What an AMAZING chapter. Period. I think that this introduction of Garp as Luffy's Grandfather could get into some more detail about Luffy's parents. As for Garp coming to arrest his grandson, I highly doubt that he will even try. If questioned, he could say something along the lines of "they were too powerful," or "we couldn't find them." The latter seems more likely b/c nobody in Water 7 would say any different and I'm sure that Garp's crew of marines are loyal enough to follow him in whatever he does.
I am soooo excited and looking forward to next week's chapter. We get to see far deeper into Luffy's family line(hopefully) and Coby and Helmeppo's changes – which seem pretty cool by the pics of the bottom of their faces.
Chapter 431 "Fist of Love" Discussion
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And this is why I love one piece. It's the down time that really gets me excited for the next arc.Ussop also seems to be perfectly comfortable sitting on that giants shoulder
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For my fanclub:
@Spi:
Ussop can't go to Elbaf, He's too damn funny. Why would Oda let that go.
Oh yeah, it'd be such a loss it we didn't have him act like Jar Jar Binks for 50 chapters, I don't think I could do without his fans going "He4S AWSUm!!§11" everytime he stumbles and falls over himself.
I'm saying that, what's the point of the these of the mighty Aokiji if so many people within the marines come so close to their power?
And since when would these guys need to come close to their power to get rid of a small crew like the Strawhats? Again, we have an Admiral who destroys the three strongest Strawhats in 10 seconds.
But of course, the only logical conclusion you can make is the fighters ranked just after the Admirals aren't that strong!!! Even if all the VAs we've seen in action until now were ridiculously powerful, be it Saul, Kuzan, Sakazuki or Garp.
No really… I have troubles with your logic.
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"Cliche", perhaps. But I think the word "archetype" might be better suited for this. See, there are only so many archetypes out there in manga-land : the money-hungry babe, the sensitive bad-ass, the insensitive badass, the underdog with lots of ambition but little self-confidence, the idiot savant, the myserious woman with a mysterious past … every single one of them is a "cliche" of shonen manga.
Except that One Piece has always been good about breaking the mould with its characters. Nami is known for being money-hungry but (unless you are brainwashed by filler) she's shown a wider range of personality than a LOT of typical female heroines. And what about Chopper? The cute fuzzy animal-friend, also a doctor/timid/naive/warrior coming out of his shell. Oda is FAMOUS for this weird shit.
Zoro didn't USE to be so two-dimensional. That's my point. It's not like I had issues with him, just how he's been portrayed lately. As someone pointed out, he's been so repressed since middle of Skypiea (maybe Ener fried his "emotion" cells), that he barely reacts to anything anymore.
Ok, let me simplify it like this:
Zoro is a cliche/archetype… So what?
If people enjoy him for what he is, then there's no stigma in that.No problem with people enjoying him. I do have a problem with how his characterization appears to have been reduced to yet another bland stereotype. That's why I liked the sword scene - it at least gives some indication to him grieving inwardly.
And you consider FRANKY an archetype? . . . Are you serious?
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It could even lead to a funny scenario if it happened to be the next island Nami's Log Pose sets to.
Meh, I love this theory! Not only would it be really funny, but it would also reinforce the idea that these people are destined to be with each other – that they can't escape from their nakama so easily.
Zoro is a such a philosopher, makes me wonder what his I.Q. is. You know how Oda stated that shank's first mate (name escapes me) is the smartest man in the manga, I'm willing to bet that Zoro is up there as well.
Actually, I think Oda said in either the "Red" or the "Blue" book (I forget which one) that Zoro wasn't very smart – at least in comparison to Beckman (Shanks' first mate) or to Nami. But there are different kinds of "smartness", and each of the Mugiwara are smart in different ways. Sanji = tactics (he's smart-mouthed too), Robin = languages and history, Usopp = fabrication (all the different definitions of that word), Chopper = medicine, Luffy = intuition. Zoro = sensing potential dangers a few seconds before everyone else does.
I think the philosophical stuff was drilled into Zoro by his sensei during his sword-school training (we saw hints of that in his battle with Mr.1). I get the feeling that Zoro doesn't always understand what he's saying when he quotes the philosophical stuff, but that he says it either (1) because it sounds really cool, or (2) because in the heat of battle, he thinks saying it might help him discover a new technique! But that's just my own theory about it -- I could be wrong. :)
I think the best thing about Zoro is that his three sword style is so inherently silly, but after a while, fans just take it for granted and talk about how he's tooooo serious… but he's still holding a sword in his mouth. XD; And talking around it somehow.
Ha! Yes, I remember when I first saw it, I was like : "Huh? He's going to chop his arm off doing that!" but then after about 20 episodes, it just seemed natural. And whenever I explain Santoryu to someone who doesn't follow "One Piece", I usually have to qualify it with something like: "Now, this seems really odd, but …" And the talking part is extremely silly!
Have you ever tried to hold something as unweildy as a katana in your mouth [oh, hush all you perverts!!!] – after about four seconds, you start drooling _… I feel very sorry for the folks who cosplay Zoro. How much does a typical katana weigh? 10, 15 pounds? And you've got THREE of them to haul around, one of which is supposed to be in your mouth. Maybe we should ask AP's cosplayers if they know of anyone who fractured a jaw or broke a tooth while cosplaying Zoro. I bet there are some horror stories ...
Eep! Off-topic again! Well, goodnight/morning everyone...time for me to get some sleep._
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Coby redux according to Eastblue poster miRAcle:
Looks like Kohza…
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@Spi:
Zoro is a such a philosopher, makes me wonder what his I.Q. is. You know how Oda stated that shank's first mate (name escapes me) is the smartest man in the manga, I'm willing to bet that Zoro is up there as well. If we ignore the sense of direction lol.
Yet at the same time, he thinks cutting off body parts is a good idea. Silly Zoro.
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I do like how at least some attention was brought to the fact that Yubashiri is destroyed. Nobody in the manga seemed to care when it broke in the huge SH vs captains battle. I wonder if he'll find a replacement before they get out of Eneis Lobby.
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nah! the swords gonna have swordbautermann and starttalking to Zoro about how its time is up and that Zoro has given it enuff blood for it to move on bla bla bla…
hahaha
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Zoro didn't USE to be so two-dimensional. That's my point. It's not like I had issues with him, just how he's been portrayed lately. As someone pointed out, he's been so repressed since middle of Skypiea (maybe Ener fried his "emotion" cells), that he barely reacts to anything anymore.
Well, as you say, being fried by Ener, what, three times, probably had a big effect on his confidence if not on his emotions! and he's certainly started drinking more now that he's back in Grand Line. And I'm assuming that now that they're fighting much stronger enemies, he's feeling less confident about his ability to defeat those enemies (Sanji teased him about that back in Alabasta : "you're feeling your weakness!"). And that combined with everything else that's going on – the broken sword, the broken ship, etc would be enough to drive anyone (but especially someone who was already a bit repressed to begin with) back into his "shell" ... But give him time -- maybe something funny will happen soon and that will draw the silly side of Zoro's personality out again.
That's why I liked the sword scene - it at least gives some indication to him grieving inwardly
And Taz, I agree with you completely on this point. I was worried that Zoro was just going to brush off the incident because he was so pre-occupied with escaping from the Marines. So it's good to see that it did affect him after all : that Yubashiri wasn't just a throw-away piece of junk to him. (And if you look at the scans of this chapter, you'll see that even after that sword scene that we both like – there's a picture where Zoro is running back to tell everyone about the Marines, and if you look at the scabbords, you'll see he's got Yubashiri with him! ... He STILL can't let go of that sword, even though he can't use it; even though he had enough time to say "goodbye" to it and to bury it somewhere ; even though he has a stolen Marine sword that could have replaced it permanently. Some very strong feeling inside him is keeping him from letting go of that sword -- some very strong emotion.
And I guess that's the best example I can give you of what I mean when I say that Zoro's emotions may seem absent, but if you look closely, you'll discover that they aren't.
We've all had moments in our lives when we've been hurting so much that we wish we could turn our emotions off with the press of a lightswitch. I think that's what's happening here. Zoro's flipped that lightswitch to the "off" position, but somehow, a few of his circuits are still connecting.
(ok, now it's way past my bedtime. Goodnight/morning, everyone!)
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after this whole mushi-mushi family reunion is over…..and done with..... and their new ship is done...... there either is going to be an arc for Zoro to go find a blacksmith good enough to repair his broken katana.......
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while they are waiting for the new ship to be completed, Zoro goes on a mini-quest in W7 to find a blacksmith that can fix his sword.... or somethingg like that..... -
Hmm, perfect. Zoro is lost now. Guess where he'll end up: At a swordsmith!
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Hmm, perfect. Zoro is lost now. Guess where he'll end up: At a swordsmith!
yeah…that's one way to go about it!
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It looks like this will be the chance for Franky to show his ship building skills to Galleyla and all of Water Seven. I remember it said somewhere in the beginning of the arc, when they were talking about Iceburg, that the skill of a shipwright was all that mattered to the people of Water Seven or something like that.
As for Garp he may have just been like Smoker back in the days in more ways than one. He could have set out from East Blue on his own reconnaissance after Roger left from his town. Possibly also being like Smoker in that he wasn't to caring about rank or orders. May even have had the ability to surpass some of those Vice Admirals, but not the disposition.
With that it could also be true that Kuzan and the like were once the suboordinates of Garp. That could be another reason why those Marines from the base where Coby and Helmeppo stayed were so impressed with their appointment under Garp. It just might be that his suboordinates go on to make impressive names for themselves.
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since Franky will be building the new ship, I am beginning to wonder what is the new ship going to look like!
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v,.2 has tran chapter up
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one great plot chapter franky joining seems more likey now -
v,.2 has tran chapter up
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one great plot chapter franky joining seems more likey nownot really…. he is giving the impression that he will be pulling a Tom.....
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pull a Tom?build a ship and later executed by marine?
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not really…. he is giving the impression that he will be pulling a Tom.....
Which is why he should go. Yes, he will build the ship for Luffy as Tom did for Roger. But unlike Tom, Franky pissed off the World Government before building the Pirate King's vessel. If he stays he's screwed. But not only him, his entire family. And when he gets caught it will be Tom part II only with about 50 Cutty Flams and 0 Iceburgs. Then they'll all be screwed.
Tom's ambitions seem to live on through both Iceburg and Franky. Iceburg like Tom wants to create a better Water 7 and Franky just wants to make a kick ass ship. Franky may want to stay, but then again he may just want to prevent his family from feeling the anguish he felt when Tom got taken away. What would be better for them: Having Franky taken away from them or Franky leaving on his own free will?
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It is possible that with Luffy being a pirate, he and Ace must've had some inspiration for piracy among their family. So it would seem logical to assume they got it from their grandfather/father or some relative. And as with all of real life's situations, anyone in high power with ANY relations to criminals aren't trusted.
That could be the reason that despite his actions (such as cornering the Pirate King) the Government would not put him in a position that would allow him to influence too much, yet give him a respectable job. -
Coby redux according to Eastblue poster miRAcle:
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/566/pict0018xu8fu8.jpg
Looks like Kohza…
i got a feeling the upper face of coby is gonna be hilarious.like the pegasus in skypiea.thats more odalike than a predictable normal face.does look like kohza though,though i think kohza has a more cool/badass look than him in this picture
786110 nice sig.u should perma-stick it to gearsecond's forehead
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i got a feeling the upper face of coby is gonna be hilarious.like the pegasus in skypiea.thats more odalike than a predictable normal face.does look like kohza though,though i think kohza has a more cool/badass look than him in this picture
I don't see how this could be possible as the ridiculous parts of Coby's face were his nose and his pudgy chin, and both are apparently gone.
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The difference between the pegasus /alvida/Tbone thing is that Coby is not an unknown character , either he still has his stupid face , either he is going to look totally different ( in a good way , cause you know he already has a dorky face.. ).
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When you boil down each character in any story, they're all going to fall under a 'cliche archetype' of some kind.
Which is why you don't do that shit.
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not really…. he is giving the impression that he will be pulling a Tom.....
I don't see how, how would Franky "pull a Tom" and just stay on Water 7? The SHs needed a shipwright after all, and Paulie said in this chapter that they'll spend a month fixing Water 7.
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Dang Coby and Helmeppo realy grew.
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Luffy's grandpa? God, that was unexpected. I thought we wouldn't see him until near the end of the manga.
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I don't see how, how would Franky "pull a Tom" and just stay on Water 7? The SHs needed a shipwright after all, and Paulie said in this chapter that they'll spend a month fixing Water 7.
for what they need a shipwright now ? the new ship seems to be pretty
indestructible with that "adam" wood. it all really looks like that franky
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Well, it won't be Paulie or Iceburg, b/c they're gonna be busy in W7 for a while….
...I think Franky, or Zambai will join up
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Does Luffy look a little afraid in that last page to anyone but me?
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Does Luffy look a little afraid in that last page to anyone but me?
he was already afraid when Kuzan mention it to Luffy…..... imagine now said person appears infront of him......
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uhm, Zambai isn't a shipwrighters… and isn't a huge fighter!!
anyway...
chapters 430 and 431 are really really amazing!!
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the only two in contention is Franky and Paulie….... with Franky as good as joined..... the only thing now is for Oda to confirm it......... which leaves Paulie with an outside chance.....
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the only two in contention is Franky and Paulie….... with Franky as good as joined..... the only thing now is for Oda to confirm it......... which leaves Paulie with an outside chance.....
But Paulie is gonna be preoccupied with fixing W7 for the next month at least, and Franky has nothing to do after he finishes the Dream Ship
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for what they need a shipwright now ? the new ship seems to be pretty
indestructible with that "adam" wood. it all really looks like that franky
is not becoming one of the Mugiwara Pirates.Just the Kheel…Kneel (sp) will be made of Adam--which is good cause that's why Merry died. The rest, I imagine, will be vulnerable. Hell, I doubt that Adam wood is invinicble, otherwise they couldn't build anything with it.
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im gona say this again….PAULIE...... Paulie still has a chance to join the straw hats! for example:
Ice-Ossan: Paulie, I have a special mission for you.
Paulie: What is it Iceburg-san?
Ice-Ossan: Come to my office.
Paulie walks in mood music plays
Iceburg, staring outside his window
Paulie: What is it?
Ice-Ossan: Go with the straw hats
Paulie: But why?! I have to help rebuild the city!
Ice-Ossan: Do you want to become the greatest shipwright?! iceburg shouts
Paulie: ............yes......
Ice-Ossan: Then go with the straw hats, besides, the straw hats will be needing a professional shipwright with that brand new ship of theirs.
Paulie: What about you?! I can' leave you guys alone!
Ice-Ossan: Don't worry, all of Tom's workers are back.
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Just read it. Wow. Oda finished an incredible arc, and starts off the next one with a bang!
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The difference between the pegasus /alvida/Tbone thing is that Coby is not an unknown character , either he still has his stupid face , either he is going to look totally different ( in a good way , cause you know he already has a dorky face.. ).
I would love it if Coby still kept those dorky-as-hell glasses, personally.
I seem to be having enormously good luck lately with my money… maybe I will win that $50 bet on Paulie after all. O_o; Not that I wouldn't like Franky at this point, but it's up in the air. I always knew that Franky would make the ship and that his dream would BE to make the best ship ever -- just that I didn't know if he would actually be like, I'll go along too. Ehhh dunno...
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I would love it if Coby still kept those dorky-as-hell glasses, personally.
I seem to be having enormously good luck lately with my money… maybe I will win that $50 bet on Paulie after all. O_o; Not that I wouldn't like Franky at this point, but it's up in the air. I always knew that Franky would make the ship and that his dream would BE to make the best ship ever -- just that I didn't know if he would actually be like, I'll go along too. Ehhh dunno...
wohoo! Im glad that I'm not the only one who thinks Paulie is gona join! You made a bet Carly?! woah!
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wohoo! Im glad that I'm not the only one who thinks Paulie is gona join! You made a bet Carly?! woah!
I want Paulie to join too…... but overwhelming odds against him at this moment.....
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Just the Kheel…Kneel (sp) will be made of Adam--which is good cause that's why Merry died. The rest, I imagine, will be vulnerable. Hell, I doubt that Adam wood is invinicble, otherwise they couldn't build anything with it.
I believe the entire ship is going to be made of the Treasure tree Adam wood not just the kheel. The translation didn't say anything about the kheel.
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I wonder if luffy's other grandpa will be just as an important figure.
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Yeah, I bet on Garp becoming extremely important to the story, he is a D afterall. I also kinda have this feeling Garp will die (hope I'm wrong).
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I don't think Garp will die, that would be horribly morbid and unlike Oda.
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HOLD IT! When did Garp become a D? as far as I'm concerned that's till speculation. And I don't remember Aokiji saying anything about dealing with Luffy's Grandpa. What he said was “You're a lot like your grandfather Luffy, is it simple minded…or absent minded?”
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I don't think Garp will die, that would be horribly morbid and unlike Oda.
That's part of the reason I think it may happen. The fact that u don't expect Oda to do something like that is exactly why I think he will (but I've been wrong before). Expect the unexpected
Oh yeah, I may have jumped the gun assuming that Garp is a D. My bad
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so um… anyone think Kokoro and friends might still join? Franky seems like he doesnt want to go. And its not giving me the vibe Sanji gave me where he wanted to go but really couldnt. Franky seems like he'll be happy following in Tom's footsteps.
Oda's too unpredictable though... So I dont think anyone can predict who will join. Hell, Helmeppo and Cobi could join for all we know.
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That's part of the reason I think it may happen. The fact that u don't expect Oda to do something like that is exactly why I think he will (but I've been wrong before). Expect the unexpected
If you expect the unexpected, then the once unexpected is now expected. Everything is now expected.
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@Octogon:
If you expect the unexpected, then the once unexpected is now expected. Everything is now expected.
You hit me with a paradox, darn you Kakarot! explodes
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not really…. he is giving the impression that he will be pulling a Tom.....
Don't you think it was rather convenient that Luffy was asleep?
Now that Luffy is up, it's no way he will leave without convincing Franky to join.