, being frozen was the least of his worries. If he didn't die, then he's been in the hands of a seriously pissed off World Government for the last twenty years.

Even if the flames melted the ice, there really wasn't anywhere for him to go.

Unless they brainwashed him.

Or, consider this: In One Piece, Giants apparently choose their leaders by whoever is the strongest. Hence, why Dorry and Broggy were the leaders of their tribe, and also both had a 100,000,000 bounty, the first bounty of that magnitude we saw for the first 200+ chapters of One Piece. Luffy matched it, and the first person to exceed it was B. Bear, along with Doflamingo.

Notice that giants aren't very prevailant in the Grand Line. You'd think we'd see more of them. And if Oimo and Kashi are any example, giants aren't always the brightest. Saulo was an exception, but any other giant is pretty dumb. That said, it's possible that the WG has found some sort of suppression towards the giants.

Saulo, having been brainwashed and possibly even his name changed, could be in the New World, or wherever Elbaf is, acting as a suppressor for the giants. Now, Saul was stated to not be from Elbaf, but the WG may or may not know this. In any case, as one of the most powerful giants we've seen so far, he would make an excellent agent to suppress his own people. Or simply just limit their presence on the Grand Line.

That's why I think they're keeping Saulo alive.

[Ubiq]

@Fire Fist:

Notice that giants aren't very prevailant in the Grand Line. You'd think we'd see more of them. And if Oimo and Kashi are any example, giants aren't always the brightest. Saulo was an exception, but any other giant is pretty dumb. That said, it's possible that the WG has found some sort of suppression towards the giants.

Well, there's a good chance that Elbafian giants aren't common for the simple reason that they're waiting until Dorry and Broggy come back. They're a very patient people after all and would not want to dishonor their leaders by taking action without them. Dorry and Broggy's warrior band may well be the most important group in Elbaf and their absence may be responsible for that country's lack of prominence.

As far as Sauro goes, I'm still inclined to think of him as a Wotan who looks more like his giant ancestors than his fishman.

[GenoLacan]

I dont noe if anyone mention this already but im to lazy to read all the post. I just wanted to point out that the island that Teach was on was ransacked. In one of the pics you can see a bunch of dead bodies all on the floor. It breaks my heart to see a D character be so freaking evil. I truly think he is tha analogus to Luffy's character. Who ever said he will be the major villian in OP was right