Update…......
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Phenom just got the grand times trans from NJT.
It states that the powers are all equal.
If you dont think so feel free to debate.
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The 3 Great Powers Of The World
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Let's put it this way - if yonkou worked together, they would easily overthrow WG and Shichibukai. Sadly, they are just 4 crews, who act like little kids.
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The Yonkou obviously since the 2 other powers are here to balance with the Youkou.
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I dont think so. Shichibukai are the most handy caped and yet they can still paly on equal level with the other 2 powers.:getlost:
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The Yonkou obviously since the 2 other powers are here to balance with the Youkou.
@stephen's:
Mihawk: "Marine Headquarters" and "Seven Armed Seas"… two conflicting groups of equal power holding a "round table" is a meaningless thing.
I don't understand why so many people keep thinking that the Shichibukai and the WG work together. Yes, there is some form of alliance, but I thought Crocodile's BW and DoFlamingo's new age of piracy were indicators that the Shichibukai aren't that interested in the WG.
The Yonkou are probably the strongest though, b/c it looks like the WG is fearing a team up of 2 pirate crews, which means that normally 1 crew is enough to worry the WG/Marines, otherwise, why haven't they captured them yet.
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I don't understand why so many people keep thinking that the Shichibukai and the WG work together. Yes, there is some form of alliance, but I thought Crocodile's BW and DoFlamingo's new age of piracy were indicators that the Shichibukai aren't that interested in the WG.
The Yonkou are probably the strongest though,
I hope you dont mean the strongest out of the 3 powers CUZ I HIGHLIY DISAGREE:getlost:
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Ah, where would the fun be if everyone agreed with each other
The way I see and interpret it is this way. The yonkou are the strongest b/c they're not in any kind of alliance that we know of yet. The shichibukai are pirates, and if they were capable of taking out the yonkou, why is WB documented as the Strongest Man in the word at present… The WG couldn't keep up with the pirates, so they decided to get help from pirates and created the Shichibukai as their balancing factor. Just my thoughts! Please share yours.
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but World Governement isn't one of the three Powers…
the Powers of the Grand Line are:
- The Four Emperors
- The Shichibukai (alias the Seven Governement's Dogs)
- The Marine HeadQuarter
The World Governement rules on the Marine, yes, but Governement is also governative agents and officers (like the men in black, as Koogy) and also the army that fights against the revolutionary troopers of Dragon, and the army of the nations out of the Grand Line, and exspecially the CP (CP9 and the others)
World Governement, with Five Old Stars at the head, is the greater power in the world, it's the power that rules the entire world, the Red Line and the five seas... not only the Grand Line...
the third power of the Grand Line is "only" the Marine HeadQuarter, a part of the Governement in the Grand Line.
Shichibukai are pirates that have a treat with the Governement, and they can destroy the other pirates...
but there isn't, in my opinion, a really alliance between Shichibukai and Mariners:
Marine HQ is the power absolutely devote to Governement (it's a part of Governement!)
Shichibukai are simply "affiliated" with the Governement Leaders (not with the Mariners!), but, anyway, they are always dangerous...The Emperors, last but not least, are a power totally out of control for the Governement, and probably the strongest power of the Grand Line.
Favourite…
Navy: Smoker, Garp, AoKiji, Sentomaru, Coby Government: Magellano, Jabura, Rob Lucci, Hannibal, judge BaskervilleGood Guys: WhiteBeard, Hagwar D. Saur, Portuguese D. Ace, Silver Rayleigh, Jimbei
Evil Guys: BlackBeard, Ener, Shiryu, Bliking Wapol, Van der Decken
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I keep saying the World Government, when in fact the 3rd power of the GL is the 3 Admirals. Sorry about the confusion. Anyways, seems we agree on the strongest being the Yonkou (Four Emperors).
WARNING (Explicit Dialog)!!
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**Shichbukai = Yonkou
Yonkou = 3 Admirals
3 Admirals = Schichbukai
Though currently, the schichbukai are at a disadvantage.**
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I keep saying the World Government, when in fact the 3rd power of the GL is the 3 Admirals. Sorry about the confusion. Anyways, seems we agree on the strongest being the Yonkou (Four Emperors).
How is Yonkou the Strongest? :wassat: Your only trump card is Whitebeard because he is the "strongest man in the world." Behind Whitebeard nobody else is above the Admirals or Shichibukai.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
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I imagine that the shichibukai and admirals form no tight group of fighters, i.e. they don't work together. And neither are the Yonkou for that matter. I imagine that the should two sides of either power fight, odds are it will be a somewhat random encounter. So, I think that the a random group of admirals and shichibukai woud one strong enought to thwart one random emperor.
After all, the shichibukai seem to do whatever they want, so what use is a group that the WG can barely control unless it's strong? Some members of one group could easier be stronger then another, even if that group is considered "stronger." For example, Mihawk has been speculated to be stronger then Shanks, but the yonkou would seem to be the stronger group cause they have Whitebeard, the strongest pirate in the world. But it's also possible that one of those two other yonkou could get overtaken by an admiral in the future.
So, maybe the yonkou are the strongest group, and Whitebeard is the strongest pirate, yet Mihawk is the strongest swordsman. However, it doesn't mean that Aku Inu isn't stronger then the 3rd unknown admiral, and so forth. Between each individual of the three groups theres a lot of room.
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The Seven Warlords are sanctioned by the World goverment. As i mentioned in the Mihawk Vs Shanks forum Its really a two on one fight. The warlords are given authority by the WG to hunt down other pirates and for thier contriibutions the WG stays out of thier business. Think of it as a very loose fiefdom. 3 powers are = but only thing that keeps them = is that the yonkou fight amongst themsevles cuz they are full feldged pirates and thats what they do. Why do u think the world is sacred of the meeting btw Shanks and Whitebeard b/c if they grp up the it will throw the qorld off balance
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How is Yonkou the Strongest? :wassat: Your only trump card is Whitebeard because he is the "strongest man in the world." Behind Whitebeard nobody else is above the Admirals or Shichibukai.
You are correct, my "trump" as you call it is in indeed b/c of WB. But I also used the way Garp spoke of the Yonkou.
@stephen's:
Garp: Among the countless masses of pirates in the world, he is one of the four greatest, along with the infamous Whitebeard, that dwell in the latter half of the Grand Line. These pirates, who rule above all others almost as an emperor does, are called the Four Emperors, or Yonko!!! It is only Marine Headquarters and the Seven Armed Seas that can withstand their might!! These "Three Great Powers" form a precarious balance that keeps the world from destruction, lest it fall.
Now I also realize why i refered to the 3rd power as the WG. Anyways, i used this statement along with the information about WB and the interaction of the Shichibukai and the WG to form my opinion. I guess it's all in the phrasing… If Garp had said something to the effect of "It is these pesky pirates that pose the biggest threat to the WG", then i'd have a different opinion.
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You are correct, my "trump" as you call it is in indeed b/c of WB. But I also used the way Garp spoke of the Yonkou.
Now I also realize why i refered to the 3rd power as the WG. Anyways, i used this statement along with the information about WB and the interaction of the Shichibukai and the WG to form my opinion. I guess it's all in the phrasing… If Garp had said something to the effect of "It is these pesky pirates that pose the biggest threat to the WG", then i'd have a different opinion.
Uh… That's not saying much, Whitebeard is the greatest character in One Piece (Alive) and yet the Yonkou is STILL EQUAL to the Seven Gods of the sea and the Admirals.:wassat:
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Interesting…Phenomenol believes the Yonkou are only strong because of WB, and freedom believes they are the strongest.
The quote from Garp is pretty dramatic. The first time I read it, I thought "Gee, it's almost as if he resents the fact they live like emperors". This resentment may stem from fear, or even hatred. He may indeed hate the fact a bunch of pirates are loose and live like kings, yet the govt. does nothing because they CAN'T.
But who is (Possibly) saying this? Garp. What is his rank? Vice admiral. What's right above that...? Admiral. Aren't them scurvy admirals one of the 3 super powers? Considering his rank and how strong Garp is (He's pretty damn strong), I'd say the admirals aren't x1,000 stronger than him. And because of this, I believe all three powers are perfectly (if not, nearly) balanced. The same can be said about the shichibukai not being drastically different from one another.
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yonkou will probably come out on top.
not only are they strong individually, they each have a crew that consists of some of the most powerful pirates on the sea.
shichibukiai are strong but they are forced to give up their crew.
the world goverment has the three admirals but the rest of the marines are really just punching bags.
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The Gorosei themselves say that the Three Great Powers are balanced, which implies each organization possesses equal strength. Any statement that they make about the World Government during the storyline should be considered highest level canon unless contradicted by Oda himself in a later retcon. The Shichibukai are slightly weaker currently thanks to Luffy, but that should be evened out soon.
@Octogon:
**Shichbukai = Yonkou
Yonkou = 3 Admirals
3 Admirals = Schichbukai
Unless every single translation I've read of this missed something, Garp clearly states "Marine Headquarters" (well, technically Navy Headquarters, but most people render that as Marine) and not the Momotaro trio are one of the Powers. Had the Admirals themselves been the third Great Power, then he would have stated as much.
According to Garp (who, as a Marine with at least twenty years of service, can be considered an authority on the subject), the Admirals are, as a unit, lower on the foodchain than either the Shichibukai or the Yonko.**
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Ah, where would the fun be if everyone agreed with each other
The way I see and interpret it is this way. The yonkou are the strongest b/c they're not in any kind of alliance that we know of yet. The shichibukai are pirates, and if they were capable of taking out the yonkou, why is WB documented as the Strongest Man in the word at present… The WG couldn't keep up with the pirates, so they decided to get help from pirates and created the Shichibukai as their balancing factor. Just my thoughts! Please share yours.
Yea where the fun in that, BUT ITS CALLED SAVEING YOURSELF.:getlost:
At this point no one can take out whitebeard.
But Hawkeye could take shanks out and that leaves only 3 left.
And i hope you guys are not hypeing up the yonkou cuz of there crews cuz in the world of one piece number mean nothing one of the Shichibukai (Hawkeye) taught us this.
and you guys act as if the all the member of the Shichibukai are lone wofls like Hawkeye.:getlost:
JINEBEI IS A CAPTAIN OF HIS FISH MAN CREW (info episode 30 or 31:getlost:)
and hes Schichibukai and I bet he still captain of his crew, doflamingo has a crew facts the Deceased BEllamy was in his crew. so this shoud end all that bull about Schichibukai haveing no crew :getlost:
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You know, we aren't sure that shichibukai leave their crews. Sure, Arlong was left behind and Croc had no visable crew, but:
Didn't Arlong's gang seems a little weak for a shichibukai level crew? Luffy's crew was way ahead of them at the time. Jimbei may have more.
Also, Croc was a man who promoted the idea of abandoning weak allies. Odds are he just left them for this crime organization.
Now Don, he left behind Bellamy, but didn't he say to him "I don't need weaklings like you in my crew?" Now, it seems to me that Bellamy was the strongest man on Jaya at the time, so who is he referring to? I think that Don still has some crew mates left.
Perhaps shichibukai just leave some of their crew as part of the arrangement? Like for a sign of loyalty to the agreement. However, it doesn't mean that they leave their strongest behind. Bellamy looked tough but in reality wasn't really.
Also, the shichibukai seem to have allies too, like Croc had his Baroque Works. Odds are, some shichibukai will not fight alone. Or the admirals for that matter, they have marine troops and vice admirals under them. Every side gathers power.
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If i had know you were about to post that i would have never edit my post.
FREEDOM WERE ARE YOU
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You know, we aren't sure that shichibukai leave their crews. Sure, Arlong was left behind and Croc had no visable crew, but:
Didn't Arlong's gang seems a little weak for a shichibukai level crew? Luffy's crew was way ahead of them at the time. Jimbei may have more.
That's why I think Sarquiss was a member of Croc's crew. Not the one who messed him up, but scum that was useless to him so he released him and he ended up in Bellamy's crew.
As for Arlong, Arlong was NOT weak. It was just the bad circumstances that caused Luffy, Sanji, Zoro and Usopp to have the advantage. Hatchi's problem was he was an idiot and Chuu underestimated Usopp. and as for Kuroobi, Sanji was getting owned until they got on land, at which point the battle was in his favor. Mostly because Sanji started kicking before Kuroobi could recover from having air forced into his lungs. And Arlong was not used to biting into a RUBBER MAN, which doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. Arlong took quite a few hits from Luffy and even had a 5 story building collapse on top of him before going down. If Croc had a five story building collapse on top of him, he'd be dead.
By the way, only Arlong, Hatchi, Kuroobi and Chuu were part of Jimbei's crew. If you look at them, they all have a crab/sun shaped Tatoo on their bodies. Since Gyojin crews apparently tattoo their symbol on their bodies as a sign of loyalty, that's probably Jimbei's symbol.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
That's why I think Sarquiss was a member of Croc's crew. Not the one who messed him up, but scum that was useless to him so he released him and he ended up in Bellamy's crew.
As for Arlong, Arlong was NOT weak. It was just the bad circumstances that caused Luffy, Sanji, Zoro and Usopp to have the advantage. Hatchi's problem was he was an idiot and Chuu underestimated Usopp. and as for Kuroobi, Sanji was getting owned until they got on land, at which point the battle was in his favor. Mostly because Sanji started kicking before Kuroobi could recover from having air forced into his lungs. And Arlong was not used to biting into a RUBBER MAN, which doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. Arlong took quite a few hits from Luffy and even had a 5 story building collapse on top of him before going down. If Croc had a five story building collapse on top of him, he'd be dead.
By the way, only Arlong, Hatchi, Kuroobi and Chuu were part of Jimbei's crew. If you look at them, they all have a crab/sun shaped Tatoo on their bodies. Since Gyojin crews apparently tattoo their symbol on their bodies as a sign of loyalty, that's probably Jimbei's symbol.
Dude, you turned my logic of that arc around. Bad circumstances gave the SHs an advantage? Zoro was injured. Sanji was under water. Usopp was…considered weaker then normal at the time. It was the SH crew who fought with a handicap and still won. Oh yeah, and Croc went through an undetermined amount of bedrock and fell from the sky. He holds the record for surviving a Luffy attack by far.
Also, based on Arlongs attacks, he knew about Luffy being a rubber man. Now, while Arlong's attacks would be more effective against a normal human, it hasn't stopped villains in the past has it?
The thing is, the SHs were stronger then the Arlong gang at the time. I imagine that they'd do horribly against some of the crews we've seen in the Grandline. Arlong was pretty strong, but the rest of his crew did badly...
And of course they are part of Jimbei's crew. My point is that I think that Jimbei has stronger allies with them.
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Okay, point taken. But seriously, anyone who can take water and make it into a shotgun deserves at least SOME credit. It's like you think Arlong was this total weakling. Krieg was a helluva lot smarter, but Arlong was pretty damn strong.
What I meant was that ONLY Kuroobi, Hatchi, Chuu and Arlong were part of Jimbei's crew. The rest were people that the 4 of them recruited. Zoro beat the majority of them without even trying.
And like I said, Sanji was getting owned while they were in water. But then Sanji did something that fucked Kuroobi up: he forced air into his gills. That kills a normal fish. Hell, putting a fish across a scanner in the supermarket kills it. That would the equivalent of forcing water into your trachea. Would you be able to fight back after someone did that? I doubt it.
Hatchi was just a bungling idiot. Besides, Zoro's just a beast in general.
Arlong was waaay overconfident and Luffy was fueled by his rage. If you recall, when Luffy got out of the cement, he did a gatling gun, a Bullet, a bell, and a whip to Arlong, and he wasn't even phased. To bare chest arlong. The first move that Luffy did on Croc was a bazooka, and he was LAUNCHED. Coughing up blood and everything.
Hey, that's something else. Arlong only coughed up blood once, and that was from a Spear right after being slammed into the ground. That's the only time he ever coughed up blood from any of Luffy's blows. The other blood that we saw was from him ripping out his teeth repeatedly.
Anyway, as for Chuu, it's kind of hard to continue fighting someone when you're ON FIRE. Besides, Chuu was kind of dumb and Usopp was able to use that to his advantage.
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I think that if it spent all its military power the World Government could eliminate all rivals. Shortly after its victory would be secured the world would fall into anarchy and the member nations of the World Government would drift away since they would no longer be protected. Each nation would go back to seeing after its own security and you'd probably have many wars as the strong island nations tried to gobble up the weak.
Edit: Speaking of Arlong, everyone underestimates him because he had a low bounty. Keep in mind that he was bribing the marines in the area so Marine HQ was probably getting skewed reports downplaying his threat.
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It was strongly implied that Jinbei had to leave behind his crew as a result of his participation in the Shichibukai, and it is further implied in every scene involving one of the 7 Gods that they all work alone. Crocodile's organization was a complete secret, and as far as I'm concerned, Flamingo's association to Bellamy is not official because BELLAMY is the leader of his crew.
Of course, given the nature of Pirates in general, most of them probably keeps a few connections and associates (eg: Flamingo's "business on the island"). The question is: IF the 7 gods were reunited with their crews, would they be more powerful as 7 pirates crews than the "4 Emperors" or for that matter, the World Goverment?????
I think NO.
First of all the 7 pirates/pirate crews would never combine forces, but if they did I would still say NO because the 4 emperors are the fearsome not only because they have such scary people, but because, their crews are so strong. Every one of them probably commands a fleet of ships. There is no proof of this but I think that's how it is because of Ace's title, "Commander of the Second Squadron". Even Creek had his own fleet of ships, what makes it so impossible for one of the Emperors to command a fleet? Furthermore, WB's secondary squad is commanded by a guy as strong as Ace, just imagine the other commanders, and that's only one of the 4!! So the combined power of the 4 is probably just as big if not larger than all 7 Gods and crews.
The other matter is the WG. I think realistically the WG probably has a very limited number of extremely powerful soldiers. Of course, I think they have enough to oppose the 4 emperors, but the problem is that the WG cannot afford to take all of their most power guys on an assault on one of the 3 powers because their power is very spread out for an important reason. Afterall they need to play the role of law enforcer no? They can't take all the powerful guys from their posts because it would create worldwide chaos.
All is all this is just a speculative question, but the problem is that none of the 3 powers could ever unite within one force to fight against one another. That is why there is such a delicate balance, and that is why the WG is freaked out about Shanks meeting with WB
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lol, remember when they were escaping from the marines who were called in by the buster call? they battled all those smoker-ranked people who possess different abilities, but they got away without a scratch… which means, their real powers are those 3 admirals ao(blue), aka (red), unless the WG has someone else...
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It was strongly implied that Jinbei had to leave behind his crew as a result of his participation in the Shichibukai, and it is further implied in every scene involving one of the 7 Gods that they all work alone. Crocodile's organization was a complete secret, and as far as I'm concerned, Flamingo's association to Bellamy is not official because BELLAMY is the leader of his crew.
Of course, given the nature of Pirates in general, most of them probably keeps a few connections and associates (eg: Flamingo's "business on the island"). The question is: IF the 7 gods were reunited with their crews, would they be more powerful as 7 pirates crews than the "4 Emperors" or for that matter, the World Goverment?????
I think NO.
First of all the 7 pirates/pirate crews would never combine forces, but if they did I would still say NO because the 4 emperors are the fearsome not only because they have such scary people, but because, their crews are so strong. Every one of them probably commands a fleet of ships. There is no proof of this but I think that's how it is because of Ace's title, "Commander of the Second Squadron". Even Creek had his own fleet of ships, what makes it so impossible for one of the Emperors to command a fleet? Furthermore, WB's secondary squad is commanded by a guy as strong as Ace, just imagine the other commanders, and that's only one of the 4!! So the combined power of the 4 is probably just as big if not larger than all 7 Gods and crews.
The other matter is the WG. I think realistically the WG probably has a very limited number of extremely powerful soldiers. Of course, I think they have enough to oppose the 4 emperors, but the problem is that the WG cannot afford to take all of their most power guys on an assault on one of the 3 powers because their power is very spread out for an important reason. Afterall they need to play the role of law enforcer no? They can't take all the powerful guys from their posts because it would create worldwide chaos.
All is all this is just a speculative question, but the problem is that none of the 3 powers could ever unite within one force to fight against one another. That is why there is such a delicate balance, and that is why the WG is freaked out about Shanks meeting with WB
It was never stated that they have to leave there crew and even if it is. its not like they would just listen AND DO WHAT THEY SAY! and bellamy is a low ranked underlig that in flamingos crew that he does not need a round anymore.
(Once again Oda gives his fans too much credit understanding the obvious):getlost:
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The 3 admiral is currently at numerically disadvantage(the rest of the marines are just meat shields). However they are working togethere, while the yonkou and 7 warlords are NOT working togethere.
While the yonkou are only 4 guys, they has their crew to back them up, people like Ace are no push over.
Also 7 warlords don't even like each other. They are just as likely to fight among themselve as fighting against the other powers.
So i think they are relatively balanced against each other.
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Ok we all know that the World Goverment, Shichibukiai ,and yonkou are the three powers of the world, which of the three do you think is the strongest and would come out on top in a battle with one another.
(Base off of what we know and seen):getlost:
Everyone know that the pirate king will be the one overpowering all of them. So I say LUFFY!
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I think that 3 admirals = Shichibukai (7 of them) = 4 emperors.
It's kind of like the Romance of three Kingdom, where the 3 forces are balanced. If one force tries to take out the other force, the last one will attack both of them. That's why they call it the 3 force of the world, "if one weakened it will bring doom to the world", quoted
Volume 25, Chapter 233, page 15-16
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Shichibukai is at an advantage right now since they lost 1 out of 7
The Youkou are as strong as admirals in 1-1 combat, (some are stronger, like Whitebeard) but since they do not cooperate (pirates like to go solo) they are considered not as strong as the marines. I think it is the same with the Shichibukai. But that doesn't mean the marines would like to risk it attacking them, in case they just decide to unite and beat the crap out of Marines and Shichibukai.
As I said, the 3 forces are in balance, so none of them want to go to war first.Master Yoda: "Believe in the Force"
Master Oda: "I leave it all in One Piece"
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Yeah, somehow the 3 forces work out to be equal, possbily through a lack of organization or teamwork though. Since the shichibukai hardly seem to work together, they need to be strong to fight against a possible Emperor attack right?
They're all probably in league with each other. None have a huge advantage. The world government might be afraid cause…they don't exactly control the shichibukai do they? The yonkou could most likely go to Majoria without shichibukai interference and go through marines troops.
Maybe some admirals would be there, I'm not clear how marines and world governement works out. I think they're the same pretty much--two different forces on the same side. Though the admirals could be preoccupied or something with a marine order.
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According to Garp (who, as a Marine with at least twenty years of service, can be considered an authority on the subject), the Admirals are, as a unit, lower on the foodchain than either the Shichibukai or the Yonko.
It doesn't make much sense to compare individual members of these 3 great powers or place them on a foodchain as it's clear since quite some time now these "great powers" aren't simply powerful individuals like always in shonen tradition but also the troops they command.
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The shichibukai still having crews would make sense. Otherwise they would be by far the strongest individuals. considering they can balance the other 2 powers, that consist of strong individuals+crews/soldiers, out.
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I think it's obvious Shichibukais (with maybe the exception of Mihawk who doesn't seem to be the type to work with other people, which makes him all the more impressive) still control large groups of pirates/criminals whatever; Crocodile had Baroque Works, Jinbei is supposed to be the leader of the Gyojin race, and I highly doubt DoFlamingo would be able to launch that New Age of Piracy alone.
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I don't think it was ever stated thaty bellmy was a leader of the crew.
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Actually, it does. According to Stephen's Scripts, when it shows Bellamy's intro box, it says "Leader of the Bellamy Pirates, Bellamy the Hyena, 55 Million Beli Bounty". But what bothers me is that Sarquiss keeps calling him the "Big-time Rookie". Does that mean that Sarquiss was originally the leader of the spinoff, then Bellamy came along and they all started to follow him?
I guess it doesn't really matter in the end. Bellamy's supposedly dead or at least mutilated by Sarquiss.
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The shichibukai still having crews would make sense. Otherwise they would be by far the strongest individuals. considering they can balance the other 2 powers, that consist of strong individuals+crews/soldiers, out.
This say it all
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The Shichibaki don't have any set 'form' - each one is going to be different.
Mihawk for sure does not have a crew, but for all we know he does have "associates" we have not seen. We'll have to wait and see how he pans out.
Crocodile keeping BW secret was probably not due to the Shichibaki not being allowed to have underlings, so much as he didn't want the WG putting the big picture together so he concealed the knowledge that all of these various criminals were working under his control.
Jinbei and Flamingo both probably have access to a large amount of "resources" and manpower. Don definately sounds like he has some grand plans, and Jinbei seems to pull alot of clout as well.
The Shichibaki have "resources", and each individual's resources are going to be different. The Emperor's each have a powerful crew, and the Admirals of course have the marines, but each Shichibaki is going to be different in what resources they have access to in addition to thier own strength, so they are much much harder to judge as a group.
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It doesn't make much sense to compare individual members of these 3 great powers or place them on a foodchain
Actually, it does. People continually list the Admirals as being one of the Powers when that is clearly not what Garp said.
as it's clear since quite some time now these "great powers" aren't simply powerful individuals like always in shonen tradition but also the troops they command
Mihawk crushed Don Krieg's Armada by himself while Crocodile's various minions were for an operation wholly unrelated to his work as a Shichibukai, which was something that he did by himself. Effortlessly to boot. Based on the track record, it seems probable that the Shichibukai might just be seven ridiculously powerful individuals.
If nothing else, almost a full third of its power is those two men.
Complicating things since 2009.
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Hell, Vice-Admiral Scarface alone could probably take out half of Ace's crew if it weren't for all the Seastone lining the bottom of the friggin' boat.
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
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@_Meh_:
Hell, Vice-Admiral Scarface alone could probably take out half of Ace's crew if it weren't for all the Seastone lining the bottom of the friggin' boat.
Wah? Ace's crew? Why Ace's crew? We don't know if he's that level, Ace is freaking strong.
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@_Meh_:
Hell, Vice-Admiral Scarface alone could probably take out half of Ace's crew if it weren't for all the Seastone lining the bottom of the friggin' boat.
**Ace's crew is the crew of the strongest man in the entire fuckin world.
So, no.
EDIT: unless you are talking aboutt all those random/common people, then yes.**
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Vice Admiral Scarface wipes his ass with Whitebeard's bandana.
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Actually, it does. People continually list the Admirals as being one of the Powers when that is clearly not what Garp said.
Mihawk crushed Don Krieg's Armada by himself while Crocodile's various minions were for an operation wholly unrelated to his work as a Shichibukai, which was something that he did by himself. Effortlessly to boot. Based on the track record, it seems probable that the Shichibukai might just be seven ridiculously powerful individuals.
If nothing else, almost a full third of its power is those two men.
The same can be said about the Admirals. Kuzan beat Luffy by barely touching him. Granted, the natural weakness of Rubber is cold, but still…
Our account of what happened with Mihawk is from Gin, who was drunk or something. It was "all a haze" to him.
Best guess? They entered the Grand Line somewhere near Marijoi (Remember, East Blue borders the West side of Marijoi), Gorosei were like "Wtfhax", and sent Mihawk (And from the sound of it, Jimbei) to impede their progress. Jimbei created a storm and started sinking ships, and Mihawk starting chopping ships up with his Kuroken. Krieg was probably on an ego trip and ordered them to stay until Admirals or someone showed up, and he got the hell out of the Grand Line. Just as they exit the calm belt, they run into Fullbody, who is also "Wtfhax" and chases them. Gin hops in a boat dressed as Krieg, Krieg sails off to his base and Gin gets captured and ends up at Baratie on Fullbody's boat.
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@Fire Fist:
Hatchi was just a bungling idiot. Besides, Zoro's just a beast in general.
I think that you're underestimating Hatchi too much. Didn't he say that he was the 2nd best swordsman from Merman Island? Besides that, he was mostly just acting like an idiot – though his fighting style was the real deal.
@Fire Fist:
Arlong was waaay overconfident and Luffy was fueled by his rage. If you recall, when Luffy got out of the cement, he did a gatling gun, a Bullet, a bell, and a whip to Arlong, and he wasn't even phased. To bare chest arlong. The first move that Luffy did on Croc was a bazooka, and he was LAUNCHED. Coughing up blood and everything.
It seemed to me that the only time that Luffy was really pissed off during that fight was when he saw Nami's room and the pen that had Nami's blood on it. He was mostly just goofing off for most of the early parts of the fight. Once Luffy got really pissed off, though, Arlong didn't stand a chance against him.
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One thing you have to keep in mind all 4 yonkou faces were shown (we know the strongest one out of the four):getlost:
As for the shichibukai we only seen 4 and got name (JINEBEI)
And last but not least the Admirals we seen 1 and heard of the other 2 (we know the strongest one out of the three)
The point is we see the strongest for the other 2 powers but the Shichibukai have yet to show there faces to the world. and we dont know the strongest out of the seven :getlost:
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Vice Admiral Scarface wipes his ass with Whitebeard's bandana.
And you…....... I hope your kidding but if your not, all I can only say is dont post here anymore:getlost:
Im not even going 2 bash you.
Now where is FREEDOM at :getlost:
