Who is the final villain in One Piece? 2.0

hosemisnuba

As the previous thread's poll has ended, I thought it would be a good idea to resurrect the topic in a new thread with a new poll. The question is, as the thread title implies: who is the final villain? Is it Blackbeard, Marshall D. Teach, the anti-Luffy? Is it Akainu, Sakazuki, the fascist dog? Is it the Gorosei, the OP world leaders focused on keeping the Grand Line in a constant state of Detente? Is it Kaidou, the strongest creature? Is it Big Mom, the homicidal mommy? Is it the red hair, Shanks (Probably Not), Luffy's role model? Is it the seventh shichibukai, the injurer of Zephyr? Is it Kong, the man right below the Gorosei? Or, is it Dragon (plot twist)(probably not)? Or, is another individual, like Zombie Ace? Cast your votes, state your reasoning, and discuss one of the most exciting questions in One Piece.

! It's obviously Blackbeard, but I didn't want to spoil the fun

RamistaR

The last villain will without a doubt be the One Piece itself…

Qaaz

Last Villain I will say between Blackbeard and Akainu (not clear yet what will happen first, War with Marines/WG before or after Luffy arive to Raftel? Maybe even something else as scenario.)

But last FIGHT will be with Shanks

hosemisnuba

@The:

But last FIGHT will be with Shanks

I'm of the opinion that Shanks and co will get killed by the Blackbeards right before Luffy and co get to meet the Red Hairs.

Thebomer93

WG looks like they are been set up as the final villain so I will say then.

DollarScholar

Blackbeard feels like the logical choice right now, but i do believe that the final arc will be some kind of 3-way collision between the marines, strawhats and blackbeard pirates.

Also, kudos to you hose for not feeling obligated to include Coby and/or Smoker as valid alternatives.

NineEleven

Imo Blackbeard is Luffy's ultimate personal opponent while Akainu and the World Government are the last.

Aaronrules380

@DollarScholar:

Blackbeard feels like the logical choice right now, but i do believe that the final arc will be some kind of 3-way collision between the marines, strawhats and blackbeard pirates.

Also, kudos to you hose for not feeling obligated to include Coby and/or Smoker as valid alternatives.

Final arc will probably have more than just 3 factions. Strawhats, their allies, Marine reformers, World Government, Blackbeard pirates, and possibly even the revolutionaries should all be involved

Jules197

From the clues that we have been given so far, the World Government will definitely be the last opponent. I mean, before his death Whitebeard straight out said that a great war will take place as soon as someone finds the One Piece, and that the Marines and the World Government live in fear of that day.

My vote goes to the Gorosei, because the Pirate King will destroy the World Government itself, not the Marines - of course, the Straw Hats and their allies will have to face the Marines, because they are the military force of the Government; but I don't think defeating Akainu, or any Marine for that matter, would solve anything, for as long as the Gorosei exist, so will the World Government.

Shadowgreed

The system !

ARTEMlS

I nominate the Mother of all Devil Fruits / Proto Nami Goddess for the final boss!

She's Joy Boy's Mother and totally a fully fledged-out character who fits perfectly into the flow of the story.

valiantt

@Bartholemew:

I nominate the Mother of all Devil Fruits / Proto Nami Goddess for the final boss!

She's Joy Boy's Mother and totally a fully fledged-out character who fits perfectly into the flow of the story.

Oh yeah, she'll come RIGHT out of nowhere right after BB turns out to be a sympathetic character with a homoerotic relationship with Whitebeard (who comes back as one of Moria's zombies) and Akainu is just a mislead guy with a dead pirate girlfriend.

Oh and she's friends with Moria who was behind EVERYTHING all along for several centuries for reasons unexplained. And…um yeah! Great final villain huh?

Master Killer

@Bartholemew:

I nominate the Mother of all Devil Fruits / Proto Nami Goddess for the final boss!

She's Joy Boy's Mother and totally a fully fledged-out character who fits perfectly into the flow of the story.

You read a lot of Naruto xD

ArmamentHero

I'll say Akainu.

DollarScholar

@Bartholemew:

I nominate the Mother of all Devil Fruits / Proto Nami Goddess for the final boss!

She's Joy Boy's Mother and totally a fully fledged-out character who fits perfectly into the flow of the story.

Devil Fruits are in fact literal fruit from the devils garden (wich is on raftel).
Yeah, i also think the Devil is getting fucking pissed at all the humans for constantly stealing his fruit. I heard the devil is a HUGE fan of fruits, he eats one with every meal of the day and often just as a healthy snack. It keeps his blood sugar levels in check, and he´s HAD IT with all the humans whoi like vultures raid his plantation and pick the branches clean.

Razh

@Bartholemew:

I nominate the Mother of all Devil Fruits / Proto Nami Goddess for the final boss!

She's Joy Boy's Mother and totally a fully fledged-out character who fits perfectly into the flow of the story.

But she's not the one pulling the strings. Sengoku's goat, along with Stronger the horse, has been planning her return. I'm not sure, but even Hattori, Lucci's pidgeon and T-rex, Iceburg's hamster might be in on it.

giantsquid

I'm of the opinion that Garp should be the one to take out Akainu

OneKey

The shots…the shots have been fired everywhere. You guys are Dofling my Mingo.

AtomBreaker

Teach no doubt. .

Jabra

Blackbeard feels like the logical choice, but…

Oda mentioned that Marineford is nothing compared to what he has in store for the final war, and the Government seems to be the better pick through sheer numbers and famous names alone. 4 Admiral level opponents, several already known and established Vice Admirals and a ton of Pacifista to keep Luffy's allied captains in check. Blackbeard will have his army, but it's hard to imagine that he will top the combined forces of the Government.
Blackbeard is obviously Luffy's top rival when it comes to finding One Piece, nothing to debate there. But that combined with Rayleigh's words "you could change nothing as you are now" hints that the real fun begins once Luffy beats Blackbeard, which, at this point, can only mean destroying the World Government. This is also the major reason why I can't see a BB vs. SHs vs. Government scenario.

Anyway, I think having 2 top villains waiting at the end is a great concept, and it surely feels like Oda is having fun building them up.

Still voting Teach though since "Government" isn't an option (and "other" always looks like the "I don't care option")

hosemisnuba

@Jabra:

Blackbeard feels like the logical choice, but…

Oda mentioned that Marineford is nothing compared to what he has in store for the final war, and the Government seems to be the better pick through sheer numbers and famous names alone. 4 Admiral level opponents, several already known and established Vice Admirals and a ton of Pacifista to keep Luffy's allied captains in check. Blackbeard will have his army, but it's hard to imagine that he will top the combined forces of the Government.

Blackbeard is obviously Luffy's top rival when it comes to finding One Piece, nothing to debate there. But that combined with Rayleigh's words "you could change nothing as you are now" hints that the real fun begins once Luffy beats Blackbeard, which, at this point, can only mean destroying the World Government. This is also the major reason why I can't see a BB vs. SHs vs. Government scenario.

Anyway, I think having 2 top villains waiting at the end is a great concept, and it surely feels like Oda is having fun building them up.

Still voting Teach though since "Government" isn't an option (and "other" always looks like the "I don't care option")

Well, there was the Gorosei, but your already voted, so…. yeah.

Razh

@Jabra:

Blackbeard is obviously Luffy's top rival when it comes to finding One Piece, nothing to debate there. But that combined with Rayleigh's words "you could change nothing as you are now" hints that the real fun begins once Luffy beats Blackbeard, which, at this point, can only mean destroying the World Government. This is also the major reason why I can't see a BB vs. SHs vs. Government scenario.

This always seemed like a good possibility. Like you said, the fun starts once Luffy beats Blackbeard. And his final enemy isn't just one captain or one admiral, but the establishment of WG.
But there would still need to be someone strong for Luffy's last fight, it's shounen after all. I don't see Akainu as the one. Smoker and Coby either. And someone new would be a little too much. I don't know.

I'd like it if that new Shichibukai turned out to be a major villain. I know, a Shichibukai betraying WG isn't exactly a fresh concept, but they weren't to be trusted from the start.

DARK_RITUAL

I would've voted for World government but it's not in the option. Gorosie or Kong is not WG, they are just part of WG. So yeah whoever that made that list messed up, they won't be anything like final villain since the final fight would be a war between Strawhats and an organization meaning they could be multiple villains within the war luffy has to fight against.

MJR.

Whitebeard said when the One Piece is found, which will be after Luffy fought Blackbeard, a massive war will break out.

This war will be Pirates vs Marines and that's why I think the last Villian will be Akainu.
Plus Akainu killed Ace. This bolsters my theory though you never know with Oda.

Jabra

@hosemisnuba:

Well, there was the Gorosei, but your already voted, so…. yeah.

Yeah, but the problem I have with "The Gorosei" or "Akainu" is that they don't really reflect the whole system, even if they are at the top of it. Yes, it's nitpicky.

hosemisnuba

@MJR.:

Whitebeard said when the One Piece is found, which will be after Luffy fought Blackbeard, a massive war will break out

Luffy and Blackbeard don't necessarily need to fight at Raftel. Blackbeard might lack the ability to hear the voices, an ability that Luffy does possess, and be unable to find Raftel. This would lead to Luffy becoming Pirate King before Blackbeard, Blackbeard's dreams being crushed, and Blackbeard seeking to take Luffy's title by killing him. To me, tjis make the most thematic sense, but that's just my opinion.

ZanaZ

Like others said before, I'm in the 'other ' category. I think it'll be the Gorosei.
Once They reach Raftel and after Blackbeard and possible Yonkou are defeated, The crew and their allies will fight the highest tier of the WG.

After the True History is revealed they might have even more reason to fight them, especially Robin. The 5 Gorosai, Kong, Admirals, Shichibukai, etc;. Would make for an extremely good final war group.

Light Bro

While Blackbeard is built up to be the final villain, I have to admit that he doesn't feel like one from a philosophical point of view. He and Luffy are very similar; they're both dreamers, they both want to become the Pirate King, they're both willing to challenge the world for their dreams etc… The only real differences between them are that Blackbeard is far more sadistic and immoral and fears death. Luffy doesn't like evil pirates like him but he doesn't actively fight them unless they threaten or hurt his friends. That or they kill their own crewmates while Blackbeard seems to care about them for some extent. The Government is really the one who directly stands against Luffy's ideals of freedom with it's tyrannical order.

hosemisnuba

@Light:

While Blackbeard is built up to be the final villain, I have to admit that he doesn't feel like one from a philosophical point of view. He and Luffy are very similar; they're both dreamers, they both want to become the Pirate King, they're both willing to challenge the world for their dreams etc… The only real differences between them are that Blackbeard is far more sadistic and immoral and fears death. Luffy doesn't like evil pirates like him but he doesn't actively fight them unless they threaten or hurt his friends. That or they kill their own crewmates while Blackbeard seems to care about them for some extent. The Government is really the one who directly stands against Luffy's ideals of freedom with it's tyrannical order.

From my perception, Luffy is representative of freedom, Blackbeard is chaos, and the World Government is Tyrannical Law. Basically, the decision for final villain is something like freedom versus chaos or freedom versus law. I like the former, to be frank. I'd rather have the final battle be about two sides of the same coin than a quarter and a dime, but to all his own I guess. All I'm saying is, Luffy versus Blackbeard does have thematic significance as a final battle.

Jabra

@Razh:

But there would still need to be someone strong for Luffy's last fight, it's shounen after all. I don't see Akainu as the one.

Yeah, I guess. Blackbeard will be hard to top.
But I could see Akainu being the tougher matchup simply due to the nature of Luffy's Devil fruit (weak against heat, maybe unaffected by vibrations). That aside, Akainu would need some truly great onpanel victory against someone big, considering that BB will almost certainly get rid of a certain someone.

ArmamentHero

Blackbeard and Akainu will both be at the tail end of One Piece, so no matter what route the story goes; it'll be exciting.

Pinelark

I'm going to go with Blackbeard as it stands right now. I firmly believe Blackbeard has the goal of shaking the world up, but for worse, not better. His name has D. for a reason, even if Whitebeard declared him to not be one the ones "Roger is waiting for".

This hunch just leads me to believe Blackbeard wants to tear apart the World Gov't, but instead of for a good reason, he'd probably do it with the intent of trying to descend the world either into madness or subject it to his rule.

MasterKingJC

The final villain will be a rabbit moon goddess who is the source and progenitor of all Devil Fruits, and she'll enslave all humans on earth in giant tree roots in order to create the ultimate Devil Fruit tree.

ArmamentHero

@MasterKingJC:

The final villain will be a rabbit moon goddess who is the source and progenitor of all Devil Fruits, and she'll enslave all humans on earth in giant tree roots in order to create the ultimate Devil Fruit tree.

This is funny.

!

hosemisnuba

@Jabra:

Yeah, I guess. Blackbeard will be hard to top. But I could see Akainu being the tougher matchup simply due to the nature of Luffy's Devil fruit (weak against heat, maybe unaffected by vibrations). That aside, Akainu would need some truly great onpanel victory against someone big, considering that BB will almost certainly get rid of a certain someone.

You mean Shanks, right?

Monkey King

@MJR.:

Whitebeard said when the One Piece is found, which will be after Luffy fought Blackbeard, a massive war will break out.

No it won't .

ArmamentHero

Shanks dying at the hands of Blackbeard is a common theory/belief of the One Piece fandom. I wouldn't be surprised if the story went that route.

Monkey King

@Light:

While Blackbeard is built up to be the final villain, I have to admit that he doesn't feel like one from a philosophical point of view. He and Luffy are very similar; they're both dreamers, they both want to become the Pirate King, they're both willing to challenge the world for their dreams etc… The only real differences between them are that Blackbeard is far more sadistic and immoral and fears death. Luffy doesn't like evil pirates like him but he doesn't actively fight them unless they threaten or hurt his friends. That or they kill their own crewmates while Blackbeard seems to care about them for some extent. The Government is really the one who directly stands against Luffy's ideals of freedom with it's tyrannical order.

You just made the argument as to exactly why Blackbeard is philosophically the final villain.

carcanclaw

Blackbeard will be Luffy's final opponent before claiming OP.

So far, I feel like the second half of OP has been about Luffy gathering up outside supporters, similar to Whitebeard's 43 allied crews. I think that, by the time we reach the last arc, Akainu will have taken over Kong's position and disposed of the Gorosei, making it a truly climactic fight. Luffy and his allies vs the entirety of the WG.

Monkey King

@carcanclaw:

Blackbeard will be Luffy's final opponent before claiming OP.

Nope .

Razh

I think Blackbeard might be Luffy's final opponent before he claims One Piece.:ninja:

Silverblade

Teach.

! Raftel is going to be only the beginning of the end.

Jules197

@Monkey:

Nope .

Glad to see a guy who can definitely have a logical argument and is able to clearly explain why he disagrees with someone else's point of view. Bravo!

ARTEMlS

@MJR.:

Whitebeard said when the One Piece is found, which will be after Luffy fought Blackbeard, a massive war will break out.

To be fair, I can actually see this happen - with the emphasis on 'fought' instead of 'defeated'. But Blackbeard completely defeated before the actual final war even started… Seriously?

Johnny B. Decent

I believe not only is it Blackbeard, I also believe during the war that the discovery of the One Piece creates, he shall be the one to raze Marejoia to the ground and destroy the World Government's control of the world.

The WG is akin to a old, withered tree. It's deep roots keeps it up straight, it it's rotten to the core d i's peak has passed. One spark of fire will burn that thing to ashes, and Blackbeard is that spark.

ZoroXTashigi

@Jabra:

Yeah, I guess. Blackbeard will be hard to top.
But I could see Akainu being the tougher matchup simply due to the nature of Luffy's Devil fruit (weak against heat, maybe unaffected by vibrations). That aside, Akainu would need some truly great onpanel victory against someone big, considering that BB will almost certainly get rid of a certain someone.

I can't take this … Luffy weak against heat & sword? If we compared rubber with human skin & flesh, which one more weak against heat & sword? Not to mention Luffy will possess strong COA and already have red hawk attack (use fire).

Ne0

Blackbeard = Archetype of Pure Evil
World Government = Archetype of Corrupt Tyrant

Light Bro

@Monkey:

You just made the argument as to exactly why Blackbeard is philosophically the final villain.

Yes, he's a great counterpart to Luffy, but aside from their attitude towards death they don't exactly contrast each other. Luffy doesn't enjoy chaos and mayhem, but he doesn't directly fight it unless his loved ones are in line. And he's willing to cause it himself for their sake too.

If there's anyone who are contrasting against Blackbeard's ideas of freedom, it would be the revolutionaries. They're the ones messing with the system for the sake of everyone. Strawhats do it for their dreams. Blackbeards do the same - just with more glee and casualties.

Just saying tough. I ain't arguing over his role in the endgame.

Of course, there's also Will of the D. Maybe that will change things when we figure out what it means.

RamistaR

@Silverblade:

Teach.

! [qimg]http://i62.tinypic.com/slqvpe.jpg[/qimg]Raftel is going to be only the beginning of the end.

LoooooooooL I apply right away.

Darth

@Jabra:

Yeah, I guess. Blackbeard will be hard to top.
But I could see Akainu being the tougher matchup simply due to the nature of Luffy's Devil fruit (weak against heat, maybe unaffected by vibrations). That aside, Akainu would need some truly great onpanel victory against someone big, considering that BB will almost certainly get rid of a certain someone.

You know what I'm curious about?

How did anyone reading Marineford arc had come to the conclusion that Blackbeard is more dangerous and stronger of the two.