Ace & Blackbeard (And some other stuff)

[Buuhan1]

I was just thinking, as we all know Ace is currently hunting down Blackbeard for killing a nakama. However even tho looking too deep into things isn't something which you should always do I don't think we look into this certain topic ENOUGH.

As you all are aware, both Ace & Blackbeard carry the name of D. Now, I'm not sure how pirate order works but I always found it slightly strange that Whitebeard sent out his commander of his second division souly to hunt down and take care of him.

Then I got to thinking…perhaps Ace is tracking him down for his own reasons? I'm aware not all D's are related (as far as we know as of yet, the only Ds we don't know for sure that are related are Blackbeard, and of course, Roger) but perhaps theres something between Ace & Blackbeard even if good friends. We are all puzzled at Ace's first name not being Monkey as well.

If not then I just got to thinking again...perhaps Blackbeard killing his own nakama was a roose, as we all know Whitebeard is a yonkou and Shanks and him are plotting something or at least trying to.

The Will of D is mysterious to all of us still, but perhaps Shanks & Whitebeard has had something in mind all along. Now this is pushing it but Whitebeard had two Ds in his possession as it was, when one got away he used the only weapon he had to get it back, another D.

We all along looked at Shanks giving Luffy his hat as a sign of affection, but maybe he did it cause he saw the potential in the young D and that he'd grow up strong and find him to return his hat. Yeah, yeah, if Shanks needed Luffy he'd find him without any problem. I know I'm not making a lot of sense and I'm just throwing stuff out there but I just feel theres a lot more to this.

I guess theres still too much left unknown.

[Mister_Anbu]

Whitebeard is planting Blackbeard as a spy in the world government. Ace is sent on a recon mission to assist blackbeard, or perhaps find information. If it's important, it could go as far as Ace just pretending to hunt him to make the marines think Blackbeard truly did betray them.

I don't see the D's as weapons, but you never know I suppose.

[Buuhan1]

But if used right they can be. The Ds have a great Will and strength and if they are led to believe one thing they will take down the other.

[ladytanaka]

@Buuhan1:

As you all are aware, both Ace & Blackbeard carry the name of D. Now, I'm not sure how pirate order works but I always found it slightly strange that Whitebeard sent out his commander of his second division souly to hunt down and take care of him.

Then I got to thinking…perhaps Ace is tracking him down for his own reasons?

I don't think there's any evidence to suggest that Whitebeard ordered Ace to go after Blackbeard. I was under the impression that Ace is doing this mostly on his own initiative – as Blackbeard's superior, it's his responsibility to keep his subordinates in order. So when Blackbeard commits a heinous crime against the pirate code (i.e., killing his crewmates), Ace apparently feels that it's HIS responsibility to clean up the problem, in the way one might put a mad dog or a rogue animal out of its misery.

And there's no evidence that Blackbeard was anything more than just another subordinate to Ace.

Then again, I could be wrong.

@Buuhan1:

We all along looked at Shanks giving Luffy his hat as a sign of affection, but maybe he did it cause he saw the potential in the young D and that he'd grow up strong and find him to return his hat.

Now that we know that Shanks is one of the Four Emperors, I think it's quite plausible that Shanks had an ulterior motive and secret agenda for loitering around Luffy's home island for a year or more. I suspect that it's possible that Shanks was there to check out Garp's grandson and find out whether Luffy had the guts and determination to be extraordinary (i.e., to be someone worthy of being a D). And once he decides that Luffy does have that driving determination to make himself stronger, Shanks leaves.

[Jounin7]

thats a good theory.. except mabye for the shanks seeing potential..

My actual theory/idea is that Ace more or less volunteered to hunt down blackbeard cause Ace knows something abuot him or is related to him?? Because they both carry the D mabye Ace had something in mind..

Something I wonder is if blackbeards crew is all from whitebeards or if he put it together himself??

And I think that all Ds are related its just that some were never told about others, such as luffy might not know blackbeard cause they never got together or something like that.. Its just they never met or heard of one another before but are still related one way or another.. Thats something I wish garp or someone with the knowledge will talk about

[Buuhan1]

Yeah, I know theres no proof Ace went on orders. But hes the commander of the second division…quite a important job. I'd think Whitebeard would at least had a say in the matter.

[Jounin7]

I agree especially since Buggy enlightened us by saying " never mess with a WB pirate, cause WB will get his revenge" or something like that.. And blackbeard killing a crew member would probably tick off WB enough to send ace for him..

[Buuhan1]

But rather Whitebeard sent Ace or not isn't the topic, but rather it not being that simple.

[ladytanaka]

@Jounin7:

I agree especially since Buggy enlightened us by saying " never mess with a WB pirate, cause WB will get his revenge" or something like that.. And blackbeard killing a crew member would probably tick off WB enough to send ace for him..

Well, Blackbeard didn't just kill one crew member. He killed off his own entire crew, IIRC. :getlost: That would definitely make him a good candidate for 'dead meat', at least in Ace's (and probably Whitebeard's) eyes.

[Buuhan1]

I thought he only killed one…

[ru-debega]

@ladytanaka:

Well, Blackbeard didn't just kill one crew member. He killed off his own entire crew, IIRC. :getlost: That would definitely make him a good candidate for 'dead meat', at least in Ace's (and probably Whitebeard's) eyes.

Did Blackbeard kill his whole crew? I've seen that line Ace says translated a bunch of different ways; but all he says in Japanese is that he killed his crewmate(s), the word he used could be singular or plural. (Japanese grammar is frustratingly vague about such things.) I don't think it's really clear if he killed one person or a dozen yet.

I'm intrigued by the idea that the Blackbeard-Ace thing is a front to get a spy into the WG; it's an interesting theory for sure. What I want to know is how much about the "Will of D." do Ace and Blackbeard know? Luffy doesn't know anything, but then again, we all know Luffy isn't the most ahem observant person. So it seems to me that (especially with Ace's "come to the top" comment back in Alabasta) Ace would know more about the "Will of D." than his brother.

[ladytanaka]

@ru-debega:

Did Blackbeard kill his whole crew? I've seen that line Ace says translated a bunch of different ways; but all he says in Japanese is that he killed his crewmate(s), the word he used could be singular or plural. (Japanese grammar is frustratingly vague about such things.) I don't think it's really clear if he killed one person or a dozen yet.

But Ace is a fairly important person, as various people have pointed out, so I'm doubtful that he would pursue Blackbeard over the death of just one crew member. That can hardly be that uncommon or shocking, given that we're dealing with pirates. I really can't see a pirate commander of Ace's level chasing after every guy who happens to kill a fellow pirate over what could very easily be a private quarrel over trivial matters (e.g., money, women, spitting at the wrong time, etc.)

A whole shipful of dead crew members… well, that's a completely different level of crime, one that would understandably call for the attention of one of Whitebeard's division commanders.

[gnomey]

you all missed the important point:
if whitebeard DID send ace, that is more of an indication of blackbeard's strength than anything else.

[Kaze]

He sent his 2nd commander because Black Beard had more than 5 strong people with him that none of his other fellow pirates could kill, except ofcourse himself.

[ru-debega]

@ladytanaka:

But Ace is a fairly important person, as various people have pointed out, so I'm doubtful that he would pursue Blackbeard over the death of just one crew member. That can hardly be that uncommon or shocking, given that we're dealing with pirates. I really can't see a pirate commander of Ace's level chasing after every guy who happens to kill a fellow pirate over what could very easily be a private quarrel over trivial matters (e.g., money, women, spitting at the wrong time, etc.)

A whole shipful of dead crew members… well, that's a completely different level of crime, one that would understandably call for the attention of one of Whitebeard's division commanders.

Well, that would NORMALLY be true, but remember what Buggy said about Whitebeard? That he will "always, always avenge the death of a crewmember." With that being the captain's attitude, I think it's safe to assume that he'd treat the murder of one crewmate as seriously as the murder of multiple crewmembers.

Also remember that Ace holds Whitebeard in the highest regard; it's likely he shares his captain's philosophies. So whether or not Whitebeard specifically sent him, the number of crew killed is still uncertain.

Further, killing another crewmate over a private matter (money, women) is different than killing a crewmate in the process of betraying your captain, which is what Blackbeard did; that alone would be enough to send Ace after him, I think.

Personally, I think Ace is acting of his own initiative, but with Whitebeard's approval; I doubt he'd just abandon his position unless his Captain okayed it.

[MarcustheWu]

I thought that Ace mainly went after Blackbeard because he was a part of the fleet that was under Ace`s command.

[Ronin]

Blackbeard is Ace's father ::wut: Blackbeard knows about the will of D. One day, he decided that he need to do something: join the world Government as a spy. In other to do that, he recruited his own crewmates from Ace's fleet (since he is Ace's subordinate) and kill the rest of them. Ace is pissed, and since he has no crew left, he has to go after Blackbeard himself.
Since Ace and Luffy have different last names, I assume they are half brothers.
Or I could be wrong, just a theory.