We all know that BUggy's gonna return and face Luffy… or worse, be his ally. I'm sure he'll be learning a lot of cool moves and stuff when he returns to Luffy again. There are just so many things you can do with that Devil Fruit powers of his.,
SInce Buggy and Shanks both trained together, I'm guessing that they will have the same moves.
i agree with u here, Buggy is probably luffy's arch
enemy… they're really contrasting... Buggy h8s shanks
Luffy loves Shanks... im sure they'll face each other again
and im really looking forward 2 it...
Yeah. I think that Buggy's gonna learn some really cool moves that would give Gear2 or 3 a very hard time.
Oda did mention something about Buggy separating his body parts to the size of atom. Wow!! That's gotta be real trouble for you.
Yeah it would be intersing to see what Buggy and the gang are up to right now with the stuff that just happend.
We all know that BUggy's gonna return and face Luffy… or worse, be his ally. I'm sure he'll be learning a lot of cool moves and stuff when he returns to Luffy again. There are just so many things you can do with that Devil Fruit powers of his.,
SInce Buggy and Shanks both trained together, I'm guessing that they will have the same moves.
Yeah, because Shanks can split up his body parts and still has both arms.
Look at the scars on Shanks' right eye. Then look at the number of knives Buggy holds between his fingers when fighting Luffy. It's pretty obvious that Buggy fights completely differently than Shanks, who fights with a sword. Yes, Buggy has a sword, but he hasn't used it save in a failed attempt to slice off Luffy's head.
Shanks and Luffy on a far different level than Buggy. Buggy is kept around because of his connection to Shanks and Whitebeard, which is why I believe one of the Yonkou is Buggy's mother or father. That would explain why he knows Whitebeard and why he was apprenticing with Shanks. Before the Yonkou formed, Buggy's parents could have been already famous pirates, possibly former members of Roger's crew.
Luffy would destroy Buggy now, but Buggy's dad or mom wouldn't be so easy to beat.
@Fire Fist:
Yeah, because Shanks can split up his body parts and still has both arms.
Look at the scars on Shanks' right eye. Then look at the number of knives Buggy holds between his fingers when fighting Luffy. It's pretty obvious that Buggy fights completely differently than Shanks, who fights with a sword. Yes, Buggy has a sword, but he hasn't used it save in a failed attempt to slice off Luffy's head.
Shanks and Luffy on a far different level than Buggy. Buggy is kept around because of his connection to Shanks and Whitebeard, which is why I believe one of the Yonkou is Buggy's mother or father. That would explain why he knows Whitebeard and why he was apprenticing with Shanks. Before the Yonkou formed, Buggy's parents could have been already famous pirates, possibly former members of Roger's crew.
Luffy would destroy Buggy now, but Buggy's dad or mom wouldn't be so easy to beat.
well, when I read this post I just thoght: naaaaah. Thus because oda-sensei loves too much the devil fruit bara bara and the character of Buggy: he was one of the first drawings he did about the hitory of one piece. It'sone of the motives buggy was back in loguetown and he choose to go to grand line again. I am sure: oda won't dissapoint himself, like the way he dislike to not draw things he don't like, he will came with a fucking awesome super mega hiper duper freaking upgraded buggy!!!! 
(and why not, huh?)
that's what I think and anyone noticed that buggy hadmore drawing in his face? how he will be when he encounterthe SH now?? XDD maybe the next arc he will do it!
Bara Bara Gear!
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Discuss.
I thought about it for some time: Buggy is SOOOOO underestimated here and in the series. Not powerwise, but.. Umm.. somethingelsewise.
Buggy is Shanks' rival, who is Luffy's mentor. It's like comparing Paulie to Franky [again, not powerwise..] and it's underestimating Buggy whe you put him as Luffy's rival.
Also, did you forget that not even once has Luffy beat Buggy? Nami helped him in almost 50% of the fight, if you put getting Buggy away for kicking his balls, getting Buggy away again for whatever reason I don't remember and roping Buggy's body parts 50%.
Even so, I kinda hate Buggy so I still want him to be underestimated like that.
@Rai:
Also, did you forget that not even once has Luffy beat Buggy?
Not to mention that Buggy is one of the villains that really knows how to get the better of Luffy (Harming or stealing his hat.). I have the feeling that Buggy and his crew will be returning in grand style - We still need to have a Cabaji/Zoro and Mohji/Nami rematch, don't we? There's just too much rivalry going between those two groups not to have something big go down between them. I will squeal with delight when said big deal goes on, if it does.
Edit: Actually, I can see where the source of an alliance or neutrality with lots and lots of amusing tension could possibly be as well (Ace).
Oooh.
I think Buggy may well reappear. I think we haven't heard the 100% full story on Buggy and Shanks' and the Devil Fruit (well obivously there is more to it then that because they know Whitebeard and all as others have said).
We know Buggy is on bad terms with Shanks, but what about Shanks? Does he still see Buggy as his friend despite everything that happened. Does Buggy even know how great Shanks has become (the two pirates lifestyles seem as far apart as their argument on which is the colder pole).
As for Buggy upgrading his abilities, if Oda says he can split down to atoms, wouldn't he be able to reshape various parts of his body? Then if he for example turned his fingers all sharp and pointy he'd be able to do quite a lot of damage to Luffy, ne?
_Life's too short to waste time being normal.
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There's no doubt in my mind that Buggy will reappear again, it's inevitable.
However, to say Buggy will come back and be a grandscale opponent for the SH/Luffy is a bit much IMO.
After Buggy's flashback to how he ate that fruit and seeing him and Shanks as pirate apprentices, and then learning of how great Shanks was when we first see him talking to Mihawk and the implications of Shanks being on par with Mihawk is revealed. To me, it became obvious that Buggy is jealous of Shanks becoming so powerful while he couldn't achieve the same grandure.
now, i'm not saying Buggy is a complete weakling, there definitely is something more to him considering his connections to WB and to Shanks, but i'm putting my money more on Buggy being around at the start of the pirate era and simply got to know alot of the big pirates (Shanks) before they actually became big.
As for Buggy's subordinates, Kabaji and Mohji, i see no way in the odaworld that they could catch up to Zoro/Nami/Sanji/whoever. i'm glad Oda showed Coby and Helmeppo's current improvement, i'd bet those two could take out Kabaji and Mohji, yet Coby/Helmeppo were completely outclassed by Luffy/Zoro.
There's no doubt in my mind that Buggy will reappear again, it's inevitable.
However, to say Buggy will come back and be a grandscale opponent for the SH/Luffy is a bit much IMO.After Buggy's flashback to how he ate that fruit and seeing him and Shanks as pirate apprentices, and then learning of how great Shanks was when we first see him talking to Mihawk and the implications of Shanks being on par with Mihawk is revealed. To me, it became obvious that Buggy is jealous of Shanks becoming so powerful while he couldn't achieve the same grandure.
Hey that actually sounds fairly good. I wonder if, to add to your statement, Whitebeard predicted or told Shanks and Buggy how they'd turn out. Remember something about Shanks reminded himself of Roger or something like that. Not like how Luffy reminds every other character of him, but another way.
I dont think Luffys arch enemy is Buggy. I think its more the other way around. I doubt Luffy even remembers Buggy, same for Shanks. Im sure there going to be a comedy panel again where no one remembers him.
However, I think Buggy will put up a good fight against Luffy. Not because he is super strong and has developed his skills even more (which he probably still has). He will most likely play dirty.
Buggy is vastly underestimated, he came the closest to killing Luffy out of any other villain, and he has a very useful devil's fruit. I doubt he'll straight up fight Luffy as a villain like Lucci would, but I imagine Luffy's going to be in trouble when Buggy arrives.
Buggy is vastly underestimated, he came the closest to killing Luffy out of any other villain.
I would say Crocodile came the closest to killing him, from what I remember Luffy was good as dead a numerous times fighting him.
But he's not a bad fighter, im sure he will have about mastered his fruit by the time they fight again. But he's not the type of guy who fights fairly. Even if he can win on his own.
Buggy is vastly underestimated, he came the closest to killing Luffy out of any other villain, and he has a very useful devil's fruit. I doubt he'll straight up fight Luffy as a villain like Lucci would, but I imagine Luffy's going to be in trouble when Buggy arrives.
**Exactly.
Seriously, look at Coby and Helmeppo. Compare their current strengh and their previous strengh. Now look at Buggy's previous strengh. It's perfectly logical he'll be on Luffy's level the next time they meet.**
I don't think Buggy will end up as a villain, we already have so much villains so, plus you could use Buggys characters develpoment in a better way, maybe he first challenge Luffy to a duel, then somehow it is canceled and it ends up with Buggy siding Luffy fightning against common enemies, like shichi bukai or some marines.
My opinion is that buggy's weakness came from his getting to cocky in east blue. I mean how many people was he runnign across around there that could even fight him, let alone understand devils fruits at all. Now hes sailing the grand line again this time in search of luffy, he's gotta be fighting people along the way, and he has the goal of luffy to keep him fighting. Trust me or don't were gonna see buggy again, and he will be way stronger than we imagined him, now gear 2/3 level I don't know. It would depend how oda works with his devils fruit.
Luffy: Hey, Zoro, it's okay! Your stomach is gonna pop out if you do this!
Zoro: If it wants to pop out, then let it. Don't tell me what to do. I'll do it my own way!
I guess people really do interpret things differently. I took Coby and Helmeppo's progress to indicate just how far Luffy and Zoro really have progressed so far. Coby and Helmeppo have far surpassed what i expected from then and that's with them constantly trying under Garp's wing. Yet, the two of them were insects in comparison to Luffy and Zoro.
I don't see how Buggy (who has been shown as just sitting around and searching around for the Luffy) could advance and be the same or beyond the capabilities of Luffy when they next meet.
Yeah I also think Buggy's gonna end up being one of these classical "past villains becoming allies" shonen stereotypes. I can even see him making up with Shanks.
As for his level, I don't think he'll be a threat for the SHs, as his crew sucks too much, but himself, I think he's vastly underrated. I think he could very well be Emperors subordinates level, the likes of Lucky Roux or Rockstar, despite his shitty bounty.
Afterall we've almost seen nothing of him in battle, xcept he's vulnerable to Logias like our favorite dumbfuck hero, but he's a guy who survived a trip to GL and probably to the New World, and when you see a fighter like Arlong is more or less Shichibukai level, why the hell not.
Buggy's gonna tear shit up. Or end up as a comic relief version of Bellamy, what do I know.
Is Ace still with Buggy? Maybe a Buggy battle in Summit Hill.
I don't see Buggy being a big opponent for Luffy ever again. His powers are a bit limited, and Luffy has grown and learned so much more than I think Buggy could ever learn.
yea id like to see buggy meet up with coby/helmeppo and then coby beats up alvida :O
I think our next big Buggy event will be when the crew enters the 'New World'. Its the time Koby said he'd meet up with Luffy again. I don't think Buggy will meet up with Luffy sooner, he isn't on the same Pose Log route it seems as Luffy.
Buggy's going to be pretty powerful when he shows up again; Coby and Helmeppo went from below average average Joes, to reasonably strong guys with the same rank as Tashigi in a few months, Buggy was a fairly powerful villain who fought and almost killed Luffy. He'll be strong, maybe not strong enough to be on par with Luffy, but strong nonetheless.
I seem to remember Oda saying that Buggy wasn't able to split up on a molecular level, and he was only able to separate to a certain degree, else he lose control of himself or something.
@Mr.:
Buggy's going to be pretty powerful when he shows up again; Coby and Helmeppo went from below average average Joes, to reasonably strong guys with the same rank as Tashigi in a few months
yea but copy and helmeppo are being trained by Garp
True, but Buggy was strong in the first place and also has a Devil Fruit power to make up for the lack of a super powerful trainer.
Let's look back at what we have seen of Buggy so far.
#1: Captured Luffy. Almost killed Luffy. Fought with Luffy pretty equally (Luffy got a few good hits in, but they didn't really slow Buggy down) until Nami tied his body parts up. Also found out Luffy's attachment to his straw hat.
#2: Couldn't do anything until he got his limbs back, then owned an entire village of cannibals. Teamed up with sube-sube Alvida.
#3: Captured Luffy again, almost killed Luffy but for the storm.
#4: Revealed that he has sailed the Grand Line before and even met Whitebeard and knows enough of him that he wouldn't dare hurt one of his men.
Both of the times he "fought" Luffy Buggy has only relied on dirty tricks and some outside force has always ended the encounter before he had the chance to show off, so we've never really seen his true potential. And he has been sailing the GL for almost as long as Luffy, so he must have been in some fights as well. Just because they haven't been shown it doesn't mean they haven't happened. Buggy could be on the same level as Luffy right now.
I don't doubt that Shanks is stronger than him and has been for a long time. But Shanks is stronger than Luffy too. Maybe what Buggy lacked to get as strong as him was focus and now he has it.
Of course, we're trying to guess Oda's plans, so it's pretty much an equal chance for any of our theories to be true.
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Originally Posted by Kokolores
You can't compare Franky with someone who destroyed a country in passing
It was Wapol's country. Kuro could probably do that.
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Originally Posted by WarcoW
Well compared to Zoro who was basically just parrying blows with Kaku and hasn't been hit yet, Sanji has been Rankyakued, kicked in the nuts, shiganed, Rankyakued in the nuts, turned into a bubble, crashed through a few floors and had a giant bathtub fall on his head.....yea thats pretty bad.
Let's look back at what we have seen of Buggy so far.
#1: Captured Luffy. Almost killed Luffy. Fought with Luffy pretty equally (Luffy got a few good hits in, but they didn't really slow Buggy down) until Nami tied his body parts up. Also found out Luffy's attachment to his straw hat.
#2: Couldn't do anything until he got his limbs back, then owned an entire village of cannibals. Teamed up with sube-sube Alvida.
#3: Captured Luffy again, almost killed Luffy but for the storm.
#4: Revealed that he has sailed the Grand Line before and even met Whitebeard and knows enough of him that he wouldn't dare hurt one of his men.Both of the times he "fought" Luffy Buggy has only relied on dirty tricks and some outside force has always ended the encounter before he had the chance to show off, so we've never really seen his true potential. And he has been sailing the GL for almost as long as Luffy, so he must have been in some fights as well. Just because they haven't been shown it doesn't mean they haven't happened. Buggy could be on the same level as Luffy right now.
I don't doubt that Shanks is stronger than him and has been for a long time. But Shanks is stronger than Luffy too. Maybe what Buggy lacked to get as strong as him was focus and now he has it.Of course, we're trying to guess Oda's plans, so it's pretty much an equal chance for any of our theories to be true.
he didnt almost kill luffy during his first fight (i dont really count the buggy bomb :/) and he pulled off alot of stuff during his first fight so its not like hes got a ton of tricks hidden up his sleeve and I strongly doubt that buggy is on the same level as luffy
It doesn't matter what Buggy is doing, he is going forward on the GL so he is getting stronger. Plus, I imagine he gets a lot of good fights in for treasure.
The thing about Buggy is that he is the Anti-Luffy in so many ways. From strengths and weaknesses to personality. He'll be a player when we reach the New World.
I'm not entirely sure of this, but I believe Buggy was the only fight Luffy needed direct assistance from someone else to win the fight. I don't think he would have won, had Nami not tied up all of Buggy's spare parts.
he didnt almost kill luffy during his first fight
He did actually. He purposefully pierced Luffy's hat with Luffy being unable to do anything to avoid the attack, had he thrown his knives at Luffy's face/neck instead it'd have been game over for the kid.
The thing about Buggy is that he is the Anti-Luffy in so many ways. From strengths and weaknesses to personality. He'll be a player when we reach the New World.
He is suppose to be Shanks' opposite…
Remember their argument between which pole was colder. It also showed their difference. Shanks is a typical 'Adventure seeker' pirate and Buggy is a typical 'Greedy' pirate. As we know, Shanks is now a great pirate (well he was correct after all with the colder pole).
I don't Buggy will be a grea tpirate when we next see him. He has Ace with him yes, but Buggy does many silly mistakes. I would like him to stay weak so when he meets up with Shanks, there is a comedy moement between the two. I'd also like Shanks to not openingly give away his strength to Buggy, then after a while suddenlly give the game away and leave Buggy speechless.
He did actually. He purposefully pierced Luffy's hat with Luffy being unable to do anything to avoid the attack, had he thrown his knives at Luffy's face/neck instead it'd have been game over for the kid.
thats true, 4get what i said :S
There's definitely no doubt that in the two previous encounters Buggy has had the upperhand. But regardless, Oda has left both sides ambigious. 1st encounter, we get an extremely inexperience Luffy, who's easily distracted fighting a sneaky pirate, of course Buggy has the upperhand. After Nami ties up Buggy parts, Buggy is launched into the sky and miraculously doesn't land in the ocean, but on an island somewhere. It's convenient that Luffy wasn't killed, and likewise Buggy.
To say Buggy will be at the same level as Luffy the next time they meet is a bit of a stretch now IMO. Luffy has fought a Shichibukai, a Lightening powered Logia w/ Mantra madman, and a monstrous super CP9 agent. If this were an RPG, that screams level up in so many ways. I have no doubt that Buggy maybe getting into scirmishes, but to say that he's getting into the same level of battles would take away from all the above mentioned character's uniqueness and powers.
There are only 7 shichibukai and they are supposed to be a force to recon with. To say that there are other run of the mill pirates sailing with the same level of ability takes away from having these 7 special pirates. The same goes for sky island. In addition to being in the sky, the skypieans have different technology and different ways of doing things. Same with CP9, they're specially trained and targeted at specific tasks. This is why I have difficulty believing that Buggy will be this awesome opponent in the story to come.
I have no doubt he'll return and put Luffy in some form of trouble again, but i don't expect a line up of SHP vs Buggy Pirates. The Luffy vs. Buggy fight will definitely be interesting, I have no doubt, but any other match up is quite laughable IMO.
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Then is no reason Buggy wouldn't get into battles the same magnitude as Luffy's.
Yeah, I could definetly see Buggy fighting plenty of Marines and other pirates; he might've even taken out someone with a big bounty or high rank for all we know.
I still think that the whole thing with Ace in chapter 233 will have a big influence on any occasion that Buggy may happen to run into Luffy again…
i bet ussop, nami and chopper alone could take out buggy's entire crew assuming that buggy and his crew didn't make any progress what so ever
i bet ussop, nami and chopper alone could take out buggy's entire crew assuming that buggy and his crew didn't make any progress what so ever
Going to/surviving the Grand Line for what appears to be a considerable amount of time with seemingly little difficulty isn't considered progress anymore?
The people in Alabasta seem to live just fine (Well, minus the civil war and crap). Same with Drum and Water 7. And other mentioned islands. The East Blue's view of the Grand Line is rather skewed.
Yes, the Grand Line is dangerous in some parts, but people seem to be able to live on it without relative difficulty.
Buggy is a very capable fighter. He's just had really bad luck whenever Luffy is involved.
I can't wait to see his mother or father, which I'm pretty sure is one of the Yonkou. Either way, they're probably psychotic.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
Guess you're right. I'm kind of stuck in the East Blue "That dude went to the Grand Line. He must be a total badass." mentality.
I doubt that Buggy will come back and become this big threat opponent for Luffy and Zoro. In fact, it will probably take a few minutes for them to recognize him, and result in comedy.
Not that he couldn't fight though. In whatever scenario, I imagine that Buggy could end up like Franky, a guy who can fight anyone yet not always win. As for Cabagi and Mohji, I could care less. Especially Mohji. I swear to god if that guy doesn't job to every SH then….
but that's just me. Great things are in store for Buggy, however.
@Fire Fist:
The people in Alabasta seem to live just fine (Well, minus the civil war and crap). Same with Drum and Water 7. And other mentioned islands. The East Blue's view of the Grand Line is rather skewed.
Except Alabasta was protected by Crocodile and Drum was ruined by BB crew.
And I don't see where the "Buggy's getting stronger by sailing GL" stuff comes from. At his age do you really think there's any room for improvement? It's more likely we haven't seen his real combat abilities yet and that he's making good use of them to currently survive on Grandline.
Also Buggy will always be a big threat for Zoro as Zoro can't hurt him.
@Mr.:
Yeah, I could definetly see Buggy fighting plenty of Marines and other pirates; he might've even taken out someone with a big bounty or high rank for all we know.
While fighting marines and defeating them could very well be true, even captain level marines are nothing more than canonfodder and aren't good representations of battle abilities. In terms of Buggy fighting someone with a big bounty or high rank, i find this hard to believe. Buggy was the 1st pirate introduced in East Blue, and also has a relatively low bounty, this means that he keeps a low profile and doesn't challenge any pirates with high bounties, nor does he challenge any marines with high ranks.
@Aldrich:
Except Alabasta was protected by Crocodile and Drum was ruined by BB crew.
And I don't see where the "Buggy's getting stronger by sailing GL" stuff comes from. At his age do you really think there's any room for improvement? It's more likely we haven't seen his real combat abilities yet and that he's making good use of them to currently survive on Grandline.
Also Buggy will always be a big threat for Zoro as Zoro can't hurt him.
Good point. As I've been saying, I doubt Buggy has made the kind of improvements the SH are making. I've considered the point that there is definitely more to Buggy's abilities. My problem with believing that there's anything grandscale is when I try to size up Buggy to the likes of a Shichibukai, a Logia user, or someone of Lucci's caliber. To me, Buggy is someone like Foxy, who has a great potential but just doesn't use all of it.
Zoro vs Buggy - i think this would be a good change of rivalry in the show. If zoro could find a way to harm Buggy, i think that'd put Zoro on a whole new level, but sometimes the best solution is the simplest, and Zoro could simple not use his swords and instead his fists, then Buggy is now succeptable to all attacks.
he can't hurt buggy? what about his new technique which uses wind pressure? He can use it and make buggy's body parts fly away and inflict damage at the same time as the wind it self umm… you get the point right?
I don't know. I doubt he's that weak, sure it seems he was hiding in Eastblue because he's too weak for the highest level pirates and Marines but when he goes back to Grandline chasing Luffy he looks excited, it's not coherent.
So as SteveRessel would say, Buggy was in Eastblue and had a low bounty because it was written in the script. Yeah. That's a good reason.
If Zoro wets his swords with seawater then it'd be a big problem to Buggy. But I doubt he'll be able to hit Buggy with his attacks. I mean, hey Buggy's a good fighter too, and with the Bara Bara fruit and his tricks it'd be a big problem.
I think Buggy's gonna be coming back real soon. have you seen the latest music theme in the opening of One Piece lately? Buggy and his crew were shown in it.
