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    • theinvisibleworm
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      Instead of perma-locking spoiler threads and then having members request to post, perhaps you could create a subsection for the spoiler threads where only members who you approve can post, and where their ability to post in the spoiler threads can be permanently revoked if they start problems.

      This way, literally everyone who's allowed to post in the spoiler thread (or hell, you could even make it so onlyt these people can view them in the first place, so that other members don't start problems elsewhere, if necessary) is going to be civil or they won't be there long, and since you have full control over who can post in there in the first place, it's likely you'll be able to choose well-behaved members from the get-go, who understand that it's a one strike you're out deal.

      If this isn't feasable due to the coding of the forum, etc, I understand. I would assume you can designate like, 'leader' members because some people are 'senior members' and their names are bolded instead of just normal blue. I don't know whether you can give them special posting privs or not but I imagine you could similarly to how you give moderators the ability to post in the moderator forum.

      Anyway this was just a thought, it'd probably be a lot less work for you then having to read every attempted message for the spoiler threads, and it'd still allow a free flow of posting in the spoiler threads.

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        We were trying to find a way to do that, but it would be complicated…the reason being that if there's a whole subforum for spoilers, people would start creating topics in the forum that had a spoiler in the title, and then those that don't want to be spoiled would be forced to see the topic titles.

        I guess it could be possible to create a subforum that is only allowed to have one topic- the spoiler thread, but it seems kind of waste of space.

        If someone has a better idea to make it work, feel free to share.

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          I quite liked the idea of keeping the spoiler thread locked myself, and keeping the discussion untill the chapter is actually released. As long as people don't put spoilers in other topics then its fine lol

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            Part of the reason I think it's almost better to have things locked for a couple days is that the spoiler topics are being treated as the actual chapter – that is to say there's not much juicy speculation in the actual chapter thread because it's already been discussed (until, of course, Greg comes in with a 'HOLY SHIT' when he reads it and then it gets somewhat on topic again 😆 ). So I kind of prefer it in a way, 'cause, well... I just do. Yeah.

            We did actually have that suggestion in the staff board, btw, but there's not a way to 'hide' the forum contents. I guess we could like make it a hidden thing (like the senior board. If you didn't know about it, well, now you do :p) but how to regulate that and make it fair for everyone to have a shot at seeing ? I'd hate to do like a MBA or... urrggghh that would be painful @_@

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            • captain usopp
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              I kind of thought it was a good comprimise, when I heard the spoiler was locked.

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              • theinvisibleworm
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                I honestly have very little issue with the spoiler topic being locked except for the fact that I noticed it has thus far seemed to stop discussion inside the topic completely, and I (probably along with many other members) enjoy it.

                The spoiler subforum would be similar to the translations sub forum, in my opinion. While only spoiler topics would be in it (one for each chapter) it would fill up pretty regularly as new spoilers came out for new chapters.

                Still, if it would be a lot of work determining who could be in it etc, I guess it's not the best of ideas. I just assumed that was easier for you guys than literally having to approve or reject every post in the spoiler topic. If not, don't worry about it as it was just a suggestion.

                To make it fair you could have a sticky in the regular manga forum or wherever you chose explaining how people could request access to it, and how it's a one strike you're out deal. You could immediately approve several people who don't cause trouble in the subforum, like BattleFranky and many of the spoiler regulars without waiting for the pm, etc, this reduces the amount of request pms you'll get.

                I imagine that once you get it set up it won't be too much work because the policy would be absolute and literally all the baddies would be eliminated in short notice, leaving you with a very clean, rational spoiler topic discussion. I just figured it would improve the quality of the spoiler threads to such a point as to make them worthwhile.

                I definitely try to speculate about the chapter from the spoiler thread, that's part of the fun of it, if you guys are against that then I guess I have the wrong motivations but I honestly don't see the harm (except for the people who go "I'M QUITTING ONE PIECE OMG" and such, who'd be non-existent in there anyway). I think that for the reasons you outlined a hidden forum is the best way to go, except the existence of it wouldn't be a secret, it's just that if you don't want to you don't see the spoiler stuff at all.

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                • Cap'n Carter
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                  When new spoiler information is found, how will it get posted?

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                    you pm a mod and they'll let you post it I think, or they'll post it and credit yer.

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                      I'm fine with the topics being locked. All I ever found the spoiler threads good for was reading the spoiler to begin with, why post? I feel this is best, cause most of the time half or more of the bitching is rid of when people actually read the chapter.

                      So yeah, all posting should be saved till the chapter releases. Its more civilized that way.

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                      • CosmicDebris
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                        Does anyone really, vehemently object to the spoilers being locked and can give some good reasons why it should not be?

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                          well, i think the idea is good in theory, invisible worm, but thinking ahead to when they start banning people from posting in it; I can see a lot of bitching to the mods, about why they banned the person, and oh, they're not being fair, oh, they're too harsh, oh, well you let this comment slide, but not mine. It will just start more fights and arguments. More work for the mods. Less fun for us.

                          I think they apreciate the honnest effort of your idea though. Keep the good ideas coming. Maybe they can make good on one of them. It certainly is nice, to hear some rational talk for once, instead of ludicrist banter.

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                            We're still discussing the spoiler forum idea…it may happen, if we can just iron out the details.

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                              I think it's better if it's locked. I was not very happy when the topic was locke but the mods have their reason I can accept. So we lock the topic and let a member who created it update it himself.

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                                A subsection for the spoilers sounds unnecesary and too much work. Besides, why comment when you know so little about the chapter?

                                Even if you lock the spoiler threads, people can still discuss (and possibly bitch) about them in the current chapter threads, which I saw a bit of today. I think it would be best to just stop the spoilers altogether.

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                                  @CosmicDebris:

                                  Does anyone really, vehemently object to the spoilers being locked and can give some good reasons why it should not be?

                                  I'm only concerned about the thread being updated when new scans/information are found, but if that's taken care of, I don't really care.

                                  After the first post, I only check back to see it anything new's been found, because by then, the thread has become too stupid to sustain life.

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                                    Yeah, I'd say its better that they are locked… and you guys could make a rule in bold letters to not post any topics having to do with the spoilers.

                                    And I agree with Carter on that last part XD

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                                      I think spoiler topics should be locked. Also, it should say in huge bold letters not to say a thing about the spoiler until the chapter is released at the start of the first post.

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                                        Why was it even locked in the first place? I frequent the spoiler topics pretty much every week and nothing that was said this week was that bad. As a matter of fact, nothing I've ever seen in them was bad at all.

                                        Sure people like to speculate…but this is One Piece after all... And I haven't seen anyone posting about the spoiler in any threads other than the spoiler discussion... That only happened like..once in the summer didn't it?

                                        I say leave it open..but if it stays closed.. plenty of other places to discuss One Piece on the net and you guys might lose a bit of traffic. AP always has the spoilers first though, so it's the place to discuss One Piece..

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                                        • Carly
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                                          It was locked for a few reasons. Endless complaining, more discussion happening in the spoiler topic with incomplete information than in the ACTUAL CHAPTER topic, people leaking it out in other discussions (it happens more often than you see 'cause it's our job to stop it from happening), the never-ending finger-pointing and trolling and urgh. Someday maybe the privilege might be extended to have it open for discussion again, because that's what it is, a privilege.

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                                            @Local-chan:

                                            you pm a mod and they'll let you post it I think, or they'll post it and credit yer.

                                            Wouldn't it just be easier to give Battle Franky limited mod powers, like being able to lock a thread without the rest (ability to ban/edit other member posts/merge threads etc), since he's always the one posting the spoilers. Well, except this week, but you got the point.

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                                              That's one of the main options we have in mind, actually; one we've considered for a long long time.

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                                              • CosmicDebris
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                                                Losing members is a concern, but, how many people here are just here for the spoiler thread? Are we really missing that much if we lose members who only post in the spoiler topic?
                                                On the other hand, I have talked with people a lot on other forums and LJ who tell me they left AP due to excessive negativity and complaining spilling out of the spoiler thread. So you've got problems either way.

                                                Anyway, I want to make as many people happy as possible, which is a flawed endeavor to begin with…but I try. 😛

                                                I'm actually surprised that so many people are agreeing that the spoiler should be locked, I thought there would be a bigger outcry. 👅

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                                                  Same, I thought people would want such a spoiler option, if I'm really the only one that cares and enjoys the spoiler topics a great deal (I love it, for instance, when we find a pandaman and whatnot, and it helps me hold up until the real chapter is release), then it really would be absurd to make a whole subsection just for me.

                                                  It's totally up to you mods and the other members, I was just throwing out my suggestion hoping for a bite. I'm not the kind of person to leave a forum over something like the spoiler topic being locked (though it would cause me to come less often and post less often, just because one of the primary places I post is in the spoiler thread 😞 ).

                                                  Anyway, looks like I lose, but at least I tried.

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                                                    It's not anyone winning or losing. 😛 We may yet decide on a spoiler forum by admittance only…but I'm sure that would cause all sorts of new problems too. 👅 It might sound good on paper to have the people who cause problems be restricted from the forum, but how sad and frustrating to be one of those people, eh? At least with it locked, we're all in the same boat. XD

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                                                      I think either one of 2 things should be done
                                                      a New Subsection should be created where only a certain group can get in, and maybe you can start Everyone out in this group and remove people who break the rules, or you can make it a thing where they have to earn the right to get into it in the first place, either way, that is one idea.
                                                      Idea 2 is that you let someone like Battle Franky or whoever happens to have the Spoiler that week (I'm using BF as the example for this whole thing because well… lets face it, it's usually him) can post the spoiler info he has including pictures and the like and a mod immediately locks it. then, Battle Franky can update that first post with new info as he gets it, but don't let new posts be made in that thread.
                                                      Idea 1 is harder to pull off but it allows people to discuss the spoilers in a civilized manner, Idea 2 doesnt let people discuss, but it is easy to set up
                                                      both ways let the people get the info tho, so they are both good in that respect.
                                                      someone will probabily have a better Idea or everyone will just ignore me tho XD

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                                                        @CosmicDebris:

                                                        It's not anyone winning or losing. 😛 We may yet decide on a spoiler forum by admittance only…but I'm sure that would cause all sorts of new problems too. 👅 It might sound good on paper to have the people who cause problems be restricted from the forum, but how sad and frustrating to be one of those people, eh? At least with it locked, we're all in the same boat. XD

                                                        You make a fair point about the frustration of not being able to post in there, though I personally find that it is even less fair to punish those who have been contributing to the spoiler threads and who have been completely civil because of the troublesome members. I can understand why you'd do it, I'm just saying it's the slumps for someone like me, who feels as though he's being punished for things he never did.

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                                                          Well, life is kind of like that…people who do stupid things often ruin the fun for others. That's why even the "safe and sane" fireworks are illegal in most cities. 😛 People abuse it, and all the decent people get screwed in the process. (not to mention the abuse itself can directly hurt people)

                                                          But like I said, just wait and see, we aren't done working with it.

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                                                            How about you have people sign up to recieve e-mails containing the spoiler pics and translations?

                                                            I know there are some people who don't check their e-mails very often, but if they really wanted the spoiler pics, they would just have to start checking more often.

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                                                              I don't think that's possible with the functions of this forum. I don't see how that's different from just posting a locked spoiler thread.

                                                              And besides, this is a forum, not a mailing list.

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                                                                I seriously think the best setup for those who wish to see and discuss spoilers is to go with a setup somewhat similar to that of Mangahelpers. Which would be a spoiler sub-forum, with one thread per chapter. The spoiler sub-forum would have its settings in a way so that only Mods would be able to create new threads. After each new chapter release a thread is created for the next chapter, so that when people found spoilers they could be posted and discussed. This way you wouldn't have to worry about thread titles in the spoiler forum containing spoilers.

                                                                You could go one step further by locking the forum to a public group. The public group should be setup in such a way that members have to apply to join, meaning the Group Moderator would approve membership into the group. At this point another level of control would be established, anyone who broke the rules a certain number of times could simply be removed from the group and not let back in.

                                                                This isn't that difficult to setup as it should be a basic part of vBulletin currently.

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                                                                  You'd just need to find a mod willing to run the group, or a reliable member.

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                                                                    My thoughts on new policy: Gay.

                                                                    Being able to discuss in spoiler topics generates significant buzz and hype. It gets everyone pumped for the chapter release. This time when it came out it was still cool, but like "eh, download then leave".

                                                                    Seems I'm not alone since the discussion thread is pathetically dead compared to last week. This is with the spoilers being locked, so it's not a matter of 'people running out of stuff to say'. The whole idea of silencing people for insert amount of days is off-putting and sours the atmosphere.

                                                                    Course this might be your intentions by enforcing the rule, in which case, nm.

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                                                                      @Taz:

                                                                      My thoughts on new policy: Gay.

                                                                      The policy isn't available for any relationships at the moment, hetero or otherwize. :wub:

                                                                      The whole idea of silencing people for insert amount of days is off-putting and sours the atmosphere.

                                                                      Course this might be your intentions by enforcing the rule, in which case, nm.

                                                                      Of course, our intention would naturally be to sour the atmosphere and silence people, because we are evil and sadistic mods. And gay. 😉

                                                                      Have you read this whole thread?

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                                                                        Locking the spoiler thread was an annoying but excellent idea, since we had an alternate topic (translation) that wasn't bombarded with the usual negativity of the spoilers; why? I'm not sure; I guess the name "spoiler" just whips people into a frenzy.

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                                                                          Wasn't that thread locked too?

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                                                                          The policy isn't available for any relationships at the moment, hetero or otherwize. :wub:

                                                                          You defeated me. 😞

                                                                          Of course, our intention would naturally be to sour the atmosphere and silence people, because we are evil and sadistic mods. And gay. 😉

                                                                          Have you read this whole thread?

                                                                          I kind of stopped reading posts when people started suggesting mailing lists and locked forums. Was there stuff I missed that has any relevance to the rest of my post? Asides from the gay remark I mean. (I know - it's tempting to fixate on that! But let us save it for the doujin thread. <3)

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                                                                            @Taz:

                                                                            You defeated me. 😞

                                                                            Sorry. 😞 (I'm glad you have a sense of humor ;))

                                                                            I kind of stopped reading posts when people started suggesting mailing lists and locked forums. Was there stuff I missed that has any relevance to the rest of my post? Asides from the gay remark I mean. (I know - it's tempting to fixate on that! But let us save it for the doujin thread. <3)

                                                                            Well, mostly that I've been saying that we want people to be happy, and we're not done with the decision, and we may end up creating a spoiler sub-forum in which he can have better control over bad behavior. We don't want to stifle discussion, we just don't want out of control negativity and the headaches that go with it.

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                                                                              Since most in this thread like the thread being locked, I'll put my hand up as one who liked the spoiler thread there, and I agree with Taz on the fact that one of the main reasons I went there was for the discussion. Since its locking, it's been a bit slower and I've had significantly less to think about these past few days; I'm not good at coming up with theories myself. 😆
                                                                              It would be good if there was a place for spoiler people to continue discussing them, however it may happen, I think the translation thread was locked for spoilers too?

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                                                                                i think that the way mangahelpers handle spoilers is good. they have a thread where only spoiler text/pics/script/translation is posted, and another one where people can discuss the spoilers.

                                                                                i think it's the best because, i, personally, i'm pissed by the content of the spoiler discussion when i only look for translations or new pics. and reading most of the posts ruins my one piece experience. i tried to put nearly every poster of the spoiler threads in my ignore list but it's hard to handle ^^.

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                                                                                  Does anyone really, vehemently object to the spoilers being locked and can give some good reasons why it should not be?

                                                                                  Yes i do. There are certain reasons i come to AP and the spoiler threads are one of them. I have huge turns off from this site like Ivotas for example who i find quite possibly the most obnoxious and irritating person i've ever come across outside of football (soccer) forums. but then al that is forgotten with the chance to actually discuss things. i'll be honest Octogon, Aldrich, Tarek, onemoment, Buccaneer and a few others are like the biggest draws for me coming here. They're stand out users who don't just post for the sake of it, when they put across their views they can back them up. they don't come with half arsed theories and litter threads with them, they can actually hold a debate and know what it's all about. they handle themselves in a mature demeanour most of the time and i respect that. without these guys most threads are tedious and full of fanatical fandom. These guys push the boundaries of views and make you think about things outside of your limited views and while they're often bias. it still makes for great thinking material. most of all i respect that each and everyone of the above listed can admit they're wrong.

                                                                                  let's be honest here, most of the bitching is done because it's encouraged here for people to call people like Aldrich monsters. they don't like his pessimistic posts and views and refuse to respect that it's his opinion. they ignore what he's saying and just pick up on the overall feeling of posts and that's wrong. especially when you want to complain.

                                                                                  without the spoiler threads and the huge conversation they tend to encourage, no one is sucked into the buzz of a chapter (other than Greg) and thus there's no knock on effect to the actual chapter thread where people want to continue there conversation. the spoiler threads might not contain precision debate or sometimes even purposeful debate, but i think you'll find that all the people that actually drive the threads here do it through debate. yes you can have 50 users like JohnDoe2006 who will pop into a thread and say "thanks battle franky" or like JaneDoe2006 who will pop into a thread and say "Sanji looked so cool" but that's not a threads. that's just filling pages with utter crap that adds nothing to no one (except gratitude) but you get what i mean. debate drives threads here. whether it's people debating over what should happen next or how they felt about XX it drives everything. The spoiler threads are a must in my opinion.

                                                                                  In fact, i would like to see a system set up so that people who bitch about the debating would actually have to defend their argument as to what they dislike and how they feel it's disruptive to the community. put the onus on the accuser as opposed to the defendant.

                                                                                  I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler

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                                                                                    I have no problem with a diference in opinion, rather, how a person presents it. Some people can't post without being rude, or bashing your opinion and acting like their opinion is fact. I'd rather not hear any opinion if it's presented like that. Going back to greg. He is good at posting an opinion without being a jerk. I find I can have a rational conversation with him, even if I totally disagree with him, and think his ideas are ludacrist. lol

                                                                                    I've actually found, in the past few days, since the thread was locked, that the level of good conversation, in the whole forum, has gone up. I actually get excited now about seeing posts, since I last visited.

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                                                                                      And of course, negative reinforcement does tend to litigate immediate though temporary results, captain usopp.

                                                                                      I just wonder whether or not its positive counterpart wouldn't be better for the site in the long run.

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                                                                                        And of course, negative reinforcement does tend to litigate immediate though temporary results, captain usopp.

                                                                                        I just wonder whether or not its positive counterpart wouldn't be better for the site in the long run.

                                                                                        what did I say? negative reinforcement? what? I wasn't bashing anyone. I even complemented greg. I was stating why I am happy the thread was locked…. (negative reinforcment...?)

                                                                                        oh you mean the spoiler thread...I don't view the locking as negative. I could say all the bitching in there was the negative reinforcement.

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                                                                                          Negative reinforcement and Positive Reinforcement are different ways of say, training a dog, I wasn't referring to anything you said Usopp, sorry for the confusion. I just meant that locking the spoiler thread is a rather negative (in my opinion of course) way of reinforcing the integrity of the board, whereas I feel making a subforum would be a positive route. Basically, it's a privelage to post in the subforum, and if you abuse it you lose that privelage, etc.

                                                                                          You've been perfectly civil and I completely respect your opinion, I apologize again for the way I worded that, it wasn't meant to say anything negative about you at all.

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                                                                                            I don't think that's possible with the functions of this forum. I don't see how that's different from just posting a locked spoiler thread.

                                                                                            And besides, this is a forum, not a mailing list.

                                                                                            Oh. Since the forum has a feature that can e-mail members notifications on PM if they wish for it, I thought the staff could use that feature in other ways. Silly me.
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                                                                                            let's be honest here, most of the bitching is done because it's encouraged here for people to call people like Aldrich monsters. they don't like his pessimistic posts and views and refuse to respect that it's his opinion.

                                                                                            If you search the forum, there are several people with some pessimistic posts. I haven't seen a lot of pessimistic views cause problems here.

                                                                                            they ignore what he's saying and just pick up on the overall feeling of posts and that's wrong.

                                                                                            There's a difference between opinion and fact. There's a difference between treating your opinion like an opinion and treating it like fact. There's also a difference between treating your opinion as fact based on limited information and full information. I'm sure most members don't mind if someone says, "Oh, I completely hated this chapter! I was expecting so much more. Oda has severly disappointed me." It's when you complain about it that upsets people.

                                                                                            without the spoiler threads and the huge conversation they tend to encourage, no one is sucked into the buzz of a chapter (other than Greg) and thus there's no knock on effect to the actual chapter thread where people want to continue there conversation. the spoiler threads might not contain precision debate or sometimes even purposeful debate, but i think you'll find that all the people that actually drive the threads here do it through debate

                                                                                            <cut>whether it's people debating over what should happen next or how they felt about XX it drives everything. The spoiler threads are a must in my opinion.</cut>

                                                                                            It's One Piece. It was reading Chapter 432 that started our buzz for Chapter 433, not the spoiler.

                                                                                            There's a tiny difference between debates and arguments, even though arguments does appear in the dictionary's definition of debate. A debate is like a "game" between two philosophers where they put their theories against the other, offering outview after outview, trying to top each other until their is a winner. An argument is similar, but it's not like a "game", it's just overall anger against each other because of differing opinions.

                                                                                            Some people are turned off by arguments, I being one of them. I'm not the kind of person who enjoys winning an argument or even being in an argument. I'll soon as well drop it or end it when I tire of it. But if a disagreement between me and someone on my opinions doesn't continue in anger or negativity, then I have no problem whatsoever.

                                                                                            There are clubs made for people who enjoy debating with others. However, I'm pretty sure those clubs don't tolerate arguing.

                                                                                            And hey, even a really great debate that gets everyone thinking…. is no excuse for rudeness.

                                                                                            yes you can have 50 users like JohnDoe2006 who will pop into a thread and say "thanks battle franky" or like JaneDoe2006 who will pop into a thread and say "Sanji looked so cool" but that's not a threads. that's just filling pages with utter crap that adds nothing to no one (except gratitude) but you get what i mean. debate drives threads here.

                                                                                            You really enjoy debates, don't ya?

                                                                                            Just because someone makes a post that is not incredibly intelligent, doesn't make you think, doesn't changes your outlook on something, or fails to make any significant change to anything doesn't mean it's "crap". You don't have to have some amazing long-winded theory which represents one's mind and intellect to consider it worthwhile. And what's wrong with someone thanking BF for the chapter. They download the chapter, and if they don't have any theories or comments to post, the least they can do is thank the guy for providing the goods. Courtesty, my good fellow.

                                                                                            Besides, I've seen a couple of said posts by one in chapter threads.

                                                                                            In fact, i would like to see a system set up so that people who bitch about the debating would actually have to defend their argument as to what they dislike and how they feel it's disruptive to the community. put the onus on the accuser as opposed to the defendant.

                                                                                            You and your wonder for disagreements….

                                                                                            Hey, not everything here needs to be so complicated. It's a forum. Enjoy a good conversation, have fun, laugh a little, be happy. This is a forum about One Piece, not a showcase for intellectual power. Nothing wrong with that, though, but I don't want an Arlong Park that revolves around debate, I want it to revolve around One Piece.

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                                                                                              Oh. Since the forum has a feature that can e-mail members notifications on PM if they wish for it, I thought the staff could use that feature in other ways. Silly me.

                                                                                              It's automated and has the same message each time. Even if there's a way to send out updated emails, It would require admin willing to run the list, and I don't think any are. Message boards aren't designed to be mailing lists. That's why there are mailing lists and there are message boards. Arlong Park is a message board.

                                                                                              Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa

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                                                                                                I don't see how the spoiler can start a "buzz" for the chapter discussion, since everything people have to say will have already been said in the spoiler post.

                                                                                                the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit

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                                                                                                  I think the forum does have a feature to email all the members that are registered, but no, I don't think we want to use that, either. There are tons of registered user that are not with forum any more. … and other limitations, etc.

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                                                                                                    I think the forum does have a feature to email all the members that are registered, but no, I don't think we want to use that, either. There are tons of registered user that are not with forum any more. … and other limitations, etc.

                                                                                                    and people like me, who don't read it, and don't need a stupid e-mail every week in my mail box. 🙂

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                                                                                                      Well I said it would be people who signed up for it, not everyone.

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                                                                                                        I think the forum does have a feature to email all the members that are registered, .

                                                                                                        you did, but ocean stated this

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