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      Okay, for those of you who don't know what Capoeira is, it's a brazilian form of martial arts that is the predecessor to break dancing. It involves a very flexible body and mostly consists of kick attacks.

      The topic I'm bringing up for discussion is the possibility of Sanji implementing this into his fighting style. Some of his moves are already similar to Capoeira, but in order to take it to "The next step", Sanji could ultimately become the equivalent of a break dancer: using fluid, dance-like motions combined with Diablo Leg. The end result? Actual character development.

      Let's face it. Sanji has not trained or learned any new moves since he joined the crew. He's been the same fighting cook since leaving Baratie. Everyone else has adjusted their fighting style in some way. Nami was given a versatile weapon and found out how to use her intelligence. Luffy has found new ways to use his rubber body. Usopp has upgraded his weapons with dials. Zoro has created all sorts of new techniques. And Chopper has been working on his Rumble balls. Monster point isn't exactly an improvement, but it can very much be if Chopper could learn to control it.

      In order for Sanji to grow, like his fellow nakama, he must adjust his style to fit the more aggressive types on the Grand Line. Diablo Leg is the first new technique / method of fighting that he's developed, and it seems more forced than anything. Sanji learning Capoeira would be a natural progression of his fighting style. Dancing and kickboxing go hand in hand.

      So, assuming Sanji does decide to delve more deeply into this fluid form of kick fighting, how will he go about it? Like I said, his style does closely resemble it, but it's not quite there. What can he do, in your opinion, to become the Mugiwara "Break Dancer"?

      I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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        First of all, getting a new attack is hardly character development. Sanji getting beat down by Calipha, that was character development, cause it added something to his character. It's more like "fighting development" unless the technique has on outside story impact. But that's just nitpicking.

        Any way, his new techniqes won't be kick based but will evolve from his cooking. If he does learn this Capoeira thing, I don't think it will do much. It sounds like Sanji just kicking with a new "style" which can just be achieved with good choreography.

        He's learn cooking based kicks. He'll cut with kicks like he would cut celery. He'd add a twister element to his kicks to make a blending motion.

        And speaking for Daible Jamb, here's a spin off idea of that move. What if, Sanji kicked an area with this heat leg, and it temporarily made that area hot for a minute? Kind of lie ryankaku, but with heat instead of cutting.

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          Okay, I'm brazilian and I must say something about this… (Sorry, btw, long time lurker, first poster and all that stuff...)

          I don't believe this will happen... look, this is probably what you think capoeira is:

          That's some aggressive kicking and impressive dodging, right? Well, actually, no. Capoeira is more a sort of dance, a recreational fighting style, geared towards making your body flexible and… Well, capable of doing the stuff above.

          All the moves Capoeiristas do are coreographed, sorta; like, if the attacker does this, the defender knows he does move X or Y next, and the attacker, similarly, responds with moves A or B to move X, and C or D to move Y, and so on…

          Therefore, if you use capoeira in a real fight, it's not nearly as beautiful as in a demonstration, and it's really much less effective than it looks. And, if you take the dance out of it, only the fighting moves stay - and that's already what Sanji does: as you said, he uses many of the techniques, but out of context (although I doubt any capoeirista could put his palms to the ground and repeatedly spin their legs wide apart with enough force to cause any real damage...)

          Also, Sanji doing the ginga would be... ridiculous. 👅

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            Unless Sanji turns all Eddie Gordo in the series, I hardly belive it will happen.

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              @Takezo:

              And, if you take the dance out of it, only the fighting moves stay - and that's already what Sanji does: as you said, he uses many of the techniques, but out of context

              That's pretty much it.

              I'm sure Sanji will have some fighting development from here on, based on his Devil Leg, since it opens a whole lot of attacks possibilities. I just hope it won't be overused every fight, same with Gear 2nd.

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                In one of them fighting games didn't they have a Brazillian that done these moves and got beat up all the time?

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                  He's already doing it. . . . . . . . . . . . . DUHHHH! (ok he's doing it minus the rhymic arm and body swagger and the hunched back)

                  Like Tazeko says, you really don't know much about Capoeira. Look Sanji has been gaining new moves since he was introduced, just that until the CP9 arc, Oda hasn't made any of the moves overly flamboyant (no pun intended). I really don't know what you are talking about when you say "a more fluid style of fighting" because if you mean "dance-like" instead, then Tazeko has already explained to you the origins of Capoeira. The only reason it seems fluid is because everything is choreographed usually danced with some kind of rhythmic beat. Oda practically cut and pasted all of the "Cap" moves into Sanji's fighting style. What you're talking about is strickly break dancing with a leg on fire. What Sanji needs is a new type of attack; I was thinking of a long range attack, but it doesn't look like he'll be learning Rankyaku anymore.

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                      @sabret00the:

                      In one of them fighting games didn't they have a Brazillian that done these moves and got beat up all the time?

                      KOF, I believe… And yes, he was extremely weak... 😁

                      He did represent the style well, tho (his breathing animation was a nicely done ginga).

                      BTW, I didn't mean to pretend I'm some kind of capoeira specialist, I can't do even the basic stances... XD

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                        Takezo is correct, and you mentioned it was like a dance (which is probably the best way to describe it), but what you left out was the music & the rhythm. The whole act revolves around that rhythm caused by the berimbaus and pandeiros & singing by the observers. Oh, and don't forget the most important part of the game… the ginga (the dancing in time with the beat)

                        So, good idea, but I don't think that Sanji would add such a fighting style to his own. He has a lot of individual moves that I don't think ANYONE could pull off but him, and he'll come up with even more moves as the story goes on.

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                          Hmm, this may be only a legend, but supposedly Capoeira was invented by some rebellious Brazilian slaves; the colonists had forbidden them to practise martial arts and learn how to fight so they disguised their fighting style as a dance so that if they were ever caught they could claim they were only dancing. So Capoeira is (or should be) first and fighting style and secondly a dance.

                          I'd like it if there was a similar situation in the manga, Sanji beating up a whole group of Marines and then saying "Hey, I was just dancing!".

                          But still, I'd find it rather meh if Oda suddenly introduced a "real" fighting style in One Piece when to the date all of them have been made up. And any music-related battle tactics will probably belong to the future musician Strawhat.

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                            What Sanji needs is progress towards his dream. All of the new attacks in the SH crew were adjusting their fighting style and getting it to it's and their best [more or less]. Sanji has more than needed from that, with his moto about hands and his mentor inventing that same NEW AND DIFFERENT style. He needs/wants to stick to that preticular style.
                            I think.

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                              @Takezo:

                              KOF, I believe… And yes, he was extremely weak... 😁

                              He did represent the style well, tho (his breathing animation was a nicely done ginga).

                              BTW, I didn't mean to pretend I'm some kind of capoeira specialist, I can't do even the basic stances... XD

                              He might've been referring to Eddy Gordo from Tekken, but I remember him being pretty good.

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                                @Monkey:

                                Hmm, this may be only a legend, but supposedly Capoeira was invented by some rebellious Brazilian slaves; the colonists had forbidden them to practise martial arts and learn how to fight so they disguised their fighting style as a dance so that if they were ever caught they could claim they were only dancing. So Capoeira is (or should be) first and fighting style and secondly a dance.

                                Modern capoeira is primarily dance, and secondarily a fighting style; you can use it for self-defence, that's for sure, but that isn't as efficient as learning a martial art (whatever it be).

                                However, that historical information is correct. Thank you for paying attention to your history classes, I know many people who still think the capital of Brazil to be São Paulo or Buenos Aires.😄

                                Cap'n Carter: I guess that depends on who's playing, then… For example, I got my ass handed to me every time I played with Chun Li, but could kick some with Fei Long.

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                                  @Rai:

                                  What Sanji needs is progress towards his dream. All of the new attacks in the SH crew were adjusting their fighting style and getting it to it's and their best [more or less]. Sanji has more than needed from that, with his moto about hands and his mentor inventing that same NEW AND DIFFERENT style. He needs/wants to stick to that preticular style.
                                  I think.

                                  I agree with Rai sanji cant use his hands cuz he is a cook. One thing i wanted to add all the SH's learn their moves in battle or hours before they battle by looking at the enviroment(pinwheel). one of the reason why i like this anime and why i think its great is b/c there is no long training arcs. Its like they litaraly lvl up after every fight like and RPG.

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                                    @Takezo:

                                    KOF, I believe… And yes, he was extremely weak... 😁

                                    He did represent the style well, tho (his breathing animation was a nicely done ginga).

                                    BTW, I didn't mean to pretend I'm some kind of capoeira specialist, I can't do even the basic stances... XD

                                    Take that back! Richard Myer was godly. 😄

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                                      Take that back! Richard Myer was godly. 😄

                                      Oh hell yes. Maybe even moreso in the newest instalment, KOFMI2/KOF2006.
                                      And Eddy Gordo was really damn good.
                                      And there was a really rad Capoeira guy in Tom Yum Goong, even.

                                      It seems that anytime Capoeira is portrayed in media, it's very fun to watch (which makes sense since it's always coreographed). But One Piece doesn't use real fighting styles. Sanji is probably as close to the style now as he'll ever be.

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                                        About Rankyaku and Sanji…

                                        I'll never understand why Oda didn't give him such a aircutting technique... Zoro has one and if weaker opponents can cut the air like Califa and the other CP9ers I can't understand why not Sanji, who is known for his incredible leg-strenght and skill...

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                                          @SanG:

                                          About Rankyaku and Sanji…

                                          I'll never understand why Oda didn't give him such a aircutting technique... Zoro has one and if weaker opponents can cut the air like Califa and the other CP9ers I can't understand why not Sanji, who is known for his incredible leg-strenght and skill...

                                          I guess Oda thought it would've been too predictable to give him Rankyaku so he decided to go another route with Sanji. Who knows?

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                                            I guess Oda thought it would've been too predictable to give him Rankyaku so he decided to go another route with Sanji. Who knows?

                                            Maybe… but he should still have one long-range attack like rankyaku or Zoro's XXpound attacks

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                                              Maybe… but he should still have one long-range attack like rankyaku or Zoro's XXpound attacks

                                              Yeah, I think he should have a longe-range rankyaku as well. He may just get one, Who knows?

                                              I also get that Kim Kaphwan vibe from Sanji as well. Imagine those attacks One Piece style, that'd be a sight to behold.

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                                                I think maybe about a fireball-like long range attack… it would be stronger than a air cutting technique like Rankyaku

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                                                  First of all, getting a new attack is hardly character development. Sanji getting beat down by Calipha, that was character development … It's more like "fighting development"

                                                  I'm in complete agreement with this! – I don't think that a new move automatically makes a character more complex or intense or evolved. Something more has to be going on: something that shows insight or development or understanding.

                                                  The main thing I've always enjoyed about Sanji's fighting style is that his moves are blunt, brutal, decisive and quick. He doesn't waste time thinking up aesthetically pleasing poses or clever puns or other 'showy" things like the others do. And he doesn't stall for time by waiting for an advantage or for a crew-mate to bail him out either.

                                                  Instead, Sanji just jumps into the fray, gets the job done, adjusts his tie, dusts the rubble from his jacket ... and goes back to doing whatever he was doing (flirting with Nami, for instance) before he was interrupted by the challenger.

                                                  Sanji has an excellent mind for tactics -- he can read a situation quickly and instinctively know what needs to be done, before everyone else knows. (Zoro is the first one to recognize the danger, but Sanji is the first one to consider the long-term consequences of that danger, and to prepare for them ahead of time).

                                                  And while I don't mind seeing Sanji's fighting technique evolve (hopefully, like Onemoment suggested: along the lines of cooking, not dancing), what I'd really like to see – in terms of future character-development -- is the growth of Sanji's tactical knowledge, and the Mugiwara recognizing that talent in him and using it to their advantage in an orchestrated "set-piece."

                                                  I think it would be excellent potential for character development if Sanji were given a chance to come up with a full-scale battle plan for the Mugiwara, and to have all the others (yes, even Zoro, who would no doubt be egainst it in the beginning) take orders from him and complete the mission successfully.

                                                  To me, that's the next logical "power-up" for Sanji : to merge his "brain" fighting style with his "brawn" fighting style -- not just to learn a few more cool looking kicks.

                                                  But those would be fun, too! 🙂

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                                                      @Rai:

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                                                      I actually think a Capoeira user would be a future opponent to Sanji.

                                                      A drunken style fighter should be great… BIG EYEBROWS will be the next one ^^ lol

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                                                        I would to see Sanji fightning somekind of food opponent again, just so he can use two knifes and two Daible Jambs legs. That would be cool. ^^ He would be cooking his enemy with that.

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                                                          @Solid:

                                                          I would to see Sanji fightning somekind of food opponent again, just so he can use two knifes and two Daible Jambs legs. That would be cool. ^^ He would be cooking his enemy with that.

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                                                            As far as character development, I'd like to see Sanji get some hint about All Blue on one of the islands the crew visits. He'd be torn between remaining with the crew or pursuing his dream. It would help his development even more if the "informant"

                                                            (A.) Is a cute, slightly slutty girl

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                                                            (B.) Is a bounty hunter trying to use the crew against itself.

                                                            As for new fighting techniques, Sanji's current arsenal seems potent enough. Concusse takes out just about anything short of a Tekkai; then again, it does have the "charge time" drawback. Diable Jamb also requires some charging, but apparently less than Concusse. Diable Concusse would take longer, but if used against a slower, armored attacker would be devastating.

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                                                              Is Capoeira the martial art that that dancer girl in TEKKEN use?

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                                                                Well, about known capoeira users in pop art:

                                                                There was Eddy Gordo (Who is the best portray of it)
                                                                A guy/chick in the new KOF XI is using it
                                                                There was a guy in Real Bout Fatal Fury that had a good frame but "stiff" atacks
                                                                There´s a manga about a girl that uses it
                                                                There was an ancient movie "The Quest" with Van Damme that had one

                                                                Anyway, The history of it is as follows:

                                                                The slaves were brought from Africa. Once in Brasil, they trained a martial art that did not need any weapons besides the body itself, disguising it as a dance, in order to escape and/or defend themselves. Primaly it was kick based, with lots of body turns in order to break the neck in the first/second kick. So, true capoeira is basically this, lot´s of evasion with roundhouse kicks to kill/take out/dominate. When they managed to run away, these slaves gathered themselves in villages far and deep in jungles/wilderness protected by these so called "warriors" that knew capoeira. Important about it is that it´s not exactly a fighting technique, it´s was meant to kill/take out/dominate in the first blow, they trained in order to make everything happen fast, since their enemies had fire weapons. Nowadays, Capoeira is sort of a dance/recreation/sport. If you train with it, you get lot´s of mobility and a really powerfull kick, but it´s probably not on par with true martial arts (just like judo, if you use only that, teorically you can not kick and punch, so you need support from other things, but then it´s jiu-jitsu or something else, not judo).

                                                                PS: Sanji is a mix of lot´s of martial arts and has a french style. So, I think his style is already enough well portraied…

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                                                                  @SanG:

                                                                  I think maybe about a fireball-like long range attack… it would be stronger than a air cutting technique like Rankyaku

                                                                  Except his power isn't fire, it's heat, like when you're using an iron (for clothes) and you touch it, and you instantly burn.. if you swing that same iron really quickly you can't shoot a fireball out of it..

                                                                  For a guy with your name, I'm surprised you want Sanji to be an Ace ripoff

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                                                                    Except his power isn't fire, it's heat, like when you're using an iron (for clothes) and you touch it, and you instantly burn.. if you swing that same iron really quickly you can't shoot a fireball out of it..

                                                                    For a guy with your name, I'm surprised you want Sanji to be an Ace ripoff

                                                                    1. My name isn't telling anything cause Zoro is my fav…

                                                                    2. It was just an idea but I think he had to learn such a long-range move... Are you telling CP9 a rip off of Zoro cause they have an air-cutting move like him or are you telling Zoro a rip-off of anime-filler Eric the whirliwind??? I just said an idea cause I can't understand how some "weak" CP9er can use Rankyaku with her feets and someone like Sanji hasn't any long-range move

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                                                                      Generaly speaking I´m not very happy about the inflation of ranged attacks (derived from swinging a sword, a leg, a finger, etc.) but it´s certainly true that, if the CP9ers can do it, Sanji should be able to figure it out quite easily - if he does not, my, well, just another inconsistency …

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                                                                        but it´s certainly true that, if the CP9ers can do it, Sanji should be able to figure it out quite easily - if he does not, my, well, just another inconsistency ...

                                                                        That's my whole point… and not cause Zoro can do it or someone else!

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                                                                          @Takezo:

                                                                          Modern capoeira is primarily dance, and secondarily a fighting style; you can use it for self-defence, that's for sure, but that isn't as efficient as learning a martial art (whatever it be).

                                                                          Takezo, I'm a brazilian too, and I disagree with you… It's been six years since I came to Salvador, Bahia, and i made capoeira thereabout three years. Some groups here, in the center of city, usually do it as a dance, to entertain the tourists and etc... But in peripheral burghs there are others that use it as a martial art, and even have some quarrel with rival groups...

                                                                          So, about the fight style, it's a little hard for me to explain it, since this is my first post in english, but... Well, the "ginga" and the constant movement are the essence of capoeira. When you do it, you flex your front leg, protecting the rotule of your knee, and stretch the other leg, preparing it to hit the opponent. So, you can do a "half-moon", "flying-hammer", etc... A kind of direct hit and a spinning jumped hit. Because their disvantage againt clutch technics, some professors "recently" (master bimba, 1960, I think) teach a lot of methods to scape or to hurt the opponent.

                                                                          There are a lot of things more, like "bless", "pointer" and "compass half moon"... Pointer is usually mortal, if it get in the chin withouth any defense. And think about it... that was the kind of things that the fugitives slaves probably made, for their own survive. In fact, traditional capoeira don't forbid arm hits... and have some types of punch and slaps, although it's not the focus of the arm. They serve to maintain the balance when you're hit, or when you need to use the ground to a move... Capoeira have a interesting ground' style, and some people say that it's hard to throw and maintain a fighter disarmed on the ground, because he have a lot of manners to postrate you on the same position, or to go back and dispatch a high hit with spinning technics, like Sanji do.

                                                                          At last, I think Sanji don't need to learn capoeira, since he can do all the moves (and I saw some ones, with a different name, of course) just by improvise. But if Oda wants to get a more nifty visual combat, he could take a look on capoeira... because I hadn't saw some move like a "spinning flying hammer" =P

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