At this point, there would be a 1000 chapters left

akatsuki_the_devil

This is my first thread, I hope it fits and will not be insulted :getlost:

OK, I am frustrated that after 400+ chapters, Luffy is still not strong enough to become the pirate king. At that point, I would think that ODA would have made luffy strong enough to fight against anybody and maybe have a chance to win. But this is obviously not the case. Look at the ennemies, Garp and Aokiji could probably beat Luffy with one punch right now without even trying… Maybe you would prove me wrong by saying, that Luffy's strengh is not about him but his crew... but even in this case, his crew is not as strong as the emperor or the vice admirals.

So, how do you think ODA will manage to finish one piece in less than a 1000 chapters if he keeps bringing up some super strong guys? Do you guys think he might do a fast forward thing like Dragon Ball?:wassat:

PS: I love One Piece and would not mind if I still read it in 5 years, it's just that I am curious on how Luffy and his crew are going to beat/match all these strong opponents…

AD-HD Pirate

But nothing doesn´t force luffy bet up all dudes in One Piece.
That would be just stupid.

Darkestsith6

I don't know why, but why do I feel like I'm the only one who thinks Luffy is above a VA level? I don't think Garp is a good character to base Luffy's skill level, since Luffy is not being serious with him at all. I'm sure he is strong, but nothing has shown me why Luffy at Gear 2 or 3 could not take out Garp, who just appears to be a powerhouse.

The other VA's we recently saw did nothing really, and that was a bit of a disappointment, but if they were at or above Luffy's level, they should have just attacked on their own and wiped out the crew.

And of the other VA's we saw in Robin's flashback, we know two went on to be Admirals, so they are not the usual VA level strength. They were just in the process of climbing the ladder of the navy hierarchy.

akatsuki_the_devil

Luffy doesn't have to beat everyone, but he at least needs to match them in terms of skills and strength. I don't think ODA will make luffy avoid all the strong opponents before arriving at the end of grand line.
Luffy might or might not be above the VA level. But look how he lost against Aokiji. I cannot imagine if there are 2 other dude of Aokiji's level… And he also mentioned that Garp could kill Sanji, Zoro... with only one punch (or something like that)

@Darkestsith6:

I don't know why, but why do I feel like I'm the only one who thinks Luffy is above a VA level? I don't think Garp is a good character to base Luffy's skill level, since Luffy is not being serious with him at all. I'm sure he is strong, but nothing has shown me why Luffy at Gear 2 or 3 could not take out Garp, who just appears to be a powerhouse.

The other VA's we recently saw did nothing really, and that was a bit of a disappointment, but if they were at or above Luffy's level, they should have just attacked on their own and wiped out the crew.

And of the other VA's we saw in Robin's flashback, we know two went on to be Admirals, so they are not the usual VA level strength. They were just in the process of climbing the ladder of the navy hierarchy.

Yoyoi_kumadori

@akatsuki_the_devil:

Luffy might or might not be above the VA level. But look how he lost against Aokiji. I cannot imagine if there are 2 other dude of Aokiji's level… And he also mentioned that Garp could kill Sanji, Zoro... with only one punch (or something like that)

when did he say that? i think ive missed it…ODA has prolly already thought of that, but Luffy and the crew will grow even stronger, especially when theyve realised for real that it´s getting more and more serious from now on. I myself stopped reading DB when i got to like vol 15 because i didn´t like it, you can´t possibly compare DB with One Piece, they are completely different levels.

Aldrich

That's actually one of the interesting stuff of OP: the heroes are just insignificant bugs in a huge world filled with people who could likely squash them like cockroaches if they had to fight them all. Which is why, even if the Strawhats are strong, they also needed, and will obviouly need in the future, a ridiculous amount of luck to escape alive and reach their goals. You just have to remember Luffy could have been caught by 3 different Marine officers the crew was helpless against, but everytime they had that bit of luck that saved them.

That's far more interesting than DBZ-like progress, where the main guy beats an opponent, then the following one is more powerful, and the following even more etc…

Sofia Alexandra

I'm not really sure if Aokiji could still beat Luffy, seeing as he developed Gear 2, which makes his body hot, after meeting Aokiji and his ice.

MAcobo

In my option, oda did not plan to do the Skypea and W7 arcs.
They haven't had such an great inpact on the storyline, just showing some char. development and growing of the power. Notice how the recent chapters seem to pick up from where we parted after Jaya.

Whitebeards and Shanks meeting, Dragon, etc.
Also, the recent developments show, that since SH left Alabasta, not much time has been lost (shanks and Whitebeards meeting). But, look just how much the SH have gotten stronger in that little time.

PS: Sorry if it didn't make any sense. Little sleepy atm.

Gokou Ruffy

Luffy sees his Garndpa as a child not as a pirate captain. He doesn't fight back to Garp because he is his grampy, its not a fair fight so. Luffy is now on the level of a VA or higher I think. Some people say its unreal for Luffy to be that stronger in this short time period, on the other hand its very unreal when he arrives Raftel when he is just a normal little pirate who found the OP out of nowhere. IMO next bounty will be very interesting

akatsuki_the_devil

@Yoyoi_kumadori:

when did he say that? i think ive missed it…ODA has prolly already thought of that, but Luffy and the crew will grow even stronger, especially when theyve realised for real that it´s getting more and more serious from now on. I myself stopped reading DB when i got to like vol 15 because i didn´t like it, you can´t possibly compare DB with One Piece, they are completely different levels.

Well, Luffy says "don't attack him,you'll be killed" I don't know if the translation is accurate but I don't think Luffy overstimate his Granpa.

I know that DB and One piece are different, duh! What I try to compare Db from One piece is only to get an idea of the fast forward thing… Anyway, I don't think it is possible because it wouldnt take 10 years for luffy to reach the end of grand line at that pace. But I think it might take him 10 years to be able to match the 4 emperor and most of the marines.

Do you really think that the steam will make the ice melt?

Jounin7

I see him doing something that will make his DF like evolve or something

Darkariel

Well Luffy's prespective on Garp is mostly part of the trauma Garp put him through with the training he gave him

So Luffy is really scared, that's probably why he said "He'll kill you" to Sanji and Zoro

But he and the other strawhats (stronger ones) would probably be able to make Garp eat dust

The other VA's well didn't see much from them so not much to say

The Admirals are probably stronger since they're all same at the level of strenght (or at least I think so)

The 4 Great Pirates well Luffy doesn't have to fight them all, I don't think Luffy will fight Shanks and will probably just have a small fight with WhiteBeard to make him remember Gol D. Roger

But it's still to soon to predicted anything about this

Greg

They haven't had such an great inpact on the storyline, just showing some char. development and growing of the power.

This I strongly disagree with. When we learn more about ancient history, Shandia is going to be INSANELY important.

As far as 1000 chapters. Yeah right. Oda wouldn't even want to be writing the story by then. Not to mention I think his readers would be sick of it. The story is what? Not even 500 and it's already almost a decade old? 20 years of the same story when he has so many other ideas floating around?

There are countless ways to improve upon Luffy and the gang in a short time and as many of us seem to agree from discussion in the Final Battle thread, there's no way in Hell Luffy is going to take on every single villain introduced himself.

joekido the Second

@Greg:

This I strongly disagree with. When we learn more about ancient history, Shandia is going to be INSANELY important.

As far as 1000 chapters. Yeah right. Oda wouldn't even want to be writing the story by then. Not to mention I think his readers would be sick of it. The story is what? Not even 500 and it's already almost a decade old? 20 years of the same story when he has so many other ideas floating around?

There are countless ways to improve upon Luffy and the gang in a short time and as many of us seem to agree from discussion in the Final Battle thread, there's no way in Hell Luffy is going to take on every single villain introduced himself.

Kiocha Kame's been around for 30 years and has the reader gotten sick of it?

Jounin7

@Darkariel:

But he and the other strawhats (stronger ones) would probably be able to make Garp eat dust

For some reason I highly doubt that… I dont think we have seen any of garps powers yet.. I mean look how fast he totally transformed coby and helmempo.. Not only that but we know he at least knows "soru"...

You cant just make a man who cornered the Pirate King himself and make him eat dust so easily..

so basically Garp would whoop on them

dlo62282

I wouldnt be suprised if One piece ended around 800 chapters or so. This story has alot going on and so many things to do and set straight.

I sort of thought the whole sky island arc was pointless, but the water 7 and enies lobby arc have a huge affect on the overall story. This made the strawhats into a bigger threat by anything they have ever done. The Robin flashback was very important to the overall story.

Overtaker

imho the manga won't end up with luffy fighting each of the shicibukai and 4 emperors one by one
probably there'll be some scene where he joined force with someone and fight a battle royale

Ivotas

I found 1000 chapters a bit much to still be coming. However I wouldn´t be surprised if we would be in for 500 more chapters. It´s not really a quality argument but I just feel that it would be arkward if the new ship will stay around for less time then Merry. I mean the all the fuzz about the new ship goes on ever since it was clear that Merry won´t be the Strawhats ship anymore and right now it is even hyped at the dream ship that will be unlike any other one. It just would be a bit arkward if it doesn´t go through as many adventures as Merry. Just a personal feeling.

On the opponent thing I have to say that the number of them doesn´t matter. If Luffy is really going to become the Pirate King then it means that not only him but also his crew has to become stronger. The further the story progresses the more should Zoro and Sanji at least proceed to the level where they can take down a Shichibukai (for Zoro it is even a set goal). And if some of the Shichibukai work together then it isn´t even necessary that each gets his own arc. Same goes for Admirals, Vice Admirals and the Yonkoh.

why does everyone underestimate Garp. who would know better than the man's grandson of what the man is capable off. luffy isnt the type to beat around the bush either, if he didnt want to Zoro and Sanji to fight him because he's his grandpa he'd say so. they all so that his sleeping problem is the only keeping him back, and hes pretty old to still be VA. he obviously has to have sumthin up his sleeve.

(ive gotta stop goin off on these tangents or im gonna get banned)

Cap'n Carter

@joekido:

Kiocha Kame's been around for 30 years and has the reader gotten sick of it?

The difference is that Kochi Kame is a gag manga and doesn't really have any running story. Each chapter, as far as I can tell, is episodic and self-contained. Meaning that Ryotsu doesn't go on any huge adventures warranting a giant story arc.

So yeah, two different animals.

Yoyoi_kumadori

well didn´t Oda say the manga is going to be atleast 1000 chapters? I thought i heard it somewhere…

Elfu

Hell!!! In truth he is waiting his son to be born soon and the legacy of one piece will continue for generations!!!!! XPP thinking in myself very very veryt old and all straw hat crew with mustachoes NAMI!? IS IT YOU??? *die of heart atack *