I see on this forum many people mentioning that Mihawk and Shanks used to be rivals till Shanks lost his arm, now he's no match for Mihawk? Where did you guys get this from? This is all I found, and it seems that Shanks is stronger from this. http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter96.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1907 Was that a bad translation or something?
Mihawk Greater than Shanks?
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Uh, yeah… the MSN scanlations are good for visual references, but NEVER for translation references.
Here's what was actually said:
Mihawk: I have no business with you. Where are your officers? Your captain... is a careless man, to live on an island such as this...
Pirate: CA!! CA!! CA!! CAAAAAPTAAAAAAAIIIN!!!
Pirate: Hm?
Captain: Well, "Hawk-Eyes", you're a welcome visitor. I'm not feeling too good right now... you come for a match?
Mihawk: Hah... I'm not interested in a fight with a one-armed man like yourself. I found some interesting pirates. And they reminded
me of something you talked about a long time ago. About a small village... and a funny little kid...Mihawk shows animosity towards Shanks, but he knows his place. Shanks is one of the Yonkou, a power so great the Shichibukai and the World Government must work together to suppress. And they can't even do that right. The naval blockade that seperated Shanks and Whitebeard was just broken. Since Whitebeard is kind of sitting around hacking up a lung, the breakthrough was done by the Red-Hair pirates.
The real reason Mihawk doesn't fight Shanks is not because he's missing his left arm (His sword arm). It's because while Mihawk is considered the greatest swordsman in the world, Shanks could very well be the best balanced fighter in the world. Yes, Shanks does (or did, rather) use a sword, but we know nothing about his fighting style. He could use kicks in addition to swordplay, or even still be an amazing swordsman with only one arm.
I mean, just look at his first mate, Beckman. That guy is probably stronger than Zoro, who in terms of raw strength (No rubber, no gears) is on par if not stronger than Luffy. That says a lot about Shanks' strength, at least in the Shonen World.
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@Fire Fist:
Mihawk shows animosity towards Shanks, but he knows his place. Shanks is one of the Yonkou, a power so great the Shichibukai and the World Government must work together to suppress. And they can't even do that right.
Your post baffles me… LOL!
Mihawk shows no "animosity" towards Shanks at all, that is a face of disgust and unintrest in fighting a "one-armed man." In the past Mihawk and Shanks fought frequently, Mihawk is now interested in Zoro.
Also.. The Admirals and Shichibukai do not need to team up to beat the four Emperors. All three powers of the grandline are balanced therefore equal.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
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I always figured Shanks was stronger than Mihawk. By the way, even though whitebeard seems to be old and sick, he might not be any weaker than before. After all this is One Piece and someone like Whitebeard not being as powerful as he was in his prime would make things lose some meaning. Besides as far as we know all those IV's were really steroids ;).
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I always figured Shanks was stronger than Mihawk.
Not according to Oda…..
in the red data book:
本来左ききであるシャンクスはかつて、右の腰に長剣を携えていた。 ミホークとライバルだった過去からみて も、その剣の実力は世界でもトップクラスだ ったのだろう
"At first, the left-handed Shanks had simply carried his sword on the right side. When he was a rival of Mihawk, he was regarded as having some of the world's top-class skills"
Seems Shanks couldn't beat the world's greatest!
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
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I really think that Mihawk is stronger then Shanks, even if it's "only cause" he's missing an arm. Just cause the Emperors seems stronger then the other two forces doesn't mean that Mihawk can't be strongest then Shanks. If fact, there are probably a wider variety of powers in the three world powers then he think.
The emperor's are called such cause they are strong enough to "live like emperors" in the "New World," for for at least one or two of the Emperors that has to be because of their crews. After all, how do you "live like an emperor" on your own?
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If Shanks with BOTH arms couldn't beat Mihawk in the past, what makes people think he can beat him with one arm?
In terms of strength Mihawk is greater than Shanks.
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Mihawk is definitely better than Shanks in swordsmanship he is the best. Shanks could possibly be physically stronger, smarter or have other skills but Shanks is a swordsman that is supposed to be his greatest skill so if his best is not better than Mihawks best, im going to have to say Mihawk is greater
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Now, why does everyone cling to the fact that Shanks is defintely a swordsman? Even if Shanks has used a sword if doesn't mean that's the only way he fights. Don't be so limiting.
Although, it would leave room for Buggy to still be Shanks rival, like in that flashback.
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Now, why does everyone cling to the fact that Shanks is defintely a swordsman? Even if Shanks has used a sword if doesn't mean that's the only way he fights. Don't be so limiting.
Although, it would leave room for Buggy to still be Shanks rival, like in that flashback.
Because of the fact that Oda said he was a swordsman, when Shanks instantly saw Mihawk he challenged him for a match and he carries his long sword everywhere. That's a good indication don't you think?
Buggy indeed could be a rival to Shanks, in terms of power I don't know.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
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Because of the fact that Oda said he was a swordsman, when Shanks instantly saw Mihawk he challenged him for a match and he carries his long sword everywhere. That's a good indication don't you think?
Buggy indeed could be a rival to Shanks, in terms of power I don't know.
Maybe, which SBS is it from?
Anyway, if Shank is only a swordsman, then I'd be disappointed. It would mean that he'd most likely not be a serious threat as a fighter (in terms of "arc boss") but rather some sort of plot device. He'd get challenged by Zoro, causing more crew tension. Of course he'd own all the punk pirates along the way.
That's why I'm hoping that he has other ways to fight. If he's just a swordsman then he'd most likely be weaker then Mihawk.
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Maybe, which SBS is it from?
Anyway, if Shank is only a swordsman, then I'd be disappointed. It would mean that he'd most likely not be a serious threat as a fighter (in terms of "arc boss") but rather some sort of plot device. He'd get challenged by Zoro, causing more crew tension. Of course he'd own all the punk pirates along the way.
That's why I'm hoping that he has other ways to fight.
oda states it in the One Piece Red Data book!
What? are you suggesting that a Swordsman can't fight and defeat heavy hitters like Logia fruit users such as Aokiji? LOL!
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What do you mean just a swordsman!? Mihawk is one of the strongest guys in OP probably the only person who can beat him is Whitebeard. Look at Zoro he's on par with luffy and he's a swordsman.
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I mean that being "just a swordsman" limits him. First all of, I'm imagining some weird cool and out there style, but that's just me.
Second, being a swordsman I think limits his character to stuff related to Mihawk and Zoro. Zoro won't ignore Shanks if he's a swordsman.
Not that Oda can't surprise use though.
Though, I've considered the possibility that Shanks won't be as great a fighter as we think. After all, wouldn't one aspect of Luffy's flashback that, thanks to Shanks sacrifice, it's Luffy's fault for Shanks losing his strength?
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How does Shanks loosing an arm limit his strength? This is anime/manga he still could be just as strong with one arm like he was with two. He isn't an emperor for nothing.
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What we know about shanks we could write on the palm of our hands. Stating that he is stronger or weaker than any of the people among the three world powers is premature.
First I'ld like to point out that in their initial meeting, there was no fear of shanks from Mihawk. He didn't "know his place", also on the contrary there was no disgust from mihawk towards shanks. As far I can glean from the meeting, that was nothing more than playful jesting: banter between old friends and rivals.
Shanks loosing an arm doesn't mean that his powre has decreased, at all. This is not a mirror of real life. This it eh grand line where the improbable is more likely to be possible. It's silly to assume anything with such deffinitiveness when our knowledge base is so limited. Their strengh is all implied. People just tend to vote for Mihawk because we saw him own a much much weaker version of Zoro.
I'm willing to bet that shanks could have done the same.
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It was stated in an SBS somewhere that Shanks is a swordsman no? Or maybe that just means his primary weapon is a sword.
Well in that case, if
Mihawk = Strongest Swordsman and
Shanks = a Swordsman, then
Mihawk > ShanksBut that's only in personal strength. Shanks commands one of the strongest crews in the world. So what he he would lose to Mihawk? It's not like it makes Shanks any less powerful.
On the other hand, Shanks probably has many "tricks" that dont adhere to the conventionalism of sword duels. It's not uncommon among the "handicapped" to have tools that help them survive. For example, some kind of device or weapon attached to his left arm stump, I'm thinking of a projectile weapon myself, but any kind of weaponry will do. Even if it taints his image, I think Shanks is not afraid to get his hands dirty because deception is a big part of being a Pirate. There is a difference between pulling a cheap shot and deceiving your opponent. Shanks strikes me as the kind of guy who would take advantage of all weaknesses. For example letting an opponent to believe that his left arm is useless and then surprising him/her with an attack from the left. Something like that…
Anyway, just letting my imagination run loose here.... BS aside I think Hawkeyes could probably make good of his Greatest Swordman title, which means no other swordsman in the world can beat him.
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It was stated in an SBS somewhere that Shanks is a swordsman no? Or maybe that just means his primary weapon is a sword.
Well in that case, if
Mihawk = Strongest Swordsman and
Shanks = a Swordsman, then
Mihawk > ShanksJust two things. We know that he uses a sword, and we know that he in the past used to boast skills to the level of mihawk. (his level of skill with a sword now not confirmed.)
That means only that Mihawk is a better swordfighter that shanks. Not a better fighter. We have no way of knowing that Shanks is or is not a pure swordsman like Mihwk and Zoro. I seriously doubt that he is.
Now if I find out that I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but based on what we know, no accurate conclusions can be made.
great avatar btw Kibagami
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Your post baffles me… LOL!
Mihawk shows no "animosity" towards Shanks at all, that is a face of disgust and unintrest in fighting a "one-armed man." In the past Mihawk and Shanks fought frequently, Mihawk is now interested in Zoro.
Also.. The Admirals and Shichibukai do not need to team up to beat the four Emperors. All three powers of the grandline are balanced therefore equal.
That was a typo. I meant to say "No" animosity.
In any case, if the marines could handle the Yonkou by themselves, why would they create the Shichibukai in the first place? If Sengoku had held the same meeting and called the Yonkou instead of the Shichibukai to MArijoi, how many do you think would have shown up? Zero. They would've laughed at him for even suggesting it. I mean, Shanks and his crew single-handedly busted through a Blockade to reach Whitebeard. I doubt that Whitebeard or his crew even lifted a finger to help.
I doubt Shanks uses his sword to fight anymore, considering his sword arm was eaten. And appearances are always decieving. I mean, Beckman doesn't use his gun as a weapon, he uses it as a baseball bat. And when he was first introduced, did you really think he was the smartest man in the world? For Shanks to have the world's best sniper, the world's smartest man, and the world's fastest man (supposedly) and he be the captain still says volumes about his strength.
Mihawk is strong. I don't doubt that. But in the Shonen World, your strength is measured by the guys below you. And considering Shanks subordinates, he's gotta be god.
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Mihawk = Strongest Swordsman and
Shanks = a Swordsman, then
Mihawk > ShanksSeeing as how Oda himself basically provides this information, I think it's safe to assume that yes, Mihawk is even stronger than Shanks. Or at least, that's certianly the stronger argument until we get more information.
Somebody can certainly take the opposite stance, but that's based on more personal opinion and "wants" than on any evidence, and in spite of the evidence, we've been given.
Shank's crew is far more than just Shanks. Mihawk may be greater than Shanks, it doesn't matter. Shanks has the resources of one of the Yonkou at his fingertips, Mihawk has a coffin.
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Hahaha well put Odlam. Well put
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That was a typo. I meant to say "No" animosity.
In any case, if the marines could handle the Yonkou by themselves, why would they create the Shichibukai in the first place? If Sengoku had held the same meeting and called the Yonkou instead of the Shichibukai to MArijoi, how many do you think would have shown up? Zero. They would've laughed at him for even suggesting it. I mean, Shanks and his crew single-handedly busted through a Blockade to reach Whitebeard. I doubt that Whitebeard or his crew even lifted a finger to help.
Wow, give Shanks a cookie for busting through a bunch of punk marines, Obviously the Government created the Shichibuaki for more power, As you can see The shichibukai and the marines don't get along, anyone remember Doflamingo/SenGoku. It was stated that the three powers of the world are the Shichibukai, Admirals, Four Emperors which means all equal.
I doubt Shanks uses his sword to fight anymore, considering his sword arm was eaten. And appearances are always decieving. I mean, Beckman doesn't use his gun as a weapon, he uses it as a baseball bat. And when he was first introduced, did you really think he was the smartest man in the world? For Shanks to have the world's best sniper, the world's smartest man, and the world's fastest man (supposedly) and he be the captain still says volumes about his strength.
Yeah, Oda states that Shanks is a swordsman, and it is obvious because he carries his sword around everywhere he goes.
Mihawk is strong. I don't doubt that. But in the Shonen World, your strength is measured by the guys below you. And considering Shanks subordinates, he's gotta be god.
Bwhahahahahahaha! "Shanks is God?" Please you are talking about a guy who got his arm bit off by a water snake, or how about how he couldn't beat Mihawk for God sakes. If Mihawk is greater than Shanks in terms of power that means Mihawk can knock the stuffing out of his crew as well. Oh by the way you ever heard of Whitebeard?
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
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I don't think anyone suggested that Mihawk can take Shank's entire crew. That's a little bit crazy.
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I meant he can smack each crew member individually!!!
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
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I still say Mihawk is stronger, and will believe that until its proven otherwise.
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Shanks is a Yonkou said to be equal to Whitebeard. Mihawk may be the greatest swordsman, but right now Shanks is the greatest pirate in the world (tied with the 3 other Yonkou).
Mihawk said it himself, The Greatest Pirate > The Best Swordsman.
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People are looking too much into that Shanks carry a sword. Most pirates carry swords and knives with them. Also most of Shank's crew had a sword and a gun near them.
They are just weapons.
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People are so deadset on believing that shanks ONLY uses his sword when he fights. The only thing that we do know is that he's not as good a swordsman as Mihawk. He has "matches" aparently with him. Meaning contests with rules, ie swords only.
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Wow, give Shanks a cookie for busting through a bunch of punk marines, Obviously the Government created the Shichibuaki for more power, As you can see The shichibukai and the marines don't get along, anyone remember Doflamingo/SenGoku. It was stated that the three powers of the world are the Shichibukai, Admirals, Four Emperors which means all equal.
Okay, dude, the closer we've gotten to the New World, the stronger we've seen in contingent forces, with a few exceptions. By that example, the closer to Raftel we get, the stronger and more massive the Marine forces we're going to see. The Gorosei themselves were shocked that the blockade was broken, meaning it was probably a damn big force seperating the two pirates.
Yeah, Oda states that Shanks is a swordsman, and it is obvious because he carries his sword around everywhere he goes.
Okay, and I suppose he has a phantom limb to control said sword? He's left handed and his left arm is gone. His sword is on his right hip, meaning that he's not exactly using it with his right hand. It's just an archetypical thing for pirates to carry swords and guns around.
Bwhahahahahahaha! "Shanks is God?" Please you are talking about a guy who got his arm bit off by a water snake, or how about how he couldn't beat Mihawk for God sakes. If Mihawk is greater than Shanks in terms of power that means Mihawk can knock the stuffing out of his crew as well. Oh by the way you ever heard of Whitebeard?
Okay, Shanks became a Yonkou AFTER losing his arm. Plus, not only that, Garp himself said that Shanks was on an EQUAL level with Whitebeard. Yes, I've heard of Whitebeard, but all the Yonkou are basically equal with him. Garp said that the POWERS are equal, not the individuals.
So what does that mean?
4 Emperors are as powerful as 7 Privateers are as powerful as an entire Naval Fleet.What does that say? Whitebeard, Shanks, and the two mystery guys are as powerful as 20,000 other people. Yeah…
Second, you obviously don't understand Shonen Logic. The leader is always the strongest in the Shonen World. Period. I don't care if you're reading Hikaru No Go. At some point, the leader of every group always becomes the strongest. I mean, look at your signature. DBZ is a prime example. Cell was the leader of the Androids. STrongest. Freezer was leader of his own forces, and was way stronger than any of them. Vegeta was the leader of the Saiyans attacking Earth. Strongest opponent.
DBZ is a bad example though. No strategy. All they do is train for 100,000 hours until they can beat their opponent with their penis in SSJ3.
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Waits for someone to remind everyone that Oda said, Shanks is no weaker due to losing an arm.
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Shanks is a Yonkou said to be equal to Whitebeard. Mihawk may be the greatest swordsman, but right now Shanks is the greatest pirate in the world (tied with the 3 other Yonkou).
Mihawk said it himself, The Greatest Pirate > The Best Swordsman.
They aren't "all" equal to Whitebeard, but rather in his league of power. It's not like all the other members of the two forces are of equal power.
And Mihawk said that becoming the Pirate king would be more difficult then beating him. That means getting One Piece, which Whitebeard has not yet done.
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I think Shanks still uses his sword. But in a way were he uses martial arts too.
Shanks, even though was having a hang over, didn 't much care for a fight with Mihawk.
And Mihawk didn't come for a fight. But then again Mihawk is one who accepts challenges rather then give them out. Unless it's for his job.This tells me that they can still be on equal ground. Mihawk says the whole One armed thing because he most likely didn't feel like fighting, or litterally felt it was boring to fight a one armed man. I've always felt Mihawk to be stronger then Shanks. But now that the whole Yokan thing was introduced to us, I have second thoughts.
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I think this thread should be merged with the "Shanks' fighting style" thread. It's basically the content applied to two topics.
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Mihawk-The worlds best swordsman says it numerous times in the manga
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Please someone explain this quote to me. When I read it, all I see is Oda saying that they were rivals and Shanks had top class skills. I don't know if I've misinterpreted the wording of it, but someone or some people seem to think Oda said Mihawk was more powerful.
in the red data book:
_本来左ききであるシャンクスはかつて、右の腰に長剣を携えていた。 ミホークとライバルだった過去からみて も、その剣の実力は世界でもトップクラスだ ったのだろう"At first, the left-handed Shanks had simply carried his sword on the right side. When he was a rival of Mihawk, he was regarded as having some of the world's top-class skills"
I don't know how anybody else interprets this, but what I got from that translation is that the most we can possibly infer regarding Shanks and Mihawk's rivalry is that they were equals. While we can say that Shanks couldn't beat the "World's greatest" we can also say with the same confidence that Mihawk too was unable to best Shanks.
There is something else that strikes me as curious about that translation. Although it is only a section of that translation it seems as if it is implying that Shanks was such a skilled Swordsman that he often used his off hand to fight. A little reminiscent of the Princess Bride with the swordman looking to show up opponents with their weak hand or at least keep the fight interesting for themself.
If that were the case with Shanks, then Mihawk having no interest in fighting the one armed Shanks could have some deeper significance to it. Like Zoro said to Kuina being able to defeat your opponent only to have the victory tarnished by whatever would only hurt his pride as a swordsman. Imagine Mihawk always trying to defeat Shanks' right hand so he could finally challenge and defeat themore skilled left hand. Being able to defeat the one armed man would only leave a sour taste in Mihawk's mouth knowing that the greater challenge was in his opponents other arm._
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Hmm… Lets put anther concept in front of everyone.
Even if Shanks was the better swordsman... Mihawk wouldn't fight him. I imagine a lot of swordsman will also take Mihawk's stance. If Shanks can find anyone to fight at his level, how can he prove how strong he is. Its difficult to compare Shanks' strength agains tother swordsmen when they won't fight him because of his handicap.
Even if it turned out Shanks was the stronger swordsman there is no way he can prove it unless he fights someone to prove it. :/
probaberly explained this badly, I'm sick right now so can't think straight.
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If Shanks was truly the stronger Swordsman, Mihawk would be beating down his door to challenge him.
My impression of Mihawk from the Zoro confrontation was this confidence in being the best was absolute. Even if the margin is small between Shanks and Mihawk, it's still large enough to be recognized with Mihawk the superior.
When he was a rival of Mihawk, he was regarded as having some of the world's top-class skills"
Shanks has "some of the world's top-class skills" - Mihawk is the top, bar none. Shanks may be the #2 swordsman in the world even, but he's not the top. We have both this statement and repeated statements about Mihawk being the #1 swordsman, disputing it is just beating your head into a wall.
Oda says it, so don't argue with it. He says Shanks is a swordsman, and he says that Mihawk is the strongest swordsman. If the quote was "Shanks is the strongest swordsman in the world" we would not be having this coversation.
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People are looking too much into that Shanks carry a sword. Most pirates carry swords and knives with them.
and most use them ^_^
Okay, dude, the closer we've gotten to the New World, the stronger we've seen in contingent forces, with a few exceptions. By that example, the closer to Raftel we get, the stronger and more massive the Marine forces we're going to see. The Gorosei themselves were shocked that the blockade was broken, meaning it was probably a damn big force seperating the two pirates.
the strawhat pirates just got away from a buster call and Shanks just ran through the blockade he didnt trash an entire fleet. (or atleast that what i got out of it)
So what does that mean?
4 Emperors are as powerful as 7 Privateers are as powerful as an entire Naval Fleet.What does that say? Whitebeard, Shanks, and the two mystery guys are as powerful as 20,000 other people. Yeah…
whitebeard and shanks have underlings too.
Oda says it, so don't argue with it.
holla
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Okay, dude, the closer we've gotten to the New World, the stronger we've seen in contingent forces, with a few exceptions. By that example, the closer to Raftel we get, the stronger and more massive the Marine forces we're going to see. The Gorosei themselves were shocked that the blockade was broken, meaning it was probably a damn big force seperating the two pirates.
So..and? you act as if they sent Red Dog or Yellow Monkey along with the blockade. Well guess what they didn't…..
Okay, and I suppose he has a phantom limb to control said sword? He's left handed and his left arm is gone. His sword is on his right hip, meaning that he's not exactly using it with his right hand. It's just an archetypical thing for pirates to carry swords and guns around.
So why can't Shanks train himself to use his right hand for swordsmanship? You think a guy is automatically going to change is fighting style at something he is so great at?:wassat: Oda states that he is a swordsman and he carries his sword around still to this day.
Okay, Shanks became a Yonkou AFTER losing his arm. Plus, not only that, Garp himself said that Shanks was on an EQUAL level with Whitebeard. Yes, I've heard of Whitebeard, but all the Yonkou are basically equal with him. Garp said that the POWERS are equal, not the individuals.
So what does that mean?
4 Emperors are as powerful as 7 Privateers are as powerful as an entire Naval Fleet.What does that say? Whitebeard, Shanks, and the two mystery guys are as powerful as 20,000 other people. Yeah…
Second, you obviously don't understand Shonen Logic. The leader is always the strongest in the Shonen World. Period. I don't care if you're reading Hikaru No Go. At some point, the leader of every group always becomes the strongest. I mean, look at your signature. DBZ is a prime example. Cell was the leader of the Androids. STrongest. Freezer was leader of his own forces, and was way stronger than any of them. Vegeta was the leader of the Saiyans attacking Earth. Strongest opponent.
DBZ is a bad example though. No strategy. All they do is train for 100,000 hours until they can beat their opponent with their penis in SSJ3.
First of all Garp said that Four Emperors are at the level of 'Whitebeard,' that doesn't mean they are as strong as Whitebeard beacause it has already been stated that Whitebeard is the "strongest man in the world." Also if Shanks couldn't beat Mihawk in their fights that puts Mihawk right behind Whitebeard in terms of strength.
Second of all you forget that the four emoerors have the STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD on their side! that is a big reason why they are equal to the Shicibukai and Admirals in power.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
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So..and? you act as if they sent Red Dog or Yellow Monkey along with the blockade. Well guess what they didn't…..
Well, do you think the World Government sent a weak blockade? Sure, probably no Admirals were there, but still, that'd be just stupid to not have a strong blockade for the strongest in the world.
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Well, you sent a bunch of marines to try and block some powerful pirates. Luffy mashed through a blockade not too long ago, that is not impressive unless any big names were in the blockade.
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If Shanks was truly the stronger Swordsman, Mihawk would be beating down his door to challenge him.
My impression of Mihawk from the Zoro confrontation was this confidence in being the best was absolute. Even if the margin is small between Shanks and Mihawk, it's still large enough to be recognized with Mihawk the superior.
When he was a rival of Mihawk, he was regarded as having some of the world's top-class skills"
Shanks has "some of the world's top-class skills" - Mihawk is the top, bar none. Shanks may be the #2 swordsman in the world even, but he's not the top. We have both this statement and repeated statements about Mihawk being the #1 swordsman, disputing it is just beating your head into a wall.
Oda says it, so don't argue with it. He says Shanks is a swordsman, and he says that Mihawk is the strongest swordsman. If the quote was "Shanks is the strongest swordsman in the world" we would not be having this coversation.
Odlam, This is nothing but the truth, so lord help me….
Orange I liked your post too, because it speaks common sense.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
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We're not arguing that Mihawk isn't a better swordsman. Oda stated that much.
Shanks is more than just a swordsman, though. He's a Yonkou with a crew of about 50 men. All of them are very capable men, especially Beckman, Roo, and Yasopp. Beckman is the smartest man in the world, Yassop is one of the best snipers in the world, and Roo is supposedly the fastest.
Mihawk is a loner. That much is obvious, and it's not just because he's a Shichibukai. Even Doflamingo was surprised he showed up at the meeting. Instead of respecting him, People fear him. Even Shanks' crew was about to shit themselves. The guy's just creepy.
Shanks has qualities that Mihawk lacks. Shanks is more than just a swordsman. From what we've seen, Mihawk is ONLY a swordsman and a Shichibukai. No crew, nothing done except sailing around and busting up fleets (Like Krieg's). Mihawk is a loner, Shanks is a leader. In relative terms, Shanks is "greater". Not a greater swordsman, but a greater pirate captain.
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People crap on themselves when they see Mihawk because it is obvious the man defines power and has a dangerous reputation.
Also who cares if he is a loner that just makes him more bad ass than what he already is. We don't know what crew he is from or was previously captain of his past is unknown right now, for all we know he could of been apart of Gold Roger's crew (speculation).
I agree that Shanks has more charisma and is a better pirate than Mihawk.
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Maybe its just me but when the Red data book says
"When he was a rival of Mihawk, he was regarded as having some of the world's top-class skills" I think its saying shanks is a jack of all trades. I believe that the line means shanks has top skills in different areas, like he could have great markmanship, amazing swordsmanship and but he is not the best at those fields. For instance Mihawk would most likely beat him in a Sword fight. But I think If they fought for real (like no rules anything goes) the jack of all trades is usually better than the master of one . But this of course is pure speculation/opinion on my part. After all we are yet to see these "top dogs" in action, all I know of shanks is he has red hair, drinks, one arm, and gives a real good glare when the need arises.
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@Frokat:
Maybe its just me but when the Red data book says
Sword fight. But I think If they fought for real (like no rules anything goes) the jack of all trades is usually better than the master of one . But this of course is pure speculation/opinion on my part. After all we are yet to see these "top dogs" in action, all I know of shanks is he has red hair, drinks, one arm, and gives a real good glare when the need arises.
HIS ONLY TRADE IS SWORD FIGHTING :getlost:
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I don't think it was ever stated that Shanks was a swordman, just that he was a guy who uses a sword.
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HIS ONLY TRADE IS SWORD FIGHTING :getlost:
Uh, no it's not. You haven't been reading One Piece at all. He's a captain, a leader, a trustworthy friend, and one of the four Yonkou. Swordsmanship wise, Mihawk would beat him. But Shanks is a greater pirate.
