Who is the final villain in One Piece? 2.0
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And Luffy is a generic pretty hero. There you have it.
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Its because Blackbeard is fat and missing teeth, isn't it?
Blackbeard may be fat, but he had a plan to reach the top and claim the title of Pirate King. If anything, Blackbeard (and Jinbei) makes fat people look badass. Plus, his missing teeth, to me emphasizes the fact that he looks like an actual pirate. The only thing he's missing is an eyepatch.
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While Blackbeard does seem to be the clear final villain from a narrative standpoint, as most of the people here think, but I wonder how you guys think the World Government will fit into the equation? It's full of people who hate Luffy, Akainu among them, and Luffy has always longed to surpass the admirals.
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@Kaido:
While Blackbeard does seem to be the clear final villain from a narrative standpoint, as most of the people here think, but I wonder how you guys think the World Government will fit into the equation? It's full of people who hate Luffy, Akainu among them, and Luffy has always longed to surpass the admirals.
Luffy longs to surpass the admirals in contexts of the admirals showing how vulnerable the crew is, not in some Pokemon Be The Best way. That's a nonexistent plot thread.The WG fits the equation in the sense that the final conflict is multi-sided and huge in scale. This has been explained in virtually every post about the Blackbeard theory.
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And Luffy is a generic pretty hero. There you have it.
Generic? Yes. Pretty? No.
Dropper, Blackbeard is supposed to look and act like a generic 18th century pirate. If he looked like Clock Dell or Doffy, like you seem to want him to, that would totally defeat a crucial aspect of his character.
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Generic? Yes. Pretty? No. Dropper, Blackbeard is supposed to look and act like a generic 18th century pirate. If he looked like Clock Dell or Doffy, like you seem to want him to, that would totally defeat a crucial aspect of his c?
And what are the similarities you see between BB and a real pirate? No sarcasm or anything, and perhaps it's me being blind, but I truly can't see it…
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And what are the similarities you see between BB and a real pirate? No sarcasm or anything, and perhaps it's me being blind, but I truly can't see it…
Him being a ruthless, amoral, cutthroat who'll do anything to get what he wants and is motivated by greed. And also being a jolly soul who seems like he'd be fun to drink with, minus the whole "rape, pillage and burn" thing.
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Generic ugly villain….. but there is a beautiful bastard inside him somewhere, certainly a 'D' in some prospect.
I guess my scale isn't accurate, but I've never found villains who give the heroes extremely encouraging speeches and regularly get the shit kicked out of them (pre-TS) to be generic. Generic to me is uber powerful from the get-go, and more one-dimensional.@KageKageKing:
And Luffy is a generic pretty hero. There you have it.
On the surface he is but he has more to him under the surface, and has moments where he breaks the mold, for example his "I don't want to be a hero! I want to eat the meat!" speech. I think it's a disservice to call either of these characters generic.
Croc or Enel would never.Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
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@S.C.:
Him being a ruthless, amoral, cutthroat who'll do anything to get what he wants and is motivated by greed. And also being a jolly soul who seems like he'd be fun to drink with, minus the whole "rape, pillage and burn" thing.
I'm pretty sure that's not an accurate description of your average 18th century pirates…
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@Clay:
I guess my scale isn't accurate, but I've never found villains who give the heroes extremely encouraging speeches and regularly get the shit kicked out of them (pre-TS) to be generic. Generic to me is uber powerful from the get-go, and more one-dimensional.On the surface he is but he has more to him under the surface, and has moments where he breaks the mold, for example his "I don't want to be a hero! I want to eat the meat!" speech. I think it's a disservice to call either of these characters generic.
Yeah there's something to what you say.Luffy is in some regards extremely generic, and even all but copies Goku on a couple accounts (being lovably dim, the eating thing).But then in other ways Oda really takes abrupt left turns.
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I'm pretty sure that's not an accurate description of your average 18th century pirates…
You're the only one who used the word "real". Everyone else means it in the sense of the classics of pirate adventure stories like Treasure Island.
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@Monkey:
You're the only one who used the word "real". Everyone else means it in the sense of the classics of pirate adventure stories like Treasure Island.
If that's the case then don't mind me, I also have "Treasure Island" i mind when thinking about BB, didn't bring it up I didn't read it recently and didn't want to talk out of my ass… Altough, saying that "Treasure Island" pirate are "18th century pirates" kind of makes me cringe a bit... guess that's the stereotypical for you...
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If that's the case then don't mind me, I also have "Treasure Island" i mind when thinking about BB, didn't bring it up I didn't read it recently and didn't want to talk out of my ass… Altough, saying that "Treasure Island" pirate are "18th century pirates" kind of makes me cringe a bit... guess that's the stereotypical for you...
Coming from a guy who has never seen, read or even heard of "Treasure Island", BB looks and acts like how an actual real life pirate would. But what is this "Treasure Island" you guys are talking about? Just curious.
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So if BB is inspired from the real pirate BB, will vice admiral Maynard capture/ kill him after his fight with luffy? Admiral Maynard, feel the pain of Luffy and Blackbeard's victory.
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@uniaka:
So if BB is inspired from the real pirate BB, will vice admiral Maynard capture/ kill him after his fight with luffy? Admiral Maynard, feel the pain of Luffy and Blackbeard's victory.
Lol…..Blackbeard is a self indulgent drunk, opportunistic, cowardly, backstabbing, ruthless, will stoop as low as he can to move forward. He's just about the only OP pirate captain resembling actual pirates. Pirates, not corsairs or privateers. If historical accounts are to be trusted, anyway. Not really an expert, just read some.
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Coming from a guy who has never seen, read or even heard of "Treasure Island", BB looks and acts like how an actual real life pirate would. But what is this "Treasure Island" you guys are talking about? Just curious.
Its considered a classic, written by Robert Louis Stevenson. Here is a random cover.
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The anime of Treasure Island (Takarajima) is great. That final scene with Silver is perfect:
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@The:
Coming from a guy who has never seen, read or even heard of "Treasure Island", BB looks and acts like how an actual real life pirate would. But what is this "Treasure Island" you guys are talking about? Just curious.
One of the more famous pirate stories, written by Robert Louis Stevenson in 1880.
It was the origin of Long John Silver and Jim Hawkins, and the popularizing of a lot of things, suchs as treasure maps marked with an "X", schooners, the Black Spot, tropical islands, and one-legged seamen bearing parrots on their shoulders.
It's had countless adaptations, including one by the Muppets. one by Hayao Miyazaki, and the Disney version in space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Island
Also this weird ass version that I grew up on.
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Someone saying that he never heard of Treasure's Island feels like the same as someone who never heard of A Christmas Carol.
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Oh I watched that on TV when I was a kid. Then it stopped airing mid story. Never knew if it got canned or our lazy ass TV just never bought more episodes.Not sure if I first watched an older movie or the one with Christian Bale and Charlton Heston.
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@The:
Coming from a guy who has never seen, read or even heard of "Treasure Island", BB looks and acts like how an actual real life pirate would. But what is this "Treasure Island" you guys are talking about? Just curious.
Treasure Island is the quintessential piece of pirate fiction. Pretty much every single popular modern perception of what a pirate is- often drunk, violent, roguish outsiders with great lust for treasure and equally quick to spend it, and pirate captains being cunning, and well-spoken (and perhaps well-educated) gentlemen that are seem a class above their crew and therefore somewhat out of place- and elements associated with them like treasure maps where X marks the spot, parrots, pirate songs, tropical islands, quite a bit of the pirate lingo like "shiver my timbers" is due to Robert Louis Stevenson's book. Only Peter Pan (which itself was influenced by and even contains references to Treasure Island) comes close to having as much an impact.
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quite a bit of the pirate lingo like "shiver my timbers" is due to Robert Louis Stevenson's book.
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Wow. To think I lived this long and I'm the only one who never knew about this piece of literature until now. I guess there are some things you don't learn in school, Hahaha
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Wow. To think I lived this long and I'm the only one who never knew about this piece of literature until now. I guess there are some things you don't learn in school, Hahaha[qimg]http://apforums.net/images/smilies/ipb/laughing.png[/qimg].
Are you from the West? I mean its not too weird if you're not from Europe or the Americas I guess, though of course neither is Oda so…
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@Monkey:
Are you from the West? I mean its not too weird if you're not from Europe or the Americas I guess, though of course neither is Oda so…
I live in the U.S.
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Ooh, we talking about Treasure Island? I was in a stage version of that a long time ago! Yeah, for anyone who's really interested in seeing some of the inspiration behind One Piece, I would easily consider that book to be required reading. A lot of the early look of OP feels very Treasure Island-like, for sure, and the book more or less defined the kind of idealized notion of piracy that One Piece is just drenched in. That's not even mentioning the more direct parallels. On top of what others have mentioned, Captain Flint from the book can be seen as a proto-Gold Roger, for example. I recommend at least trying it out!
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Long John Silver from Treasure Island gave rise to the parrot-rearing-single-legged pirate stereotype, along with the X on a treasure map and the 'Pirates set sail upon the high seas to reach an island full of buried treasure' pirate tale plot line, while Captain Hook made the… well, hook popular, and planted the false notion that pirates make their victims walk the plank.
Now I am wondering, where did the peg leg (Long John Silver actually used a boring crutch), and the Flying Dutchman tale came from?
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@le:
Now I am wondering, where did the peg leg (Long John Silver actually used a boring crutch), and the Flying Dutchman tale came from?
The Flying Dutchman is an old seafaring legend, so it's hard to pin down an exact source. There are many variations of the tale, but several of them do name "Van der Decken" as the ship's captain, so One Piece is accurate in that regard… but pretty much only in that regard. It really only because a specifically pirate-related legend AFTER the increase in popularity of pirate fiction, though, the versions that came before it were more open to interpretation. As for peglegs, they were an actual replacement for missing limbs before modern prosthetics, and even for some time after. They only really became associated with pirates because of how dangerous sailing could be, and so many seafarers went around with missing limbs. Though for a specific literary example of peglegs being associated with sailors, Captain Ahab from Moby-Dick is a really well known pegleg wearer. He wasn't a pirate, but he did help solidify the "salty captain" stereotype that pervades a great deal of nautical fiction. Also, I have to take some issue with your comment about Long John Silver's "boring crutch" considering at one point in the novel he uses it to break a man's spine by throwing it at him. That's pretty rad if you ask me.
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I'm sure it was posted here somewhere. But here it is again:
Luffy vs Akainue (fan art manga)
https://i.imgur.com/9MgBWSXl.pngIt is very inteseting for a fan art.
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Treasure Planet is a cool adaptation too
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I made a thread about that: http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=47992
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The final villain will be a rabbit moon goddess who is the source and progenitor of all Devil Fruits, and she'll enslave all humans on earth in giant tree roots in order to create the ultimate Devil Fruit tree.
Whoa Carrot's the final villain.
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Whoa Carrot's the final villain.
Super Saiyan God Super Sulong or Super Sulong Blue for short.
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So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
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Treasure Planet is a cool adaptation too
Treasure planet was awesome. A pity Disney dumped it before it was even in theatres. I also remember some old Anime about treasure Island. Silver was blonde there iirc.
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I feel like the final villain is either the Gorosei or Teach. Depends on which way Oda decides to take it of course but I think he'll go with the Gorosei. One Piece feels more like it's about changing the World Structure rather than beating One Man.
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Super Saiyan God Super Sulong or Super Sulong Blue for short.
SSG? Luffy would be killed in a second (2 seconds if he activated his G4)
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I'm sure it was posted here somewhere. But here it is again:
Luffy vs Akainue (fan art manga)
https://i.imgur.com/9MgBWSXl.pngIt is very inteseting for a fan art.
I like how the first page began with Lucci already jobbing to Luffy
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With the introduction of Im, do people still believe that Blackbeard will be the final villain? I've always said that he was Luffy's obstacle to attaining One Piece and now it looks like that assumption may not have been too far off. The final war won't be waged without Im.
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The final war won't be waged without Blackbeard either.
Nothing major has changed to me, Blackbeard is still the final boss. The only difference is that Im is the major representative of the WG instead of the Gorosei.
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Still Blackbeard. Im is like villain of the government conspiracy B-plot. I'm more curious about how Im and Blackbeard relate to each other. Im is clearly not a fan of BB, but will BB be involved woth toppling the head of the government? Personally I'd like the marines to do that, be it Akainu or whoever having taken enough bs. It's just hard to speculate about Im's role since things are still in the dark really. If Oda really wants to impress me he'll have Dragon or Sabo beat Im this very arc.
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Still Blackbeard. The guy that was introduced within the first 3 years of the series that has an entire crew of dark mirrors to Luffy's crew and has been responsible for the death of Luffy's brother and the shaking of the era, who has taunted Luffy multiple times now as "not ready yet", has the unique double devil fruit thing going on, whose crew has just ravaged the revolutionaries, and who is going to kill Luffy's mentor.
It's still Blackbeard. As opposed the hidden shadow guy no one even knows exists.
Im just ties into the lost history and gives the marines someone to actually deal with when their civil war happens.
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Based on what we know from the story, It should be a team up of Either Sabo, Law, Robin to defeat Im, or Dragon, robin, law.
Based on what Im( is it imu or im?) did to ohara and white city, robin will find all poneglyphs and reveal the true history, while law will undo Imu's operation of immortality.
Also the goal of revolutionaries to take down CDs.
There is also the key importance of the throne, someone else may be able to take the throne away from Im.
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Chronologically, One Piece has to be found before the final war can start. One Piece will be found on Raftel. The final war looks like it will take place at Marie Geoise. Looking at those two things, I can't see how Luffy and Blackbeard end up fighting over One Piece on Raftel while the final war against the WG goes on somewhere else.
To me, it makes more sense for Luffy to defeat BB, obtain OP and the true history of the world, gather his alliance and head to Marie Geoise where Im, the Gorosei, the Marines, and all of the WG resources will be.
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I'd like to think it's Blackbeard, but the government was introduced as a troublesome force before he was - so I think there is foreshadowing for a government baddie as well. You could counter that argument by saying that Alvida was the first villain, which foreshadows pirate villainy - but she has nothing to do with BB - and really Higuma was the first villain anyway.
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Also agree heavily on Teach. He's simply been set up since well early on in the series, having a character that only appears 900 chapters in, even if he's been slightly foreshadowed, would feel rather cheap, at least to me. Even the World Government itself wasn't presented as much of a threat until Water 7 and things like the Celestial Dragons or CP0 were only introduced much later.
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I'd like to this it's Blackbeard, but the government was introduced as a troublesome force before he was - so I think there is foreshadowing for a government baddie as well. You could counter that argument by saying that Alvida was the first villain, which foreshadows pirate villainy - but she has nothing to do with BB - and really Higuma was the first villain anyway.
You could also counter that by saying Shanks' appearance in Chapter 1 in and of itself foreshadowed Blackbeard before the Marines' introduction one or two chapters later because of the scars in Shanks' design.
Also, Blackbeard was memtioned by Drum citizens and Ace before the World Government was first hinted at as an entity during the end of Alabasta. Until then, we only knew about the Marines as a faction and little-to-nothing about the actual government they served under.
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You could also counter that by saying Shanks' appearance in Chapter 1 in and of itself foreshadowed Blackbeard before the Marines' introduction one or two chapters later because of the scars in Shanks' design.
That's stretching the definition of forshadowing a lot. I wouldn't say Shanks chapter 1 forshadowed Blackbeard anymore than he forshadowed yonkos.
Heck wasn't he supposed to die originally?
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For sure the WG looks much bigger and stronger then normal yonkou crews, making them the bigger threat. Not only in numbers but amount of top tiers and who knows how strong gorosei and IM are.
Luffy already looks like he has much stronger allies then the other yonkous. Like BB needs to get someone besides pinkbeard, first allies of BB introduced and they got beat up by milk lady & co.
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That's stretching the definition of forshadowing a lot. I wouldn't say Shanks chapter 1 forshadowed Blackbeard anymore than he forshadowed yonkos.
Heck wasn't he supposed to die originally?
You show a major character with a weird scar, and we're going to find out how they got that scar eventually. And it has a 99% chance if being significant to at least one story arc. So I would count it.
I wouldn't count it as anything too big or specific. But Shanks was clearly a strong guy. So his scar hints at the dangers in piracy and a potential reveal. Not final villain end of the world danger specifically, but still big danger later on. It works for me.
Weren't we originally supposed to have Garp and Pinkbeard in Chapter One too?
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