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    Who is the final villain in One Piece? 2.0

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    • MiyamotoMusashi
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      @K.:

      Why can't both have the title earned through their respective philosophies on the matter. It seems very dramatic when two equals are trying to decide the fate of the world. The underdog tones can be brought upon with other elements besides the title. We have the potential of Luffy fighting Blackbeard without an Ancient Weapon to back him up, and how powerful Blackbeard already is.

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      The WG owns the pond, and instead of having one fish trying to challenge it, we have another faction trying to overtake that position for their own selfish desires. Unlike Luffy, that's why the parallels between Luffy and Blackbeard can be carried even after Raftel.

      What, or how someone becomes the pirate king differs from person to person. For Luffy is freedom, while for Blackbeard is chaos/conquering. It would work well within the themes of both, to have each acquire the title through different means. Luffy, by finishing exploring the world, and Blackbeard by acquiring an Ancient Power, and getting rid of his competition: mainly Shanks and potentially other emperors.

      Blackbeard defeating 1-2 emperors would make him the top pirate in terms of how the world views him.

      Yes, Luffy will be the one to ultimately do it, that does not mean there cannot be a competitor trying to take advantage of the shift in power.

      More than Luffy toppling the government, slowly I can see him being the one that actually prevents someone from sitting on the Empty Throne. He will help getting Im out of there, but will also prevent anyone from taking his place. Which aligns with his concept of freedom.

      They all play in that pond though, the fish differ in size, but none of them can solely endanger the owner of the pond.

      They differ in what they think the Pirate King represents, sure, the way to become PK is not different for both though, that´s the main point, at least so far.
      Unlike DD for example, whose definition of Pirate King was not about reaching Raftel and finding One Piece, a goal he would deem as meaningless, which fits his attitude shown in Jaya really, both Luffy and BB share the same definition of Pirate King, reach Raftel, find One Piece.

      So far at least, which is why i have the problem. If Oda, let´s say, actually points out that BB would be ok with becoming his own specific version of Pirate King, for example, like you said, by finding and using an Ancient Weapon, or by other means, sure, that conflict does not inherently exist, though i would still be somewhat disappointed that Luffy has no credible rival for the PK title, since the other Yonkou are basically second tier compared to the Pirate King or the people who have the potential to reach it, and the Supernova´s rivalry is non-existent and has no credibility.
      But it would at least prevent the problem of BB failing a certain goal and then doing the next best thing, it´s just Oda has to portray it credibly, which i have pointed out in my post.
      Before that, i will not really pretend it´s a done deal, especially when there are a few other points, albeit not as big as this one, that are somewhat problematic to me narrative-wise.

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        @Long:

        If blackbeard gets there first that means robin reads the rio poneglyph after the war. The void century and all proof of corruption has to come before the war.

        BB doesn't have to get there first. He can follow the strawhats and still through being underhanded leave with the treasure, (ancient weapon?) the proof that he's the king.

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          based on Luffy's statement that he wants to defeat all 4 Emperors, and if we assume the Final Arc is in Raftel, I think Shanks can be the last boss. he somewhat still knew how to get there, even without Road Poneglyphs.

          but yeah, they can be followed easily. especially if the world knows that Strawhat pirates has successfully decipher all 4 Road Poneglyphs. in this case, all remaining Emperors, Marines and Government can clash in Raftel. which means, Teach is the most suitable for Luffy's last big boss. since they have similar dream, but contradicting personalities.

          but what is 'last villain' exactly on One Piece? the major antagonist character that Luffy must defeat in order to achieve his dream? or the last character that they fight before the story ends?
          for example, on Thriller Bark, Moria is the Last Boss but there's Kuma who appear after Moria's defeat. and on Dressrossa, Doflamingo is indeed the Last Boss, but in aftermath, Luffy must fight Fujitora in order for them to escape.

          I still believe that Shanks hiding something. so, I'm not surprise if there will be a plot twist.
          and I want the story keep going even after Luffy obtained One Piece. so, while he wonders around the world, he might be fighting with another enemies. another pirates or remnants of Marines/WG.

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            Shanks will be dead by the end of the Wano arc. He asked the Gorosei to help him. They told him to fuck off because Vivi is the real deal
            Now, Shanks will finally move his ass, oppose Teach and get killed. Becoming the new Jiraya, Shanks will die sending a secret message to Luffy. This message will be Blackbeard's entire flashback. After all, there is no one else that can give us his flashback.
            The secret flashback (written in code) will be tattooed on the back of this monkey edit: ok, wrong thread. Still is somewhat relevant though

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              Im fans, call me when Im kills Shanks in the evidently foreshadowed conflict between the two of them.

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                I'm curious, to anyone who thinks Imu is the final villain, who did you previously think was the main villain? If it was the Gorosei then I can understand changing your mind, but if it was Sakazuki or Blackbeard (or someone else), why did you change your mind? Because until we get more details, Imu's role in the story is just "bigger Gorosei."

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                  Imu actually is a person/character. The Gorosei couldn't be "the last villain" because it's not one person, but 5 old men.
                  People saying "Luffy vs Gorosei" didn't make much sense. But they do now if they say "Luffy vs Imu"

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                    I would prefer a Pirate Vs Pirate final battle, thank you.

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                      I would hate a pirate vs pirate to be the deciding battle for the fates countries or the goverment should be run.

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                        @MrBits:

                        I'm curious, to anyone who thinks Imu is the final villain, who did you previously think was the main villain? If it was the Gorosei then I can understand changing your mind, but if it was Sakazuki or Blackbeard (or someone else), why did you change your mind? Because until we get more details, Imu's role in the story is just "bigger Gorosei."

                        I really never thought about it. Blackbeard as the final villain came to my mind when he declared war to the world in Marineford. Pretty late if you ask me. But of course he was mentioned and build up way before that. But i was never sure if he is really the final boss, because throughout the series we have seen that there is something very very wrong within the OPverse. The authorities of this world are cruel and they did and ordered some really fucked up shit. And for me, Whitebeards final words made it somewhat clear…after the One Piece is found, there will be war which would engulf the entire world. When the One Piece is found, it indicates that there is a new Pirate King. Most likely Luffy. So Luffy beat Blackbeard and now he goes into war, because beating Blackbeard doesnt change the World...and the World needs to be changed. The Authorities need to vanish. So of course, since Marineford, i thought that the Gorosei will be the final villains. I never thought that Sakazuki would be the final boss because i think Yonkou>Admiral. So that never crossed my mind

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                          I would hate a pirate vs pirate to be the deciding battle for the fates countries or the goverment should be run.

                          And if there's one thing we know from One Piece, it's that the pirates are just tiny little petty criminals, and their exploits are just irrelevant squabbles. In no way involving the fates of countries or the world.

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                            And if there's one thing we know from One Piece, it's that the pirates are just tiny little petty criminals, and their exploits are just irrelevant squabbles. In no way involving the fates of countries or the world.

                            I don't think I mentioned pirates as being unimportant. I don't think I even said the last fight won't be between pirates. I said it's not something I would enjoy. We've spent a lot of time with pirates I would prefer the last war to put focus on the rest of the world and the last fight to not be between pirates so that the focus can not be on piracy but more global and reminds us the other parts of the world.

                            It's a personal preference it's not me saying this is what will happen.

                            Robby usually makes the same points as you without having to antagonize people. You don't have to express yourself in sarcasm.

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                              @desa:

                              I don't think I mentioned pirates as being unimportant. I don't think I even said the last fight won't be between pirates. I said it's not something I would enjoy. We've spent a lot of time with pirates I would prefer the last war to put focus on the rest of the world and the last fight to not be between pirates so that the focus can not be on piracy but more global and reminds us the other parts of the world.

                              You insist my post doesn't address things you're ignoring about the series, but then you prove it does.

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                                So I heard some mention the characters for Imu in Japanese in reverse is Umi which is water.

                                Now this is 99.3% bullshit but if IMU had the water devil fruit could we see an everybody vs IMU battle in the style of Everyone vs the father in FMA. I strongly doubt there's a water fruit but that's likely so OP that it would take everyone working together. Which I'm not even sure I want but I'm sure IMU would have been seen as delusional fan fiction before 906

                                Still don't think it'll happen, water seems like it'd defeat the point of the DF weakness. But the team idea seemed interesting I guess that's not impossible without the Water DF. Blackbeard is still the final villain of the 3 way final war but I could see other obstacles like ancient weapons needing some big teamwork

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                                So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

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                                  @Monkey:

                                  You insist my post doesn't address things you're ignoring about the series, but then you prove it does.

                                  I suppose you mean how Blackbeard won't be a mere pirate but will actually be trying to establish a new world order armed with the ancient history, an ancient weapon and being part of that family. But he is also a pirate. He is all that plus being a pirate. Doffly was a king, an ex-celestial and a pirate. It's not about wether pirate are important or not not to me it is that we had pirate for so long that I think we should move from it for the final fight to show how diferent it is.

                                  I don't it want to be pirates vs pirates because it is what we had during the whole manga and while Luffy and Blackbeard would represent different ideas/view of the world going forward I think fighting someone that is not from that group would better show how different of a fight it is.

                                  It's like how Luffy beat the shit out of Doffly for the people of Dressrosa but having a dressrosan warrior do it would be different. It's not saying Luffy is unimportant to the story but that I think the war climax and messyness that would have happen prior is better serve if we don't close it on the pirate vs pirate we have had every other arc.

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                                    @desa:

                                    I suppose you mean how Blackbeard won't be a mere pirate but will actually be trying to establish a new world order armed with the ancient history, an ancient weapon and being part of that family. But he is also a pirate. He is all that plus being a pirate. Doffly was a king, an ex-celestial and a pirate. It's not about wether pirate are important or not not to me it is that we had pirate for so long that I think we should move from it for the final fight to show how diferent it is.

                                    Why would the final fight of a pirate manga that has pirate iconography worked even into it's logo, distance itself totally from pirate stuff in the finale.

                                    I don't it want to be pirates vs pirates because it is what we had during the whole manga and while Luffy and Blackbeard would represent different ideas/view of the world going forward I think fighting someone that is not from that group would better show how different of a fight it is.

                                    Maybe if you're tired of pirates you can just like, read a different manga? Because this one is a pirate manga.

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                                      Does he really have a reason to hate Teach though ? Because to me, it looks like Teach has been built up as the last villain ever since he appeared, but… well, he didn't do anything bad against Luffy. He can't really blame him for capturing his brother, after all he's not even the one who killed him.
                                      He will definitely be the last villain once Shanks will be dead. Then Teach will really start being an asshole and a rival. But until then, he's just the guy who likes pie

                                      This, or Luffy will be the one to attack Teach first because he's a yonkou and he has to take them all down, amirite. At first he didn't mean to be enemy with Bigmom (too much candies were eaten+Vinsmoke stuff) and Kaido (Doflamingo happened to be working for him), but it happened without having to make Luffy act like a warmonger
                                      So, will Teach be the ultimate jackass and kill Shanks and whatnot ? Will Luffy unintentionally destroy pie island ?? or will he just go see Teach and kick his ass because he was stronger than Ace ?

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                                        @Nilitch:

                                        Does he really have a reason to hate Teach though ? Because to me, it looks like Teach has been built up as the last villain ever since he appeared, but… well, he didn't do anything bad against Luffy. He can't really blame him for capturing his brother, after all he's not even the one who killed him.
                                        He will definitely be the last villain once Shanks will be dead. Then Teach will really start being an asshole and a rival. But until then, he's just the guy who likes pie

                                        This, or Luffy will be the one to attack Teach first because he's a yonkou and he has to take them all down, amirite. At first he didn't mean to be enemy with Bigmom (too much candies were eaten+Vinsmoke stuff) and Kaido (Doflamingo happened to be working for him), but it happened without having to make Luffy act like a warmonger
                                        So, will Teach be the ultimate jackass and kill Shanks and whatnot ? Will Luffy unintentionally destroy pie island ?? or will he just go see Teach and kick his ass because he was stronger than Ace ?

                                        Keep in mind, we haven't even see Blackbeard in full, since the time skip. There's still a whole lot of time for his build-up even further.

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                                          @Monkey:

                                          Why would the final fight of a pirate manga that has pirate iconography worked even into it's logo, distance itself totally from pirate stuff in the finale.

                                          To reflect the messiness of the war.

                                          I didn't say totally. Pirates would have been a part of the war but not the only part of it. lAnd sine they had focus during the whole manga to make sure the messy nature of the war is kept it would also be reflected in the final fight. They can work with other parties be it villains(cp0) or good guys (revolutionaries). And the final could reflect that. It's not some obligation simply my prefered outcome.

                                          Maybe if you're tired of pirates you can just like, read a different manga? Because this one is a pirate manga.

                                          Basically One Piece is good enough right now and I don't see the point in stopping enjoying before it gets to a point I really dislike.

                                          Well I enjoy reading it and while there's things I don't like I am fairly interested where the story will go. I don't feel like stopping now because possibly in 10 years I won't like the ending. Heck for all I know the execution might be good enough that I end up liking it it and even if it doesn't I will have enjoyed for years before I get to a point that is too disappointing.

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                                            @S.C.:

                                            Keep in mind, we haven't even see Blackbeard in full, since the time skip. There's still a whole lot of time for his build-up even further.

                                            I'm sure there will be more. But we've reached the point where we all know he's the last villain only because a lot symbols are saying so. But there is no actual chara-development between these two. They barely saw/talked to each other…
                                            There is still time for this to happen. But as I said, my issue is that only symbolic things are making us understand he's the final villain (Shanks's warnings, many devil fruits, looks like a typical pirate, is cynical, etctetera).

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                                              @Nilitch:

                                              I'm sure there will be more. But we've reached the point where we all know he's the last villain only because a lot symbols are saying so. But there is no actual chara-development between these two. They barely saw/talked to each other…
                                              There is still time for this to happen. But as I said, my issue is that only symbolic things are making us understand he's the final villain (Shanks's warnings, many devil fruits, looks like a typical pirate, is cynical, etctetera).

                                              Alas, at this point, it's merely waiting until he returns for such things to occur.

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                                                I find very interesting how finding One Piece throws the world into a war, it makes you wonder in the first place if Luffy would do such thing and if he feels there would be enough reasons to do so.

                                                that's where I believe Teach enters into the game pretty well, the SH's find One Piece but wouldn't want a massive war happening cause of it, while Teach in the other hand would be more than glad to make the entire world kill each other for the sake of chaos, that's how the final battle ends up being pirate vs pirate.

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                                                  Which part of Teach's characterization says that he is an agent of chaos that wants to see the world burn? I missed that part in the story.

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                                                    @theackwardstation:

                                                    Which part of Teach's characterization says that he is an agent of chaos that wants to see the world burn? I missed that part in the story.

                                                    That big speech at Marineford.

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                                                      @S.C.:

                                                      That big speech at Marineford.

                                                      Declaring that it is your era = being an agent of chaos that wants to see the world burn ??

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                                                        Declaring that it is your era = being an agent of chaos that wants to see the world burn ??

                                                        He explicitly mentioned "You boring peace-loving people", among calling out the WG, Marines and Pirates as a whole.

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                                                          Anyway, if Teach and Luffy find the OnePiece or learn what happened in the void century. I mean, if they get something that pushes them to start a "final war". There is no way that Luffy will side with the Gorosei and choose to maintain order

                                                          Actually, I don't think we have any material yet to think about how that war could start

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                                                            I dont think luffy will team up with blackbeard though, they might happen to help each other like what happened at impel down but I doubt they shake hands and form an alliance

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                                                              well, there's Roger, he reached Raftel and according to his flashback with Whitebeard, he seemed to know things, yet he decided not to trigger a world war.

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                                                                @S.C.:

                                                                He explicitly mentioned "You boring peace-loving people", among calling out the WG, Marines and Pirates as a whole.

                                                                Of course, he is a pirate and does pirate-like things, like (suposedly) pillaging and conquering Whitebeard's territory… but for all I know Blackbeard wants greedy power, to have stuff, to be powerful, but not destruction for its sake and to see the world burn. That's Doflamingo.

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                                                                  Of course BB would address "you boring peace-loving people" without any sort of chaotic intention. Totally makes sense.

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                                                                    @HeartOfDarkness:

                                                                    Of course BB would address "you boring peace-loving people" without any sort of chaotic intention. Totally makes sense.

                                                                    Yes, because a comment that's ambiguous at best characterizes him better than his whole life of existance and his role in the story thus far.

                                                                    We've seen him destroy 2 islands up until now (Drum and Bannaro) without caring for the common citzens (those boring peace-loving people), but he never did it just to watch the world burn. He's not the Joker. All the evil he does is not giving a shit to others when he wants to acchieve his goals.

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                                                                      Nice way to ignore what he did in Impel Down when it came to recruiting the "strongest" and watching the weak get killed.

                                                                      But yea BB is definitely not the type to sit back and enjoy chaos.

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                                                                        Nice way to ignore what he did in Impel Down when it came to recruiting the "strongest" and watching the weak get killed.

                                                                        But yea BB is definitely not the type to sit back and enjoy chaos.

                                                                        That's my argument. He was recruiting the strongest through a coherent method, not doing random chaotic stuff to reach his orgasm.

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                                                                          Yes, because a comment that's ambiguous at best characterizes him better than his whole life of existance and his role in the story thus far.

                                                                          We've seen him destroy 2 islands up until now (Drum and Bannaro) without caring for the common citzens (those boring peace-loving people), but he never did it just to watch the world burn. He's not the Joker. All the evil he does is not giving a shit to others when he wants to acchieve his goals.

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                                                                            Funny because in the eye of the hurricane there is no storm.

                                                                            Anyway, people should understand better their beloved characters. Being chaotic evil is Kaidou's role as a villain (not to mention that Doflamingo wanted to destroy the world). Hopefully Teach won't become more of the same and, happily, that's not what he's been doing.

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                                                                              Funny because in the eye of the hurricane there is no storm.

                                                                              Anyway, people should understand better their beloved characters. Being chaotic evil is Kaidou's role as a villain (not to mention that Doflamingo wanted to destroy the world). Hopefully Teach won't become more of the same and, happily, that's not what he's been doing.

                                                                              So yes, in the metaphor you're in the middle of the storm, but are totally clueless due to not immediately seeing the obvious around you.

                                                                              Sounds perfect.

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                                                                                So yes, in the metaphor you're in the middle of the storm, but are totally clueless due to not immediately seeing the obvious around you.

                                                                                Sounds perfect.

                                                                                So it works as a joke in itself, but not as an analogy, since your point was that I was staring at the rain without recognizing the storm.

                                                                                But let's go back to the discussion… do you see Teach's doing in Banaro and Drum as an random agent of chaos just to see the world burn? Or was he doind bad stuff in order to become a Shichibukai?

                                                                                When Teach was in Jaya, was he randomly making pirates kill each other for the sake of chaos or was he just chilling and then went after Luffy because he discovered that Luffy was worth 100 million bellies?

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                                                                                  So it works as a joke in itself, but not as an analogy, since your point was that I was staring at the rain without recognizing the storm.

                                                                                  Well it's really up the reader.

                                                                                  Are you in denial of what is right in front of you?
                                                                                  Or just clueless?

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                                                                                    That's my argument. He was recruiting the strongest through a coherent method, not doing random chaotic stuff to reach his orgasm.

                                                                                    He fucked up Drum, had the prisoners kill themselves(the fight might make sense the death not so much) and he wanted to sink marineford for some reason rather than gtfo after getting the fruit. I'm not saying he has to seen as chaotic but the idea that he loves chaos doesn't come from nowhere.

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                                                                                        Well it's really up the reader.

                                                                                        Are you in denial of what is right in front of you?
                                                                                        Or just clueless?

                                                                                        I guess I'm clueless, because I can only analyze what's in the story. I still haven't developed divinatory powers that tell me about hidden motivation of characters that have followed a particular pattern.

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                                                                                        He fucked up Drum, had the prisoners kill themselves(the fight might make sense the death not so much) and he wanted to sink marineford for some reason rather than gtfo after getting the fruit. I'm not saying he has to seen as chaotic but the idea that he loves chaos doesn't come from nowhere.

                                                                                        The fact that he has destructive methods (and doesn't care about it) is covered in my argument. The thing is that he never did destruction for the sake of destruction. If at the end of One Piece he turns around malefically because now he can explode the planet just to have a laugh ZEHAHAHAHA, that's something that will surprise me greatly.

                                                                                        Obviously, we still have much to know about him, but he seems to be a power hungry type of guy, he wants to have the biggest d*** in the club, like a corrupt billionaire trying to become the richest in the world through his filthy schemes. Nothing about it is for the sake of chaos.

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                                                                                          The fact that he has destructive methods (and doesn't care about it) is covered in my argument. The thing is that he never did destruction for the sake of destruction. If at the end of One Piece he turns around malefically because now he can explode the planet just to have a laugh ZEHAHAHAHA, that's something that will surprise me greatly.

                                                                                          Let's say the fight to the death make sense for some reason.

                                                                                          What were the goals he was achieving by messing with Drum or destroying MarineFord?What was at stake?

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                                                                                            Let's say the fight to the death make sense for some reason.

                                                                                            What were the goals he was achieving by messing with Drum or destroying MarineFord?What was at stake?

                                                                                            Teach explained that he destroyed Drum to bring attention to his name in order to become famous enough to be a Shichibukai, but his media plan failed, so then he decided to hunt pirates with bounties above 100 million bellies. As for Marineford, he went there to get the Gura Gura no Mi and put on a show to exhibit his power and declare his era.

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                                                                                              Teach explained that he destroyed Drum to bring attention to his name in order to become famous enough to be a Shichibukai, but his media plan failed so then he decided to hunt pirates with bounties above 100 million bellies.

                                                                                              Pretty sure that was not a thing since there wasn't even an empty spot back then and Lafitte doesn't bring it up when asked who the hell blackbeard is. But if you any page that indicate the contrary I would like to see it.

                                                                                              As for Marineford, he went there to get the Gura Gura no Mi and put on a show to exhibit his power and declare his era.

                                                                                              He could have escape after taking the fruit. He decided to stay specifically to sink MarineFord. He decides to do so after the Gura and after having proved having proven he has 2 fruits.

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                                                                                                  There can be two, same way in cake island luffy has two, or dressrosa.

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                                                                                                    Maybe I'm just an idiot or something, but the wording from whitebeard just doesn't make sense if bb is the "final boss". Didn't whitey basically say that the eos war will start after someone reaches raftel, or claims the one piece, or whatever? But Luffy and bb are gonna have to fight over the pirate king title, which would precede the eos war with the world government, right?

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                                                                                                      Maybe I'm just an idiot or something, but the wording from whitebeard just doesn't make sense if bb is the "final boss". Didn't whitey basically say that the eos war will start after someone reaches raftel, or claims the one piece, or whatever? But Luffy and bb are gonna have to fight over the pirate king title, which would precede the eos war with the world government, right?

                                                                                                      You´re not, look at the last few pages, was addressed there.

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                                                                                                        @MiyamotoMusashi:

                                                                                                        You´re not, look at the last few pages, was addressed there.

                                                                                                        Thanks. I'll take a look and see what other people are saying.

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