The PlayStation Thread

Robby

@No:

What ?

I can vividly remember the PS3 being launched, they're doing another one ?

5-7 years between systems is the usual life cycle of a console generation, and the PS3 came out in 2006! Sony promised it was going to be a 10 year system, but it actually IS about time to start developing a new one for release in 2 or 3 years… even if we don't really need the generational upgrade yet.

It just doesn't feel like it because its been that long because still hasn't been truly tapped yet. The high price point of the PS3 initally, and the huge installed base of the PS2 kept the PS2 dominant a lot longer into the life of the new system. PS2 still had great new games coming out up until maybe a year or two ago... and its still getting ports of some games now.

So a lot of people are still on the PS2 and only just now getting ready to make the hop to the PS3 and hi-def televisions and whatnot, and blue ray still isn't really the dominant format compared to dvd and stuff. Plus, a "next gen" hardware jump might be able to produce better graphics (so that it looks like fmv all the time) , but it'll never be as huge a graphic visual leap again as it has been in the past, since we're already getting photoreal movie quality super elaborate visuals that take developers years to create.

It'll never be Nintendo-Super Nintendo or Genesis-Saturn or PS-PS2 jumps in quality again. Even the switch from PS2-PS3, while allowing for more elaborate visuals and bigger enemies and stuff, still wasn't a huge leap from what the PS2 could do at its best.

Darkstorm

This sounds pretty bogus. I've always said the other two competitors would be 1 year after the first to blink, and since nintendo have said 2012, 2013 sounds the most reasonable for Sony & MS. They're only now starting to make money on the PS3, this timeline with manufacturing this year means they would have to have been planning on this since before the first rumblings of the new ninty console came out, which makes no sense whatsoever.

Urouge

This is so fake that even the guy who wrote the article thinks it's fake.

Sakonosolo

I wouldn't put it past them to have motion control since that's been the "big thing" as of late.

Robby

So, I finally managed to bypass Sony's apparently downed server in order to reset the password on my PSstore account. I've bee trying off and on for a month to reset my password, and it always just sends me here
https://store.playstation.com/login.gvm
I suppose if I had a PS3 account this would have been a non-issue, but… In the end, rather than go to the link THEY provided, I had to do a whole messy email forwarding thing and that kind of sucked.

So, I finally get into the store, and the two free games are still available! Time to grab Little Big Planet and... whatever else!

Oh. Wait. Except for the fact that, if I delete everything currently on my psp's memory, save files, Suikoden 1, music, everything (and I already deleted the Dissidia stored data) and basically completely clear out EVERYTHING on my system...

I still can't hold even one of the games available for download. Well, I can hold one of them, as the smallest one is 600 meg, but only if I delete Suikoden. And the others are all well over a gig. And I do not have over a gig of memory on this thing. (The saddest part being 1GB is STILL an upgrade of memory from the measley 32 MB the system originally came with!)

Thaaaanks Sony. Could you make it one of the old PS1 games instead? Or the PSP intended downloadable games? I mean, I can't complain about a free game... except when they offer it and I can't actually even consider touching it, let alone playing it.

So, I guess I have to go out and spend 20 bucks on a 4 GB memory stick to play a free game? I wouldn't mind having the extra space and all, but, beyond this one ocassion I generally haven't needed that much space on my psp, which I rarely play any more.

Darkstorm

If you ever decide to homebrew it's a good investment. I managed to pick up a 16gb at the same cost as my 2gb one cost me in 2009 thanks to the duo standard dropping like a stone(another brilliant propriety tech there sony, good job), so I've got about a quarter of my psp games on it.

Saves me from hemming and hawing about which psp game to take with me to work in the morning and missing my train.

Robby

Yeah, upon looking at it, memory prices have dropped like crazy since the PSP originally came out.

I'm not likely to ever go homebrew though. just sounds like more complication and chance of bricking than I'm comfortable with.

Buuhan1

I'm still dumbfounded at the amount of people who go around saying "We won't get PS4 till 2016, Sony said the PS3 is going to be for 10 years!" It doesn't matter how much you tell them, they can't seem to comprehend that Sony meant the PS3 will have at least 10 years of support, as the PS2 did, not that it'll be the main system for 10 years.

RuNa

I always felt that 2014 would seem more likely. Sony would announce it in 2013 and it would come out in 2014.

Akumu

I still hold we won't see the PS4 till 2015 at the earliest.

Console life used to be 5-7 years, but in this era of automatic updates, that life is extended at least 3 years as it's easier to keep the console current.

If Sony releases a new console just to update graphics, then they're wasting money. Nintendo's system is going to be more powerful, yes, but there won't be that great of a difference.

Neither Sony nor Microsoft is innovative enough to release a console that will change the way people play games. That's Nintendo's territory. And both have already shown that they don't need to release new consoles to mimic Nintendo's ideas.

So for what reason could Sony possibly have to release a new system? (Microsoft I can understand, because they could actually improve power of the 360 by a substantial amount, and they need to fix that Red Ring of Death situation.)

Sony might be drafting up ideas now, but until the WiiU is out and they can see how it's received and just how much competition it will provide they won't have a gameplan. They certainly won't even be announcing anything until the 2014 E3 at the earliest

Dark Lord Zenigame

Japanese PSN store is finally back up, for those who care.

Now to decide what games to get…

Buuhan1

I got the Last Guy (played a demo ages ago, didn't care for it, but I had everything else) and Echocrome for PS3, and Patapon 2 along with Everybody's Stress Reliever (think that's the accurate title) for PSP. I was considering What Did I Do To Deserve This My Lord!? 2 but it didn't look like my type of game, while the stress reliever game looked all kinds of nuts from youtube videos I've seen. It is a collection of mini-games that just look out there. I've seen the typical such as baseball and boxing, but then the stranger of vaccuming and running around as a tiny guy in a kitchen slicing up vegetables Dynasty Warriors style.

Darkstorm

@Akumu:

I still hold we won't see the PS4 till 2015 at the earliest.

Console life used to be 5-7 years, but in this era of automatic updates, that life is extended at least 3 years as it's easier to keep the console current.

If Sony releases a new console just to update graphics, then they're wasting money. Nintendo's system is going to be more powerful, yes, but there won't be that great of a difference.

Enough of a difference to lose out on exclusives, which are the lifeblood of a platform. Multiplat would suffer too.

@Akumu:

Neither Sony nor Microsoft is innovative enough to release a console that will change the way people play games. That's Nintendo's territory. And both have already shown that they don't need to release new consoles to mimic Nintendo's ideas.

Move has been a total failure, and no developer is going to be brave enough to release a game that's kinect exclusive unless they're financially backed by MS.

@Akumu:

Sony might be drafting up ideas now, but until the WiiU is out and they can see how it's received and just how much competition it will provide they won't have a gameplan. They certainly won't even be announcing anything until the 2014 E3 at the earliest

They literally can't wait that long. Waiting just a year this time around allowed the 360 time to get entrenched and put them into a dogfight against the wii and lose out on sales in japan. Sony won't make that mistake again.

Dark Lord Zenigame

@Buuhan1:

I got the Last Guy (played a demo ages ago, didn't care for it, but I had everything else) and Echocrome for PS3, and Patapon 2 along with Everybody's Stress Reliever (think that's the accurate title) for PSP. I was considering What Did I Do To Deserve This My Lord!? 2 but it didn't look like my type of game, while the stress reliever game looked all kinds of nuts from youtube videos I've seen. It is a collection of mini-games that just look out there. I've seen the typical such as baseball and boxing, but then the stranger of vaccuming and running around as a tiny guy in a kitchen slicing up vegetables Dynasty Warriors style.

Hm, you make it sound kind of interesting.

As for me, I have no idea what to get so I'm just grabbing the demos for what I can, and checking niconico and/or youtube for the ones that don't have demos.

Yay indecision and all that.

Akumu

Darkstorm, We've already had this conversation. I find it hilarious we're about to repeat it.

It started here (sort of) and then continued on.

Let's not have it again, eh? Let's just sit back and wait. I mean, at the very least we can agree that we won't be seeing anything till the 2013 E3, right?

Kitsune Inferno

Wait, what? Didn't Move push 8 million units? I don't see how that's a total failure.

Darkstorm

Hardware sales mean nothing. How many successful games are there made just for move("move required").

Cyber-Robin

I bet 99% of those sales were people expecting something to come of it. I got the Move and the Navi controller and feel like it was a waste of money. Was expecting them to have at least released a couple of games by now. (like spellbound or whaever.)

Also picked up Half Minute Hero for £5 new today. Looking forward to having a try of it later.

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ok yeah. Half Minute Hero is pretty damn awesome.

Tizoc

If anyone's interested, SEGA Rally Online is a simple and relaxing racing game on PSN. It's 1 GB. tHERE are only 4 tracks but the controlling of the vehicles is rather tight.

Cyber-Robin

And now I got Star Ocean. Only Tactics Ogre, KH and Star Ocean 2 to pick up (at LEAST) and I have everything I want for the PSP.

Now I'm gonna never play them bwahahaha. Decided to play some Suikoden and Suikoden 2 a few days back and enjoying them lol

Buuhan1

I know I splurged when I got my PSP only to never play the games I got. XD

Cyber-Robin

@Buuhan1:

I know I splurged when I got my PSP only to never play the games I got. XD

Pretty much what I did. I don't feel so bad considering most of these are like £2-£5 each. But I'm kinda in a mood to go through a load of games I played when I was younger (even if it was just a lil) and FF Tactics, Tactics Ogre (I played a GBA one I think) and Star Ocean 2 were these so.

KaizokuFan22

Is Multiplayer for Bomberman Ultra only meant for people on the same system?

SonPan

For all you bollywood fans out there… looks like bollywood's first video game will be released in a few months. It'll be a prequel to the upcoming superhero-scifi movie "Ra-One" starring Shah Rukh Khan...
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6323396.html?tag=newsticker%3Bheadline%3B1
for anyone who cares lol

Sakonosolo

Does it have DDR-esque dance numbers?

Buuhan1

I hear it is a ripoff of inFAMOUS down to the finest detail, but I haven't actually watched any of it myself. Interestingly enough, it is also going to be released on the PS2, potentially making it the final PS2 game.

SonPan

It doesnt have dance numbers and we havnt really seen a trailer of the game yet, so I dont know if it would be a rip. But the movie itself- yes SRK has powers similar to Tron/Uncharted… so the gameplay may be similar lol

Smudger

Looking for a new ps3 controller made by another company. I'm tempted to get something by thrustmaster, but i want to know if any of you have tried and recommend any other makes.

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Suicu

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Cyber-Robin

Just wondering if anyone made a better battery for the PSP yet? I seem to get about an hour or two at most from mine.

Daichi

@Cyber-Robin:

Just wondering if anyone made a better battery for the PSP yet? I seem to get about an hour or two at most from mine.

Depends on what model you have. I have a PSP 3000 and the battery life is pretty decent. When I had a 1000 model it lasted about 2 hours though, so the only way you'd be able to get more battery is to buy a different model.

Cyber-Robin

yeah I think mine's a 1000. Whichever one was out in 2005

Buuhan1

I know there's a fat battery you can buy (it sticks out and the battery lid can't be attached), but I'm not sure if it is compatible with all models.

KaizokuJinbei

I probably won't get a Vita unless they give games that would be worth getting the console for it's not all that impressive to me I will give it that the graphics seem pretty good considering it's a handheld. But it really doesn't bring anything new we already have touch screen gameplay (DS) so it's really just a PSP with a touch screen (and touch thingy on the back)

And a quick question is VITA a disk console like the PSP ordo you have to download games like PSP Go?

Green_vs_Red

@KaizokuJinbei:

But it really doesn't bring anything new we already have touch screen gameplay (DS) so it's really just a PSP with a touch screen (and touch thingy on the back)

But unlike the PSP it'll be competitively priced which will make it easier to buy.

@KaizokuJinbei:

And a quick question is VITA a disk console like the PSP

It'll use game cards instead of UMD's.

Aaronrules380

3DS is getting a price cut appearently though. And doesn't Vita cost just as much as the psp did at first for the non 3g models? Honestly, I'm still curious about just how awful its battery life will be. Even if its the same as the 3DS, that'll still give the 3DS an advantage because there are already tons of accesories that can double or triple 3ds battery life, whereas vita's battery isn't even removable. Vita will need really good games, and ones that people can't just get for the ps3 already.

Green_vs_Red

@Aaronrules380:

3DS is getting a price cut appearently though.

Yea because Nintendo's desperate to make the 3DS relevant (again) after screwing up it's launch of the system and everything else.

@Aaronrules380:

And doesn't Vita cost just as much as the psp did at first for the non 3g models?

PSP costed 200 dollars at launch.

@Aaronrules380:

Even if its the same as the 3DS, that'll still give the 3DS an advantage because there are already tons of accesories that can double or triple 3ds battery life, whereas vita's battery isn't even removable.

Three ways this can potentially play out

1.Vita's battery life with be better than 3DS's battery life
2. It'll be the same or worse.
2. Sony will release an updated model of the system which will have better battery battery life at the potential cost of less features.

@Aaronrules380:

Vita will need really good games, and ones that people can't just get for the ps3 already.

Most people played non PSP games on their system than anything else so…..

Aaronrules380

You say PSP costed $200? Then Vita costs more anyways. Cost isn't something you can only consider by comparison. And that still makes the competitive pricing gap between the 3DS and the Vita the same as the DS and the PSP when they both came out
And the problem with Vita's battery life is that chances are it will be abyssmal, and adding an accessory to up the battery life is impossible. And what do you mean by non PSP games? Do you mean the downloadable stuff like ps1 games? Because that really won't be enough for it to get ahead.
And in terms of successfulness, it'd be pretty difficult for Vita to win for one big reason: Sony is almost certainly selling the Vita at a loss, whereas Nintendo is selling the 3DS at a gain. Sony must sell enough vita games to make up for the losses incurred on the system, then sell even more to make a profit. I'm not saying the Vita will fail, but it'll need a great game library to really do so

KaizokuFan22

played the demo of No More Heroes 3.. this is my first time playing a No more heroes game..so this should be fun
dont understand the Casino slot portion yet..but so far the game is interesting LOL
the graphics are cool. but for beginners the R3 mode may take awhile to master.

Buuhan1

You have not truly played No More Heroes until you played it with motion controls. Gah, the Dualshock controls are awful but I can't afford to buy a Move. ><

Btw, the slot machine mechanic triggers whenever you perform a finisher (where an arrow appears on an opponent and you have to slash in that direction) and if you get three of the same icons in a row you get a Darkside Mode, think of it as a rage mode like in other games, except there's various different Darksides depending on which icons you matched up and each one focuses on a unique ability. In the original Wii game the Darkside mode triggered automatically when earned, but in Heroes' Paradise it is something you have to trigger and you can even stack various Darkside modes up to use later, which is awesome cause in the Wii game you often got Darkside in a situation you didn't need to and ultimately wasted it. I dunno how to trigger Darkside in Heroes' Paradise as I haven't played it enough, but I'm sure the game tells you.

Green_vs_Red

@Aaronrules380:

You say PSP costed $200? Then Vita costs more anyways. Cost isn't something you can only consider by comparison. And that still makes the competitive pricing gap between the 3DS and the Vita the same as the DS and the PSP when they both came out

Edit: Checked the Nintendo thread and like I said before Nintendo's desperate as hell to keep the 3DS relevant. Question is will gamers be crazy enough to buy a handheld which is still trying to prove it's worth beyond being able playing games in 3D.

@Aaronrules380:

And the problem with Vita's battery life is that chances are it will be abyssmal, and adding an accessory to up the battery life is impossible.

Which is why I mentioned why they could release a new model that fixes that.

@Aaronrules380:

And what do you mean by non PSP games?

Do you mean the downloadable stuff like ps1 games? Because that really won't be enough for it to get ahead.

I was referring to the system's ability to run emulated games but that too.

@Aaronrules380:

And in terms of successfulness, it'd be pretty difficult for Vita to win for one big reason: Sony is almost certainly selling the Vita at a loss,

Given what happened with the PS3 initially I wouldn't rule this out but just like the PS3 they can take the hit.

@Aaronrules380:

I'm not saying the Vita will fail, but it'll need a great game library to really do so

As long as they avoid all the problems that Nintendo's currently having with the 3DS it can succeed (potentially).

Cyber-Robin

My problem with the Vita atm is

A: Lack of interesting games announced. Or if it is slightly interesting it's on the PS3 anyways. 3DS at least had a couple of good titles announced when revealed. For a console that's supposed to be due out in a few months this worries me.
B: No playback on PSP titles it seems. (I'm sure I'll get the opportunity to buy them again however.)
Far too expensive. No way am I paying over £200 at launch for a handheld games console again. Not after the PSP and the 3DS.

Also note that I buy consoles purely for the games. I have little interest in watching TV etc. That's why I own a TV. No interest in having 3G. That's why I own a phone. So I'm not gonna buy a console purely because of those features.

Green_vs_Red

@Cyber-Robin:

3DS at least had a couple of good titles announced when revealed.]

That's really what hurt 3DS in my opinion

"Oh wow they got Kid Icarus: Uprising, Legend Of Zelda OOT,&Starfox 64 too bad none of them are launching with the system".

I mean you don't have to have a deep pool of good launch titles when you're launching your system you can get by (for sometime) with just having one or two good launch titles.

The original Gameboy to it's credit launched with Super Mario Land & Tetris.
The DS launched with Super Mario 64 (which I personally didn't like due to spotty controls on the DS)
The 3DS launched with….nothing of note I think Japan may have gotten a slightly fairer shake.

You can make the argument that when you launch a system you need to have games to build up the system in the months and years following the launch. But at sametime you need good games to launch with the system otherwise it's all sizzle and no steak like the 3DS launch lineup. We don't know at the moment what games Sony will be launching with the Vita but Sony would do well not to mess up their launch like Nintendo did.

@Cyber-Robin:

Also note that I buy consoles purely for the games.

I do the same thing though the last console I bought was a slimline PS2.

Cyber-Robin

I think Japan got Layton on launch. The main thing people are saying is that Zelda was gonna be launch but they wanted it to be fairer on the 3rd Party developers. To be fair does anyone think that Street Fighter would have gotten nearly as many sales if Zelda was on the shelves for launch? Actually I could honestly have seen Capcom saying 'Street Fighter didn't sell as well as it should. It's the fans fault so we are gonna cancel some 3DS games due to lack of sales.) And I think really Nintendo rank Nintendogs too highly. Sure it was a system seller for the DS. But then again the DS was what? £100 cheaper then?

Was also a shame that the two actual really decent games (Ghost Recon and Samurai Warriors) were ignored in the hype anyways.

I think Sony NEED to get that Uncharted out for launch. I think it's the only game announced that could possibly shift systems (Especially if it is going up against Super Mario 3DS) dunno how LBP PSP did tho to think it would be a system seller.

MarcelloF

@Green_vs_Red:

PSP costed 200 dollars at launch.

Pretty sure PSP costed 250.

Buuhan1

@Cyborg: I like how you claim the Vita is too expensive when you paid the same for the 3DS which is much more underpowered.

Cyber-Robin

@Buuhan1:

@Cyborg: I like how you claim the Vita is too expensive when you paid the same for the 3DS which is much more underpowered.

No. 3DS was cheaper than that. I paid £200 with a game. And read. I said no way am I paying £200 + for a handheld console after the 3DS and PSP. Although then again thanks to Nintendo's campaign I'm getting 20 extra games in that price. Makes it so much more worth it.

And I couldn't care less about power. 3DS has the games coming that I want. Vita doesn't. Nuff said.

Aaronrules380

So I'm interested in a PS3 right now, but concerned about games. I already have a Wii and a 360, and I'm just not sure if the exclusives will be enough of a reason to buy the system. I'm into a lot of different genres, but I dislike most shooters, sports, realistic racers (I do like stuff like Mario Kart or F zero though) and stuff like that. So if anyone could give me suggestions or advice, it'd be much appreciated

Buuhan1

The Uncharted series is worth getting a PS3 alone. Then you have inFAMOUS, MGS4, God of War, Ratchet & Clank, Yakuza, and then you got some gems such as Folklore.

Aaronrules380

I'm not the type of guy who'd get a system for one or two games. Also of note is that I dislike playing series out of order if the plot of each game is heavily tied to an earlier one, so I'm not sure of metal gear solid 4. Also, I'm still not sure about uncharted, as I am not the biggest fan of most types of shooter gameplay and I find guns to be a boring type of weapons in games most of the time