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I completely agree. Ace has to lose, otherwise Blackbeard's mentioning of his power and his return for that matter would be completely wasted.
this will end as a draw, you know it. or else shanks meeting whitebeard will be pointless. well, not really a draw, but they'll quite the fight before it ends.
I think if Ace loses, then Shanks would lose or draw. Both Ace and Whitebeard losing wouldn't have the same effect.
But despite the rest of the story, it'd still be weird for Ace to lose for some reason.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
BB beating Ace would conclude the "BB wants to become Shichibukai" stuff perfectly. Any other result would be lame; Ace wins, BB disappears from the story. That was worth all that buildup really. A draw, and BB keeps on chasing Luffy until he reaches him, gets his ass kicked, and doesn't become Shichibukai. Lame.
Really, plotwise BB defeating Ace is perfect.
this will end as a draw, you know it. or else shanks meeting whitebeard will be pointless. well, not really a draw, but they'll quite the fight before it ends.
Ehhhh, I don't really know man. Either way, if Buggy is there, then it will just turn into a race for Luffy's head at W7.
BB beating Ace would conclude the "BB wants to become Shichibukai" stuff perfectly. Any other result would be lame; Ace wins, BB disappears from the story. That was worth all that buildup really. A draw, and BB keeps on chasing Luffy until he reaches him, gets his ass kicked, and doesn't become Shichibukai. Lame.
Really, plotwise BB defeating Ace is perfect.
Also remember Teach was strong enough to put the hurt on even Shanks. Ace is a goner..
Btw, doesn't anyone find it strange just why Shanks decided to pay WB a visit? Just to tell him to call Ace off? I mean, and the marines made such a big fuss about it too. You'd have expected some elaborate cooperative plan or something.
Maybe Shanks is fighting Whitebeard so that when they draw, Shanks will say "And if Blackbeard is as strong as me, how do you think Ace will do?", at which point Whitebeard will retroflect and begin to cry…Actually, just the first part.
"Sheet! I am wet!"
Im almost hesitant to post this cause of my anime scene fiasco the other day but correct me if I'm wrong. Did Oda change Yasop's hair to dreadlocks? Other than that awesome chapter and thanks much.
agreed with Ace needing to loose
the BB pirates are some of my favourite characters in the manga / anime so I sure hope they stick around
If Blackbeard lost to ace then he might aswell go away and not go after luffy. When he was first introduced I think a lot of people immediately identified him as a threat because he just seemed like a terror with his rampage, not taking anything away from ace though. There's also a reason why his fight with luffy was postponed/ parted and him noticing something about luffy, and giving him the pirate's dream speech I think it was done for future referencing. In all it makes more sense with shanks arrival an all for ace to either loose or be restrained, I just hope he does'nt kill him, especially since he's trying to be the next shichibukai.
And i'm not sure whitebeard and shanks will see their fight through I see that being stalled or put off with maybe the arrival of either doflamingo (dunno why) kuma.
yes, Ace is gonna lose. it has to be this way. sigh….
and a side note, i recently started re-reading the whole manga from the beginning.... you can really tell how Oda-sama has improved. Shanks looks completely different now. i really like it. and Whitebeard's ship is TOTALLY badass. and so is his weapon. and so is this whole chapter. XD
Hope I didn't miss much, seems as if Ace only has one week until his eventual ass kicking at the hands of BB. Awesome stuff
@jackvance:
Btw, doesn't anyone find it strange just why Shanks decided to pay WB a visit? Just to tell him to call Ace off? I mean, and the marines made such a big fuss about it too. You'd have expected some elaborate cooperative plan or something.
The marines didn't know what'd happen when they met..and the way i see it, Shanks isn't there just to stop Ace, but mainly to warn Whitebeard about the threat called Blackbeard. Remember that he sent the message when BB finally came out from White's shadow and started his move to become a Shichibukai.
I believe the fight should it even happen will be interrupted before anything decisive happens. Blackbeard will have the upper hand but won't have any chance to finish Ace. Maybe Smoker will once more make an appearance and sucker punch Ace when he was about to go wild or something.
Whatever it is it will be something unexpected as I just can't imagine so large a part of the forums getting the outcome of the fight right
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Best chapter yet. What makes it even cooler is that the Strawhats aren't even in it. Seems Blackbeard actually has a blackbeard now. And I'll say it again, Yassop has some badass dreedlocks just like me. Yssop kicks ass. So I'm wondering, will we see both fights next chapter or just one?
Wooow freaking awesome chapter! And whitebeard uses a kwandao!!! I've been waiting for character using that will show up, but I never thought it would be whitebeard really cool.. really we need more polearm users in OP…
BB beating Ace would conclude the "BB wants to become Shichibukai" stuff perfectly. Any other result would be lame; Ace wins, BB disappears from the story. That was worth all that buildup really. A draw, and BB keeps on chasing Luffy until he reaches him, gets his ass kicked, and doesn't become Shichibukai. Lame.
Really, plotwise BB defeating Ace is perfect.
actually I find his desire to be a shichibukai rather pathetic…although no dout its all part of his plan...he is no pirate on the level of the others though...hes crooked like white beard says...he hasnt the true spirit such as luffy, shanks, white beard etc....none of those would think of joining the shichibukai...all I think of BBs crew...is a rather nasty crew who are tailing luffy's crew to take them down...honestly I see them getting away from ace ad facing off with the straw hats...I see a bloody confrontation
The thing I find rather funny is, ace is luffy's brother, he has one of the strongest devil fruits and he is a D....anyway, I think white beard knows what ace is capable of better than shanks...since he is part of his crew
Anyway, white beard seems one of the coolest characters in OP, definitely up there with shanks etc...I tend to pay little attention to predictions here anyway, half the people here were predicting helmeppo and coby taking luffy and zorro down, and also garp trying to take luffy in...needless to say I didnt see either happening.....I jsut find it bizarre that people write off ace from a few ambiguous words...its the same with any anime, people always insinuate too much from the text
peace
Why is being a shichibukai pathetic? It could give one a few opportunities..
Like it was said in this chapter, Blackbead seemed to hide behind Whitebeard to gain power, so maybe he'll do the same with the shichibukai title?
Also, about spirit, from his speech he seems to have similar "spirit" to Luffy, though a different morale system.
I really don't see Ace losing, I mean both Luffy and Whitebeard seem to have an incredibly faith in Ace in that he can defeat any opponent he meets. Well Luffy never said this but it's pretty obvious since he has as much respect for his brother as he does for Shanks.
Besides, Blackbeard losing to Ace doesn't mean squat, it just means that Ace is just that much stronger. I mean if BB loses to someone like Hawk Eye, Shanks, Whitebeard, Sengoku, Aokiji, or Garp, that means he's weak and should give up his pursuit for Shichibukai?
hardly…yes in his speach it seemed so... and there is no doubt he has the will, ut his path seems to be rather pathetic compared to luffy's...hiding in the shadows etc...while luffy is always in the open drawing attention to himself...how much older is black beard....and how little renown does he have...I hope they are a very tough crew....but you can tell they are definitely not going to be a final opposition....their crew seems infinitely more random than shanks crew....the doc q guy is funny as hell though...oda is a master of design
Any chance of Ace dying? (Waits for laughter…)
Thanks for the chapter, by the way. And I always assumed Whitebeard was confined to that area of the ship at all times, due to his poor health. Which reminds me, where were the nurses?
Like I said before, I think Ace will put one hell of a fight, taking down.. Say.. 3 of the BB crew? BB's gonna get snapped by that and finish him him with a tiny struggle, as to Ace's wounds from his fights before.
Whitebeard and Shanks are gonna stop in the middle, it's obvious we won't see one of the huge characters get into a situation that will affect them too much this soon and this shortly.
Now it's pretty much given that the next arc is BB's, or one that is connected to it and must be accomplished to get to the BB arc.
Plotwise, BB defeating Ace would kick ass! But… it's unlikely, Ace is way too strong. But, on the hand, we've yet to see BB's fighting style.
I'm looking forward to the next chapters... Wonder what will happen next.
And I've to agree with Rai. BB-arc seems pretty likely, though I wouldn't say "no" a Dragon-arc either. Maybe they could be connected?
3. What weapon is Whitebeard using, it looks more of a spear than sword?
Some people have mentioned spears and pole arms, but those are a general class of weapon. There are many variations on pole arms and spears. Spears typically have a double edge, and pole arms often have the spear head flanked by double or single axe heads, so I did a bit of research on Wikipedia. What makes Whitebeard's weapon stand out is the lack of an axe head and the single sided blade, effectively making it a sword blade on a pole. So my conclusion is that Whitebeard is wielding a Japanese "naginata". The European equivalent would be a glaive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naginata
What is interesting is that Oda chose to give Whitebeard a weapon that, according to Wikipedia, has become associated with women and in modern Japan is studied more by women than men.
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Some people have mentioned spears and pole arms, but those are a general class of weapon. There are many variations on pole arms and spears. Spears typically have a double edge, and pole arms often have the spear head flanked by double or single axe heads, so I did a bit of research on Wikipedia. What makes Whitebeard's weapon stand out is the lack of an axe head and the single sided blade, effectively making it a sword blade on a pole. So my conclusion is that Whitebeard is wielding a Japanese "naginata". The European equivalent would be a glaive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naginata
What is interesting is that Oda chose to give Whitebeard a weapon that, according to Wikipedia, has become associated with women and in modern Japan is studied more by women than men.
Wrong, as you can see Naginatas blade is like a katana, small, and Whitebeards blade isnt small, so it is probably a guan dao/ Kwan dao, the famous weapon that the warlord Guan Yu used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwandao
This does acttually fitt very weel, as they said Guan Yu was the most famous warriors at his time in China, kinda like Whitebeard now.
I hope though that we will see a strong female with a naginata… That would rock...
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And you have wrong on another point as well, spear is a polearm, just like sabre and katanas are swords. Polearms are spears, glaives, pikes, halbeards, lances, naginatas, Yaris, qiangs, Guan daos and so on.. understand? 
I'm a weapon nerd... ^^
I want to see Ace fighting alongside mugiwara against BB crew !
And why didn't anybody talk about Shanks' spirit ? Not a DF but still very impressive. Seems something similar to me to what we saw Zoro doing against Kaku
I really don't see Ace losing, I mean both Luffy and Whitebeard seem to have an incredibly faith in Ace in that he can defeat any opponent he meets. Well Luffy never said this but it's pretty obvious since he has as much respect for his brother as he does for Shanks.
Besides, Blackbeard losing to Ace doesn't mean squat, it just means that Ace is just that much stronger. I mean if BB loses to someone like Hawk Eye, Shanks, Whitebeard, Sengoku, Aokiji, or Garp, that means he's weak and should give up his pursuit for Shichibukai?
Almost everyone looks up to their big brother and thinks they're formidable it's a common sibling thing. I would like to know when it was stated that BB lost to half the people you listed and your reasoning for it meaning he's weak clearly shows you have'nt got the meaning the chapter brought.
Blackbeard is a silent assassin he's well aware of what he's capable of but he chooses to (going by shanks estimation) let everyone else go ahead and do their thing without displaying his ''true powers'' if he was weak I don't think he would have the followers he does nor would he even put himself in danger or being a schichibukai when bounty hunters would be salvating to take him out, why would he do so if he wasn't confident in his abilities?. Personally I think ace has been mis informed and has gone into the fight thinking Blackbeard is some low life that's killed a companion and been on the run therefore no threat when in reality the person he killed was probably strategic with limited knowledge of his fighting style known to the crew.
And why didn't anybody talk about Shanks' spirit ? Not a DF but still very impressive. Seems something similar to me to what we saw Zoro doing against Kaku
Yeah that was insane, I mean they were all foaming at the mouth. Pretty wicked for a loser who got his armed eaten by a fish, to all those who dared to insult Shanks.
Not to mention the collision between Whitebeard and Shanks opened up the heavens. And I honestly don't think they were trying either….. now that's just downright scary.
Its not a guarantee that those 2 will fight….....
I don't see Ace losing. He's too sexy to lose with all the Fire powers and him being Invunerable to physical attacks.
Shank's awesomness has gone up like a rocket.
Wrong, as you can see Naginatas blade is like a katana, small, and Whitebeards blade isnt small, so it is probably a guan dao/ Kwan dao, the famous weapon that the warlord Guan Yu used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwandao
This does acttually fitt very weel, as they said Guan Yu was the most famous warriors at his time in China, kinda like Whitebeard now.I hope though that we will see a strong female with a naginata… That would rock...
Judging by the size of the blade on the Chinese statue, the Kwan dao is a better match and it's history is certainly more befitting of someone like Whitebeard. Kwan dao it is. 
Oh yeah, what happen to Whitebeard's sign? I thought it was the Manji-shape, now Oda changed it to look like the anime one.
What the… when Shanks strikes/blocks white beard is it me or he's using TWO HANDS?! it seems like he's holding the sword with the left hand
Political correctness and all that BS. Apparently some people were importing the Japanese version and parents saw it and flipped out. So in response, Oda just changed it.
Great chapter. Lots of possibilities here. So apparently BB fights with claws. That's kind of cool, we haven't seen a claw fighter yet in One Piece.
What the… when Shanks strikes/blocks white beard is it me or he's using TWO HANDS?! it seems like he's holding the sword with the left hand
nah dude, he is definitely using only one hand.
also, i looked more closely at Yasopp's face and it actually looks pretty similar to Lucci's.
ZOMG LUCCI IS USOPP'S UNCLE RAWR!!!!
Btw, did anyone notice that Whitebeard's ship is modeled after Bismarck, the lunar whale?
wow intense chapter o_O…i'm eagerly awaiting the next one _~~
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Great chapter. Lots of possibilities here. So apparently BB fights with claws. That's kind of cool, we haven't seen a claw fighter yet in One Piece.
what exactly do you mean by "claw fighter"? what about Kuro, and the Nyaban Brothers? o_O
has it been confirmed he has claws? that really doesnt fit… he doesnt seem to be that agile..
Well it looks like this clears up the mess about Whitebeard using a sword. WB's weapon is a Bisento (in Japanese). I guess it's the asian Halberd, originally from China. (EDIT: it's called Guan Dao or Yanyue Dao in chinese)
http://kogakure.de/images/artikel/waffen-bisento.jpg
So Hawkeyes can still be the strongest swordsman >_>
Hate to be a dick and quote myself, but i've been saying this long ago. Since solid already provided a separate link for Guan daos I wont bother
That's a little different. Kuro used like ridiculously long claws. I'm thinking more like Vega in terms of fighting: short, quick claws, like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katar
Or this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:VegaSF.jpg
Or even a Bear Zoan.
How else would he create a scar like that? Of course, it could be something like Buggy did with his knives, but Blackbeard can't do Bara Bara Harpoon.
Anybody thinks a spear (or whatever) that Whitebeard use, maybe could be Roger´s? It would be kinda cool.
BTW: Awesome, pure awesome…
Yasopp's Rastafarian look is awesome, though its strange his design is more serious than before while Lucky Roux seems just as silly as before. Also, like everyone else, my respect for Whitebeard shot up a lot. He had an aura of greatness when he was first introduced but his lack of inclusion made it a lot less relevant. Since the events at Enies Lobby have made the paper I hope they start showing people the Starwhats left behind reading the news. Not sure what to think about Buggy and Shanks being on Roger's crew.
Anyways, thanks for the chapter.
@AD-HD:
Anybody thinks a spear (or whatever) that Whitebeard use, maybe could be Roger´s? It would be kinda cool.
BTW: Awesome, pure awesome…
Actually yes, because it's pretty obvious Roger used a spear:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodes_Rogers
The man he's modeled after did too.
that doctor PoisonQ in blackbeard's crew….somehow reminds me of Hyatt
anyone else around here find Blackbeard much cooler than Ace or is it just me?
Oh yeah, what happen to Whitebeard's sign? I thought it was the Manji-shape, now Oda changed it to look like the anime one.
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I think if Ace loses, then Shanks would lose or draw. Both Ace and Whitebeard losing wouldn't have the same effect.
But despite the rest of the story, it'd still be weird for Ace to lose for some reason.
Shanks vs WB is gonna definately be a stalemate, no way will Shanks be defeated so early or WB for that matter.
@jackvance:
Also remember Teach was strong enough to put the hurt on even Shanks. Ace is a goner..
Btw, doesn't anyone find it strange just why Shanks decided to pay WB a visit? Just to tell him to call Ace off? I mean, and the marines made such a big fuss about it too. You'd have expected some elaborate cooperative plan or something.
violence is always the most probable reaction in the name of fear. there was no way WB and Shanks were gonna hook up from our PoV but to the WG it was something they couldn't risk happening. As Mihawk said, Shanks is too carefree, he doesn't take his position serious enough and so he probably didn't even consider what it's like (the repercussions) of two Yonkou meeting and possibly joining forces. The bigger question is, what does the WG think that Shanks could've found to make them want to take the WG head-on like that.
I just realized Yassop's hair is now black instead of blondish.:ninja:
About The Blackbeard and ace fight.
I believe that simply killing Ace wouldn't help the story.
But BB capturing Ace and then the gang heading off to rescue him would be more logical.
Offering him to the world goverment would work as a means to show his worth to everyone disputing him.
Thats my theory.
Let's see if it turns out true.
